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From a purely business perspective, is it even a smart move? Doesn't seem like their fans would care or would lean in the other direction, if anything. I know the sponsors probably will be happy but sponsors are only there if the fans are.


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Charlotte Gash is a part-time grid girl, who says she is "disgusted" with F1's decision.

"It's upsetting and I'm rather disgusted that F1 have given in to the minority to be politically correct," Gash told BBC Radio 5 live.


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Sorry, what is her name?


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Charlotte Gash is a part-time grid girl, who says she is "disgusted" with F1's decision.

"It's upsetting and I'm rather disgusted that F1 have given in to the minority to be politically correct," Gash told BBC Radio 5 live.


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Charlotte.


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Flying Ryan you are a massive dickhead , I never said it wasn’t about the car as well u utter plum, comprehension isn’t YOUR strong point more like (believe guy smiley made the comprehension comment about bimboman, not me - unlucky !)
11th for C Fitt is ridiculous no matter if all the other drivers were in pedal cars or Tie fighters, he just wasn’t anywhere near to 11th best driver of all time.

Even in the junior ranks formulae he would struggle to get top 50 of all time in any of them. He had a famous surname and stats aside, if he truly was top 50 ever, he wouldn’t have been stuck in a Minardi or a footwork for the massive numbers of Grand Prix he competed in (oh wait a minute, even they only gave him 43 starts in total over a not so massive 3 years)


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And yes. You didn't read my post, or your comprehension is lacking. Since you spaced out or were temporarily illiterate, here is my initial one again. I say no one was going to win in a Minaedi, Fittipaldi in hindsight was probably underrated due to the points system, and his career was not that much different numerically than Mark Webber's early career.

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Fittipaldi drove for Minardi and Footwork. How was he ever going to get wins or fastest laps?

Fittipaldi was the one that jumped out most to me, because he had a few years and then moved Stateside to CART, and he's right above Hamilton. He had 2 years with Minardi and 1 year with Footwork. His '92 season with Minardi is a lot of nothing, but '93 he had a great season for that team with a ton of top 10s, but a lot of those were 7ths, 8ths, and 9ths, which back then scored you zero points. In '94, he had two 4ths for Footworks and a bunch of 8ths.

Should also be mentioned how different we look at the drivers now compared to drivers past due to how the scoring system has been changed to go down to 10th. Something I realized years ago is Mark Webber under the old 10-6-4-3-2-1 scoring system would've been looked at as a nothing driver for a very long time. Here's his points for the first 7 years of his career under 10-6-4-3-2-1:

2002 - 2 points (a 5th)
2003 - 3 points (3 6ths)
2004 - 1 point (a 6th)
2005 - 16 points (a 3rd, 2 4ths, 2 5ths, 2 6ths)
2006 - 2 points (2 6ths)
2007 - 4 points (a 3rd)
2008 - 6 points (a 4th, a 5th, a 6th)


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Been working on these for most of a year. Pretty happy with them as they are now so putting them out there for your reading pleasure. They are meant to be tongue-in-cheek, some funny, some serious, and touch all corners of the racing world. Sections of it will be North Americocentric for some here, but I touch on a bunch of international series as well.

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The Unofficial Rules of Auto Racing

General

1. Auto racing is not, nor has it even been, a “fair” sport.
2. The proper phrase for racing fans to describe other sports is “stick and ball”.
3. European auto racing is a white-collar sport. American auto racing is a blue-collar sport. Japanese auto racing is a corporate sport.
4. The sport revolves around money (for a candy-coated version of this truth, see the film Speed Racer). But auto racing commentators are barred from acknowledging this when discussing why certain drivers lacking talent are in the field or why a Formula One race is taking place in Azerbaijan.
5. The cost of a component for a race car is whatever the cost would be for that component for a normal car, multiplied by 74.
6. Age requirements to participate do not apply if you are the son of a former driver.
7. Talent requirements to participate do not apply if you are the son of a former driver.
8. Talent requirements do not exist at all if the driver provides funding for the car, the crew, the travel, the owner’s wife and girlfriend(s), etc.
9. If you allow manufacturers to set the rules to their desires, they will have freedom of design innovation and creativity, but will probably withdraw from the series within a few years because expenses went up so high (see every sportscar series ever and MotoGP circa 2011).

