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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:49 pm 
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It's all a balancing act; the current MGU-H/K and turbo setup was requested/required by some manufacturers (Renault being one of the prime drivers) effectively as the price of keeping them in the sport. It's now become a barrier to entry for some of the other manufacturers they want to bring into the sport, especially if they're focusing on some of the more "niche" manufacturers rather than the volume players.

As for grid penalties, it will be far worse next season

MGU-K, energy store, and control electronics will be 2 per car
ICE, turbo, and MGU-H will be 3 per car




FIA are French. Renault are French. They've been doing what Renault want since the 1.5 turbo era.


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It's official - Renault have pretty much run out if all engine parts. Anything that breaks during practice or qualification at Abu Dhabi will likely result in that driver withdrawing from the race, whether a Red Bull, Torro Rosso, or Renault car.

No-one's happy, but the lawyers appear to have been called off


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It's official - Renault have pretty much run out if all engine parts. Anything that breaks during practice or qualification at Abu Dhabi will likely result in that driver withdrawing from the race, whether a Red Bull, Torro Rosso, or Renault car.

No-one's happy, but the lawyers appear to have been called off


Those TAG Heuer people are terrible engine builders. :lol:

If anything breaks on a Red Bull, surely the Toro Rosso would be the one grounded?


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Seems to me the french are fcuking up every sport they take part in.


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It's official - Renault have pretty much run out if all engine parts. Anything that breaks during practice or qualification at Abu Dhabi will likely result in that driver withdrawing from the race, whether a Red Bull, Torro Rosso, or Renault car.

No-one's happy, but the lawyers appear to have been called off


Those TAG Heuer people are terrible engine builders. :lol:

If anything breaks on a Red Bull, surely the Toro Rosso would be the one grounded?


Engines are tied to cars. You can't take an engine part from Hartley's car and use it in Verstappen's


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:01 pm 
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Hartley is confirmed for 2018 with Toro Rosso.


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Hartley is confirmed for 2018 with Toro Rosso.

Great news for the man. Hopefully the Honda engines of next year are more reliable than the Renault engines and sustained time in the seat can see his stocks rise.


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Hartley is confirmed for 2018 with Toro Rosso.

Great news for the man. Hopefully the Honda engines of next year are more reliable than the Renault engines and sustained time in the seat can see his stocks rise.

Hopefully NZ tv can work through this and report on what the other 17 cars and drivers are doing during the season :x


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https://www.autosport.com/video/stream/ ... 1509813131

Macau F3 gp live if you are bored and do not know what to do

Edit: whoa! What a finish!


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I think the question is did he use his private jet for purely business trips or has he used it for private use as well. As for tax avoidance why would anyone have a problem with that. Does he get some sort of tax relief on all the money he donates to charity ?


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It's possibly worth pointing out Hamilton avoids all UK tax by not living here. The VAT avoided wasn't the UK's anyway.


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Since when is paying less tax a bad thing? We all try to do it, however he just earns a ridiculous amount so his tax savings are bigger,


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So his cheating is not confined to only racing?


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Since when is paying less tax a bad thing? We all try to do it, however he just earns a ridiculous amount so his tax savings are bigger,

The tabloids have been trying to get peoples backs up about tax avoidance for years. It's only the idiots who confuse it with evasion and call these people cheats who get angry.


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Since when is paying less tax a bad thing? We all try to do it, however he just earns a ridiculous amount so his tax savings are bigger,



Sadly it's become a "moral " issue in the north where politicians particularly on the left think that avoiding tax is robbing schools and hospitals of their existance.


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That rjonesux is a bit of a miserable git


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Kubica apparently signed to Williams for 2 years. Multiple sources are reporting it in Brazil and Poland.


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Kubica apparently signed to Williams for 2 years. Multiple sources are reporting it in Brazil and Poland.


:thumbup: :thumbup:


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Kubica apparently signed to Williams for 2 years. Multiple sources are reporting it in Brazil and Poland.


That would be a most remarkable comeback and I'm hoping it's not supported by a shedload of dollars. I was rooting for PdiR to get the drive but if Robert Kubica has ground his way back on merit then he deserves much respect.


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Kubica apparently signed to Williams for 2 years. Multiple sources are reporting it in Brazil and Poland.


That would be a most remarkable comeback and I'm hoping it's not supported by a shedload of dollars. I was rooting for PdiR to get the drive but if Robert Kubica has ground his way back on merit then he deserves much respect.



Pity that pillock Rosbergs behind it.


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Kubica apparently signed to Williams for 2 years. Multiple sources are reporting it in Brazil and Poland.


That would be a most remarkable comeback and I'm hoping it's not supported by a shedload of dollars. I was rooting for PdiR to get the drive but if Robert Kubica has ground his way back on merit then he deserves much respect.



