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That was actually the stupidest episode yet. And I'll still probably watch the next one, how dumb does that make me?Ted. wrote:Well, that was a great big pile of steaming shit.
Fcuk The Walking Dead?MrJonno wrote:FTWD has some potential.
Actually hasn't stopped you lobbing onto this thread after each episode whinging about itMullet 2 wrote:Yeah, I gave up at the end of the last one.
I was genuinely hoping Negan would kill everyone
Well, the climax, such as it was, followed the comics after all.. Deadline reported last Sunday's season finale was the second lowest finale the show has aired ratings-wise, and a 30% decrease in viewership from the Season 7 finale.
Uthikoloshe wrote:Caaarrrllllllllllll!!!
What do you think needs to change to get it back on track? For me:LandOTurk wrote:Season 8 has been by far the shitest, we can all agree. The first 2-3 episodes in particular were uter dross. It did improve a little, but the penultimate episode on Sunday was back to the dross again. I will watch the season finale on Sunday, unless Scarlets lose and I will be on a major downer lying in bed all day.
Yes, all this and I would add:Balls Out! wrote:What do you think needs to change to get it back on track? For me:LandOTurk wrote:Season 8 has been by far the shitest, we can all agree. The first 2-3 episodes in particular were uter dross. It did improve a little, but the penultimate episode on Sunday was back to the dross again. I will watch the season finale on Sunday, unless Scarlets lose and I will be on a major downer lying in bed all day.
- Clear out all the dull people from the core group: Rick, Michonne, Daryl, and (sometimes) Carol and Eugene are the only interesting ones
- Fewer empty monologues and moralising/ re-moralising about stuff (the Morgan character and his lethal/ non-lethal stick - give me a fxcking break)
- shorter story arcs
- seasons that are less formulaic than 'finding a friendly, safe community, squatting there for a while until they realise these people are actually bad' and and end-of-season faceoff with a video game-type boss
- change of scenery. They've been essentially static for 2(?) seasons now
- some form of plot advancement that points to an ultimate end (e.g. zombies starting to die from decay, some humans being immune to the virus). This is what I thought Eugene was going to bring, or the CDC lab in the earlier season
- Deviation away from the comics (which they've started to do more) - otherwise an entire season's developments can be pretty much telegraphed/ spoiled by anyone daring to read a single article about the show
So nothing major then...
Yet you still keep watchingBalls Out! wrote:one theory is that this person has been bitten by a Whisperer, so hasn't been infected. A bit unlikely though maybe based on (1) the person playing the character's own words (2) since fans were already pissed after the dumpster 'death' fakeout and (3) since the character had started looking pretty sick.tabascoboy wrote:there has been no introduction of next arch evil enemy The Whisperers in the show...so unless the vic makes an unprecedented recovery...
But that character dying would make the 'Old Man Carl' vision just a dream.
Well, whatever happens, the show's been proper shit for ages
Yes. I'm hoping it will improve, because I enjoyed the earlier seasons. In the same way that I keep watching and supporting England from 2003-present.Salient wrote:Yet you still keep watchingBalls Out! wrote:one theory is that this person has been bitten by a Whisperer, so hasn't been infected. A bit unlikely though maybe based on (1) the person playing the character's own words (2) since fans were already pissed after the dumpster 'death' fakeout and (3) since the character had started looking pretty sick.tabascoboy wrote:there has been no introduction of next arch evil enemy The Whisperers in the show...so unless the vic makes an unprecedented recovery...
But that character dying would make the 'Old Man Carl' vision just a dream.
Well, whatever happens, the show's been proper shit for ages
Some good and some bad news for ya with Fear the Walking Dead .... nope not seeing spoiler tags.maxbox wrote:Nope the one with the bro in (Cliff Curtis) haven't seen much of it tbh but it seems a lot more coherent plotwise compared to the shite we are constantly served up by Rick Crimes and co
Actually there seems to be a consensus amongst critics that it's time to kill off Rick, or at least push him far into the background. Also reduce the number of episodes per season and cut down the filler. Make more standalone and stronger stories that don't revolve around Rick and whoever the big bad happens to be at the time, more with Carol or Darryl for example.LandOTurk wrote:Yes, all this and I would add:Balls Out! wrote:What do you think needs to change to get it back on track? For me:LandOTurk wrote:Season 8 has been by far the shitest, we can all agree. The first 2-3 episodes in particular were uter dross. It did improve a little, but the penultimate episode on Sunday was back to the dross again. I will watch the season finale on Sunday, unless Scarlets lose and I will be on a major downer lying in bed all day.
