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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:00 am 
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This is quite interesting as he has been dodgy two weeks in a row and has now been stepped down due to pressure on Lydon Bray, what gets me is why do this on an international stage when many cameras are watching from all different types of angles, he was never going to get away with it, seems to be a way of sacrificing his career before it really even takes off. Jaco peyper was a bit like that early into his career but since he has gotten to know all the players from NZL and AUS he has come relatively good considering and seems to get along with everyone and has stopped favoring his beloved bulls side so much.. Stuart Berrys case is far stranger tho as he has so much more to lose.. And for the lions FFS..


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He's been stepped down?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:23 am 
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By Wynne Gray

Sanzar's file on referees' bloopers has gone to a new level.

After some outbursts about officials' rulings in the opening month of the Super 15, referees' co-ordinator Lyndon Bray has been swamped by the last round of incompetence.

Which put him in the electric chair after his recent comments about culling some of the poorer referees.

"I would always dispute the argument that there is no accountability or action," Bray said. "There is. I would only say, watch this space."

We did and he came up with a ruling that had more substance than some of those delivered by the referees and TMO, who watch replays and come up with warped theories.

Men impersonating Mr Magoo over the weekend were Stuart Berry, Lourens van der Merwe and Francisco Pastrana. They have been culled, along with Australian Angus Gardner.


This is not a beef about rulings during the run of play. Rugby laws are way too complex and officials have used the advantage law to get more flow into matches.

Scrums are still a complete cow and breakdowns an unmitigated mess where referees have been left to adjudicate on the confusion.

But when tries have been claimed, referees get repeat looks in slo-mo if they are unsure about events.

In Pastrana's chaotic world at Eden Park he asked for the TMO's opinion and then rejected it. Berry delivered successive weeks of imbalance, while van der Merwe seems to be working from an alternate rulebook.

Every referee and his assistants are going to miss incidents and they will suffer when the television lens suggests a different perspective on cases like forward passes.

But when it comes time to turn to the big screen, the only inquiry should be, "Try, no try or can't see?" If the evidence is inconclusive or footage obscured, the referee then has the discretion to make his decision.

To get the sort of pantomime Pastrana offered when he asked for a ruling and then disagreed with the advice, was a nonsense. He needed to be put in the sinbin - and the others, too - for what we hope was just general incompetence.

Refereeing is not for everyone. It is a tough job where one man's vision, with occasional help from his assistants, is pitted against spectators in a 360-degree stadium and a global audience feasting on all sorts of camera angles.

Players test the limits at all times, they work the margins and niggle away at any weakness they think referees exhibit. It is a hard gig but referees know that as they work their way up through the grades.

When they get to the top we expect them to be on the money, or close to it, but Sanzar is not getting a strong enough return on that investment.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:28 am 
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Well, there you go.

Anyway, you're a bit behind the times, champ. We've all decided (including the numerous South African posters) that the Reds were indeed cheated out of a win by a crooked ref but we're past that now.


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I am so glad this was done. Puts an end to the bitching.


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This thread isn't directly related to the reds , just cheating refs and how our sport has no policy or procedures in place to combat this. What if berrys performance was apart of a WC final and betting syndicates had involvement, what then?


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:lol: :shock:

That your sauce? A sports writer more interested in his own opinion than the truth?

:lol: :shock:

I suggest you go and read Lyndon Bray's statement on the SANZAR web site


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This thread isn't directly related to the reds , just cheating refs and how our sport has no policy or procedures in place to combat this. What if berrys performance was apart of a WC final and betting syndicates had involvement, what then?


Look, I think Berry is almost as bad as Hitler as the next man but I don't think betting syndicates would be involved. That's stretching it a bit.

How are you anyway? Still as crazy a homeless man on bathsalts?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:52 am 
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If Berry is officially slated as sn incompetent slash cheating ref , how important were the two controversial losses the Reds suffered in the Republic as far as their season is concerned.