Formula One

10. All Formula One teams are equal, but some Formula One teams are more equal than others.
11. Ferrari are very equal.
12. The top two-thirds of the grid are seriously good drivers. The back one-third of the grid are random ride buyers not much more talented than the guys they raced against back in Formula 3.
13. The worst seasons to watch are when one team is omnipotent over the rest of the field and the #2 driver for that team is not allowed to challenge #1 (see Rubens Barrichello’s career).
14. The only approved designer for new Formula One tracks is Hermann Tilke.
15. Formula One race course technical approval will only be given after the organizer’s checks to the multiple Formula One financial entities clears.
16. Americans are ineligible to participate in Formula One, unless the American can satisfy Rule 8.
17. All Formula One tracks are required to have half a kilometer of runoff everywhere. The concept of “track limits” are banned in track design. (“Track limits” is in Formula One a pre-2000 term used to describe “track position punishment” or “car damage punishment” for the driver if he for example missed the apex of a corner and/or went off track, thereby ending up in a worse position or further behind than before as a penalty for making a driving mistake.)
18. Rule 17 does not apply to the Monaco Formula One Grand Prix, otherwise the champagne and glamour crowd would get in a huff.
19. Following on from Rules 17 and 18, any driver that attempts an on-track pass for position at the Monaco Formula One Grand Prix will be investigated by the stewards during the race for unsafe driving practices.
20. The year-end results and standings of European junior racing formulas are 90% irrelevant to determining the drivers that get promoted to higher auto racing series (see Rules 6, 7, and 8 ).
21. The British Formula One press are a rabid animal unto themselves.
22. A decent-sized minority of Formula One fans are not fans of actual racing per se.
23. No one loves Bernie Ecclestone, not even his children.
24. The wave around rule is beyond stupid and dumb.

NASCAR

25. NASCAR surpassed Indycar to become the #1 motorsport series in the United States on August 6th, 1994, when Jeff Gordon won the inaugural Brickyard 400. The victory represented everything right with NASCAR and everything wrong with CART at the time.
26. The only acceptable phrases used by people living outside the United States to describe NASCAR racing are “Days of Thunder” and “Ricky Bobby”.
27. The only approved owners for NASCAR Cup tracks are the International Speedway Corporation (ISC) and Speedway Motorsports, Inc. (SMI). Tracks in violation of this rule are only allowed to host races by a grandfather clause. Any track currently not hosting a Cup event but wishing to become one needs to first be sold to either ISC or SMI for pennies on the dollar.
28. Any time the leader of a NASCAR race gets a lead of more than 5 seconds, sit expecting a caution flag for debris to come out.
29. Selective enforcement of when to throw a caution flag is not only in effect but actively encouraged. When one is thrown or not depends on who is winning the race, whether NASCAR wants him to win, how large a lead he has, and if throwing the yellow would really spice up the entertainment and drama factor.
30. When looking at historical data, completely ignore everything that occurred in Richard Petty’s career after the 1984 Firecracker 400.
31. Any time TV ratings or attendance goes down, Brian France will come up with a minor alteration to NASCAR’s Chase/Playoffs format. This will be universally praised by the TV commentators as the best thing since Sliced Bread/Joey Logano. The best thing since Sliced Bread/Joey Logano will then be altered…again…the following year.
32. The stage format is cover so they can have two prearranged long cautions for the TV networks to do commercials.
33. Daytona and Talladega are big clusterf***s of races that require the least driver talent to win at on the circuit. (See Michael Waltrip, Derrike Cope, Trevor Bayne, Bobby Hillin Jr., Jimmy Spencer, David Ragan, Greg Sacks, and Phil Parsons.)
34. 10 of Dale Earnhardt Jr.’s 26 career wins were at Daytona and Talladega.
35. Restrictor plates were brought in to stop cars from jumping the fence at Daytona or Talladega, going into the crowd, and NASCAR being sued out of existence from all the aggrieved family members. Restrictor plates now exist to tighten everyone up and create big crashes…which is the most likely future cause of aggrieved family members attempting to sue NASCAR out of existence.
36. The best thing that ever happened to NASCAR was the rise of Jeff Gordon. He opened the sport up to new fans, new sponsors, and the series got larger than ever before venturing into new markets previously indifferent to stock car racing.
37. The worst thing that ever happened to American auto racing was the rise of Jeff Gordon. He opened NASCAR up to guys getting rides in the big series simply because they were young and good looking, talent be damned (hi Casey Atwood), and suddenly the grassroots became filled with daddies spending fortunes so young Ricky Bobby could be the next Gordon and get a Cup ride at 20 years old, forcing everyone to spend to simply keep up and completely changing the grassroots, removing a lot of pathways for blue-collar racers to simply race, making the sport even more about money than it was before (see Rules 3 and 4).
38. Kyle Busch will likely win his 201st NASCAR national series race in a Truck race with few fans in attendance and only 3 to 4 Trucks that can stay on the same straightaway as him within 10 laps. He’ll then throw a pissy fit in the media and wonder why no one cares that he beat Richard Petty’s win record.
39. The wave around rule is beyond stupid and dumb.

