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Ferrari attempting to pile the pressure on Liberty by bring some of their other brands into F1 as title sponsors.

Alfa already announced for Sauber, Haas likely to be tied up with Maserati, all deals expire with the current engine format


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Ferrari attempting to pile the pressure on Liberty by bring some of their other brands into F1 as title sponsors.

Alfa already announced for Sauber, Haas likely to be tied up with Maserati, all deals expire with the current engine format


Thanks for that. It's pretty clear we are in for a period of hardball / brinksmanship - just hope it doesn't get silly.

BTW, my mate has got a rather nice Maserati- it's gorgeous 8) (#globby.etc.)


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So will Lewis be ok with the boy wearing earrings? :roll:


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Who knows. Have you been thinking about that for a week?


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Who knows. Have you been thinking about that for a week?


Na, I was waiting for him to finish his hissy fit deletion of all his instagram and Twitter posts.


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Well done you


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[quote="Insane_Homer"][quote="Mick Mannock"]Who knows. Have you been thinking about that for a week?[/quote]

Na, I was waiting for him to finish his hissy fit deletion of all his instagram and Twitter posts.[/quote]
Or just hoping someone less obsessed would start the subject?

But no one did.


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Interesting, I'm sure this will stir up some mature debate...

https://newatlas.com/computer-modelled- ... ime/43147/

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A new academic research paper (entitled Formula for success: Multilevel modelling of Formula One Driver and Constructor performance, 1950–2014) published by a team from the Sheffield Methods Institute at the University of Sheffield in the UK offers some remarkable insights into the world of Formula One through advanced mathematical modeling.

The Sheffield team set out to answer three inter-related questions:

1. What percentage of car-driver performance is contributed by the driver and what percentage is contributed by the car/team?

2. How do the percentages in #1 vary for different types of circuits and weather?

3. Who are best individual drivers of all time, in order of the difference they made to performance?

The research has produced a top 50 best drivers list which, unlike all previous such lists, is not based solely on opinions or results statistics. In simple terms, advanced modeling has been used to assess the relative performance of the individual cars and teams each year, then taken that into account in assessing each driver's performance over his F1 career. The old adage that "first you beat your teammate" has never been truer.


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Taken from the article...

"We didn't look at the data before 1979, for various reasons, but mainly that it becomes harder to define teams the further you go back. The driver effect has declined over time since at least 1980, going from about 30 percent driver in the early 1980s to about 10 percent driver today."


P.S. the top 5 for those who can't be arsed to open the link...

1 - Fangio
2 - Prost
3 - Schamacher
4 - Jim Clark
5 - Senna


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Some will take umbridge with Prost over Senna.

(Aren't Fangio and Clark pre-1979?)

It'll never happen for many reasons, but you'd love to see in theory say the Mercedes and Sauber driving crews switch cars. Thought one of the most interesting driver moves since I've watched F1 was when Damon Hill went from being World Champion with Williams to driving for TWR Arrows the next year. It's also why there's something lost with this modern generation of drivers that almost none of them drive anything besides an F1 car when they're in the series.

11. Christian Fittipaldi
12. Lewis Hamilton

Jack Brabham is ranked pretty low for a 3-time champ.


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Some will take umbridge with Prost over Senna.

(Aren't Fangio and Clark pre-1979?)

It'll never happen for many reasons, but you'd love to see in theory say the Mercedes and Sauber driving crews switch cars. Thought one of the most interesting driver moves since I've watched F1 was when Damon Hill went from being World Champion with Williams to driving for TWR Arrows the next year. It's also why there's something lost with this modern generation of drivers that almost none of them drive anything besides an F1 car when they're in the series.

11. Christian Fittipaldi
12. Lewis Hamilton

Jack Brabham is ranked pretty low for a 3-time champ.

Hamilton that high?


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Martin Brundle 30th, above Kimi Raikonnen ?
Elio de Anglis above Stirling Moss ?
Marc Surer 17th above Keke Rosberg 44th, and they drove in the exact same period ?
Christian Fittipaldi 11th despite having zeros for any of the stats they have like wins or fastest laps ?
No Niki Lauda ?

sorry to say, but that list, and maths, is pretty much entirely bollocks imho


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it has been commonly acknowledged within the management of race teams for many years that the driver counts for very little. The reason race teams want the best drivers is that they are marginally better than very good drivers, but neither will win unless they have the right car underneath them. McLaren's hard-headed team principal of the 1970s was American lawyer Teddy Mayer, who famously said at that time: "Drivers are just interchangeable light bulbs – you plug them in and they do the job."


