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Beaver_Shark wrote:Our No 8. Juarno Augustus is an absolute machine.

Slider wrote:Junior Boks were unrecognisable from the game against France, which they really should have lost. It just shows the value of doing the basics right before trying to be too adventurous.

OomPB wrote:

sunnybanana wrote:I've never seen a baby Bok side play that type of rugby before. A talented backline, full of ball players, given license to express themselves and playing with confidence. They usually play an overly structured, dour game which underutilises their skills and relies on them simply being more physical and better organised than their opposition (which is how they played against France).

I don't think they'll win the comp but it's a refreshing change. We need to develop players who can think for themselves and back their abilities. The talent is clearly there.

Well Sunny, I wacthed these kids on schoolboy level and know they will bring change to our rugby. Sardyn jump up and down about Bosch because he play for the Sharks.

Vok I have seen him destroy Paul Roos on Markotter on his own playing for Grey High. Lambaard and a whole bunch of Boishaaiers (most are at the Lions) coming through the ranks. Willemse & Vermeulen from Paul Roos is just phenomenal talents.

Papier is a Malmesbury kid, poached by the Bulls since his schooldays.

They are all players of colour and need to get through our systems. Once they at senior level you'll see a much brigher future for our rugby.

Johan Grobbelaar (nr 2) played goalie with my sons hockey team at Prymary school.

sunnybanana wrote: Just a pity us Souties are being increasingly squeezed out of the game in SA.

sunnybanana wrote:

OomPB wrote:

sunnybanana wrote:I've never seen a baby Bok side play that type of rugby before. A talented backline, full of ball players, given license to express themselves and playing with confidence. They usually play an overly structured, dour game which underutilises their skills and relies on them simply being more physical and better organised than their opposition (which is how they played against France).

I don't think they'll win the comp but it's a refreshing change. We need to develop players who can think for themselves and back their abilities. The talent is clearly there.

Well Sunny, I wacthed these kids on schoolboy level and know they will bring change to our rugby. Sardyn jump up and down about Bosch because he play for the Sharks.

Vok I have seen him destroy Paul Roos on Markotter on his own playing for Grey High. Lambaard and a whole bunch of Boishaaiers (most are at the Lions) coming through the ranks. Willemse & Vermeulen from Paul Roos is just phenomenal talents.

Papier is a Malmesbury kid, poached by the Bulls since his schooldays.

They are all players of colour and need to get through our systems. Once they at senior level you'll see a much brigher future for our rugby.

Johan Grobbelaar (nr 2) played goalie with my sons hockey team at Prymary school.

Always rewarding seeing players come through the system from junior days.

Every player in the backline was non-white and all there on merit - fantastic to see. Just a pity us Souties are being increasingly squeezed out of the game in SA.

The semi-final will be hosted at the M. Meskhi Stadium in Tbilisi at 16:00 (SA time) and will be broadcast live on SuperSport 1 (Channel 201). New Zealand will face France in the second semi-final, which starts at 18:30 (SA time).

Junior Springboks:
15 Manie Libbok, 14 Yaw Penxe, 13 Wandisile Simelane, 12 Damian Willemse, 11 Gianni Lombard, 10 Curwin Bosch, 9 Embrose Papier, 8 Juarno Augustus, 7 Ernst van Rhyn (captain), 6 Len Massyn, 5 Ruben van Heerden, 4 Salmaan Moerat, 3 Carlu Sadie, 2 Johan Grobbelaar, 1 Kwenzo Blose

Substitutes: 16 Gerhard Steenekamp, 17 Daniel Jooste, 18 Lee-Marvin Mazibuko, 19 Reinhard Nothnagel, 20 Muller Uys, 21 Francois de Villiers, 22 Stedman Gans, 23 Jeanluc Cilliers

Sards wrote:A question. Is Lebok one of ouboets bolter Springboks

OomPB wrote:

Sards wrote:A question. Is Lebok one of ouboets bolter Springboks

Don't talk Kak, obvious the follow Papier and Bosch kicking example. The Baby Blacks would have killed us with that gameplan

OomPB wrote:

Sards wrote:A question. Is Lebok one of ouboets bolter Springboks

Don't talk Kak, obvious the follow Papier and Bosch kicking example. The Baby Blacks would have killed us with that gameplan

Sards wrote:

OomPB wrote:

Sards wrote:A question. Is Lebok one of ouboets bolter Springboks

Don't talk Kak, obvious the follow Papier and Bosch kicking example. The Baby Blacks would have killed us with that gameplan

So the answe is yes.

handyman wrote:I hate it when rugby people in SA say we have the best young players in the world by far when it is obvious that we don't.

Jensrsa wrote:Still, they only lost by 2 points to the 6N champions.

Tough luck to them but to write them off is ludicrous

OomPB wrote:

Jensrsa wrote:Still, they only lost by 2 points to the 6N champions.

