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Saint wrote:

guy smiley wrote:

nuffsaid wrote:

Saint wrote:Hamilton questioning Vettel's driving at the restart - accusing him of random acceleration/braking (funnily enough exactly what Vettel accused Lewis of last year)

I'll admit to at least one raised eyebrow whilst watching that. I don't recall it being mentioned by Di Resta or the Sky analysts but it would be interesting to see the telemetry trail. Baku certainly delivers lots of interest.

Stewards investigated that and were fine with it. Non Story.

Hamilton asking the FIA to take a look. Reckons that the stewards got it wrong - their arguement was that all the drivers in the field were doing it, but that would be because Vettel was effectively dictating the pace

Anonymous. wrote:

Saint wrote:

guy smiley wrote:

nuffsaid wrote:

Saint wrote:Hamilton questioning Vettel's driving at the restart - accusing him of random acceleration/braking (funnily enough exactly what Vettel accused Lewis of last year)

I'll admit to at least one raised eyebrow whilst watching that. I don't recall it being mentioned by Di Resta or the Sky analysts but it would be interesting to see the telemetry trail. Baku certainly delivers lots of interest.

Stewards investigated that and were fine with it. Non Story.

Hamilton asking the FIA to take a look. Reckons that the stewards got it wrong - their arguement was that all the drivers in the field were doing it, but that would be because Vettel was effectively dictating the pace

I find it hard to believe the stewards said everyone was doing it. I think Hamilton must be using a pinch of artistic licence

Saint wrote: I think he's arguing that everyone was accelerating/braking at the same time - which given that they were so tightly packed is inevitable- and that the stewardship were comparing their traces to Vettel's and therefore incorrectly concluding that it was just "ordinary" driving.

Without seeing the traced ourselves we can't really say much more, but it's certainly interesting to see Hamilton raise this further, especially given the accusations against him last year

fishfoodie wrote:

Saint wrote:

nuffsaid wrote:I see that rule changes to promote closer racing are to be introduced in 2019, ahead of the planned and significant 2021 changes. Put simply, changes to front wings and ducts should reduce air disturbance, thereby promoting closer racing. Good thing and overdue imo.

Not 100% clear that Ferrari still won't be able to veto (they voted against at this stage already), and also what the true impact will actually be. Larger endplates should reduce outwash and impeding cars behind, but will also reduce the overall downforce of the car itself. Larger rear wings will increase the effect of DRS, but will also increase some of the rear turbulence.


Remains to be seen

Yeah; I was under the impression, that it was more, the air from under the floor, & the way the exhaust was redirected to create a turbulent air flow onto the front wing of following car; & that this meant the following car lost front downforce, & front grip.

I can see how increasing some front wing would help; but ultimately if you allow teams to design aero systems that cast dirty, turbulent air out the back, they'll do exactly that.

Its going to end up with the usual battle with the rights owners wanting to improve the racing, (which means converging to a standard chassis); & the (big) manufacturers, wanting to be promote their brands by being different.

guy smiley wrote:I wonder, did anyone else see the interview Damon Hill did with Prost and Lauda in the build up to Baku? The discussion centred on the racing as it is now and whether there's a problem... Prost's comments were illuminating. He spoke about attracting younger fans to F1 and how current racing makes it all look easy so there isn't an appeal to it. I found that interesting, that's got to be a factor in proposed rule changes.

I like the tech myself but I fall into that older group of fans who tend to be more interested in that, but I can certainly appreciate the appeal of bringing the racing back to a more skill based competition and removing some of the aero would probably do that.

guy smiley wrote:I wonder, did anyone else see the interview Damon Hill did with Prost and Lauda in the build up to Baku? The discussion centred on the racing as it is now and whether there's a problem... Prost's comments were illuminating. He spoke about attracting younger fans to F1 and how current racing makes it all look easy so there isn't an appeal to it. I found that interesting, that's got to be a factor in proposed rule changes.

