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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 1:48 pm 
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Imo it's not Mercedes winning that has been boring this year, it's the races themselves. Monaco next :|


Monaco is so overrated.


Yep - as a spectacle it's pretty awful. As a live experience it's awesome though


How many fans can afford that experience? :lol:


It’s full every year.


which is how many? saying a street course is full in attendance makes me roll my eyes, it's by definition incredibly limited sitting

And then there's the other route:

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"Hi, I want to buy a ticket to attend the Grand Prix."

"Okay, how long is your yacht?"


When I went to the Indycar race at Mid-Ohio last year, I went to a racing memorabilia booth setup and bought a print of Jackie Stewart rounding a turn at Monaco. In the background there are heaps upon heaps of fans watching, sitting on the walls, just everywhere filling the whole back of the photo. Monaco doesn't have sections like that now.


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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 1:51 pm 
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Monaco lost attendance at 200,000

Free standing seating areas are less than 100 euros


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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 2:04 pm 
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/motorsport/48289216

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Indy 500: Fernando Alonso unhurt after practice crash
By Andrew Benson
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Ex-Formula 1 world champion Fernando Alonso has emerged unhurt from a crash in practice for the Indianapolis 500.

The 37-year-old Spaniard is making his second attempt at the event but the accident on Wednesday was the latest in a series of setbacks this year.

Alonso said he had made a "mistake", adding: "It was understeer and even if I lifted the throttle on the entry of the corner, it was not enough.

"I completely lost the front aero. The wall came too close and too quickly."

McLaren have set up a new team to run Alonso at the prestigious Indy 500 this year as he seeks to become only the second man in history to complete motorsport's unofficial 'triple crown', which also includes the Monaco Grand Prix and Le Mans 24 Hours, both of which he has already won.

But the team have suffered electronic problems that badly afflicted running in a test last month and then electrical problems cut short their first day of practice on Tuesday. The accident - at Turn Three on the oval track which has average speeds of about 230mph - has cost Alonso more mileage.

Alonso had set 16th fastest time at the time of his accident, his 225.433mph average 3.4mph down on pace-setter Scott Dixon of the Ganassi team.

Alonso, who was taken to the medical centre and released after checks, said: "We will lose a little bit of running time again. I'm sorry for the team, but we will learn and hopefully we will come back stronger tomorrow.

"We worked quite a lot on the car and definitely now it's quite damaged, so I feel sorry for the team and for my mistake, hopefully tomorrow we're back on track and back stronger."

The team said it was unlikely they would run again on Wednesday, but there was a small possibility they might get out for a few laps at the end of day if they felt they could get the car ready without rushing it.

Alonso, who in 2017 qualified fifth with the Andretti team and led the race for 24 laps before retiring with an engine failure in the closing stages, has just two days of practice on Thursday and Friday remaining to prepare for qualifying, which runs over two days this weekend.

Saturday defines positions 10 to 30 on the grid, as well as which nine drivers will go through to compete for pole position and the top positions on the grid on Sunday.

The fastest nine on Saturday then run again on Sunday to compete for pole position.


This is going to be a harder time for Alonso than his run 2 years ago. 2 years ago he was with Andretti who is one of the top teams and he had teammates with a lot of Indy experience that shook the car down for him before Alonso got in. This year McLaren are running their own team in preparation for fielding their own car in 2020 it's presumed. Smaller team Carlin are a technical partner, so Alonso's teammates to aid him are Max Chilton and Charlie Kimball, which is a lot less teammate info to help.

36 cars and drivers are entered, so 3 of them will not qualify. There's other cars that I consider lower on the totem pole than McLaren/Alonso, but they still need to figure out the car. Bump Days at Indianapolis have a tendency to always grab some name driver and put him through hell on potentially not making the field.

To tie this into F1 a bit, Mexican youngster Patricio ("Pato") O'Ward who'll be running in his 1st Indy 500 if he qualifies, was put into the Red Bull Junior Drivers Program in the last week.


