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Is dogfighting even a significant part of the doctrine of modern air forces? Most engagements should be beyond visible range given the technology that available compared to the 70s/80s Top Gun stuff.

Plus, how likely is it that two equally well equipped air forces are going to come into direct conflict? Everything seems to be assymetric these days.


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Is dogfighting even a significant part of the doctrine of modern air forces? Most engagements should be beyond visible range given the technology that available compared to the 70s/80s Top Gun stuff.

Plus, how likely is it that two equally well equipped air forces are going to come into direct conflict? Everything seems to be assymetric these days.


Plenty of gunfighters still left in the decision area who remember 'Nam and the lack of cannon on the first Phantoms.

Hence why the F35 and F22 still have cannon installed.


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What a beautiful photo. Vermont? Quebec?


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What a beautiful photo. Vermont? Quebec?

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Kiap - was very nearly the exact caption!


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Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Is dogfighting even a significant part of the doctrine of modern air forces? Most engagements should be beyond visible range given the technology that available compared to the 70s/80s Top Gun stuff.

Plus, how likely is it that two equally well equipped air forces are going to come into direct conflict? Everything seems to be assymetric these days.


Plenty of gunfighters still left in the decision area who remember 'Nam and the lack of cannon on the first Phantoms.

Hence why the F35 and F22 still have cannon installed.


Better to have and not need. If you've unloaded all 12 missiles and somebody else is still shooting at you...


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Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Is dogfighting even a significant part of the doctrine of modern air forces? Most engagements should be beyond visible range given the technology that available compared to the 70s/80s Top Gun stuff.

Plus, how likely is it that two equally well equipped air forces are going to come into direct conflict? Everything seems to be assymetric these days.


Plenty of gunfighters still left in the decision area who remember 'Nam and the lack of cannon on the first Phantoms.

Hence why the F35 and F22 still have cannon installed.


There’s never a bad time to be a fighter pilot. :thumbup:


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Nolanator wrote:
Is dogfighting even a significant part of the doctrine of modern air forces? Most engagements should be beyond visible range given the technology that available compared to the 70s/80s Top Gun stuff.

Plus, how likely is it that two equally well equipped air forces are going to come into direct conflict? Everything seems to be assymetric these days.


Plenty of gunfighters still left in the decision area who remember 'Nam and the lack of cannon on the first Phantoms.

Hence why the F35 and F22 still have cannon installed.


There’s never a bad time to be a fighter pilot. :thumbup:



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While the real RFC pilots probably had their fun, I imagine being a Russian fighter pilot in 1941-42 (at least) sucked large.


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... which led me to two posters I want!!!

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Never though I'd see Obama, Trump and John Kerry in the same photo.


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Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Is dogfighting even a significant part of the doctrine of modern air forces? Most engagements should be beyond visible range given the technology that available compared to the 70s/80s Top Gun stuff.

Plus, how likely is it that two equally well equipped air forces are going to come into direct conflict? Everything seems to be assymetric these days.


Plenty of gunfighters still left in the decision area who remember 'Nam and the lack of cannon on the first Phantoms.

Hence why the F35 and F22 still have cannon installed.


Yeah - they might even be useful if they actually carried an ammo load. The F22 carries enough ammo for a single 4 second burst, the f35a about half that. The b and c don't even.have a cannon installed - if they need it there's an external steal the weapons of for the canon and amm9


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Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Is dogfighting even a significant part of the doctrine of modern air forces? Most engagements should be beyond visible range given the technology that available compared to the 70s/80s Top Gun stuff.

Plus, how likely is it that two equally well equipped air forces are going to come into direct conflict? Everything seems to be assymetric these days.


Plenty of gunfighters still left in the decision area who remember 'Nam and the lack of cannon on the first Phantoms.

Hence why the F35 and F22 still have cannon installed.


Yeah - they might even be useful if they actually carried an ammo load. The F22 carries enough ammo for a single 4 second burst, the f35a about half that. The b and c don't even.have a cannon installed - if they need it there's an external steal the weapons of for the canon and amm9


Typical for fighter jocks really; more interested in getting their jollies flying, than worrying about the actual utility of the aircraft as a weapon !

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Just strap two hundred of these bad boys onto the nose, & ditch the cannon.

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Charlie Bassett stood out, both visually and as a lawman, in the “Peace Commission” that gathered to keep Luke Short in business as the owner of the Long Branch Saloon in Dodge City, Kansas. (From left, seated) Charlie Bassett, Wyatt Earp, Frank McLean and Neil Brown. (Standing) William H. Harris, Luke Short, Bat Masterson and William F. Petillon.


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This is my great grandfather and his brothers (not sure which is which because there's no writing on any of his three dozen photos! :(( ). I certainly hope they were law-abiding like the above and not like the more famous Hole in the Wall Gang photo (bottom). Someone asked me about the pins and medals recently and I have no clue what they're for. I'm told you could get a fancy looking medal for being good at local sport back then, so ...

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Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Is dogfighting even a significant part of the doctrine of modern air forces? Most engagements should be beyond visible range given the technology that available compared to the 70s/80s Top Gun stuff.

Plus, how likely is it that two equally well equipped air forces are going to come into direct conflict? Everything seems to be assymetric these days.


Plenty of gunfighters still left in the decision area who remember 'Nam and the lack of cannon on the first Phantoms.

Hence why the F35 and F22 still have cannon installed.


Yeah - they might even be useful if they actually carried an ammo load. The F22 carries enough ammo for a single 4 second burst, the f35a about half that. The b and c don't even.have a cannon installed - if they need it there's an external steal the weapons of for the canon and amm9


The F22 carries an M61 Vulcan cannon. How much ammo do you expect them to carry? Your 'single 4 second burst' is almost 500 rounds and weighs about 60 kg. They wouldn't strap 60 kg of lead bricks to an airplane unless they really thought it was necessary


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