I like the tech myself but I fall into that older group of fans who tend to be more interested in that, but I can certainly appreciate the appeal of bringing the racing back to a more skill based competition and removing some of the aero would probably do that.

fishfoodie wrote:

guy smiley wrote:I wonder, did anyone else see the interview Damon Hill did with Prost and Lauda in the build up to Baku? The discussion centred on the racing as it is now and whether there's a problem... Prost's comments were illuminating. He spoke about attracting younger fans to F1 and how current racing makes it all look easy so there isn't an appeal to it. I found that interesting, that's got to be a factor in proposed rule changes.

I like the tech myself but I fall into that older group of fans who tend to be more interested in that, but I can certainly appreciate the appeal of bringing the racing back to a more skill based competition and removing some of the aero would probably do that.

Coultard has pointed out another problem regularly over the years.


Hermann Tilke


and the bland, safe, tracks, with vast run-off areas, no gravel, & fuck all actual overtaking corners. The tracks are all so similar these days, that you can roll out a car in Barcelona, & be pretty sure that it'll work on every other track on the calendar, within a few percent.

Tracks like Hungary have been on the schedule for decades, & have only once or twice turned out decent races; meanwhile Silverstone is constantly under threat, & Turkey was dropped, (despite being the only decent Tilke track).

Thank God for Monaco, although even that has been sanitized a lot recently

guy smiley wrote:I wonder, did anyone else see the interview Damon Hill did with Prost and Lauda in the build up to Baku? The discussion centred on the racing as it is now and whether there's a problem... Prost's comments were illuminating. He spoke about attracting younger fans to F1 and how current racing makes it all look easy so there isn't an appeal to it. I found that interesting, that's got to be a factor in proposed rule changes.

I like the tech myself but I fall into that older group of fans who tend to be more interested in that, but I can certainly appreciate the appeal of bringing the racing back to a more skill based competition and removing some of the aero would probably do that.

Saint wrote:

fishfoodie wrote:

guy smiley wrote:I wonder, did anyone else see the interview Damon Hill did with Prost and Lauda in the build up to Baku? The discussion centred on the racing as it is now and whether there's a problem... Prost's comments were illuminating. He spoke about attracting younger fans to F1 and how current racing makes it all look easy so there isn't an appeal to it. I found that interesting, that's got to be a factor in proposed rule changes.

I like the tech myself but I fall into that older group of fans who tend to be more interested in that, but I can certainly appreciate the appeal of bringing the racing back to a more skill based competition and removing some of the aero would probably do that.

Coultard has pointed out another problem regularly over the years.


Hermann Tilke


and the bland, safe, tracks, with vast run-off areas, no gravel, & fuck all actual overtaking corners. The tracks are all so similar these days, that you can roll out a car in Barcelona, & be pretty sure that it'll work on every other track on the calendar, within a few percent.

Tracks like Hungary have been on the schedule for decades, & have only once or twice turned out decent races; meanwhile Silverstone is constantly under threat, & Turkey was dropped, (despite being the only decent Tilke track).

Thank God for Monaco, although even that has been sanitized a lot recently

You see, you go and make a good point, then ruin it by mentioning Monaco - a track where overtaking is nigh on impossible as it's ridiculously unsuitable for a modern F1 car.

nuffsaid wrote:

Saint wrote:

fishfoodie wrote:

guy smiley wrote:I wonder, did anyone else see the interview Damon Hill did with Prost and Lauda in the build up to Baku? The discussion centred on the racing as it is now and whether there's a problem... Prost's comments were illuminating. He spoke about attracting younger fans to F1 and how current racing makes it all look easy so there isn't an appeal to it. I found that interesting, that's got to be a factor in proposed rule changes.

I like the tech myself but I fall into that older group of fans who tend to be more interested in that, but I can certainly appreciate the appeal of bringing the racing back to a more skill based competition and removing some of the aero would probably do that.

Coultard has pointed out another problem regularly over the years.