Interesting to see Alonso and Vettel at 6 and 10, respectively.


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it has been commonly acknowledged within the management of race teams for many years that the driver counts for very little. The reason race teams want the best drivers is that they are marginally better than very good drivers, but neither will win unless they have the right car underneath them. McLaren's hard-headed team principal of the 1970s was American lawyer Teddy Mayer, who famously said at that time: "Drivers are just interchangeable light bulbs – you plug them in and they do the job."


Interesting to see Alonso and Vettel at 6 and 10, respectively.


We've gone from them being interchangeable light bulbs in the '70s to them providing the funding to run the whole team in almost all cases of European racing, counting the junior formulas.

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Martin Brundle 30th, above Kimi Raikonnen ?
Elio de Anglis above Stirling Moss ?
Marc Surer 17th above Keke Rosberg 44th, and they drove in the exact same period ?
Christian Fittipaldi 11th despite having zeros for any of the stats they have like wins or fastest laps ?
No Niki Lauda ?

sorry to say, but that list, and maths, is pretty much entirely bollocks imho


Fittipaldi drove for Minardi and Footwork. How was he ever going to get wins or fastest laps?

Fittipaldi was the one that jumped out most to me, because he had a few years and then moved Stateside to CART, and he's right above Hamilton. He had 2 years with Minardi and 1 year with Footwork. His '92 season with Minardi is a lot of nothing, but '93 he had a great season for that team with a ton of top 10s, but a lot of those were 7ths, 8ths, and 9ths, which back then scored you zero points. In '94, he had two 4ths for Footworks and a bunch of 8ths.

Should also be mentioned how different we look at the drivers now compared to drivers past due to how the scoring system has been changed to go down to 10th. Something I realized years ago is Mark Webber under the old 10-6-4-3-2-1 scoring system would've been looked at as a nothing driver for a very long time. Here's his points for the first 7 years of his career under 10-6-4-3-2-1:

2002 - 2 points (a 5th)
2003 - 3 points (3 6ths)
2004 - 1 point (a 6th)
2005 - 16 points (a 3rd, 2 4ths, 2 5ths, 2 6ths)
2006 - 2 points (2 6ths)
2007 - 4 points (a 3rd)
2008 - 6 points (a 4th, a 5th, a 6th)


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It was also an article from 2015/2016.

I’d imagine has moved up a fair bit since that period and Vettel/Alonso down a tad.


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Flyin Ryan wrote:
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it has been commonly acknowledged within the management of race teams for many years that the driver counts for very little. The reason race teams want the best drivers is that they are marginally better than very good drivers, but neither will win unless they have the right car underneath them. McLaren's hard-headed team principal of the 1970s was American lawyer Teddy Mayer, who famously said at that time: "Drivers are just interchangeable light bulbs – you plug them in and they do the job."


Interesting to see Alonso and Vettel at 6 and 10, respectively.


We've gone from them being interchangeable light bulbs in the '70s to them providing the funding to run the whole team in almost all cases of European racing, counting the junior formulas.

backrow wrote:
Martin Brundle 30th, above Kimi Raikonnen ?
Elio de Anglis above Stirling Moss ?
Marc Surer 17th above Keke Rosberg 44th, and they drove in the exact same period ?
Christian Fittipaldi 11th despite having zeros for any of the stats they have like wins or fastest laps ?
No Niki Lauda ?

sorry to say, but that list, and maths, is pretty much entirely bollocks imho


Fittipaldi drove for Minardi and Footwork. How was he ever going to get wins or fastest laps?

Fittipaldi was the one that jumped out most to me, because he had a few years and then moved Stateside to CART, and he's right above Hamilton. He had 2 years with Minardi and 1 year with Footwork. His '92 season with Minardi is a lot of nothing, but '93 he had a great season for that team with a ton of top 10s, but a lot of those were 7ths, 8ths, and 9ths, which back then scored you zero points. In '94, he had two 4ths for Footworks and a bunch of 8ths.

