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Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:40 pm**

naki wrote:It's insane, though at least in Welles' case the Academy tended to only reward box office successes in his day and even Citizen Kane bombed.

William Randolph Hearst (whose life was being parodied in Citizen Kane) used his media empire to make things "difficult" for Citizen Kane.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_R ... tizen_Kane

Citizen Kane, released on May 1, 1941, is loosely based on Hearst's life.[63] Welles and his collaborator, screenwriter Herman J. Mankiewicz, created Kane as a composite character of multiple men, among them Harold McCormick, Samuel Insull and Howard Hughes. Hearst, enraged at the idea of Citizen Kane being a thinly disguised and very unflattering portrait of himself, used his massive influence and resources in an unsuccessful attempt to prevent the film from being released—all without his ever even having seen it. Welles and the studio RKO Pictures resisted the pressure, but Hearst and his Hollywood friends ultimately succeeded in pressuring theater chains to limit showings of Citizen Kane,[64] resulting in only moderate box-office numbers and seriously impairing Welles' future career prospects.

The result of all his efforts was that it was ignored by the Oscars

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:53 pm**

sockwithaticket wrote:
I was a history student and teacher, so maybe this stuff gets my goat in a way that doesn't bother everyone else, but taking liberties with historical events and period detail (i.e. non-white people in early to mid tudor England who weren't a statistically negligible minority in a few ports) makes films almost unwatchable when they're not explicitly disclaimed.

Every such film should carry a few frames of a big old warning sign just after the certification and before the credits/pre-credit scenes stating that the film while largely historically accurate in spirit is not in fact and should not be considered as such (I'd also like the credits to include a bibliography for further reading so people can educate themselves, but I may be alone in that...).

Similarly, I find it difficult to enjoy biopics or films about more recent events too as I'm just not sure how much of it can be trusted and if they're not faithfully re-telling, why not make the same film but change all the character names from those of real people and use the good old 'inspired by real events' line?

Saw it last night and I have to agree with Socky.

What the fúck is going on with the world

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:20 pm**

Jay Cee Gee wrote:Look, the Oscars have always been shite.

Dances With Wolves won Best Picture and Best Directing over Goodfellas.

I like Dances with Wolves

But agree Goodfellers is a better film.

LA Confidential losing to Titanic was a WTF moment as well.

Posted: **Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:09 pm**

danny_fitz wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:Look, the Oscars have always been shite.

Dances With Wolves won Best Picture and Best Directing over Goodfellas.
I like Dances with Wolves

But agree Goodfellers is a better film.

LA Confidential losing to Titanic was a WTF moment as well.

I think the gap between Saving Private Ryan and the winner Shakespeare in Love was the biggest error of the 90s.

Posted: **Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:15 am**

EverReady wrote:Watching Aliens Special Edition. The bit with Ripleys daughter at the start shouldn't have been cut from the original. Frames the whole newt thing

I also enjoy the bits showing the colonists finding the ship full of eggs etc. Fills out the story.

Posted: **Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:16 pm**

Nolanator wrote:
EverReady wrote:Watching Aliens Special Edition. The bit with Ripleys daughter at the start shouldn't have been cut from the original. Frames the whole newt thing
I also enjoy the bits showing the colonists finding the ship full of eggs etc. Fills out the story.

I think those cuts are perfect. The extended version runs at two and a half hours or more. That's arse-numbing. The sentry guns and the colonist stuff aren't missed and eliminate good long chunks of film. The daughter cut is odd because it's not much of a time saver but there's enough in the performance for the audience to infer that there's some maternal business going on there. I think it's nice that it wasn't spelled out.

Posted: **Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:16 pm**

I suppose that the sentry guns are supposed to add tension, as you can't actually see the xenomorphs getting closer, but the ammo is running out.

Probably unnecessary, there's already been plenty of tension in the film by that point that's already moved on to the next, action heavy bit.