- Clear out all the dull people from the core group: Rick, Michonne, Daryl, and (sometimes) Carol and Eugene are the only interesting ones
- Fewer empty monologues and moralising/ re-moralising about stuff (the Morgan character and his lethal/ non-lethal stick - give me a fxcking break)
- shorter story arcs
- seasons that are less formulaic than 'finding a friendly, safe community, squatting there for a while until they realise these people are actually bad' and and end-of-season faceoff with a video game-type boss
- change of scenery. They've been essentially static for 2(?) seasons now
- some form of plot advancement that points to an ultimate end (e.g. zombies starting to die from decay, some humans being immune to the virus). This is what I thought Eugene was going to bring, or the CDC lab in the earlier season
- Deviation away from the comics (which they've started to do more) - otherwise an entire season's developments can be pretty much telegraphed/ spoiled by anyone daring to read a single article about the show
So nothing major then...
- Some of the editing has been woeful. One of the earlier episodes in season 8 looked so cheap it was nasty.
- a bit more realism - if Negan is 100' away from you, you can actually shoot him
- zombies that are incredulousy slow and weak, suddenly become strong and fast
- eradicate great swathes of zombies by tying a wire between two buses and touring Atlanta (the cities surely have the best resources still) / set traps
- more flies and bad teeth after years surviving amongst rotten flesh
- a fight breaks out and one of the main characters pops another and then regrets it - they are all under great tension
- Michonne admitting she likes anal; Daryl coming clean too - the dirty bastard
- petrol 'goes bad' after so much time - so incorporate this
- a clear explanation of how teh fudge the military was beaten
- a clear explanation of why they can't build walls
etc etc
But y'know, what if there aren't many more depths to plumb with this guy? Rick's not especially shrewd or thoughtful, and if this season has proven anything, it's that a lot of his success is due to dumb luck. Even in this year's finale, his army was lured into a trap, and would've been wiped out if their old friend Eugene hadn't secretly sabotaged the Saviors' weapons. Frankly, it's getting harder and harder to understand why anyone follows Rick – including the show's writers.
I agree with everything you/ the article say *except* the stuff about Rick. In my view, the issue is they've actually pushed him too far into the background already with the over-inflated cast and now we've lost narrative focus, the plot just kind of meanders. The show was at its strongest when he was the central figure, and surely no one can argue that he gets more/ the same amount of story time in Season 8 as he did in, say, Season 4. I've seen people say that he should go because he's too dark now - well, Breaking Bad didn't exactly suffer because of an anti-hero at the centre.Actually there seems to be a consensus amongst critics that it's time to kill off Rick, or at least push him far into the background. Also reduce the number of episodes per season and cut down the filler. Make more standalone and stronger stories that don't revolve around Rick and whoever the big bad happens to be at the time, more with Carol or Darryl for example.
This article amongst many also suggests what others here on the thread have said: https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/th ... ow-w519044
Perhaps because the show continues to rely on the comics for source material? Seems to me the show needs new writing/acting blood and to take a few chances because with no end game even the main arc just meanders constantly around: find a safe place, oh look a new big bad threatens, some sort of vague resolution. The show is still pretty successful despite falling audience figures though so I can't see them changing the formula unless cast and crew all decide they've had enough and we get a proper last act and conclusion.Balls Out! wrote:I agree with everything you/ the article say *except* the stuff about Rick. In my view, the issue is they've actually pushed him too far into the background already with the over-inflated cast and now we've lost narrative focus, the plot just kind of meanders. The show was at its strongest when he was the central figure, and surely no one can argue that he gets more/ the same amount of story time in Season 8 as he did in, say, Season 4. I've seen people say that he should go because he's too dark now - well, Breaking Bad didn't exactly suffer because of an anti-hero at the centre.Actually there seems to be a consensus amongst critics that it's time to kill off Rick, or at least push him far into the background. Also reduce the number of episodes per season and cut down the filler. Make more standalone and stronger stories that don't revolve around Rick and whoever the big bad happens to be at the time, more with Carol or Darryl for example.
This article amongst many also suggests what others here on the thread have said: https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/th ... ow-w519044
Daryl's a really interesting, unconventional character as the gruff-but-good hillbilly; ditto mouse-to-lion Carol. But I really don't think that they (and the actors playing them, for that matter) have the range to carry the show in Rick/ Lincoln's absence. I don't think anyone in the current cast (character or actor) does, really
Green - yep, and we've said this a number of times in this thread. My suggested 'fix' is - deviate further (still) from the comics, pull the focus back to Rick, and start pointing towards a finish - even if that finish is 10 seasons away, we just need a clue to an end game. I think the comic writer has said that, for now, he intends to continue ad infinitum (which I hate in storytelling).tabascoboy wrote:Perhaps because the show continues to rely on the comics for source material? Seems to me the show needs new writing/acting blood and to take a few chances because with no end game even the main arc just meanders constantly around: find a safe place, oh look a new big bad threatens, some sort of vague resolution. The show is still pretty successful despite falling audience figures though so I can't see them changing the formula unless cast and crew all decide they've had enough and we get a proper last act and conclusion.Balls Out! wrote:I agree with everything you/ the article say *except* the stuff about Rick. In my view, the issue is they've actually pushed him too far into the background already with the over-inflated cast and now we've lost narrative focus, the plot just kind of meanders. The show was at its strongest when he was the central figure, and surely no one can argue that he gets more/ the same amount of story time in Season 8 as he did in, say, Season 4. I've seen people say that he should go because he's too dark now - well, Breaking Bad didn't exactly suffer because of an anti-hero at the centre.Actually there seems to be a consensus amongst critics that it's time to kill off Rick, or at least push him far into the background. Also reduce the number of episodes per season and cut down the filler. Make more standalone and stronger stories that don't revolve around Rick and whoever the big bad happens to be at the time, more with Carol or Darryl for example.
