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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:33 am 
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Our No 8. Juarno Augustus is an absolute machine.


He's great. I want to see him in the Currie Cup, he's too good for U21.


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Junior Boks were unrecognisable from the game against France, which they really should have lost. It just shows the value of doing the basics right before trying to be too adventurous.


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Eish. Hope the baby Boks get the same kind of possession in the games left. And enjoy the same lack of defense that Argie showcased. .


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I've never seen a baby Bok side play that type of rugby before. A talented backline, full of ball players, given license to express themselves and playing with confidence. They usually play an overly structured, dour game which underutilises their skills and relies on them simply being more physical and better organised than their opposition (which is how they played against France).

I don't think they'll win the comp but it's a refreshing change. We need to develop players who can think for themselves and back their abilities. The talent is clearly there.

Well Sunny, I wacthed these kids on schoolboy level and know they will bring change to our rugby. Sardyn jump up and down about Bosch because he play for the Sharks.

Vok I have seen him destroy Paul Roos on Markotter on his own playing for Grey High. Lambaard and a whole bunch of Boishaaiers (most are at the Lions) coming through the ranks. Willemse & Vermeulen from Paul Roos is just phenomenal talents.

Papier is a Malmesbury kid, poached by the Bulls since his schooldays.

They are all players of colour and need to get through our systems. Once they at senior level you'll see a much brigher future for our rugby.

Johan Grobbelaar (nr 2) played goalie with my sons hockey team at Prymary school.


:thumbup: Always rewarding seeing players come through the system from junior days.

Every player in the backline was non-white and all there on merit - fantastic to see. Just a pity us Souties are being increasingly squeezed out of the game in SA.


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Just a pity us Souties are being increasingly squeezed out of the game in SA.

Sacs doing great in WP this year.Put 100 up vs Durbanville & beat Paarl Gym. Heard through the grapevines some coaches at school level earns close to R1 Mil p.a. Kicking coaches R400,000 p.a.


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I've never seen a baby Bok side play that type of rugby before. A talented backline, full of ball players, given license to express themselves and playing with confidence. They usually play an overly structured, dour game which underutilises their skills and relies on them simply being more physical and better organised than their opposition (which is how they played against France).

I don't think they'll win the comp but it's a refreshing change. We need to develop players who can think for themselves and back their abilities. The talent is clearly there.

Well Sunny, I wacthed these kids on schoolboy level and know they will bring change to our rugby. Sardyn jump up and down about Bosch because he play for the Sharks.

Vok I have seen him destroy Paul Roos on Markotter on his own playing for Grey High. Lambaard and a whole bunch of Boishaaiers (most are at the Lions) coming through the ranks. Willemse & Vermeulen from Paul Roos is just phenomenal talents.

Papier is a Malmesbury kid, poached by the Bulls since his schooldays.

They are all players of colour and need to get through our systems. Once they at senior level you'll see a much brigher future for our rugby.

Johan Grobbelaar (nr 2) played goalie with my sons hockey team at Prymary school.


:thumbup: Always rewarding seeing players come through the system from junior days.

Every player in the backline was non-white and all there on merit - fantastic to see. Just a pity us Souties are being increasingly squeezed out of the game in SA.


:lol:

Following the Boere, eh ?
(Bok captain is a Boere-Soutie, a 50/50 boy from the Bluff, with an English dad and Afrikaner mom)


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 Post subject: Re: Baby Boks
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The semi-final will be hosted at the M. Meskhi Stadium in Tbilisi at 16:00 (SA time) and will be broadcast live on SuperSport 1 (Channel 201). New Zealand will face France in the second semi-final, which starts at 18:30 (SA time).

Junior Springboks:
15 Manie Libbok, 14 Yaw Penxe, 13 Wandisile Simelane, 12 Damian Willemse, 11 Gianni Lombard, 10 Curwin Bosch, 9 Embrose Papier, 8 Juarno Augustus, 7 Ernst van Rhyn (captain), 6 Len Massyn, 5 Ruben van Heerden, 4 Salmaan Moerat, 3 Carlu Sadie, 2 Johan Grobbelaar, 1 Kwenzo Blose

Substitutes: 16 Gerhard Steenekamp, 17 Daniel Jooste, 18 Lee-Marvin Mazibuko, 19 Reinhard Nothnagel, 20 Muller Uys, 21 Francois de Villiers, 22 Stedman Gans, 23 Jeanluc Cilliers


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 Post subject: Re: Baby Boks
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Looking forward to this


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 Post subject: Re: Baby Boks
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I hate it when rugby people in SA say we have the best young players in the world by far when it is obvious that we don't.


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Any links to this match or is it done already?


