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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:59 am 
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Their best performing sides 4th in both conferences.

Zero impact in Europe.

What is wrong with this supposed Rugby "country"?


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Apparently it isn't


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Just goes to show what a great coach Gatland is - Grand Slam champs from four red haired step children. It's not like they draw hugely from overseas based players either. Is it three they limit it to?


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Sure they've had their head in the sand for 25 years about this.

Why not keep going.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:11 am 
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Sure they've had their head in the sand for 25 years about this.

Why not keep going.


2005, 2008, 2012, 2019


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Their best performing sides 4th in both conferences.

Zero impact in Europe.

What is wrong with this supposed Rugby "country"?

I truly do not want to talk about Welsh club rugby, Mullet.

May I please be excused?


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sewa wrote:
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Sure they've had their head in the sand for 25 years about this.

Why not keep going.


2005, 2008, 2012, 2019



They not teach you the meaning of the word "club" in whatever hedge school you attended in Limerick?


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:14 am 
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MungoMan wrote:
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Their best performing sides 4th in both conferences.

Zero impact in Europe.

What is wrong with this supposed Rugby "country"?

I truly do not want to talk about Welsh club rugby, Mullet.

May I please be excused?



You may


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:18 am 
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Mullet 2 wrote:
sewa wrote:
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Sure they've had their head in the sand for 25 years about this.

Why not keep going.


2005, 2008, 2012, 2019



They not teach you the meaning of the word "club" in whatever hedge school you attended in Limerick?


Yet you are always going on about the international game being the number 1 priority, the Welsh have merely taken that logic to the extreme. Some of their players barely play for a club at all (see Sam Warburtons career)


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:19 am 
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Yes and now we're talking about their clubs and not their international team. Fairly basic comprehension really.

But thank you for your irrelevant point.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:24 am 
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Yes and now we're talking about their clubs and not their international team. Fairly basic comprehension really.

But thank you for your irrelevant point.


Well it looks like the whole of Wales have you on ignore so I thought someone should keep you company


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I appreciate that.


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What is wrong with this supposed Rugby "country"?


2 things:

1) Everything is set up for the national team to flourish. Even when that means that detrimental effects are placed upon the layer beneath (the 4 regions)

2) Not enough money to develop squad depth.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:12 am 
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Kid A wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:

What is wrong with this supposed Rugby "country"?


2 things:

1) Everything is set up for the national team to flourish. Even when that means that detrimental effects are placed upon the layer beneath (the 4 regions)

2) Not enough money to develop squad depth.


Not enough die-hard fans attending the regional games. Loads still absolutely committed to the amateur club game. Not pointing fingers or trying to figure out why, but there's definitely been a lack of buy-in.
On a related note, too many event junkies only interested in the piss-up. Means that the Millennium is always full and making money for internationals, but that same shower will never been seen in Rodney Parade or the Liberty Stadium on a Friday night or Saturday afternoon.


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Not enough die-hard fans attending the regional games.


-As we've discussed before on here - all the die hards are attending the games. There aren't any more. Welsh rugby fans by and large support the national team, and not much else.

-Plus, even if all the Welsh teams grounds were selling out every fortnight - it would barely make a dent in the finances.

-The Leinster v Munster fixture at the Aviva makes approximately the same amount of money in ticket receipts as the Scarlets do on tickets in an entire season.


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Loads still absolutely committed to the amateur club game. Not pointing fingers or trying to figure out why, but there's definitely been a lack of buy-in.


Yup. Going to watch Llancock 2nds doesn't cost much money. So people are well up for it.

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On a related note, too many event junkies only interested in the piss-up. Means that the Millennium is always full and making money for internationals, but that same shower will never been seen in Rodney Parade or the Liberty Stadium on a Friday night or Saturday afternoon.


Yup. Welsh people love a p1ss up. Not so fussed on learning the laws of rugby or going to see Zebre play.


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Nolanator wrote:
Kid A wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:

What is wrong with this supposed Rugby "country"?


2 things:

1) Everything is set up for the national team to flourish. Even when that means that detrimental effects are placed upon the layer beneath (the 4 regions)

2) Not enough money to develop squad depth.


Not enough die-hard fans attending the regional games. Loads still absolutely committed to the amateur club game. Not pointing fingers or trying to figure out why, but there's definitely been a lack of buy-in.
On a related note, too many event junkies only interested in the piss-up. Means that the Millennium is always full and making money for internationals, but that same shower will never been seen in Rodney Parade or the Liberty Stadium on a Friday night or Saturday afternoon.


Pretty much.

Sometimes I don't think people appreciate the tribalism associated with club rugby in Wales - some fans will never support their 'regional' team - mainly because they're not true 'regions' - just expanded super-clubs (Llanelli, Cardiff, Newport, Swansea/Neath).