This article amongst many also suggests what others here on the thread have said: https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/th ... ow-w519044
Daryl's a really interesting, unconventional character as the gruff-but-good hillbilly; ditto mouse-to-lion Carol. But I really don't think that they (and the actors playing them, for that matter) have the range to carry the show in Rick/ Lincoln's absence. I don't think anyone in the current cast (character or actor) does, really
So much colour I had to super highlight.Balls Out! wrote:Green - yep, and we've said this a number of times in this thread. My suggested 'fix' is - deviate further (still) from the comics, pull the focus back to Rick, and start pointing towards a finish - even if that finish is 10 seasons away, we just need a clue to an end game. I think the comic writer has said that, for now, he intends to continue ad infinitum (which I hate in storytelling).tabascoboy wrote:Perhaps because the show continues to rely on the comics for source material? Seems to me the show needs new writing/acting blood and to take a few chances because with no end game even the main arc just meanders constantly around: find a safe place, oh look a new big bad threatens, some sort of vague resolution. The show is still pretty successful despite falling audience figures though so I can't see them changing the formula unless cast and crew all decide they've had enough and we get a proper last act and conclusion.Balls Out! wrote:I agree with everything you/ the article say *except* the stuff about Rick. In my view, the issue is they've actually pushed him too far into the background already with the over-inflated cast and now we've lost narrative focus, the plot just kind of meanders. The show was at its strongest when he was the central figure, and surely no one can argue that he gets more/ the same amount of story time in Season 8 as he did in, say, Season 4. I've seen people say that he should go because he's too dark now - well, Breaking Bad didn't exactly suffer because of an anti-hero at the centre.Actually there seems to be a consensus amongst critics that it's time to kill off Rick, or at least push him far into the background. Also reduce the number of episodes per season and cut down the filler. Make more standalone and stronger stories that don't revolve around Rick and whoever the big bad happens to be at the time, more with Carol or Darryl for example.
This article amongst many also suggests what others here on the thread have said: https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/th ... ow-w519044
Daryl's a really interesting, unconventional character as the gruff-but-good hillbilly; ditto mouse-to-lion Carol. But I really don't think that they (and the actors playing them, for that matter) have the range to carry the show in Rick/ Lincoln's absence. I don't think anyone in the current cast (character or actor) does, really
Purple - or if the network thinks they can get more advertising $$$ from putting another show in that primetime, flagship spot. AMC already has a good product stable and you can only think they're going to have more good shows in future
I don't know, I'm much more of a fan of the new season (And the whole series TBH).MrJonno wrote:And now FTWD has gone off the rails with the Zombies co-operating to undertake pointless tasks and tracking down the protagonists of the episode
I fast forwarded through the episode, cutting out pretty much all dialogue, and the obvious Ezekiel fake-out. I don't think I missed a thing.tabascoboy wrote:So Season 9 has started, if anyone still cares.
So I wasn't hearing things thenMrJonno wrote:Its got worse, it skipped 5 years ahead and the zombies can now talk and people are raising their kids to be annoying precocious idiots
No, the Whisperers have arrived.hurricane g wrote:So I wasn't hearing things thenMrJonno wrote:Its got worse, it skipped 5 years ahead and the zombies can now talk and people are raising their kids to be annoying precocious idiots
How are you still watching this - you've been panning it for 3 or 4 seasons at this stageMrJonno wrote:Its got worse, it skipped 5 years ahead and the zombies can now talk and people are raising their kids to be annoying precocious idiots
It's one of the most boring TV show's I've ever watched. Every season is like 75% filler. Filler action, filler dialogue. They just pad the episodes out with any old shit so they can stretch it out to sell more advertising slots.MrJonno wrote:Its got worse, it skipped 5 years ahead and the zombies can now talk and people are raising their kids to be annoying precocious idiots
That's a fair question. I don't ducking know. Maybe it's like crack. It's the only think I watch I actually dislike.Boxcar Ira wrote:How are you still watching this - you've been panning it for 3 or 4 seasons at this stageMrJonno wrote:Its got worse, it skipped 5 years ahead and the zombies can now talk and people are raising their kids to be annoying precocious idiots
Sadly, tactical genius Rick is gone. That is half you material gone right there.MrJonno wrote:I do enjoy panning it though
Mr Mike wrote:No, the Whisperers have arrived.hurricane g wrote:So I wasn't hearing things thenMrJonno wrote:Its got worse, it skipped 5 years ahead and the zombies can now talk and people are raising their kids to be annoying precocious idiots