Tough luck to them but to write them off is ludicrous

Yep, there are plenty of u19s in the team. Hopefully they will learn from this. However we have to move away from the kicking. There were some game breakers in that backline.

saffer13 wrote:

OomPB wrote:

Jensrsa wrote:Still, they only lost by 2 points to the 6N champions.

Tough luck to them but to write them off is ludicrous

Yep, there are plenty of u19s in the team. Hopefully they will learn from this. However we have to move away from the kicking. There were some game breakers in that backline.

The kicking wasn't necessarily the issue, the kak kicking was. Had we executed that aspect better it would have resulted in us having to kick less and a win.

Sards wrote:

saffer13 wrote:

OomPB wrote:

Jensrsa wrote:Still, they only lost by 2 points to the 6N champions.

Tough luck to them but to write them off is ludicrous

Yep, there are plenty of u19s in the team. Hopefully they will learn from this. However we have to move away from the kicking. There were some game breakers in that backline.

The kicking wasn't necessarily the issue, the kak kicking was. Had we executed that aspect better it would have resulted in us having to kick less and a win.

Agree completely. Those forwards would have given Libbok a smack in the changeroom

Catman wrote:Fcuk me, but Bosch is useless!!!

Those who see him as Boks saviour flyhalf need to watch and re-watch this game.

That abortion of an attempted drop goal sums him up: Glory boy with far less talent than he thinks he has. Shades of Gaffie du Toit

Hope he fcuks off to France

Jensrsa wrote:

Sards wrote:

saffer13 wrote:

OomPB wrote:

Jensrsa wrote:Still, they only lost by 2 points to the 6N champions.

Tough luck to them but to write them off is ludicrous

Yep, there are plenty of u19s in the team. Hopefully they will learn from this. However we have to move away from the kicking. There were some game breakers in that backline.

The kicking wasn't necessarily the issue, the kak kicking was. Had we executed that aspect better it would have resulted in us having to kick less and a win.

Agree completely. Those forwards would have given Libbok a smack in the changeroom

Only Libbok? I think all the backs were at fault but Libbok and Bosch were especially poor

Jensrsa wrote:

handyman wrote:I hate it when rugby people in SA say we have the best young players in the world by far when it is obvious that we don't.

The Baby Boks missed out on the final because the backs had a bad day . Their execution was poor, their decision making was poor and they just didn't gel today. Still, they only lost by 2 points to the 6N champions.

Tough luck to them but to write them off is ludicrous

Jensrsa wrote:

Sards wrote:

saffer13 wrote:

OomPB wrote:

Jensrsa wrote:Still, they only lost by 2 points to the 6N champions.

Tough luck to them but to write them off is ludicrous

Yep, there are plenty of u19s in the team. Hopefully they will learn from this. However we have to move away from the kicking. There were some game breakers in that backline.

The kicking wasn't necessarily the issue, the kak kicking was. Had we executed that aspect better it would have resulted in us having to kick less and a win.

Agree completely. Those forwards would have given Libbok a smack in the changeroom

Only Libbok? I think all the backs were at fault but Libbok and Bosch were especially poor

beachboy wrote:Watched the final with a few knowledgeable rugby mates. 20 minutes in to the 2nd half and we were all bitching about the amount of ball we were kicking away. We kicked too much and our kicking was poor. When we carried the ball we made good metres. It was obviously the coaches instruction once we were in the lead to kick for territory and play in the English half. Our usual negative tactic instead of going for the kill.

The Baby Boks were superior to England in that second half but poor execution and composure lost the game. Lots of positives though, there is some real talent. The more I see Bosch play the more I think he is not up to playing at a high level. I made an effort to keep an eye on him for a few minutes to see what he does when he is not in play. I noticed he could have got into position to catch a few kicks and make a tackle but made no effort, in fact on one occasion moved in the opposite direction to avoid being involved. You cant hide at this level.

Jensrsa wrote:

beachboy wrote:Watched the final with a few knowledgeable rugby mates. 20 minutes in to the 2nd half and we were all bitching about the amount of ball we were kicking away. We kicked too much and our kicking was poor. When we carried the ball we made good metres. It was obviously the coaches instruction once we were in the lead to kick for territory and play in the English half. Our usual negative tactic instead of going for the kill.

The Baby Boks were superior to England in that second half but poor execution and composure lost the game. Lots of positives though, there is some real talent. The more I see Bosch play the more I think he is not up to playing at a high level. I made an effort to keep an eye on him for a few minutes to see what he does when he is not in play. I noticed he could have got into position to catch a few kicks and make a tackle but made no effort, in fact on one occasion moved in the opposite direction to avoid being involved. You cant hide at this level.