Indycar

40. Never mention the Split.
41. Roger Penske is smarter than you.
42. The fanbase is split into the oval crowd and the road racing crowd. The oval crowd idolize A.J. Foyt. The road racing crowd idolize Mario Andretti. Almost all arguments about the sport revolve around this difference in the fanbase.
43. When an Andretti has a huge lead at Indianapolis, mechanical misfortune will occur to him on the backstretch.
44. When looking at historical data, completely ignore everything that occurred in A.J. Foyt’s career where the races were sanctioned by CART.
45. If you attempt to take a trophy away from A.J. Foyt in Victory Lane, he will bitchslap you.
46. Nigel Mansell is the biggest crybaby ever.
47. John is everyone’s favorite member of the Andretti family.
48. The fans that exist in the online community are sometimes incredibly irrational (why Rule 40 exists). For example, some did not like Danica Patrick in Indycar even though she was the series’ top fan draw because in their opinion she was not good enough to be in the series. But in a lot of cases the same fans had no problem with anonymous European ride buyer #62 that finished in the back half of the field.
49. Scott Dixon is an absolutely phenomenal racecar driver. He is also an absolutely terrible fan draw.
50. Will Power is the king of the one-finger salute.
51. Everyone that is not a powerbroker in the sport agrees it is idiotic to follow up Indianapolis with a doubleheader at Belle Isle.
52. Everyone that is not a powerbroker in the sport agrees Michigan is a better track to have a race on than Belle Isle.
53. Why does the post-Indianapolis Belle Isle doubleheader exist then? See Rules 4 and 41.
54. The phrase “Well you see Paul…” will be engraved on Bobby Unser’s tombstone.
55. Rick Mears is one of the all-time greats and biggest legends in the sport. No one would hire him if he was coming up today however because he wouldn’t be considered good enough on road courses.
56. Indycar owners can tend to be the ones most out of touch with their audience as far as understanding why the fans are fans (hi Chip Ganassi).
57. The leader of the race is not allowed to pass the pace car on a restart.
58. However, lapped cars can pass the pace car under caution because of the wave around rule. The wave around rule is beyond stupid and dumb.

Sportscars

59. If you are watching a sportscar race and sit wondering how the car owner possibly got all the money to fund his car(s), chances are he is funding the race team through criminal means.
60. IMSA is an acronym for a sanctioning body of American sportscar racing. It has two meanings: the International Motor Sports Association, and the International Marijuana Smugglers’ Association.
61. Technical rules are set by whichever manufacturer can strong arm the sanctioning body best via money paid and threats to leave if they don’t get their way.
62. There is no such thing as purse money.
63. It is almost impossible for a privateer to defeat a factory car straight up. If it does happen, the factory car should probably withdraw from the sport within the year.
64. Privateers are the lifeblood of the sport though. If they disappear, so will the sportscar series a few years after the manufacturers inevitably pull out (see Rule 9, almost every FIA-sanctioned sportscar series ever, IMSA GTP, American Le Mans Series, the current ACO LMP1 class).
65. Following on from Rule 64, gentleman drivers, frowned upon elsewhere, are welcomed with open arms as the only way to pay the bills for a non-factory effort, and can lean on their co-driver to even win overall races here (see Milka Duno's career).