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Thomas wrote:
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This thread isn't directly related to the reds , just cheating refs and how our sport has no policy or procedures in place to combat this. What if berrys performance was apart of a WC final and betting syndicates had involvement, what then?


Look, I think Berry is almost as bad as Hitler as the next man but I don't think betting syndicates would be involved. That's stretching it a bit.

How are you anyway? Still as crazy a homeless man on bathsalts?

But what is in place to stop this from happening, let's say at half time the lions are down by 15 or whatever it was, then a huge some of money was put on black market betting (similar to what happens in India) where u cannot see the amounts being placed.. Then the lions win with huge odds against them, the ref has a hand in the pocket, gets a beautiful pay check, the betters make a killing, then it happens again randomly down the track.. We all scream our game isn't like that and dodgy betting doesn't happen and dismiss such a bizarre game or outcome and continue on.. Now what's in place to stop this.. Who takes control and who steers the investigation. Now the game against the reds happened near Soweto and such, South Africa has large swaths of underground criminal betting syndicates, these have been bought up numerous oh such as when hansie was caught out and some suspected his crash may have been to keep him quite (conspiracy, yes) but no one can prove otherwise, we just dismiss it and ignore the question.. That shouldn't be the case for bizarre games. Graham Henry raises this issue a few years back too, nothing has changed , maybe we can all put our heads in the sand and pretend rugby is squeaky clean, or we can say the current procedures aren't good enough and stop the rot before it's infectious


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So the Reds were the victim of a betting syndicate.
Surely there is some way to investigate this.


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Harbinger wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Harbinger wrote:
This thread isn't directly related to the reds , just cheating refs and how our sport has no policy or procedures in place to combat this. What if berrys performance was apart of a WC final and betting syndicates had involvement, what then?


Look, I think Berry is almost as bad as Hitler as the next man but I don't think betting syndicates would be involved. That's stretching it a bit.

How are you anyway? Still as crazy a homeless man on bathsalts?

But what is in place to stop this from happening, let's say at half time the lions are down by 15 or whatever it was, then a huge some of money was put on black market betting (similar to what happens in India) where u cannot see the amounts being placed.. Then the lions win with huge odds against them, the ref has a hand in the pocket, gets a beautiful pay check, the betters make a killing, then it happens again randomly down the track.. We all scream our game isn't like that and dodgy betting doesn't happen and dismiss such a bizarre game or outcome and continue on.. Now what's in place to stop this.. Who takes control and who steers the investigation. Now the game against the reds happened near Soweto and such, South Africa has large swaths of underground criminal betting syndicates, these have been bought up numerous oh such as when hansie was caught out and some suspected his crash may have been to keep him quite (conspiracy, yes) but no one can prove otherwise, we just dismiss it and ignore the question.. That shouldn't be the case for bizarre games. Graham Henry raises this issue a few years back too, nothing has changed , maybe we can all put our heads in the sand and pretend rugby is squeaky clean, or we can say the current procedures aren't good enough and stop the rot before it's infectious


You're a f**king maniac.

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So the Reds were the victim of a betting syndicate.
Surely there is some way to investigate this.

Unless the syndicate was run by say a KIWI named Richie McAW......


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Harbinger wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Harbinger wrote:
This thread isn't directly related to the reds , just cheating refs and how our sport has no policy or procedures in place to combat this. What if berrys performance was apart of a WC final and betting syndicates had involvement, what then?


Look, I think Berry is almost as bad as Hitler as the next man but I don't think betting syndicates would be involved. That's stretching it a bit.

How are you anyway? Still as crazy a homeless man on bathsalts?