According to Sards you are a doos too

beachboy wrote:Watched the final with a few knowledgeable rugby mates. 20 minutes in to the 2nd half and we were all bitching about the amount of ball we were kicking away. We kicked too much and our kicking was poor. When we carried the ball we made good metres. It was obviously the coaches instruction once we were in the lead to kick for territory and play in the English half. Our usual negative tactic instead of going for the kill.

The Baby Boks were superior to England in that second half but poor execution and composure lost the game. Lots of positives though, there is some real talent. The more I see Bosch play the more I think he is not up to playing at a high level. I made an effort to keep an eye on him for a few minutes to see what he does when he is not in play. I noticed he could have got into position to catch a few kicks and make a tackle but made no effort, in fact on one occasion moved in the opposite direction to avoid being involved. You cant hide at this level.

handyman wrote:

beachboy wrote:Watched the final with a few knowledgeable rugby mates. 20 minutes in to the 2nd half and we were all bitching about the amount of ball we were kicking away. We kicked too much and our kicking was poor. When we carried the ball we made good metres. It was obviously the coaches instruction once we were in the lead to kick for territory and play in the English half. Our usual negative tactic instead of going for the kill.

The Baby Boks were superior to England in that second half but poor execution and composure lost the game. Lots of positives though, there is some real talent. The more I see Bosch play the more I think he is not up to playing at a high level. I made an effort to keep an eye on him for a few minutes to see what he does when he is not in play. I noticed he could have got into position to catch a few kicks and make a tackle but made no effort, in fact on one occasion moved in the opposite direction to avoid being involved. You cant hide at this level.

Saw this as well. Can't be afraid of contact at this level.

saffer13 wrote:

handyman wrote:

beachboy wrote:Watched the final with a few knowledgeable rugby mates. 20 minutes in to the 2nd half and we were all bitching about the amount of ball we were kicking away. We kicked too much and our kicking was poor. When we carried the ball we made good metres. It was obviously the coaches instruction once we were in the lead to kick for territory and play in the English half. Our usual negative tactic instead of going for the kill.

The Baby Boks were superior to England in that second half but poor execution and composure lost the game. Lots of positives though, there is some real talent. The more I see Bosch play the more I think he is not up to playing at a high level. I made an effort to keep an eye on him for a few minutes to see what he does when he is not in play. I noticed he could have got into position to catch a few kicks and make a tackle but made no effort, in fact on one occasion moved in the opposite direction to avoid being involved. You cant hide at this level.

Saw this as well. Can't be afraid of contact at this level.

He was very disappointing. The panicked DG with 3 mins to go said it all.

Blake wrote:

saffer13 wrote:

handyman wrote:

beachboy wrote:Watched the final with a few knowledgeable rugby mates. 20 minutes in to the 2nd half and we were all bitching about the amount of ball we were kicking away. We kicked too much and our kicking was poor. When we carried the ball we made good metres. It was obviously the coaches instruction once we were in the lead to kick for territory and play in the English half. Our usual negative tactic instead of going for the kill.

The Baby Boks were superior to England in that second half but poor execution and composure lost the game. Lots of positives though, there is some real talent. The more I see Bosch play the more I think he is not up to playing at a high level. I made an effort to keep an eye on him for a few minutes to see what he does when he is not in play. I noticed he could have got into position to catch a few kicks and make a tackle but made no effort, in fact on one occasion moved in the opposite direction to avoid being involved. You cant hide at this level.

Saw this as well. Can't be afraid of contact at this level.

He was very disappointing. The panicked DG with 3 mins to go said it all.

Well, that and the 10 other times a rushed kick got charged down in the match. Not sure if it was poor positional play by the kickers, or poor blocking around the rucks by the forwards. Probably both, but still reflected poorly on all the backline players. As they advance up the ladder that time and space in the pocket will become less and less. Bosch in particular doesn't seem to be one of those flyhalves that can manufacture time and space in the pocket.

saffer13 wrote:

Blake wrote:Well, that and the 10 other times a rushed kick got charged down in the match. Not sure if it was poor positional play by the kickers, or poor blocking around the rucks by the forwards. Probably both, but still reflected poorly on all the backline players. As they advance up the ladder that time and space in the pocket will become less and less. Bosch in particular doesn't seem to be one of those flyhalves that can manufacture time and space in the pocket.

That being said....he's 19. Happy to give him time to develop.

assfly wrote:I haven't watched any of the Baby Boks games, but I can't believe how the knives are out for Bosch. There is even a journo on News24 saying he's not up to it.

How is it that he can excel so much in Super Rugby yet not so much in U20 rugby? To give him the benefit of the doubt, perhaps it's because he doesn't have the same quality players around him.

assfly wrote:I haven't watched any of the Baby Boks games, but I can't believe how the knives are out for Bosch. There is even a journo on News24 saying he's not up to it.

How is it that he can excel so much in Super Rugby yet not so much in U20 rugby? To give him the benefit of the doubt, perhaps it's because he doesn't have the same quality players around him.