Other

66. No one has any clue what ACCUS (Automobile Competition Committee for the United States) is or does.
67. It was once said that “NASCAR exists for its fans, CART exists for its sponsors, and the SCCA exists for its corner workers.” One of the three is still true.
68. The most byzantine racing organization in North America is the SCCA.
69. The Trans-Am Series can work, it just needs to be ran professionally.
70. Finland are the best country in the world in producing most quality drivers per capita.
71. The purest auto race in the world is the Baja 1000. Honorable mention to Irish motorcycle road racing.
72. Rally racing is simply the most out-of-control fun looking racing there is out there. It’s also difficult to near impossible to televise properly.
73. Almost every Japanese driver in a European or North American racing series is there by request of a Japanese car manufacturer, or their father owns Panasonic.
74. The demographics of the Supercross fanbase is the most desirable of any racing series. Not too coincidentally, it’s also a series where the star riders’ bodies are normally done at 30 years old.
75. If you ever want to start an incredibly meaningless bench racing argument that could go on for awhile, talk about what the best points system is.
76. No actual fans of Formula E exist yet. It seems to be a series competing on Mickey Mouse track designs to allow companies to say “we do X” instead of there being any actual interest in the product. Then again, see Rule 4.
77. In an era when the number of American TV channels has exploded, USAC racing has less national television coverage now than it did in the late 1980s.
78. For some reason, USAC drivers can no longer race on pavement, unless it’s a Silver Crown race.
79. Following on from Rules 77 and 78, USAC still has good racing, and they don’t have a beyond stupid and dumb wave around rule.
80. Seriously, why does the wave around rule exist? This is completely indefensible from a competition point of view. You can go an entire lap down and it miraculously doesn’t matter when the caution flag flies? Why are we counting laps then? Watch races from 15 to 30 years ago and realize how much more boring they would be if cars early in the event going a lap down was hand-waved into nothing once the yellow flag flew. You remove almost all meaning from the first half of the race because there’s no winnowing process for who is in contention for the win outside of mechanicals and crashes. Drivers in the back half of the pack don’t race one another to try and stay away from the leader as long as possible. Otherwise you’re presented with the sorry spectacle of 25 cars on the lead lap at the end of the race and guys in the back half of that acting like “well, we had a good car, just couldn’t get track position”. Just f*** off.
81. Following on from Rule 80, if you are a journalist that does not understand why the leader would be following cars on the tail end of the lead lap behind the pace car, auto racing is too complicated a sport for you to handle. Tell your editor, quit, and find another job. (Not to mention it was always very entertaining for the race fan to see the leader with 2nd, 3rd, and so on right on his tail try to negotiate lap traffic in tight racing quarters.)
82. Warts and all, auto racing is still a great sport.
83. If calling auto racing a sport upsets you, how did you make it this long through these?


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Flyin Ryan.

That's absolutely brilliant. If I could do multiple upvotes I would. :thumbup: :thumbup:


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Good work :lol: :thumbup:


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In case anyone fancies an enjoyable (I think) "Predictor" game for the coming season, SuperBru run a half decent one. I usually participate in "The F1 Club" pool, which is an Open Pool if you wish to give it a go.


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Anyone watched the Grand Prix Driver series that was on Amazon? I'm through the 1st episode and it's pretty good so far.


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Some nice pics here showing some body work on the new Haas...


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Some nice pics here showing some body work on the new Haas...


https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech


Looks like even less overtaking then. More extreme and delicate aero services everywhere


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Some nice pics here showing some body work on the new Haas...


https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech


Looks like even less overtaking then. More extreme and delicate aero services everywhere

Oh great, so if Hamilton has a rocket car he'll be world champion again. :uhoh:

I'd actually love Hamilton to win a 5th title and chase Schumi, but no overtaking is a really depressing thought.


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Looks like even less overtaking then. More extreme and delicate aero services everywhere

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I like the black on that, gives it a different look than the last few seasons whilst being in uniform with them. Interesting that a lot of people are going with the Ferrari sidepods from last year.


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Doesn't look like the halo hinders airflow into the air box.


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61. Technical rules are set by whichever manufacturer can strong arm the sanctioning body best via money paid and threats to leave if they don’t get their way.


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ACO sporting director Vincent Beaumesnil told Motorsport.com: "There will be a penalty system, of which we will release details later, in case a non-hybrid car is faster than a hybrid.

"The reason for a non-hybrid going faster can only be that we have not been given the correct data [by the relevant constructor]."

"We are saying that we have given you a certain level of performance and if you are above this level, you have misled us.".


