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EverReady wrote:I'm not vaccinated but my kids are vaccinated for everything. We have even paid for some extra autism to be sure

They're doomed to a life of celibacy. I had all the vaccines and when I was 15 Emma wouldn't let me put my hand up her top. Coincidence? I think not. I had to eat mumps, small pocks and measles for months to get rid of the celibacy side effects.

Bowens wrote:

houtkabouter wrote:

Bowens wrote:And your wit. Can’t forget that.

You’re American.

Will this one be on your Netflix special?

And here’s a perfect example of why it’s relevant.

I know someone who is anti...sorry pro plague, rabidly so, because of all the bad it can do you etc but is quite happy smoking 20 a day, go figure

houtkabouter wrote:

Bowens wrote:

houtkabouter wrote:

Bowens wrote:And your wit. Can’t forget that.

You’re American.

Will this one be on your Netflix special?

And here’s a perfect example of why it’s relevant.

I take your advice on humor like Ron Jeremy would take tips on fucking from Tim Tebow.

Sandstorm wrote:

Turbogoat wrote:And because there is now so much misinformation from the anti-vaxxers out there, both benign and deliberate, it's not just the easily-led and the gullible who've been caught up in it.
It's also why choosing to simply ignore their falsehoods isn't always the best option. They need to be shot down, they need to be shown the errors of their ways, if not for their sake, the peddlers of this anti-vaxxer bullshit, but for anyone else reading their schtick who might have been otherwise swayed by it.

Anti-vaxxing is a thing because people are completely rational all day long until they have kids. Then all bets are off!

Hey sandstorm, you saying that people without kids are rational, then they have kids and they become irrational.
I like the way you are having a dig at those nutty pro vaxxers on here that have kids. Good man.
But I have to say, I have met, and listened to a lot of extraordinarily rational, intelligent, articulate people with kids, and for that matter, without kids, when it comes to vaccines.
Sadly, a lot of the pro vaxxers on here don’t fit the rational, articulate etc bracket. And are they an angry bunch of suckers! Something about rugby maybe? Too many knocks to the thinking / rational part of their brain?? Maybe turbo could give us one of his fancy pictures to explain it?

jambanja wrote:I know someone who is anti...sorry pro plague, rabidly so, because of all the bad it can do you etc but is quite happy smoking 20 a day, go figure

Mate, probably best you keep away from the whacky baccy before you post. It would be easier to ‘go figure’ if what you wrote made any sense. Is the ‘someone I know’ you by any chance?

Just shut the fudge up, you stupid f**king fudge.

Italy bans unvaccinated children from school

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47536981

Enzedder wrote:

fattyboy wrote:

Enzedder wrote:Using Fattyboy's argument, I know of hundreds upon hundreds of kids who have had vaccines. I know of none who have suffered any ill effects. The odds against a reaction are lotto-like and yet the pro-disease faction will ensure that thousands of kids around the world will suffer horrible effects in the next few years, with their chicken-little attitude.

Great science backed facts there old boy. You’ve convinced me......not. oh hey, nz’er, I know of hundreds upon hundreds of kids who have been vaccinated and have been harmed due to the pro vaxxers chicken little attitude.

No you haven't - you've read about 1 or 2 but never met anybody who has been harmed or had a kid who's been harmed.

You're full if shit Sliver, but there is no vaccination against that so you're safe.

Ok, so let me get this straight. Im “full if shit sliver”. Hmmm, so I know less about me than those pesky voices in your head tell you about me. Nope, I’m not buying it. By the way, you had your meds today?

The force is very strong with this one.

There's a certain irony to an anti-vaxxer resorting to asking "have you taken your meds?"

fattyboy wrote:

Enzedder wrote:

fattyboy wrote:

Enzedder wrote:Using Fattyboy's argument, I know of hundreds upon hundreds of kids who have had vaccines. I know of none who have suffered any ill effects. The odds against a reaction are lotto-like and yet the pro-disease faction will ensure that thousands of kids around the world will suffer horrible effects in the next few years, with their chicken-little attitude.

Great science backed facts there old boy. You’ve convinced me......not. oh hey, nz’er, I know of hundreds upon hundreds of kids who have been vaccinated and have been harmed due to the pro vaxxers chicken little attitude.

No you haven't - you've read about 1 or 2 but never met anybody who has been harmed or had a kid who's been harmed.