But what is in place to stop this from happening, let's say at half time the lions are down by 15 or whatever it was, then a huge some of money was put on black market betting (similar to what happens in India) where u cannot see the amounts being placed.. Then the lions win with huge odds against them, the ref has a hand in the pocket, gets a beautiful pay check, the betters make a killing, then it happens again randomly down the track.. We all scream our game isn't like that and dodgy betting doesn't happen and dismiss such a bizarre game or outcome and continue on.. Now what's in place to stop this.. Who takes control and who steers the investigation. Now the game against the reds happened near Soweto and such, South Africa has large swaths of underground criminal betting syndicates, these have been bought up numerous oh such as when hansie was caught out and some suspected his crash may have been to keep him quite (conspiracy, yes) but no one can prove otherwise, we just dismiss it and ignore the question.. That shouldn't be the case for bizarre games. Graham Henry raises this issue a few years back too, nothing has changed , maybe we can all put our heads in the sand and pretend rugby is squeaky clean, or we can say the current procedures aren't good enough and stop the rot before it's infectious


Seriously?

The Reds and Lions teams must obviously be involved as well. The Reds step off the gas and start to ignore the Refs warnings and give away penalties, looking to be carded to reduce their player numbers. The Lions start to up their game after deliberately playing poorly in the first half. And James Horwill, he had to be in on it, as he stepped up his chirping of the ref and bugging him about every decision.

Oh and the ARs and TMO must also be in on it to miss all the infringements that may work counter to the syndicate's required outcome.

And Lyndon Bray must be in as well, since he didn't fire Berry after the game in order for him to play a role in the Bulls Chiefs game where everyone is in on it once again.

Sure, I can see how this would work :lol:


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Harbinger wrote:
This thread isn't directly related to the reds , just cheating refs and how our sport has no policy or procedures in place to combat this. What if berrys performance was apart of a WC final and betting syndicates had involvement, what then?


Look, I think Berry is almost as bad as Hitler as the next man but I don't think betting syndicates would be involved. That's stretching it a bit.

How are you anyway? Still as crazy a homeless man on bathsalts?

But what is in place to stop this from happening, let's say at half time the lions are down by 15 or whatever it was, then a huge some of money was put on black market betting (similar to what happens in India) where u cannot see the amounts being placed.. Then the lions win with huge odds against them, the ref has a hand in the pocket, gets a beautiful pay check, the betters make a killing, then it happens again randomly down the track.. We all scream our game isn't like that and dodgy betting doesn't happen and dismiss such a bizarre game or outcome and continue on.. Now what's in place to stop this.. Who takes control and who steers the investigation. Now the game against the reds happened near Soweto and such, South Africa has large swaths of underground criminal betting syndicates, these have been bought up numerous oh such as when hansie was caught out and some suspected his crash may have been to keep him quite (conspiracy, yes) but no one can prove otherwise, we just dismiss it and ignore the question.. That shouldn't be the case for bizarre games. Graham Henry raises this issue a few years back too, nothing has changed , maybe we can all put our heads in the sand and pretend rugby is squeaky clean, or we can say the current procedures aren't good enough and stop the rot before it's infectious


Seriously?

The Reds and Lions teams must obviously be involved as well. The Reds step off the gas and start to ignore the Refs warnings and give away penalties, looking to be carded to reduce their player numbers. The Lions start to up their game after deliberately playing poorly in the first half. And James Horwill, he had to be in on it, as he stepped up his chirping of the ref and bugging him about every decision.

Oh and the ARs and TMO must also be in on it to miss all the infringements that may work counter to the syndicate's required outcome.

And Lyndon Bray must be in as well, since he didn't fire Berry after the game in order for him to play a role in the Bulls Chiefs game where everyone is in on it once again.

Sure, I can see how this would work :lol:



Wow, someone who completly misses the point. Congrats on being a fuckwit!

Ohh and betting doesn't work the way u have explained, in cricket cartels wait for the odds to be stretched as much as possible and then jump on it when they know what the outcome is gonna be. The. There is spot betting too which can be easily manipulated in rugby..


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So in 130 years of rugby you are gonna be the one to stand up and say that rugby has never had a result manipulated for a betting syndicate, meanwhile almost every other sport has had it's share of scandals.. Hmmm glad I'm not that dim..


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Berry was bloody average, but a couple of the Reds forwards didn't help their case and why oh why did the Reds start playing to protect their lead?