That said - the situation is often not as bad as people try to make out - Welsh teams have won the League 6 times (to Ireland's 10) - it's just these past 2 seasons have been pretty poor.

People also forget how small South Wales is - all 4 regions have to draw from a pool of 2 million people - compare this to:
- Leinster = 2.5 million
- Glasgow (& surrounding areas) = 2.8 million
- Munster = 1.3 million
- Ulster = 2.1 million

(those sides also happen to be the top 4 sides in the P14 this year)


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:42 am 
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Sounds a lot like the Australian model for rugby before it all collapsed in a heap.


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P in VG wrote:

People also forget how small South Wales is - all 4 regions have to draw from a pool of 2 million people - compare this to:
- Leinster = 2.5 million
- Glasgow (& surrounding areas) = 2.8 million
- Munster = 1.3 million
- Ulster = 2.1 million



^^^^^

Also, some people never realise, that by population per head, the Welsh teams are actually the best supported in the Pro14.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:45 am 
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Kid A wrote:
P in VG wrote:

People also forget how small South Wales is - all 4 regions have to draw from a pool of 2 million people - compare this to:
- Leinster = 2.5 million
- Glasgow (& surrounding areas) = 2.8 million
- Munster = 1.3 million
- Ulster = 2.1 million



^^^^^

Also, some people never realise, that by population per head, the Welsh teams are actually the best supported in the Pro14.


With 3.1 million people in the principality? I sincerely doubt it


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:49 am 
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P in VG wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Kid A wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:

What is wrong with this supposed Rugby "country"?


2 things:

1) Everything is set up for the national team to flourish. Even when that means that detrimental effects are placed upon the layer beneath (the 4 regions)

2) Not enough money to develop squad depth.


Not enough die-hard fans attending the regional games. Loads still absolutely committed to the amateur club game. Not pointing fingers or trying to figure out why, but there's definitely been a lack of buy-in.
On a related note, too many event junkies only interested in the piss-up. Means that the Millennium is always full and making money for internationals, but that same shower will never been seen in Rodney Parade or the Liberty Stadium on a Friday night or Saturday afternoon.


Pretty much.

Sometimes I don't think people appreciate the tribalism associated with club rugby in Wales - some fans will never support their 'regional' team - mainly because they're not true 'regions' - just expanded super-clubs (Llanelli, Cardiff, Newport, Swansea/Neath).

That said - the situation is often not as bad as people try to make out - Welsh teams have won the League 6 times (to Ireland's 10) - it's just these past 2 seasons have been pretty poor.

People also forget how small South Wales is - all 4 regions have to draw from a pool of 2 million people - compare this to:
- Leinster = 2.5 million
- Glasgow (& surrounding areas) = 2.8 million
- Munster = 1.3 million
- Ulster = 2.1 million

(those sides also happen to be the top 4 sides in the P14 this year)


I've been hearing this a long time and I think it's a handy excuse.

I met a few local lads in a bar in Llanelli who were just back from watching Swansea in the Premier League.


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sewa wrote:
Kid A wrote:
P in VG wrote:

People also forget how small South Wales is - all 4 regions have to draw from a pool of 2 million people - compare this to:
- Leinster = 2.5 million
- Glasgow (& surrounding areas) = 2.8 million
- Munster = 1.3 million
- Ulster = 2.1 million



^^^^^

Also, some people never realise, that by population per head, the Welsh teams are actually the best supported in the Pro14.


With 3.1 million people in the principality? I sincerely doubt it


How many people from North Wales make the 8 hr round trip to watch regional rugby?


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Their best performing sides 4th in both conferences.

Zero impact in Europe.

What is wrong with this supposed Rugby "country"?


You best hope we don’t start to take the game seriously.


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No fecker cares about the shitty faux regions.
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P in VG wrote:
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With 3.1 million people in the principality? I sincerely doubt it


How many people from North Wales make the 8 hr round trip to watch regional rugby?


I've no idea but I am always suspicious when people manipulate figures in their favour with no explanation. You have half the population of Ireland, your attendance are way lower than half our average


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sewa wrote:
Kid A wrote:
P in VG wrote:

People also forget how small South Wales is - all 4 regions have to draw from a pool of 2 million people - compare this to:
- Leinster = 2.5 million
- Glasgow (& surrounding areas) = 2.8 million
- Munster = 1.3 million
- Ulster = 2.1 million



^^^^^

Also, some people never realise, that by population per head, the Welsh teams are actually the best supported in the Pro14.


With 3.1 million people in the principality? I sincerely doubt it


A third of that live outside the rugby heartlands. Can't count people in North Wales.


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I met a few local lads in a bar in Llanelli who were just back from watching Swansea in the Premier League.


A team playing in a competent league with away fans creating an atmosphere is attractive for people to go and watch?

I'm shocked.


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sewa wrote:
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With 3.1 million people in the principality? I sincerely doubt it


How many people from North Wales make the 8 hr round trip to watch regional rugby?