Posted: **Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:50 pm**

Jay Cee Gee wrote:Look, the Oscars have always been shite.

Dances With Wolves won Best Picture and Best Directing over Goodfellas.

Both excellent. Huge goodfellas fan, but no problem about winner. I'm sure votes were close

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:06 am**

Nolanator wrote:I suppose that the sentry guns are supposed to add tension, as you can't actually see the xenomorphs getting closer, but the ammo is running out.

Probably unnecessary, there's already been plenty of tension in the film by that point that's already moved on to the next, action heavy bit.

To me the sentry bit draws from the same well as the motion sensor bit but runs less effectively because of all the shooting and loudness.

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:57 am**

my 2 cents wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:Look, the Oscars have always been shite.

Dances With Wolves won Best Picture and Best Directing over Goodfellas.
Both excellent. Huge goodfellas fan, but no problem about winner. I'm sure votes were close

That's why I added the Shakespeare in Love example. Dances with Wolves is a genuinely good film, although I think it's cool to pretend otherwise. Better than Goodfellas, probably not, but a real contender.

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:03 am**

I disagree about Dances With Wolves, I think its hokey shit, but that's another reason why the Oscars (and Emmys, Grammys etc) are stupid. Films are intrinsically subjective and comparing a bunch of different films & acting performances is simply apples and oranges.

Except for when Blade Runner 2049 won visual effects over War for Planet of the Apes, that was just BULLSHIT.

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:13 am**

Jay Cee Gee wrote:I disagree about Dances With Wolves, I think its hokey shit, but that's another reason why the Oscars (and Emmys, Grammys etc) are stupid. Films are intrinsically subjective and comparing a bunch of different films & acting performances is simply apples and oranges.

Except for when Blade Runner 2049 won visual effects over War for Planet of the Apes, that was just BULLSHIT.

Really

- stupid (but who cares about technical awards anyway, Best Pic's where it's at

).

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:22 am**

UncleFB wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:I disagree about Dances With Wolves, I think its hokey shit, but that's another reason why the Oscars (and Emmys, Grammys etc) are stupid. Films are intrinsically subjective and comparing a bunch of different films & acting performances is simply apples and oranges.

Except for when Blade Runner 2049 won visual effects over War for Planet of the Apes, that was just BULLSHIT.
Really - stupid (but who cares about technical awards anyway, Best Pic's where it's at ).

The nerds like JCG who slave away on them, that's who.

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:23 am**

mr bungle wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:I disagree about Dances With Wolves, I think its hokey shit, but that's another reason why the Oscars (and Emmys, Grammys etc) are stupid. Films are intrinsically subjective and comparing a bunch of different films & acting performances is simply apples and oranges.

Except for when Blade Runner 2049 won visual effects over War for Planet of the Apes, that was just BULLSHIT.
Really - stupid (but who cares about technical awards anyway, Best Pic's where it's at ).
The nerds like JCG who slave away on them, that's who.

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:48 am**

Jay Cee Gee wrote:
mr bungle wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:I disagree about Dances With Wolves, I think its hokey shit, but that's another reason why the Oscars (and Emmys, Grammys etc) are stupid. Films are intrinsically subjective and comparing a bunch of different films & acting performances is simply apples and oranges.

Except for when Blade Runner 2049 won visual effects over War for Planet of the Apes, that was just BULLSHIT.
Really - stupid (but who cares about technical awards anyway, Best Pic's where it's at ).
The nerds like JCG who slave away on them, that's who.

Ain't nobody got time to wait around for the credits to see who did all that boring stuff ... just kidding, I usually do.

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:00 am**

UncleFB wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
mr bungle wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:I disagree about Dances With Wolves, I think its hokey shit, but that's another reason why the Oscars (and Emmys, Grammys etc) are stupid. Films are intrinsically subjective and comparing a bunch of different films & acting performances is simply apples and oranges.