Hermann Tilke


and the bland, safe, tracks, with vast run-off areas, no gravel, & fuck all actual overtaking corners. The tracks are all so similar these days, that you can roll out a car in Barcelona, & be pretty sure that it'll work on every other track on the calendar, within a few percent.

Tracks like Hungary have been on the schedule for decades, & have only once or twice turned out decent races; meanwhile Silverstone is constantly under threat, & Turkey was dropped, (despite being the only decent Tilke track).

Thank God for Monaco, although even that has been sanitized a lot recently

You see, you go and make a good point, then ruin it by mentioning Monaco - a track where overtaking is nigh on impossible as it's ridiculously unsuitable for a modern F1 car.

Yep. Love Monaco for what it is but crap racing.

fishfoodie wrote:

nuffsaid wrote:

Saint wrote:

fishfoodie wrote:

guy smiley wrote:I wonder, did anyone else see the interview Damon Hill did with Prost and Lauda in the build up to Baku? The discussion centred on the racing as it is now and whether there's a problem... Prost's comments were illuminating. He spoke about attracting younger fans to F1 and how current racing makes it all look easy so there isn't an appeal to it. I found that interesting, that's got to be a factor in proposed rule changes.

I like the tech myself but I fall into that older group of fans who tend to be more interested in that, but I can certainly appreciate the appeal of bringing the racing back to a more skill based competition and removing some of the aero would probably do that.

Coultard has pointed out another problem regularly over the years.


Hermann Tilke


and the bland, safe, tracks, with vast run-off areas, no gravel, & fuck all actual overtaking corners. The tracks are all so similar these days, that you can roll out a car in Barcelona, & be pretty sure that it'll work on every other track on the calendar, within a few percent.

Tracks like Hungary have been on the schedule for decades, & have only once or twice turned out decent races; meanwhile Silverstone is constantly under threat, & Turkey was dropped, (despite being the only decent Tilke track).

Thank God for Monaco, although even that has been sanitized a lot recently

You see, you go and make a good point, then ruin it by mentioning Monaco - a track where overtaking is nigh on impossible as it's ridiculously unsuitable for a modern F1 car.

Yep. Love Monaco for what it is but crap racing.

Yeah, I am contradicting myself a bit, but I also just love the unique spectacle. It used to put a huge amount of pressure on drivers, even of they were leading, because of the occasion, & even the slightest of mistakes, by the driver or anyone in the team, could finish you. The swimming pool is positively tame these days, & even the dip on the way to Casino isn't as daunting as it used to be.

Anonymous. wrote:11/1 e/w each of two Red Bull drivers GET ON

Wendigo7 wrote:Feel like a Mercades one two is coming here.

Both look very quick, even switching tyres which is ominous because usually this year the tyre has been a problem.

Wendigo7 wrote:Feel like a Mercades one two is coming here.

Both look very quick, even switching tyres which is ominous because usually this year the tyre has been a problem.

TB63 wrote:I'm enjoying watching the old 70s cars going round Monaco, much better sounding and sliding everywhere.. On quest..

Mick Mannock wrote:

TB63 wrote:I'm enjoying watching the old 70s cars going round Monaco, much better sounding and sliding everywhere.. On quest..

Anyone dead yet?

Anonymous. wrote:

Wendigo7 wrote:Feel like a Mercades one two is coming here.

Both look very quick, even switching tyres which is ominous because usually this year the tyre has been a problem.

Red Bull 0.4 seconds faster on the long runs.

nuffsaid wrote:

Anonymous. wrote:

Wendigo7 wrote:Feel like a Mercades one two is coming here.

Both look very quick, even switching tyres which is ominous because usually this year the tyre has been a problem.

Red Bull 0.4 seconds faster on the long runs.

It could be a very good race tomorrow. It will be interesting to see what Ferdi can do with the McLaren upgrades and I expect Red Bull to be competitive, as you suggest.

Saint wrote:Bottas blew that. Did all the hard graft on the in lap, then budgeted the stop

guy smiley wrote:

Saint wrote:Isn't that a brand new engine for Kimi?

I don't know whether they changed it. if they did... whoa.