Should also be mentioned how different we look at the drivers now compared to drivers past due to how the scoring system has been changed to go down to 10th. Something I realized years ago is Mark Webber under the old 10-6-4-3-2-1 scoring system would've been looked at as a nothing driver for a very long time. Here's his points for the first 7 years of his career under 10-6-4-3-2-1:

2002 - 2 points (a 5th)
2003 - 3 points (3 6ths)
2004 - 1 point (a 6th)
2005 - 16 points (a 3rd, 2 4ths, 2 5ths, 2 6ths)
2006 - 2 points (2 6ths)
2007 - 4 points (a 3rd)
2008 - 6 points (a 4th, a 5th, a 6th)


doesn't matter what points system you use, him at 11th ever and Lauda not even in the top 50 is just silly


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doesn't matter what points system you use, him at 11th ever and Lauda not even in the top 50 is just silly


Depends... are you looking at wins as a measure of success or are you factoring in the quality of machinery and the effectiveness of the driver within that.


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guy smiley wrote:
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doesn't matter what points system you use, him at 11th ever and Lauda not even in the top 50 is just silly


Depends... are you looking at wins as a measure of success or are you factoring in the quality of machinery and the effectiveness of the driver within that.


Forget Hamilton for a minute a three time world champ has to be better than 51st


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bimboman wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
backrow wrote:
doesn't matter what points system you use, him at 11th ever and Lauda not even in the top 50 is just silly


Depends... are you looking at wins as a measure of success or are you factoring in the quality of machinery and the effectiveness of the driver within that.


Forget Hamilton for a minute a three time world champ has to be better than 51st


Comprehension.

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guy smiley wrote:
backrow wrote:
doesn't matter what points system you use, him at 11th ever and Lauda not even in the top 50 is just silly


Depends... are you looking at wins as a measure of success or are you factoring in the quality of machinery and the effectiveness of the driver within that.


Lauda didn't just win or get points in the best / one of the best cars in a season like a Ferrari or McLaren, he also got them in Brabhams.
he also won in 84 when he only just beat his team mate Prost, so he won stuff not only when he had the best car out there.

His omission from that list when no-marks like C_Fittipaldi are in 11th renders the list a total joke imho.


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backrow wrote:
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Should also be mentioned how different we look at the drivers now compared to drivers past due to how the scoring system has been changed to go down to 10th. Something I realized years ago is Mark Webber under the old 10-6-4-3-2-1 scoring system would've been looked at as a nothing driver for a very long time. Here's his points for the first 7 years of his career under 10-6-4-3-2-1:

2002 - 2 points (a 5th)
2003 - 3 points (3 6ths)
2004 - 1 point (a 6th)
2005 - 16 points (a 3rd, 2 4ths, 2 5ths, 2 6ths)
2006 - 2 points (2 6ths)
2007 - 4 points (a 3rd)
2008 - 6 points (a 4th, a 5th, a 6th)


doesn't matter what points system you use...


There are a group of drivers from the current time and past decade that owe a widely held more or less positive opinion about their careers to the expanded point system that with the same results 20 years ago would've been dismissed as nothing drivers.


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Flyin Ryan wrote:
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Should also be mentioned how different we look at the drivers now compared to drivers past due to how the scoring system has been changed to go down to 10th. Something I realized years ago is Mark Webber under the old 10-6-4-3-2-1 scoring system would've been looked at as a nothing driver for a very long time. Here's his points for the first 7 years of his career under 10-6-4-3-2-1:

2002 - 2 points (a 5th)
2003 - 3 points (3 6ths)
2004 - 1 point (a 6th)
2005 - 16 points (a 3rd, 2 4ths, 2 5ths, 2 6ths)
2006 - 2 points (2 6ths)
2007 - 4 points (a 3rd)
2008 - 6 points (a 4th, a 5th, a 6th)


doesn't matter what points system you use...


There are a group of drivers from the current time and past decade that owe a widely held more or less positive opinion about their careers to the expanded point system that with the same results 20 years ago would've been dismissed as nothing drivers.


there are - but they haven't got 11th place on some shitty all time best list.
unless your surname is Fittipaldi, I don't know why you are bigging him up so much, wasn't just champ points, but he got a big fat Doughnut for fastest laps or podiums as well, in his vast 3 seasons in F1 before he went to the US with the other has-beens / never were's like Blundell


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Martin Brundle 30th, above Kimi Raikonnen ?
Elio de Anglis above Stirling Moss ?
Marc Surer 17th above Keke Rosberg 44th, and they drove in the exact same period ?
Christian Fittipaldi 11th despite having zeros for any of the stats they have like wins or fastest laps ?
No Niki Lauda ?