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 Post subject: Re: Baby Boks
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Found.

http://www.worldrugby.org/u20/video/256493


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 Post subject: Re: Baby Boks
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That's how some kak kicking can cost you a match. :x

Oh well, at least Willemse can get back to training at flyhalf for the Stormers now.


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A question. Is Lebok one of ouboets bolter Springboks


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A question. Is Lebok one of ouboets bolter Springboks

Don't talk Kak, obvious the follow Papier and Bosch kicking example. The Baby Blacks would have killed us with that gameplan


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 Post subject: Re: Baby Boks
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A question. Is Lebok one of ouboets bolter Springboks

Don't talk Kak, obvious the follow Papier and Bosch kicking example. The Baby Blacks would have killed us with that gameplan

So the answe is yes.


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A question. Is Lebok one of ouboets bolter Springboks

Don't talk Kak, obvious the follow Papier and Bosch kicking example. The Baby Blacks would have killed us with that gameplan


Manie was terrible.


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Sards wrote:
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A question. Is Lebok one of ouboets bolter Springboks

Don't talk Kak, obvious the follow Papier and Bosch kicking example. The Baby Blacks would have killed us with that gameplan

So the answe is yes.

Kak man Libbok is not from the good Boland schools


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 Post subject: Re: Baby Boks
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I hate it when rugby people in SA say we have the best young players in the world by far when it is obvious that we don't.


The Baby Boks missed out on the final because the backs had a bad day . Their execution was poor, their decision making was poor and they just didn't gel today. Still, they only lost by 2 points to the 6N champions.

Tough luck to them but to write them off is ludicrous


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Still, they only lost by 2 points to the 6N champions.

Tough luck to them but to write them off is ludicrous
Yep, there are plenty of u19s in the team. Hopefully they will learn from this. However we have to move away from the kicking. There were some game breakers in that backline.


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Still, they only lost by 2 points to the 6N champions.

Tough luck to them but to write them off is ludicrous
Yep, there are plenty of u19s in the team. Hopefully they will learn from this. However we have to move away from the kicking. There were some game breakers in that backline.


The kicking wasn't necessarily the issue, the kak kicking was. Had we executed that aspect better it would have resulted in us having to kick less and a win.


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Still, they only lost by 2 points to the 6N champions.

Tough luck to them but to write them off is ludicrous
Yep, there are plenty of u19s in the team. Hopefully they will learn from this. However we have to move away from the kicking. There were some game breakers in that backline.


The kicking wasn't necessarily the issue, the kak kicking was. Had we executed that aspect better it would have resulted in us having to kick less and a win.


Agree completely. Those forwards would have given Libbok a smack in the changeroom


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Sards wrote:
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Still, they only lost by 2 points to the 6N champions.

Tough luck to them but to write them off is ludicrous
Yep, there are plenty of u19s in the team. Hopefully they will learn from this. However we have to move away from the kicking. There were some game breakers in that backline.


The kicking wasn't necessarily the issue, the kak kicking was. Had we executed that aspect better it would have resulted in us having to kick less and a win.


Agree completely. Those forwards would have given Libbok a smack in the changeroom


Only Libbok? I think all the backs were at fault but Libbok and Bosch were especially poor


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Fcuk me, but Bosch is useless!!!

Those who see him as Boks saviour flyhalf need to watch and re-watch this game.

That abortion of an attempted drop goal sums him up: Glory boy with far less talent than he thinks he has. Shades of Gaffie du Toit :blush:

Hope he fcuks off to France


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Fcuk me, but Bosch is useless!!!

Those who see him as Boks saviour flyhalf need to watch and re-watch this game.

That abortion of an attempted drop goal sums him up: Glory boy with far less talent than he thinks he has. Shades of Gaffie du Toit :blush:

Hope he fcuks off to France

10 minutes before the end of the game we need to clear our lines and kicks into the ruck 5 meters in front of him :x


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Jensrsa wrote:
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Still, they only lost by 2 points to the 6N champions.

Tough luck to them but to write them off is ludicrous
Yep, there are plenty of u19s in the team. Hopefully they will learn from this. However we have to move away from the kicking. There were some game breakers in that backline.


The kicking wasn't necessarily the issue, the kak kicking was. Had we executed that aspect better it would have resulted in us having to kick less and a win.


Agree completely. Those forwards would have given Libbok a smack in the changeroom


Only Libbok? I think all the backs were at fault but Libbok and Bosch were especially poor

Libbok costs us valuable territory and possession in the last 15 minutes. 1 kick over the deadball line, 1 kickoff directly into touch, a knock in our 22.


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I hate it when rugby people in SA say we have the best young players in the world by far when it is obvious that we don't.


