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And Gasly parks it up on his front wing after clipping the back of Albon.

Glad to see a race going well for Seb

What a race.

Seb needed that!

maverickmak wrote:What a race.

+1

even if the Dutch git won

all I need now is for someone to set that Merc pit stop to the Benny Hill music, & It'll have it all

Bring on the Dutch anthem

Great race!

Well done Red Bull, certainly got the strategy right.

That response by Kvyat

SUPER MAX THE BEST EVER

Put him in a decent car and it's all over red rover

Nabberuk wrote:Well done Red Bull, certainly got the strategy right.

I don't think there was too much strategy to the win in fairness, it came down to a huge dollop of good luck; Max was marginally ahead of Hamilton in making the decision in going back to the inters, & as a result, one finished first, & the other damn near finished last

This will be a flush the dunny race for Merc.

Anonymous. wrote:SUPER MAX THE BEST EVER

Put him in a decent car and it's all over red rover

That's a fact. Hes the best driver

Sandstorm wrote:Yes please for a wet race!

You’re welcome folks

iarmhiman wrote:

Anonymous. wrote:SUPER MAX THE BEST EVER

Put him in a decent car and it's all over red rover

That's a fact. Hes the best driver

Still needs to mature a bit, but hes certainly going to be one of the all time greats

Nabberuk wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:

Anonymous. wrote:SUPER MAX THE BEST EVER

Put him in a decent car and it's all over red rover

That's a fact. Hes the best driver

Still needs to mature a bit, but hes certainly going to be one of the all time greats

I’m a huge fan of Max and he’s great for F1. I wish him well but there’s a lot of racing to be done before he becomes anywhere close to one of the all time greats.

It would be good for him to have a competitive teammate- Gasly has been surprisingly disappointing given his prowess in F2.

Race-start data of both Alfa Romeos, which finished seventh and eighth, "found not being in compliance with Article 27.1 of the sporting regulations" (The driver must drive the car alone and unaided). Referred to the stewards.

Crazy

Nabberuk wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:

Anonymous. wrote:SUPER MAX THE BEST EVER

Put him in a decent car and it's all over red rover

That's a fact. Hes the best driver

Still needs to mature a bit, but hes certainly going to be one of the all time greats

He has already outperformed any young driver in the history of the sport. The only thing keeping him back now is a championship winning car.

At this stage of the season his teammate was expected to be in 6th place and Max in 5th. His teammate is in 6th place but Max is in third with 3 times as many points. Just take a look at the rest of the grid and see the difference between teammates. It's insane

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/dr ... /standings

Interesting race, definitely one to forget for Mercedes. Not your typical wet race, and very much one where luck played it's fair share in the result.

Will be very interesting to see exactly what penalty is handed out to Ferrari - a financial penalty for unsafe release is typical, but given their nature of their last unsafe release and the associated penalty they should be expecting somewhere in excess of 100k Euros.

I do have a general issue with a financial penalty for unsafe release (I understand the penalise the team arguement, but the only penalty a team pays attention to is a time penalty) but the precedent is long established.

Hamilton may have been a bit lucky with only 5 seconds for missing the pit lane entrance, but I'm sure that circumstances were taken into account, not to mention the general chaotic nature of the subsequent pit stop and the additional time lost there.

News from the Stewards Room - both Kimi Raikkonen & Antonio Giovanazzi given 30 sec time penalty, dropping them out of the pts. Lewis Hamilton is now 9th & congrats to @WilliamsRacing & Robert Kubica, 1st Point of the season!

Anonymous. wrote:

Nabberuk wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:

Anonymous. wrote:SUPER MAX THE BEST EVER

Put him in a decent car and it's all over red rover

That's a fact. Hes the best driver

Still needs to mature a bit, but hes certainly going to be one of the all time greats

He has already outperformed any young driver in the history of the sport. The only thing keeping him back now is a championship winning car.

At this stage of the season his teammate was expected to be in 6th place and Max in 5th. His teammate is in 6th place but Max is in third with 3 times as many points. Just take a look at the rest of the grid and see the difference between teammates. It's insane

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/dr ... /standings

He still sometimes has a brain fart though and it wasnt that long ago he was pushing another driver around. He needs to mature a bit which will come with experience.

Saint wrote:Interesting race, definitely one to forget for Mercedes. Not your typical wet race, and very much one where luck played it's fair share in the result.