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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JkCZAzZ1hqk

A good clip (hope is the right word in English as well), albeit he’s going slow for an installation lap


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Isn't Patty Ward getting the nod because they blew through their driver academy and Ticktum isn't ready yet?

Is he any good?


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AlanBengio wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JkCZAzZ1hqk

A good clip (hope is the right word in English as well), albeit he’s going slow for an installation lap

:thumbup: :thumbup:


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Isn't Patty Ward getting the nod because they blew through their driver academy and Ticktum isn't ready yet?

Is he any good?



The RBR academy is empty, hence the trouble filling the Torro Rosso seats this year (although bizarrely that's working out for them)

Ticktum still has the aftermath of his ban hanging over his head, otherwise he'd have an F2 seat this year


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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 9:46 am 
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Sky, UK, have coverage of Indy 500 Qualifying today from 16:00 :thumbup:


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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 7:06 pm 
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Not looking good for Alonso, 30th of 30 so far. Puncture on his initial run, running conditions not good as track warms. McLaren seem to be waiting for better track conditions before going again.


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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 8:52 pm 
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Second run a disaster too. Will have to go again.


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Alonso once again driving a Mclaren a season or two before it’s ready and getting shit results that tarnish his stellar record.


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3rd run done, 30th... 227.0 mph


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4th, looks like a fuel issue, poss under fuelled, 34th. Current not qualified. unravelling for Mclaren.


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Alonso once again driving a Mclaren a season or two before it’s ready and getting shit results that tarnish his stellar record.


a bit hyperbolic ?

He's 1.5mph off the pace, & on his first flying lap in his latest qual run, he was right on the money; but the setup of the car meant he was having to get off the power on the critical 1st bend, & that screwed up his next two laps; but even then, he was averaging 227mph, when 228.5mph would put him in the middle of the pack.


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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 10:28 pm 
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5th run, just on the bubble with 20 mins left.


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Alonso gets bumped off by the last and final runner of the day.


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Carlin has no speed this month and that's who McLaren partnered with.

So tomorrow (or if it rains, Monday), 6 drivers go out to do one run and the fastest 3 of them qualify. Right now I'm planning on going unless rain is in the forecast.


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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 5:29 pm 
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So am here and went through the garage area. McLaren has 2 haulers here for 1 car.

They had a practice session this morning, Alonso's team set the car too low and he was bouncing at times around the track. So he comes in to fix it, they do, then it rains.

If it comes to the worst, McLaren could buy another car and Alonso starts shotgun on the field that way. I would expect that to happen if he DNQ'd, it would be too embarrassing for the McLaren organization to not participate and I think most everyone else in IndyCar wants McLaren and Alonso in the field. My prime candidate is the DragonSpeed car of Ben Hanley. DragonSpeed are a sportscar team that branched into IndyCars just this year, have never done an oval race before, and this is only their 2nd race. For purposes of building the team into more, I can see the owner doing it. Another one could be Kyle Kaiser in the Juncos car. They lost their sponsor last week and did not run yesterday or this morning at all. Kaiser is not in the race yet, so this would be an unlikely deal of he qualified and Alonso did not.


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Green track. They've set a start time for qualifying of 30 minutes from now.

Alonso will go out 3rd of 6 cars.


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Alonso just barely bumped out by the last car, Kyle Kaiser on a shoestring budget.


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I think McLaren need to rethink the idea of just entering a car for the one race. Even with their budget they need experience


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I think McLaren need to rethink the idea of just entering a car for the one race. Even with their budget they need experience


Which means they need to decide if it's a vanity project; or a serious commitment.


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and I think we all know it's just a vanity project....


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They were planning on doing 2 races at the tail end of the season in preparation for a 2020 full-time run was the rumor.

McLaren have announced they will not buy a car. One of the local Indy sports TV anchors tweeted on the lines of: "Trust me, Alonso is relieved he does not have to drive at the back of the field next Sunday in this dog of a car."