I've no idea


This is fact ^


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sewa wrote:
Kid A wrote:
P in VG wrote:

People also forget how small South Wales is - all 4 regions have to draw from a pool of 2 million people - compare this to:
- Leinster = 2.5 million
- Glasgow (& surrounding areas) = 2.8 million
- Munster = 1.3 million
- Ulster = 2.1 million



^^^^^

Also, some people never realise, that by population per head, the Welsh teams are actually the best supported in the Pro14.


With 3.1 million people in the principality? I sincerely doubt it


Welsh football is booming at present, stealing lots of sports fans on Saturday and Sunday.


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sewa wrote:
Kid A wrote:
P in VG wrote:

People also forget how small South Wales is - all 4 regions have to draw from a pool of 2 million people - compare this to:
- Leinster = 2.5 million
- Glasgow (& surrounding areas) = 2.8 million
- Munster = 1.3 million
- Ulster = 2.1 million



^^^^^

Also, some people never realise, that by population per head, the Welsh teams are actually the best supported in the Pro14.


With 3.1 million people in the principality? I sincerely doubt it


A third of that live outside the rugby heartlands. Can't count people in North Wales.


Get off the stage lads.

Sure that's like us giving you the numbers with only Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Belfast. An honest conversation is needed.

Maybe a team in North Wales is the answer so.


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This is going to be one of those threads were people answer the question, giving reasonable answers, and the responses are just....."Bullsh1t - that's just an excuse - you're just rubbish"


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Kid A wrote:
sewa wrote:
P in VG wrote:
sewa wrote:

With 3.1 million people in the principality? I sincerely doubt it


How many people from North Wales make the 8 hr round trip to watch regional rugby?


I've no idea


This is fact ^


:lol:


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Mullet 2 wrote:

I met a few local lads in a bar in Llanelli who were just back from watching Swansea in the Premier League.


A team playing in a competent league with away fans creating an atmosphere is attractive for people to go and watch?

I'm shocked.



Soccer is never attractive to watch.

No rugby man decides to watch soccer because the atmosphere is better.


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Get off the stage lads.

Sure that's like us giving you the numbers with only Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Belfast. An honest conversation is needed.

Maybe a team in North Wales is the answer so.


Galway with a population of 80,000, yet Connacht average just under 6,000 fans at their home games.


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This is going to be one of those threads were people answer the question, giving reasonable answers, and the responses are just....."Bullsh1t - that's just an excuse - you're just rubbish"



I'd like it to be a thread where we get a few solutions and not the same old excuses.

I member well when the WRU tried to brand them as regions that there was uproar about it.

Now they have aligned them more with their previous clubs and that is the excuse now.


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Mullet 2 wrote:
Kid A wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:

I met a few local lads in a bar in Llanelli who were just back from watching Swansea in the Premier League.


A team playing in a competent league with away fans creating an atmosphere is attractive for people to go and watch?

I'm shocked.



Soccer is never attractive to watch.

No rugby man decides to watch soccer because the atmosphere is better.


What on earth is your fckin point then?


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Mullet 2 wrote:
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This is going to be one of those threads were people answer the question, giving reasonable answers, and the responses are just....."Bullsh1t - that's just an excuse - you're just rubbish"



I'd like it to be a thread where we get a few solutions and not the same old excuses.

I member well when the WRU tried to brand them as regions that there was uproar about it.

Now they have aligned them more with their previous clubs and that is the excuse now.


Oh ok.

Well the solution is to join the English.

But I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you won't like this.


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Kid A wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
Kid A wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:

I met a few local lads in a bar in Llanelli who were just back from watching Swansea in the Premier League.


A team playing in a competent league with away fans creating an atmosphere is attractive for people to go and watch?

I'm shocked.



Soccer is never attractive to watch.

No rugby man decides to watch soccer because the atmosphere is better.


What on earth is your fckin point then?



That these Llanelli boys have no problem supporting Swansea but Rugby fans from three mils out the road can't manage it


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That these Llanelli boys have no problem supporting Swansea but Rugby fans from three mils out the road can't manage it


They're the same people.


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sewa wrote:
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Get off the stage lads.

Sure that's like us giving you the numbers with only Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Belfast. An honest conversation is needed.

Maybe a team in North Wales is the answer so.


Galway with a population of 80,000, yet Connacht average just under 6,000 fans at their home games.


Llanelli with a population of 35,000, yet Scarlets average over 8,000 fans at their home games


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P in VG wrote:
sewa wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:

Get off the stage lads.

Sure that's like us giving you the numbers with only Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Belfast. An honest conversation is needed.

Maybe a team in North Wales is the answer so.


Galway with a population of 80,000, yet Connacht average just under 6,000 fans at their home games.


Llanelli with a population of 35,000, yet Scarlets average over 8,000 fans at their home games


They're not going to admit it. I'd give up.


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