sorry to say, but that list, and maths, is pretty much entirely bollocks imho


You know that De Angelis proved to be faster than Mansell, and was leading the F1 Championship with JpS Lotus before Peter Warr decided (too early) that Lotus would concentrate the best effort on Senna (as the team was no more able to mantain two competitive cars)?
This is why he choosed to leave for Brabham - when the team told him about these plans.
That year he died at Paul Ricard then

Btw he was also faster than Senna when on equals terms.
Bbtw- Bellof was the actual star driver of 1984 Monaco Grand Prix. Not Senna.
(Just to set some fact straight to show that nowadays story of events is not really all true - it is based sometimes on stratification of, lets say, beliefs. The fact that this modeling includes De Angelis shows that it may be a good one indeed)


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guy smiley wrote:
bimboman wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
backrow wrote:
doesn't matter what points system you use, him at 11th ever and Lauda not even in the top 50 is just silly


Depends... are you looking at wins as a measure of success or are you factoring in the quality of machinery and the effectiveness of the driver within that.


Forget Hamilton for a minute a three time world champ has to be better than 51st


Comprehension.

Try it.



What ever factors the "algo" uses the omniscient of lauds from the top 50 means it's f ucki stupid. That's an easy comprehension .


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AlanBengio wrote:
backrow wrote:
Martin Brundle 30th, above Kimi Raikonnen ?
Elio de Anglis above Stirling Moss ?
Marc Surer 17th above Keke Rosberg 44th, and they drove in the exact same period ?
Christian Fittipaldi 11th despite having zeros for any of the stats they have like wins or fastest laps ?
No Niki Lauda ?

sorry to say, but that list, and maths, is pretty much entirely bollocks imho


You know that De Angelis proved to be faster than Mansell, and was leading the F1 Championship with JpS Lotus before Peter Warr decided (too early) that Lotus would concentrate the best effort on Senna (as the team was no more able to mantain two competitive cars)?
This is why he choosed to leave for Brabham - when the team told him about these plans.
That year he died at Paul Ricard then

Btw he was also faster than Senna when on equals terms.
Bbtw- Bellof was the actual star driver of 1984 Monaco Grand Prix. Not Senna.
(Just to set some fact straight to show that nowadays story of events is not really all true - it is based sometimes on stratification of, lets say, beliefs. The fact that this modeling includes De Angelis shows that it may be a good one indeed)


Elio D A was good and I was questioning his position above Moss, not his inclusion in the 50 - unlike C FIttipaldi that is an utter joke
Bellof sadly rolled a double six before he got to really prove himself


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Kubica so much higher than 3 time champ Jack Brabham as well is a bit 'yeah, right......"

I'd have put Lauda in the top ten for sure


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There's some utter twaddle in that assesment; it assumes that drivers in the same team had equal access to resources etc which simply isn't true (Mansell was famous for being so bad at team politics that his own team and mechanics would deliberately stiff him for example)

The real trouble is that it's impossible to get a genuine assessment of the car unless and until you get the same driver at the same race drive two different cars - simply not going to happen.

All this looking from the outside and trying to determine if the Mercedes, the Ferrari, or the Red Bull (for instance just from last season) was the fastest car is impossible; not to mention that it changes both from track to track and over the course of the season.


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backrow wrote:
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backrow wrote:
Martin Brundle 30th, above Kimi Raikonnen ?
Elio de Anglis above Stirling Moss ?
Marc Surer 17th above Keke Rosberg 44th, and they drove in the exact same period ?
Christian Fittipaldi 11th despite having zeros for any of the stats they have like wins or fastest laps ?
No Niki Lauda ?

sorry to say, but that list, and maths, is pretty much entirely bollocks imho


You know that De Angelis proved to be faster than Mansell, and was leading the F1 Championship with JpS Lotus before Peter Warr decided (too early) that Lotus would concentrate the best effort on Senna (as the team was no more able to mantain two competitive cars)?
This is why he choosed to leave for Brabham - when the team told him about these plans.
That year he died at Paul Ricard then

Btw he was also faster than Senna when on equals terms.
Bbtw- Bellof was the actual star driver of 1984 Monaco Grand Prix. Not Senna.
(Just to set some fact straight to show that nowadays story of events is not really all true - it is based sometimes on stratification of, lets say, beliefs. The fact that this modeling includes De Angelis shows that it may be a good one indeed)


Elio D A was good and I was questioning his position above Moss, not his inclusion in the 50 - unlike C FIttipaldi that is an utter joke
Bellof sadly rolled a double six before he got to really prove himself


Fair enough


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http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... m=referral

Grid girls are gone.