At this point I will take the cynical route and say that ACO/WEC/FIA are being extremely 'polite' to Toyota at this point. It would appear that it truly will be Toyota's championship to lose...it certainly won't be from lack of the governing bodies giving Toyota every opportunity.


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Where's that from Flyin Ryan and which Autosport?


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Doesn't look like the halo hinders airflow into the air box.


I don't think you can judge that based on a photo. Just because the halo isn't directly in front of the airbox, it looks entirely possible that it will significantly disrupt airflow. I would love to see some wind tunnel video to see what's going on, but i wouldn't be at all surprised if the area immediately in front of the airbox is of a lower pressure than previously.

More interesting really is the stuff on that car that is new/different, reflecting the design influence that Paddy Lowe has brought to Williams. There's some Mercedes type elements, which would be expected, but the side pods look to be heavily influenced by last year's Ferrari. I'm very interested to see if Merc and Red Bull take the same approach

Edit - also the T-wing is still there, just lower and further back. Disappointed with that, unless the extra downforce it generates is consistent even in dirty air


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Has to be disturbed air coming into that intake. I read in someone's blog that the intakes would be redesigned to cater for the wake of the halo... half expected to see side intakes on the roll bar.


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Has to be disturbed air coming into that intake. I read in someone's blog that the intakes would be redesigned to cater for the wake of the halo... half expected to see side intakes on the roll bar.



I expected to see it higher up. It would have been windtunnelled to death so the halo's effect must be negligible if at all.


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Has to be disturbed air coming into that intake. I read in someone's blog that the intakes would be redesigned to cater for the wake of the halo... half expected to see side intakes on the roll bar.



I expected to see it higher up. It would have been windtunnelled to death so the halo's effect must be negligible if at all.


Following your logic, those tiny vanes on the front wing must be for decoration.


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guy smiley wrote:
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Has to be disturbed air coming into that intake. I read in someone's blog that the intakes would be redesigned to cater for the wake of the halo... half expected to see side intakes on the roll bar.



I expected to see it higher up. It would have been windtunnelled to death so the halo's effect must be negligible if at all.


Following your logic, those tiny vanes on the front wing must be for decoration.



Following my logic? What, that F1 engineers with windtunnel data on how the halo affects airflow into the airbox are better informed to influence design than a moron on a rugby message board? I'll stick to that logic. :thumbup:


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Chips wrote:
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Has to be disturbed air coming into that intake. I read in someone's blog that the intakes would be redesigned to cater for the wake of the halo... half expected to see side intakes on the roll bar.



I expected to see it higher up. It would have been windtunnelled to death so the halo's effect must be negligible if at all.


Following your logic, those tiny vanes on the front wing must be for decoration.



Following my logic? What, that F1 engineers with windtunnel data on how the halo affects airflow into the airbox are better informed to influence design than a moron on a rugby message board? I'll stick to that logic. :thumbup:


The halo's effects must be negligible if at all...

and I'm a moron? here's you with over 100 posts in two days since joining swaggering around like John Wayne with someone else's balls in his hands telling other posters they're morons for pointing out the banality in your posts?

Take a flying fat leap at your own face.


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You think having over 30,000 posts here makes you a sage? Sad moron.


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Guy - it’s Toga.


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Guy - it’s Toga.


I was wondering... as I negotiated the airflow induced turbulence of my morning commute.

Who else would go on such a try hard posting spree on registering?


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11. Christian Fittipaldi
12. Lewis Hamilton


Are you sure it's Christian, rather than Emerson?


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4. The sport revolves around money (for a candy-coated version of this truth, see the film Speed Racer).

People learn it in less explicit ways than Speed Racer, I guess.

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The only acceptable phrases used by people living outside the United States to describe NASCAR racing are “Days of Thunder” and “Ricky Bobby”.

Excellent documentaries, very realistic.

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21. The British Formula One press are a rabid animal unto themselves.

They are cute toddlers compared to Italian press.

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Been working on these for most of a year. Pretty happy with them as they are now so putting them out there for your reading pleasure. They are meant to be tongue-in-cheek, some funny, some serious, and touch all corners of the racing world. Sections of it will be North Americocentric for some here, but I touch on a bunch of international series as well.