Except for when Blade Runner 2049 won visual effects over War for Planet of the Apes, that was just BULLSHIT.
Really - stupid (but who cares about technical awards anyway, Best Pic's where it's at ).
The nerds like JCG who slave away on them, that's who.

Ain't nobody got time to wait around for the credits to see who did all that boring stuff ... just kidding, I usually do.

I barely stick around myself. Except the first time I was in some credits I waited ages and the guy who was there to clean up for the next session looked really pissed off at me.

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:23 am**

Jay Cee Gee wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
mr bungle wrote:
UncleFB wrote: Really - stupid (but who cares about technical awards anyway, Best Pic's where it's at ).
The nerds like JCG who slave away on them, that's who.

Ain't nobody got time to wait around for the credits to see who did all that boring stuff ... just kidding, I usually do.
I barely stick around myself. Except the first time I was in some credits I waited ages and the guy who was there to clean up for the next session looked really pissed off at me.

You’re not hard to decipher

My mate from school, A.W. is a lead production engineer.

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:37 am**

alliswell wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
EverReady wrote:Watching Aliens Special Edition. The bit with Ripleys daughter at the start shouldn't have been cut from the original. Frames the whole newt thing
I also enjoy the bits showing the colonists finding the ship full of eggs etc. Fills out the story.
I think those cuts are perfect. The extended version runs at two and a half hours or more. That's arse-numbing. The sentry guns and the colonist stuff aren't missed and eliminate good long chunks of film. The daughter cut is odd because it's not much of a time saver but there's enough in the performance for the audience to infer that there's some maternal business going on there. I think it's nice that it wasn't spelled out.

Ripley's Daughter was really the only cut that took something from the film.

The findings of the Alien ship possibly, but not actually necessary.
The bit in the Colony - where the Conoly Commander turns out to be Captain Hollister from Red Dwarf - I laughed out loud.
Hudson's gung-ho bit as the drop ship is flying is just plain daft.
And I hated the Sentry Machine Guns - turned the Aliens into mindless cannon fodder.

In general, what you really learn from a "Director's Cut" is what a good job the Editor did in the first place!

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:08 am**

alliswell wrote:
Nolanator wrote:I suppose that the sentry guns are supposed to add tension, as you can't actually see the xenomorphs getting closer, but the ammo is running out.

Probably unnecessary, there's already been plenty of tension in the film by that point that's already moved on to the next, action heavy bit.
To me the sentry bit draws from the same well as the motion sensor bit but runs less effectively because of all the shooting and loudness.

The motion sensor bit is also near the start. It builds tension before you know what exactly has taken place and sets up the marines getting massacred quite well. Build the tension before all the noise and killing.
The sentry guns tries to go back to that halfway through the film. I suppose it's to add more to the whole getting through the night segment of the film, but it doesn't quite work, as you say.

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:35 pm**

Jay Cee Gee wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
mr bungle wrote:
UncleFB wrote: Really - stupid (but who cares about technical awards anyway, Best Pic's where it's at ).
The nerds like JCG who slave away on them, that's who.

Ain't nobody got time to wait around for the credits to see who did all that boring stuff ... just kidding, I usually do.
I barely stick around myself. Except the first time I was in some credits I waited ages and the guy who was there to clean up for the next session looked really pissed off at me.

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:40 pm**

The credits song for the Lego Movie 2 was good.

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:46 pm**

'Dogman' (2018) - a really good gritty crime / revenge drama from Italy. Anyone who likes the TV Show Gomorra might get on with this. 7.3/10

'Pin Cushion' (2018) - a quaint British mother - daughter relationship drama that was an average 6 out of 10, until the hard hitting last 15 minutes bumped it up to a 7.1/10.