Making them unemployed with learn em good!

...but how else are fat, bald, old, rich men, like Bernie, going to find the future loves of their lives?


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Nothing says feminism quite like taking away pretty women's personal choice and rendering them unemployed.


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Nothing says feminism quite like taking away pretty women's personal choice and rendering them unemployed.


I understand those girls on the grid in Belgium, Germany and England were all slaves who were forced to be there for no money at all!


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backrow wrote:
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Should also be mentioned how different we look at the drivers now compared to drivers past due to how the scoring system has been changed to go down to 10th. Something I realized years ago is Mark Webber under the old 10-6-4-3-2-1 scoring system would've been looked at as a nothing driver for a very long time. Here's his points for the first 7 years of his career under 10-6-4-3-2-1:

2002 - 2 points (a 5th)
2003 - 3 points (3 6ths)
2004 - 1 point (a 6th)
2005 - 16 points (a 3rd, 2 4ths, 2 5ths, 2 6ths)
2006 - 2 points (2 6ths)
2007 - 4 points (a 3rd)
2008 - 6 points (a 4th, a 5th, a 6th)


doesn't matter what points system you use...


There are a group of drivers from the current time and past decade that owe a widely held more or less positive opinion about their careers to the expanded point system that with the same results 20 years ago would've been dismissed as nothing drivers.


there are - but they haven't got 11th place on some shitty all time best list.
unless your surname is Fittipaldi, I don't know why you are bigging him up so much, wasn't just champ points, but he got a big fat Doughnut for fastest laps or podiums as well, in his vast 3 seasons in F1 before he went to the US with the other has-beens / never were's like Blundell


Remember those 20 fastest laps Luca Badoer got in a Minardi? No? Oh, that's right, he was in a Minardi! :lol: That you take a driver that spent his career with Footwork and Minardi and bring up fastest laps and podiums for why he was not good shows a major disconnect on your part that you are unable to divorce the driver from the car. Lewis Hamilton would have never gotten a fastest lap or a podium in a Minardi. I don't see how anyone could intelligently debate otherwise.

I agree with guy smiley that comprehension is not your strong suit.

The methodology by the way has a pretty obvious flaw. That's methodology, not the results generated. I brought up Christian Fittipaldi because people wouldn't think of him as 11th-best F1 driver ever, but under the current points system, Fittipaldi would have a higher reputation than otherwise.


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More importantly, grid dirls are gone.

F1 is lost to me now


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Saint wrote:
More importantly, grid dirls are gone.

F1 is lost to me now



What, did you use to check them out in Braille ?


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Nothing says feminism quite like taking away pretty women's personal choice and rendering them unemployed.


I understand those girls on the grid in Belgium, Germany and England were all slaves who were forced to be there for no money at all!

glad to see the back of them. Those of you who want to make it about the few women who won't be employed for the race in their home country are all cunts

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Flying Ryan you are a massive dickhead , I never said it wasn’t about the car as well u utter plum, comprehension isn’t YOUR strong point more like (believe guy smiley made the comprehension comment about bimboman, not me - unlucky !)
11th for C Fitt is ridiculous no matter if all the other drivers were in pedal cars or Tie fighters, he just wasn’t anywhere near to 11th best driver of all time.

Even in the junior ranks formulae he would struggle to get top 50 of all time in any of them. He had a famous surname and stats aside, if he truly was top 50 ever, he wouldn’t have been stuck in a Minardi or a footwork for the massive numbers of Grand Prix he competed in (oh wait a minute, even they only gave him 43 starts in total over a not so massive 3 years)


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Anonymous. wrote:
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Rugby2023 wrote:
Nothing says feminism quite like taking away pretty women's personal choice and rendering them unemployed.


I understand those girls on the grid in Belgium, Germany and England were all slaves who were forced to be there for no money at all!

glad to see the back of them. Those of you who want to make it about the few women who won't be employed for the race in their home country are all cunts

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Charlotte Gash is a part-time grid girl, who says she is "disgusted" with F1's decision.

"It's upsetting and I'm rather disgusted that F1 have given in to the minority to be politically correct," Gash told BBC Radio 5 live.


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