Pity that pillock Rosbergs behind it.

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ElementFreak wrote:
bimboman wrote:
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ElementFreak wrote:
Kubica apparently signed to Williams for 2 years. Multiple sources are reporting it in Brazil and Poland.


That would be a most remarkable comeback and I'm hoping it's not supported by a shedload of dollars. I was rooting for PdiR to get the drive but if Robert Kubica has ground his way back on merit then he deserves much respect.



Pity that pillock Rosbergs behind it.

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Kubicas agent I think.


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bimboman wrote:
ElementFreak wrote:
bimboman wrote:
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Kubica apparently signed to Williams for 2 years. Multiple sources are reporting it in Brazil and Poland.


That would be a most remarkable comeback and I'm hoping it's not supported by a shedload of dollars. I was rooting for PdiR to get the drive but if Robert Kubica has ground his way back on merit then he deserves much respect.



Pity that pillock Rosbergs behind it.

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Kubicas agent I think.

Yeah he is, the question mark was around why you think he's a pillock?


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Don't like him much. It's an opinion.


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Fair enough, was wondering if there was any more to it that that.

I'm the same with Grosjean, think he's an idiot for no real reason.


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Fair enough, was wondering if there was any more to it that that.

I'm the same with Grosjean, think he's an idiot for no real reason.



In fairness Grosjean crashes a lot.


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McLaren are going to be a serious threat next season with a half decent engine to match that chassis.


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McLaren are going to be a serious threat next season with a half decent engine to match that chassis.

Unfortunately they've signed with Renault :((


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McLaren are going to be a serious threat next season with a half decent engine to match that chassis.

Depending on the different dimensions of the Renault engine they might lose a bit.

I'm looking forward to Mercedes effort next year, the first under James Allison. As well as Paddy Lowe's first full year at Williams.


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McLaren are going to be a serious threat next season with a half decent engine to match that chassis.

Depending on the different dimensions of the Renault engine they might lose a bit.

I'm looking forward to Mercedes effort next year, the first under James Allison. As well as Paddy Lowe's first full year at Williams.


Will be interesting to see if Allison changes the concept of the Mercedes chassis. Williams look like they need a lot more than Paddy to get them back on track

Bottas doing a decent job of it today


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Saint wrote:
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McLaren are going to be a serious threat next season with a half decent engine to match that chassis.

Depending on the different dimensions of the Renault engine they might lose a bit.

I'm looking forward to Mercedes effort next year, the first under James Allison. As well as Paddy Lowe's first full year at Williams.


Will be interesting to see if Allison changes the concept of the Mercedes chassis. Williams look like they need a lot more than Paddy to get them back on track

Bottas doing a decent job of it today



Mercedes have got stuff right for a while, what changes could he bring? Rake and chassis being shorter.


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Hamilton to take out Bottas; then Ferraris 1 and 2.
Mark my words


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Hamilton to take out Bottas; then Ferraris 1 and 2.
Mark my words



Certainly as close as the "better car" stuff earlier in the season.


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Snore fest.
Mercs miles ahead. This is what they do when not looking after their engine. What an unexciting season :(


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bimboman wrote:
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McLaren are going to be a serious threat next season with a half decent engine to match that chassis.

Depending on the different dimensions of the Renault engine they might lose a bit.

I'm looking forward to Mercedes effort next year, the first under James Allison. As well as Paddy Lowe's first full year at Williams.


Will be interesting to see if Allison changes the concept of the Mercedes chassis. Williams look like they need a lot more than Paddy to get them back on track

Bottas doing a decent job of it today



Mercedes have got stuff right for a while, what changes could he bring? Rake and chassis being shorter.


Those are the two things. The Mercedes IS generally long and flat, and therefore is relying on extremely complex aero surfaces on the wings to generate downforce. It's a major reason why it struggles in traffic as the aero stops working in disrupted air.

The shorter cars with more rake are benefitting from a degree of ground effect (although not as much as the late 70s) which is an aero effect that you don't lose in dirty air.

Although interesting hearing the comments about the latest generation of Red Bull suspension developments being banned - variable ride height suspension is often key to creating ground effect reliably


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Hamilton to take out Bottas; then Ferraris 1 and 2.
Mark my words



Certainly as close as the "better car" stuff earlier in the season.


Just engine today - no turns basically here.
That's why you see Bottas in front


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Hamilton to take out Bottas; then Ferraris 1 and 2.
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Certainly as close as the "better car" stuff earlier in the season.


Just engine today - no turns basically here.
That's why you see Bottas in front



Oh ok. It's also car choice of shape and size .... The balance between tracks over a whole season. Mercedes have got that right this year. I hope they do next.


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