The Baby Boks missed out on the final because the backs had a bad day . Their execution was poor, their decision making was poor and they just didn't gel today. Still, they only lost by 2 points to the 6N champions.

Tough luck to them but to write them off is ludicrous

Where have I written the off? Simply stated they are not the world beaters we all seem to think they are.


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Jensrsa wrote:
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Still, they only lost by 2 points to the 6N champions.

Tough luck to them but to write them off is ludicrous
Yep, there are plenty of u19s in the team. Hopefully they will learn from this. However we have to move away from the kicking. There were some game breakers in that backline.


The kicking wasn't necessarily the issue, the kak kicking was. Had we executed that aspect better it would have resulted in us having to kick less and a win.


Agree completely. Those forwards would have given Libbok a smack in the changeroom


Only Libbok? I think all the backs were at fault but Libbok and Bosch were especially poor


You are a doos.


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Watched the final with a few knowledgeable rugby mates. 20 minutes in to the 2nd half and we were all bitching about the amount of ball we were kicking away. We kicked too much and our kicking was poor. When we carried the ball we made good metres. It was obviously the coaches instruction once we were in the lead to kick for territory and play in the English half. Our usual negative tactic instead of going for the kill.

The Baby Boks were superior to England in that second half but poor execution and composure lost the game. Lots of positives though, there is some real talent. The more I see Bosch play the more I think he is not up to playing at a high level. I made an effort to keep an eye on him for a few minutes to see what he does when he is not in play. I noticed he could have got into position to catch a few kicks and make a tackle but made no effort, in fact on one occasion moved in the opposite direction to avoid being involved. You cant hide at this level.


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Watched the final with a few knowledgeable rugby mates. 20 minutes in to the 2nd half and we were all bitching about the amount of ball we were kicking away. We kicked too much and our kicking was poor. When we carried the ball we made good metres. It was obviously the coaches instruction once we were in the lead to kick for territory and play in the English half. Our usual negative tactic instead of going for the kill.

The Baby Boks were superior to England in that second half but poor execution and composure lost the game. Lots of positives though, there is some real talent. The more I see Bosch play the more I think he is not up to playing at a high level. I made an effort to keep an eye on him for a few minutes to see what he does when he is not in play. I noticed he could have got into position to catch a few kicks and make a tackle but made no effort, in fact on one occasion moved in the opposite direction to avoid being involved. You cant hide at this level.


According to Sards you are a doos too :)


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Watched the final with a few knowledgeable rugby mates. 20 minutes in to the 2nd half and we were all bitching about the amount of ball we were kicking away. We kicked too much and our kicking was poor. When we carried the ball we made good metres. It was obviously the coaches instruction once we were in the lead to kick for territory and play in the English half. Our usual negative tactic instead of going for the kill.

The Baby Boks were superior to England in that second half but poor execution and composure lost the game. Lots of positives though, there is some real talent. The more I see Bosch play the more I think he is not up to playing at a high level. I made an effort to keep an eye on him for a few minutes to see what he does when he is not in play. I noticed he could have got into position to catch a few kicks and make a tackle but made no effort, in fact on one occasion moved in the opposite direction to avoid being involved. You cant hide at this level.


According to Sards you are a doos too :)
Then he criticize Willemse defense. I am telling you if Dimian played 10 & Lombaard in 15 it would have been a total different story.

SA rugby needs a running 10 not another kicking one


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Watched the final with a few knowledgeable rugby mates. 20 minutes in to the 2nd half and we were all bitching about the amount of ball we were kicking away. We kicked too much and our kicking was poor. When we carried the ball we made good metres. It was obviously the coaches instruction once we were in the lead to kick for territory and play in the English half. Our usual negative tactic instead of going for the kill.

The Baby Boks were superior to England in that second half but poor execution and composure lost the game. Lots of positives though, there is some real talent. The more I see Bosch play the more I think he is not up to playing at a high level. I made an effort to keep an eye on him for a few minutes to see what he does when he is not in play. I noticed he could have got into position to catch a few kicks and make a tackle but made no effort, in fact on one occasion moved in the opposite direction to avoid being involved. You cant hide at this level.

Saw this as well. Can't be afraid of contact at this level.


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Watched the final with a few knowledgeable rugby mates. 20 minutes in to the 2nd half and we were all bitching about the amount of ball we were kicking away. We kicked too much and our kicking was poor. When we carried the ball we made good metres. It was obviously the coaches instruction once we were in the lead to kick for territory and play in the English half. Our usual negative tactic instead of going for the kill.

The Baby Boks were superior to England in that second half but poor execution and composure lost the game. Lots of positives though, there is some real talent. The more I see Bosch play the more I think he is not up to playing at a high level. I made an effort to keep an eye on him for a few minutes to see what he does when he is not in play. I noticed he could have got into position to catch a few kicks and make a tackle but made no effort, in fact on one occasion moved in the opposite direction to avoid being involved. You cant hide at this level.