On the side of "what could've been", pretty much Honda said McLaren could not use a Honda engine, which meant they had to use a Chevy team as a side partner for data sharing and the like. Penske is the top Chevy team and was not going to help a potential future competitor. That left Ed Carpenter Racing, A.J. Foyt Enterprises, and Carlin. Foyt are one of the lesser teams on the grid and I doubt McLaren would've ever gone to them. I know Carpenter and McLaren had discussions. Carpenter is a midfield team normally but they're awesome on the big ovals. For some reason, not sure if it was McLaren's side or Carpenter's side, but McLaren went with Carlin. Ed Carpenter Racing yesterday qualified 2-3-4. Carlin had 1 car of 3 make the race, and it was the 1 of the 3 drivers they don't even like that much. :lol:

There's a lot of hubris here, but I think a lot of it is down to 2017 went so perfectly for Alonso outside of the late race engine failure, but a lot of that was down to they were using stuff from one of the best teams on the grid in Andretti, that it led to them underestimating the task.


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https://www.racefans.net/2019/05/20/mcl ... -indy-500/

Heads rolling.


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McLaren are such a fcuking shambles x(


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Question. Assuming Alonso wants to have another crack at Indy, and assuming that he doesn't trust McLaren to be a competitive team, what would be the likelihood of a team like Penske signing him on a limited contract (say 4-5 races)?

I don't see Alonso wanting to sign up for a whole season


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Question. Assuming Alonso wants to have another crack at Indy, and assuming that he doesn't trust McLaren to be a competitive team, what would be the likelihood of a team like Penske signing him on a limited contract (say 4-5 races)?

I don't see Alonso wanting to sign up for a whole season

Might a top team run an extra car just for him at Indianapolis? I suspect he brings quite a pile of money with him.


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guy smiley wrote:
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Fangio?


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Yup, '57 according to the link.


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Yup, '57 according to the link.


Good colourisation

Strange how it's so obviously Monaco while not looking like Monaco today


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Yup, '57 according to the link.


Good colourisation

Strange how it's so obviously Monaco while not looking like Monaco today


Yeah, it couldn't be anywhere else, could it. The ad in the background takes me back to childhood, seeing that style and those colours... I had curtains in my room with images from Grand Prix racing all over them in similar style and I remember seeing those large tin sheets at garages that were painted up advertising oils and the like.


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Yup, '57 according to the link.


Good colourisation

Strange how it's so obviously Monaco while not looking like Monaco today




It is the road just before the swimming pool.


https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@43.73646 ... 312!8i6656


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Cobbled track, you say ...... stokes imaginary goatee ..... interesting .....


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Yup, '57 according to the link.


Good colourisation

Strange how it's so obviously Monaco while not looking like Monaco today




It is the road just before the swimming pool.


https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@43.73646 ... 312!8i6656


Yeah, I figured it was somewhere around there. You can just about make it it's the same, but only jysy


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Niki Lauda has died. Here is the podium from his last win in F1.

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That's got to be the GOAT podium :shock:

RIP Niki. Gentleman and legend.


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Question. Assuming Alonso wants to have another crack at Indy, and assuming that he doesn't trust McLaren to be a competitive team, what would be the likelihood of a team like Penske signing him on a limited contract (say 4-5 races)?

I don't see Alonso wanting to sign up for a whole season

Might a top team run an extra car just for him at Indianapolis? I suspect he brings quite a pile of money with him.


Penske will do it if he thinks it benefits the whole team, will add to his chances of winning, and will not distract his other cars. He pretty much expects all of his drivers to contend for the win every race. I'd lean toward no, it's not his mentality.

Ganassi would be more likely than Penske, but they had a pretty bad experience when they expanded to a 4-car operation and scaled back to 2 pre-2018. If the money's there to back it though, I think they would.

Andretti would do it in a heartbeat.


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That's got to be the GOAT podium :shock:

RIP Niki. Gentleman and legend.


Sad day - but one hell of an achievement to make it to 70 after that crash and all the subsequent problems


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