Will be very interesting to see exactly what penalty is handed out to Ferrari - a financial penalty for unsafe release is typical, but given their nature of their last unsafe release and the associated penalty they should be expecting somewhere in excess of 100k Euros.

I do have a general issue with a financial penalty for unsafe release (I understand the penalise the team arguement, but the only penalty a team pays attention to is a time penalty) but the precedent is long established.

Hamilton may have been a bit lucky with only 5 seconds for missing the pit lane entrance, but I'm sure that circumstances were taken into account, not to mention the general chaotic nature of the subsequent pit stop and the additional time lost there.

RE: The fine, it's a farce. How can Max get a 5 second penalty for the same offence in Monaco yet it was only a team fine this race?

Nabberuk wrote:

Saint wrote:Interesting race, definitely one to forget for Mercedes. Not your typical wet race, and very much one where luck played it's fair share in the result.

Will be very interesting to see exactly what penalty is handed out to Ferrari - a financial penalty for unsafe release is typical, but given their nature of their last unsafe release and the associated penalty they should be expecting somewhere in excess of 100k Euros.

I do have a general issue with a financial penalty for unsafe release (I understand the penalise the team arguement, but the only penalty a team pays attention to is a time penalty) but the precedent is long established.

Hamilton may have been a bit lucky with only 5 seconds for missing the pit lane entrance, but I'm sure that circumstances were taken into account, not to mention the general chaotic nature of the subsequent pit stop and the additional time lost there.

RE: The fine, it's a farce. How can Max get a 5 second penalty for the same offence in Monaco yet it was only a team fine this race?

Not all unsafe releases are the same. In Verstappen's case, he made contact with Bottas and pushed him into the walk, which obviously didn't happen today.

Either way, the Verstappen penalty is the outlier. There were some 10+ unsafe releases in 2018, all of which resulted in financial penalties only (include Kimi breaking the leg of his own engineer)

Anonymous. wrote:

Nabberuk wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:

Anonymous. wrote:SUPER MAX THE BEST EVER

Put him in a decent car and it's all over red rover

That's a fact. Hes the best driver

Still needs to mature a bit, but hes certainly going to be one of the all time greats

He has already outperformed any young driver in the history of the sport. The only thing keeping him back now is a championship winning car.

At this stage of the season his teammate was expected to be in 6th place and Max in 5th. His teammate is in 6th place but Max is in third with 3 times as many points. Just take a look at the rest of the grid and see the difference between teammates. It's insane

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/dr ... /standings

Gasley is shite.

Ok. Ferrari only got a 5,000 Euro penalty. Now I agree that's a joke shop penalty, especially given Ferrari's previous - a safety issue is a meaningless penalty if you have even very shallow pockets, if there's even the slightest chance of track advantage.

Ok. Ferrari only got a 5,000 Euro penalty. Now I agree that's a joke shop penalty, especially given Ferrari's previous - a safety issue is a meaningless penalty if you have even very shallow pockets, if there's even the slightest chance of track advantage.

bimboman wrote:

Anonymous. wrote:

Nabberuk wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:

Anonymous. wrote:SUPER MAX THE BEST EVER

Put him in a decent car and it's all over red rover

That's a fact. Hes the best driver

Still needs to mature a bit, but hes certainly going to be one of the all time greats

He has already outperformed any young driver in the history of the sport. The only thing keeping him back now is a championship winning car.

At this stage of the season his teammate was expected to be in 6th place and Max in 5th. His teammate is in 6th place but Max is in third with 3 times as many points. Just take a look at the rest of the grid and see the difference between teammates. It's insane

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/dr ... /standings

Gasly is shite.

Saint wrote:Ok. Ferrari only got a 5,000 Euro penalty. Now I agree that's a joke shop penalty, especially given Ferrari's previous - a safety issue is a meaningless penalty if you have even very shallow pockets, if there's even the slightest chance of track advantage.

Its waiting for the time a crash happens in the pitlane and a poor pitcrew team member get knocked down.

Was it Leclerc who did the unsafe?

Vettel was very lucky. He was nowehere in the race until the last 2 rounds of pit stops (of like 7). It was only when it dried up a good deal that Vettel managed to do anything noticeable.

fishfoodie wrote:

Nabberuk wrote:Well done Red Bull, certainly got the strategy right.

I don't think there was too much strategy to the win in fairness, it came down to a huge dollop of good luck; Max was marginally ahead of Hamilton in making the decision in going back to the inters, & as a result, one finished first, & the other damn near finished last

Ignoring Hamiltons off road adventures and penalties and horrible team tactics.