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1. Auto racing is not, nor has it even been, a “fair” sport.
9. If you allow manufacturers to set the rules to their desires, they will have freedom of design innovation and creativity, but will probably withdraw from the series within a few years because expenses went up so high (see every sportscar series ever and MotoGP circa 2011).
61. Technical rules are set by whichever manufacturer can strong arm the sanctioning body best via money paid and threats to leave if they don’t get their way.

I should get "The Unfair Advantage" some day.


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Where's that from Flyin Ryan and which Autosport?


WEC.

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4. The sport revolves around money (for a candy-coated version of this truth, see the film Speed Racer).

People learn it in less explicit ways than Speed Racer, I guess.


It's actually a pretty underrated movie. Premise was ridiculous, but then, the premise of the cartoon was ridiculous too, and it just lived up to it. But it had some truths that exist in racing that no other racing movie has ever touched.

Was talking to a guy some years ago I did some freelance work for in designing a sportscar, and he did some documentary filmmaking. I remarked that no one has ever made a movie that has told the truth about auto racing and what it is. He told me he can do that movie but he's only going to do it after he finally wins, that way no one can dismiss his work simply because he had sour grapes for always losing.

He's still not made the movie.


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some years ago I did some freelance work for in designing a sportscar,

:shock: What line of work are you in?



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Flyin Ryan wrote:
some years ago I did some freelance work for in designing a sportscar,

:shock: What line of work are you in?


Mechanical engineer. I'm a lifelong fan of auto racing and it's my inspiration for why I became a mechanical engineer.

While in college, I volunteered for a French team at the 2002 24 Hours of Daytona and was pretty much their gopher. They did race at the 24 Hours of Le Mans in I think it was 2003. I maintained a relationship with the team manager, the documentary filmmaker I discussed, and gave him a call in early 2005 after I was out of college. His engineer had quit so he needed one for a car he was designing, asked me if I wanted to do it. I'd tried to get a job in racing when I graduated in 2004, Indycar racing at the time was in rough shape financially, teams were shutting left and right and I didn't even bother because I didn't think they'd hire anyone green out of college compared to all the experienced guys looking for work. I called a bunch of NASCAR teams and couldn't get anyone to give me the time of day. I knew a girl in college whose father worked for one of the mid-tier NASCAR teams, and told her I figured out that you can't get in unless you know somebody, and she pretty much confirmed it. Working over in Europe...I put my name out there on Dailysportscar which was a British sportscar site that had some readership, but I was 21 years old, I'd need a work visa, there was nothing distinguishing me compared to someone local, and there was no interest.

So I looked at this chance to design an LMP2-style car as a chance to build a portfolio of sorts, then I can go to teams and say "I'm not some green untrained guy, I've actually done something". In the end, it didn't work, but I did design the car's frame and suspension, and an actual car does exist.

I over the years also applied to some jobs mostly not expecting a response back. I've probably applied to Andretti Autosport 3 times. I applied to Haas when they kickstarted their F1 effort. In mid-2015, I actually got a phone interview with Penske Racing I wasn't expecting at all. I applied to them for an opening 4 months earlier and had completely forgot about it.

I'd like to do something in racing still, although I'm married and about to have my 2nd kid, and they need to be my priority. Be it own a car in American short-track oval racing or help some kids out start their careers. I might do something in a year or two when I've decided my body is done playing rugby. I'd love to build an engine.


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:thumbup: :thumbup: Excellent... sorry you couldn't break into it but you must know as well as anyone else it's just as much luck and timing. Appreciated your story though man, explains a lot of your insights.


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When do Aston Martin start providing Red Bull with more than just a brand name and some cash?


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It's a lot of aero...

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:thumbup: :thumbup: Excellent... sorry you couldn't break into it but you must know as well as anyone else it's just as much luck and timing. Appreciated your story though man, explains a lot of your insights.


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They should definitely keep this livery but apparently it's just their testing one.


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They should definitely keep this livery but apparently it's just their testing one.


Yup... did you see their 'digital camo' driving suit?

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When do Aston Martin start providing Red Bull with more than just a brand name and some cash?


When they get a rule change to the engine formula that brings the costs under control


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That front wing looks even more complex than the Mercedes effort from last season


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When do Aston Martin start providing Red Bull with more than just a brand name and some cash?


When they get a rule change to the engine formula that brings the costs under control



Unfortunately, I can't see a return to normally aspirated V8s, can you?

Given the performance of the new wave of electric hyper road cars, all electric F1 might not be far away. :((


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