Saw this as well. Can't be afraid of contact at this level.


He was very disappointing. The panicked DG with 3 mins to go said it all.


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Watched the final with a few knowledgeable rugby mates. 20 minutes in to the 2nd half and we were all bitching about the amount of ball we were kicking away. We kicked too much and our kicking was poor. When we carried the ball we made good metres. It was obviously the coaches instruction once we were in the lead to kick for territory and play in the English half. Our usual negative tactic instead of going for the kill.

The Baby Boks were superior to England in that second half but poor execution and composure lost the game. Lots of positives though, there is some real talent. The more I see Bosch play the more I think he is not up to playing at a high level. I made an effort to keep an eye on him for a few minutes to see what he does when he is not in play. I noticed he could have got into position to catch a few kicks and make a tackle but made no effort, in fact on one occasion moved in the opposite direction to avoid being involved. You cant hide at this level.

Saw this as well. Can't be afraid of contact at this level.


He was very disappointing. The panicked DG with 3 mins to go said it all.


Well, that and the 10 other times a rushed kick got charged down in the match. Not sure if it was poor positional play by the kickers, or poor blocking around the rucks by the forwards. Probably both, but still reflected poorly on all the backline players. As they advance up the ladder that time and space in the pocket will become less and less. Bosch in particular doesn't seem to be one of those flyhalves that can manufacture time and space in the pocket.


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Watched the final with a few knowledgeable rugby mates. 20 minutes in to the 2nd half and we were all bitching about the amount of ball we were kicking away. We kicked too much and our kicking was poor. When we carried the ball we made good metres. It was obviously the coaches instruction once we were in the lead to kick for territory and play in the English half. Our usual negative tactic instead of going for the kill.

The Baby Boks were superior to England in that second half but poor execution and composure lost the game. Lots of positives though, there is some real talent. The more I see Bosch play the more I think he is not up to playing at a high level. I made an effort to keep an eye on him for a few minutes to see what he does when he is not in play. I noticed he could have got into position to catch a few kicks and make a tackle but made no effort, in fact on one occasion moved in the opposite direction to avoid being involved. You cant hide at this level.

Saw this as well. Can't be afraid of contact at this level.


He was very disappointing. The panicked DG with 3 mins to go said it all.


Well, that and the 10 other times a rushed kick got charged down in the match. Not sure if it was poor positional play by the kickers, or poor blocking around the rucks by the forwards. Probably both, but still reflected poorly on all the backline players. As they advance up the ladder that time and space in the pocket will become less and less. Bosch in particular doesn't seem to be one of those flyhalves that can manufacture time and space in the pocket.


That being said....he's 19. Happy to give him time to develop.


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I hate it that our most exciting backs are always undersized.


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Well, that and the 10 other times a rushed kick got charged down in the match. Not sure if it was poor positional play by the kickers, or poor blocking around the rucks by the forwards. Probably both, but still reflected poorly on all the backline players. As they advance up the ladder that time and space in the pocket will become less and less. Bosch in particular doesn't seem to be one of those flyhalves that can manufacture time and space in the pocket.


That being said....he's 19. Happy to give him time to develop.


Maybe, but it sometimes seems to me that this ability is an innate ability. A 6th sense that potentially great flyhalves have. Maybe I'm wrong and if I am our current batch needs to develop some ASAP.


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Curwan Bosch is a full back.

He had a bad day, this dont make him a bad player. He is a gifted player and will learn from this.


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I haven't watched any of the Baby Boks games, but I can't believe how the knives are out for Bosch. There is even a journo on News24 saying he's not up to it.

How is it that he can excel so much in Super Rugby yet not so much in U20 rugby? To give him the benefit of the doubt, perhaps it's because he doesn't have the same quality players around him.


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I haven't watched any of the Baby Boks games, but I can't believe how the knives are out for Bosch. There is even a journo on News24 saying he's not up to it.

How is it that he can excel so much in Super Rugby yet not so much in U20 rugby? To give him the benefit of the doubt, perhaps it's because he doesn't have the same quality players around him.
It was the coach game plan. They should just left them playing their natural game.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:10 pm 
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assfly wrote:
I haven't watched any of the Baby Boks games, but I can't believe how the knives are out for Bosch. There is even a journo on News24 saying he's not up to it.

How is it that he can excel so much in Super Rugby yet not so much in U20 rugby? To give him the benefit of the doubt, perhaps it's because he doesn't have the same quality players around him.

It's quite bizarre really. Was it Catman who said Bosch should fark off to France? Are we not possibly being being too hard on these boys.


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