Hamilton could have sat out his penalty changed tyres and gone out back on track in same position behind one of the safety cars. How merc didnt see that I dont know.

nardol wrote:

Saint wrote:Ok. Ferrari only got a 5,000 Euro penalty. Now I agree that's a joke shop penalty, especially given Ferrari's previous - a safety issue is a meaningless penalty if you have even very shallow pockets, if there's even the slightest chance of track advantage.

Its waiting for the time a crash happens in the pitlane and a poor pitcrew team member get knocked down.

Was it Leclerc who did the unsafe?

Vettel was very lucky. He was nowehere in the race until the last 2 rounds of pit stops (of like 7). It was only when it dried up a good deal that Vettel managed to do anything noticeable.

Yeah, it was Leclerc. The thing is Ferrari have already managed to knock down a member of the pitcrew, and obviously don't seem to have learned from the 50,000 Euro fine they picked up that time. Exactly what anyone things a 5,000 Euro fine is going to achieve is beyond me

Saint wrote:Ok. Ferrari only got a 5,000 Euro penalty. Now I agree that's a joke shop penalty, especially given Ferrari's previous - a safety issue is a meaningless penalty if you have even very shallow pockets, if there's even the slightest chance of track advantage.

It is a joke indeed - because this way is an incentive to get advantages on the pitlane, if fines are meaningless

AlanBengio wrote:

Saint wrote:Ok. Ferrari only got a 5,000 Euro penalty. Now I agree that's a joke shop penalty, especially given Ferrari's previous - a safety issue is a meaningless penalty if you have even very shallow pockets, if there's even the slightest chance of track advantage.

It is a joke indeed - because this way is an incentive to get advantages on the pitlane, if fines are meaningless

Mitigating factor was that the car that was impeded was pulling in to the pits?

nardol wrote:

AlanBengio wrote:

Saint wrote:Ok. Ferrari only got a 5,000 Euro penalty. Now I agree that's a joke shop penalty, especially given Ferrari's previous - a safety issue is a meaningless penalty if you have even very shallow pockets, if there's even the slightest chance of track advantage.

It is a joke indeed - because this way is an incentive to get advantages on the pitlane, if fines are meaningless

Mitigating factor was that the car that was impeded was pulling in to the pits?

I don;t really see how that makes a difference. This is either a safety issue, in which case the penalty needs to be severe (and that's either a LOT of money or a time penalty - and realistically Ferrari will only care about a time penalty), or it's just a bit of rulebook pen pushing, in which case the penalty sounds about right.

One day soon two cars are going to tangle in the pitlane, shut down the pits for 10 minutes and ruin the race for half the field.

nardol wrote:

fishfoodie wrote:

Nabberuk wrote:Well done Red Bull, certainly got the strategy right.

I don't think there was too much strategy to the win in fairness, it came down to a huge dollop of good luck; Max was marginally ahead of Hamilton in making the decision in going back to the inters, & as a result, one finished first, & the other damn near finished last

Ignoring Hamiltons off road adventures and penalties and horrible team tactics.

Hamilton could have sat out his penalty changed tyres and gone out back on track in same position behind one of the safety cars. How merc didnt see that I dont know.

Merc has a bad day at the office all-round. Toto has as much as put his hands up to that, suggesting that while the whole dressup thing makes for good PR, it's only good PR if it doesn't take any of the focus away from the actual race. How much focus they lost over the weekend is anyone's guess, but they made a lot more mistakes than usual. Lewis being ill undoubtedly didn't help either

Sandstorm wrote:One day soon two cars are going to tangle in the pitlane, shut down the pits for 10 minutes and ruin the race for half the field.

Kubica/Sutil in Hungary in 2010

Saint wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:One day soon two cars are going to tangle in the pitlane, shut down the pits for 10 minutes and ruin the race for half the field.

Kubica/Sutil in Hungary in 2010

Yet in 2019 when driver + pitcrew safety is supposed to be paramount.....

Sandstorm wrote:

Saint wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:One day soon two cars are going to tangle in the pitlane, shut down the pits for 10 minutes and ruin the race for half the field.

Kubica/Sutil in Hungary in 2010

Yet in 2019 when driver + pitcrew safety is supposed to be paramount.....

Exactly

Verstappen first ever poll

Max