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I've never been impressed with Lourens vd Merwe ever since I first saw him ref a CC match
He doesn't seem to be competent enough


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The problem from an Auztralian perspective is that in Oz there two other sporting comps that are as big if not bigger yhan super rugby, the AFL and NRL. In these competitions the refs work for the main body and have no affiliations to the teams as such they answer only to the main body who in turn assess their performance. So if any refs cheat then theyre dealt with swiftly. The fans expects it and generally get it.

You cant expect that level of professionalism in super rugby as the refs owe their jobs not only to Sanzae but also their national and provincial/state unions. So you have a situation where you have to right side of your union to secure their backing. Its no coincidence that saffers are always accused of favouring saffer teams ditto oz and nz refs.

To make matters worse theres always a distrust between the unions so the default reaction to anything is to back your own.

Bring on Nigel Owens.


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Sards wrote:
So the Reds were the victim of a betting syndicate.
Surely there is some way to investigate this.



Based in Soweto, of all places.


Pretty bad, innit ?


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This is quite interesting as he has been dodgy two weeks in a row and has now been stepped down due to pressure on Lydon Bray, what gets me is why do this on an international stage when many cameras are watching from all different types of angles, he was never going to get away with it, seems to be a way of sacrificing his career before it really even takes off. Jaco peyper was a bit like that early into his career but since he has gotten to know all the players from NZL and AUS he has come relatively good considering and seems to get along with everyone and has stopped favoring his beloved bulls side so much.. Stuart Berrys case is far stranger tho as he has so much more to lose.. And for the lions FFS..


Last years "honest mistake" is this years cheat... I wonder what's changed? :uhoh:


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Bump, i see the crusaders sharks game is raising all sorts of questions/ conspiracy theories... Good to see people are starting to beleive Berry might not just be a little incompetant and there might be more too it...


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None of the yellow cards were poor decisions, IMO. The Nadolo one was a tad harsh, perhaps, but given the game situation it's not that bad.

I saw a breakdown of the first 10 penalties against the Crusaders and only two of them (one against Todd and one against McCaw) were outright bad calls. He may have missed some calls against the Sharks obviously, but all in all, I think it's been exaggerated.


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None of the yellow cards were poor decisions, IMO. The Nadolo one was a tad harsh, perhaps, but given the game situation it's not that bad.

I saw a breakdown of the first 10 penalties against the Crusaders and only two of them (one against Todd and one against McCaw) were outright bad calls. He may have missed some calls against the Sharks obviously, but all in all, I think it's been exaggerated.


How about the "sideways" knock on call? Or the way he desperately argued with the TMO to keep Desyel on the field? Or the tearful apology to Lambie for issuing the RC?

The thing about rugby is that a genuine infringement can be found at every breakdown. So you can be a crooked referee simply by focusing on one team's indiscretions and ignoring the other's. In saying that even a rabid anti-Crusaders troll such as yourself can find two incorrect penalty calls, a questionable YC and then a missed knock on.


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None of the yellow cards were poor decisions, IMO. The Nadolo one was a tad harsh, perhaps, but given the game situation it's not that bad.

I saw a breakdown of the first 10 penalties against the Crusaders and only two of them (one against Todd and one against McCaw) were outright bad calls. He may have missed some calls against the Sharks obviously, but all in all, I think it's been exaggerated.

That would be an interesting look. Where did you see that?


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None of the yellow cards were poor decisions, IMO. The Nadolo one was a tad harsh, perhaps, but given the game situation it's not that bad.

I saw a breakdown of the first 10 penalties against the Crusaders and only two of them (one against Todd and one against McCaw) were outright bad calls. He may have missed some calls against the Sharks obviously, but all in all, I think it's been exaggerated.

That would be an interesting look. Where did you see that?


Some bloke posted it on the Roar which appears to be down at the moment. It was a link to a youtube video, but can't find it.