'Girl' (2019) - Belgian made film about a 15 transgender girl. Some very uncomfortable moments. middle section doesn't really click but feels liek an important film. 6.8/10

'Can you ever forgive me?' (2018) - I bloody loved this. Fabulous performance by Melissa McCarthy. Never seen her in anything before. Is she normally this good? The movie suffers from a bit too much comic relief from Richard E Grant, but it was a very nice surprise. 7.8/10

'If Beale Street Could Talk' (2018) - Really lovely film. Absolutely superb all round cast and a mesmerising score. 7.8/10

'Free Solo' (2018) - Gripping. In more ways than one. Made my palms sweat and my toes tingle.

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:21 pm**

So I got around to watching The Master finally.
Not sure what to make of it, I feel like I need to rewatch it but I don't know if I feel like I'm up to it.

The cinematography & Joaquin Phoenix's amazing performance carried me through a lot of it.
Day Lewis must've been something in Lincoln that year to get the Oscar over him.

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:07 pm**

Kid A wrote:
'Free Solo' (2018) - Gripping. In more ways than one. Made my palms sweat and my toes tingle.

No x/10 score for this? I feel cheated.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:54 pm**

Saw Captain Marvel there.
Typical weightless fights, pew pew, no stakes dreck from Marvel.
It's sad that interesting blockbuster action movies have been killed off by this stuff.

Brie Larson is fun too look at though.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:06 pm**

'Can you ever forgive me?' (2018) - I bloody loved this. Fabulous performance by Melissa McCarthy. Never seen her in anything before. Is she normally this good? The movie suffers from a bit too much comic relief from Richard E Grant, but it was a very nice surprise. 7.8/10

I think she’s pretty funny. Her name blew up after Bridesmaids and of course she ended up in some bad high-budget stuff (like Zach Galifinakis after the Hangover) but similarly she makes the most out of the material. Watched St Vincent a few weeks ago, another good one with her.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:41 pm**

EverReady wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
Kid A wrote:
'Free Solo' (2018) - Gripping. In more ways than one. Made my palms sweat and my toes tingle.
No x/10 score for this? I feel cheated.
As the poster who had a thread on Honnold years ago that the mods deleted I am clearly the bored expert. The movie is good and I have watched a lot of stuff on Honnold. Have to say didn't realise how really autisticy he is. Thought he was a bit twitchy not pre rainman. Not sure how I didn't pick up on it before but the others were climbing videos so did less insight stuff. I would give it 8/10 as it could have done with a bit more climbing and less of his missus. I would imagine others may not agree.

I think they got the balance right between climbing and the human drama of it.
He didn't quite strike me as on the spectrum or anything, but I'm no expert.
He just seems emotionally stunted and for all his bluntness he's perfectly self aware/even a little wry about how he is.

The Dawn Wall (as well as Meru which has been mentioned a good bit) is a great climbing movie.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:11 pm**

Floppykid wrote:
Kid A wrote:
'Free Solo' (2018) - Gripping. In more ways than one. Made my palms sweat and my toes tingle.
No x/10 score for this? I feel cheated.

8.5/10

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:12 pm**

'Shoplifters' (2018). Japanese family drama from the master Koreeda.

9.5/10 An absolutely beautiful film.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:24 pm**

EverReady wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
EverReady wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
Kid A wrote:
'Free Solo' (2018) - Gripping. In more ways than one. Made my palms sweat and my toes tingle.
No x/10 score for this? I feel cheated.
As the poster who had a thread on Honnold years ago that the mods deleted I am clearly the bored expert. The movie is good and I have watched a lot of stuff on Honnold. Have to say didn't realise how really autisticy he is. Thought he was a bit twitchy not pre rainman. Not sure how I didn't pick up on it before but the others were climbing videos so did less insight stuff. I would give it 8/10 as it could have done with a bit more climbing and less of his missus. I would imagine others may not agree.
I think they got the balance right between climbing and the human drama of it.
He didn't quite strike me as on the spectrum or anything, but I'm no expert.
He just seems emotionally stunted and for all his bluntness he's perfectly self aware/even a little wry about how he is.

The Dawn Wall (as well as Meru which has been mentioned a good bit) is a great climbing movie.
These are decent lists

https://www.redbull.com/us-en/best-climbing-movies
https://gripped.com/profiles/25-must-wa ... ng-movies/

The reel rock series is great

Cheers, I'll definitely check them out, I love Alpine climbing in particular.
It's always mental seeing these guys sleep in those hanging cots/tents over night like it's no biggie.

Posted: **Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:35 am**

Floppykid wrote:Saw Captain Marvel there.
Typical weightless fights, pew pew, no stakes dreck from Marvel.
It's sad that interesting blockbuster action movies have been killed off by this stuff.

Brie Larson is fun too look at though.

I'm too lazy to go back through the thread but I'm pretty sure you've said similar comments after every Superhero film, so the question must be asked - why on earth do you keep going to see them? Masochism?

Also, what are the "interesting blockbuster" types that have been killed by this stuff?

But agree, Brie Larson is fun to look at.

Posted: **Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:50 am**

The Dawn Wall is an excellent movie. All that work, all that effort. Only to hold the title for two years.

Adam Ondra crushed it by topping out the route after just a few weeks' work during his first trip to Yosemite. He crossed pitch 15 in two attempts.

Posted: **Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:09 am**

Not from behind she isn’t Uncle Fb, No arse...

Posted: **Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:34 am**

maxbox wrote:Not from behind she isn’t Uncle Fb, No arse...

Yawn. Her front more than makes up for it.

Posted: **Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:46 am**

yeah nice face but her physique doesn’t suit the role she is playing ( much like Clarke in terminator genesis) Someone please remind Marvel that If a Power Girl movie is in the the works, she needs to more proportionately representative of the source material

I really hope Thanos doesn’t get rekt by her, he probably will tho

Posted: **Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:14 am**

maxbox wrote: yeah nice face but her physique doesn’t suit the role she is playing ( much like Clarke in terminator genesis) Someone please remind Marvel that If a Power Girl movie is in the the works, she needs to more proportionately representative of the source material

I really hope Thanos doesn’t get rekt by her, he probably will tho

I was also thinking of south of the face too.

What physique do you want? An impossibly small waist like in the comics?

Posted: **Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:17 pm**

Went to the cinema again and finally saw Into the Spiderverse. (One of two movies being played really).
Thought it was excellent actually. Really dynamic and unique animation, a clear directorial mark on the film and actual pathos and stakes.
The constant wise cracking of every character got a small bit tedious, but it was far less irritating than other super hero movies.
It sagged a little at the end, but yeah, really good animated movie.
I know a little bit of Miles Morales prior to this and wasn't a fan of the idea, but it won me over on his character.

Much better than the homogenised slop Marvel churn out the rest of the time.

Posted: **Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:38 pm**

Kid A wrote:'Can you ever forgive me?' (2018) - I bloody loved this. Fabulous performance by Melissa McCarthy. Never seen her in anything before. Is she normally this good? The movie suffers from a bit too much comic relief from Richard E Grant, but it was a very nice surprise. 7.8/10

'If Beale Street Could Talk' (2018) - Really lovely film. Absolutely superb all round cast and a mesmerising score. 7.8/10

Saw those two, really enjoyed them both. People always seem to miss that McCarthy has good dramatic acting ability.

maxbox wrote: yeah nice face but her physique doesn’t suit the role she is playing ( much like Clarke in terminator genesis) Someone please remind Marvel that If a Power Girl movie is in the the works, she needs to more proportionately representative of the source material

I really hope Thanos doesn’t get rekt by her, he probably will tho

Power Girl is DC. Which reminds me, Shazam looks fun.

Posted: **Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:53 pm**

Disney rehire James Gunn for Guardians of the Galaxy 3.

Posted: **Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:53 pm**

maverickmak wrote:Disney rehire James Gunn for Guardians of the Galaxy 3.

Why was he even sacked again?

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