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I found him more than willing to hand out cards to the Crusaders but he looked like he genuinely didn't want to give Deysel that red, even though the TMO had recommended it.


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I found him more than willing to hand out cards to the Crusaders but he looked like he genuinely didn't want to give Deysel that red, even though the TMO had recommended it.


"Didn't look intentional to me"


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I found him more than willing to hand out cards to the Crusaders but he looked like he genuinely didn't want to give Deysel that red, even though the TMO had recommended it.


"Didn't look intentional to me"


:lol:


:lol:

disgraceful


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Dubya Howard wrote:
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I found him more than willing to hand out cards to the Crusaders but he looked like he genuinely didn't want to give Deysel that red, even though the TMO had recommended it.


"Didn't look intentional to me"


:lol:


:lol:

disgraceful


:lol: Jeez

It is fascinating how you guys don't let the truth get in the way of your opinions :thumbdown:


Now here's what really happened.

Scene: Kings Park. Camera on SB after watching the available footage on the big screen at the other side of the park

TMO: Stuart

SB: Ja Willie are those all our angles?

TMO: Those are our angles

SB: OK. A pretty tough accurate call for me to make from here. I am seeing a knee to the head. It's pretty unsure to as to whether it was intentional or part of a [unclear] and I need your recommendation.

TMO: It was definitely intentional

SB Sorry you're breaking up

TMO: It was definitely intentional and it was to the head and it is a red card offence

SB: Number 7?

TMO: Number 7 white

SB: Cool


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The Reds' discipline has been ridiculously poor all year no matter who the referee is, and Horwill's idiocy was Horwill's alone. Berry loves his cards but all four were justified - though his apology for sending off Heysel was unnecessary. I thought Hoffmann was the worst of the weekend in Wellington - hopelessly inconsistent to go with some highly technical calls against the attacking team. The Canes were fortunate to get away with that one.

it's not out of the question that a rugby referee could be on the take but far more likely that they just make genuine errors. The odds of a ref not making an error or three during a game with a dozen or more scrums and hundreds of tackles, rucks & mauls are very, very long. On the one hand going to the TMO then overruling him seems rich, on the other some of the worst calls seem to come from the TMOs, especially the Saffer TMOs for some reason.


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Here's that breakdown of the penalties v the Sadists. It's only the first 8.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ6mxTqXyXU

1 and 8 are contentious, the rest are ok for me.


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though his apology for sending off Heysel was unnecessary


The "apology" is the figment of some people's imagination.


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Here's that breakdown of the penalties v the Sadists. It's only the first 8.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ6mxTqXyXU

1 and 8 are contentious, the rest are ok for me.


1 was a definite knock

8 is OK, McCaw was tackle assist but never got his hands on the ball and then didn't get out of the way. If he had Reinach might have been pinged for not releasing


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though his apology for sending off Heysel was unnecessary


The "apology" is the figment of some people's imagination.

It's not. he said, 'I'm sorry, I have no choice'.


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Jensrsa wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
Here's that breakdown of the penalties v the Sadists. It's only the first 8.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ6mxTqXyXU

1 and 8 are contentious, the rest are ok for me.


1 was a definite knock

8 is OK, McCaw was tackle assist but never got his hands on the ball and then didn't get out of the way. If he had Reinach might have been pinged for not releasing


He penalised Todd for....what?

Why does McCaw have to get out of the way though? And Reinach not releasing was the first offence.


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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
Here's that breakdown of the penalties v the Sadists. It's only the first 8.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ6mxTqXyXU

1 and 8 are contentious, the rest are ok for me.

I think 5 is wrong. Todd makes the tackle, a Sharks player stands over/slightly past the ball but no Crusaders player joins. Todd then stands up, grabs the ball and then he is bound onto by an arriving Sharks player. Todd gets his hands on the ball before a ruck is formed so its at least a marginal decision.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:42 am 
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Also, the unbinding at the maul one is correct, but that is virtually never called - especially by SA referees - so you could say it was a bit harsh.


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