You're full if shit Sliver, but there is no vaccination against that so you're safe.

Ok, so let me get this straight. Im “full if shit sliver”. Hmmm, so I know less about me than those pesky voices in your head tell you about me. Nope, I’m not buying it. By the way, you had your meds today?

Are you pro-plague?

CM11 wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:

Raggs wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:I had every vaccine available in the 70s and I still got whooping cough (2 years old), chickenpox (8) and measles (14)

I don’t know which side I’m helping with this information. Sorry.

Vaccines don't stop you getting illnesses.

Let's use a rugby analogy.

Team Brian, Team Bill and Team Virus have never played against each other. Team Virus however has played against a lot of very similar teams to Team Brian and Team Bill, and know what to expect.

Team Brian's coach decide they're fine going into the game blind. They get their arses kicked by Team Virus.

Team Bill's coach decides to hire Team Vaccine to train against. Team Vaccine are basically a load of injured players from Team Virus, not a perfect match for the real thing, not very likely to put up much of a score, but give Team Bill a very good idea on how to play them, and what to expect. Team Bill play Team Virus, and do fairly well, since they know what's coming, they react much faster to Team Virus's tactics.

WTF?

It's a bit convoluted but still accurate.

Your body is given a benign strain of the virus so it can be taught how to fight it. As a result most people don't even know they've got the virus because their body kills it instantly and more importantly doesn't spread it to people with lowered immune systems who would be incapable of either getting the vaccine or fighting off the virus properly.

Whoa! That’s sure as hell the ‘short version’.
You skipped a few key points such as what the virus is grown on (all sorts of shite, monkey kidney cells, aborted foetuses etc), the adjuvants used (aluminium is good for humans, esp. wee babies, right?), the preservatives used (formaldehyde and Carbolic acid), that special lipids are used in some (can incite autoimmune in the brain), that MSG is used in some (a brain excitotoxin), that thimerosol (Mercury) was used until the late 90’s, that the jab goes straight into the arms, legs etc, so bypasses the bodies natural filter (liver).
I could go on, but my point is that you need to do better with your explanations or otherwise people in the know will think that you really don’t know much about the subject!

well, that's changed my mind.

fattyboy wrote:

CM11 wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:

Raggs wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:I had every vaccine available in the 70s and I still got whooping cough (2 years old), chickenpox (8) and measles (14)

I don’t know which side I’m helping with this information. Sorry.

Vaccines don't stop you getting illnesses.

Let's use a rugby analogy.

Team Brian, Team Bill and Team Virus have never played against each other. Team Virus however has played against a lot of very similar teams to Team Brian and Team Bill, and know what to expect.

Team Brian's coach decide they're fine going into the game blind. They get their arses kicked by Team Virus.

Team Bill's coach decides to hire Team Vaccine to train against. Team Vaccine are basically a load of injured players from Team Virus, not a perfect match for the real thing, not very likely to put up much of a score, but give Team Bill a very good idea on how to play them, and what to expect. Team Bill play Team Virus, and do fairly well, since they know what's coming, they react much faster to Team Virus's tactics.

WTF?

It's a bit convoluted but still accurate.

Your body is given a benign strain of the virus so it can be taught how to fight it. As a result most people don't even know they've got the virus because their body kills it instantly and more importantly doesn't spread it to people with lowered immune systems who would be incapable of either getting the vaccine or fighting off the virus properly.

Whoa! That’s sure as hell the ‘short version’.
You skipped a few key points such as what the virus is grown on (all sorts of shite, monkey kidney cells, aborted foetuses etc), the adjuvants used (aluminium is good for humans, esp. wee babies, right?), the preservatives used (formaldehyde and Carbolic acid), that special lipids are used in some (can incite autoimmune in the brain), that MSG is used in some (a brain excitotoxin), that thimerosol (Mercury) was used until the late 90’s, that the jab goes straight into the arms, legs etc, so bypasses the bodies natural filter (liver).
I could go on, but my point is that you need to do better with your explanations or otherwise people in the know will think that you really don’t know much about the subject!

Considering you just regurgitated the same misinformation shared by pro-plague advocates I would suggest that you know even less about the subject...

I tend to think that is what they think fatty, people in the know think you really dont know much about the subject.

Ok kids. This has been a blast but the low level of intellect on this thread is starting to get tedious. So, I’m gonna cut and run.
But, before doing so, on a serious note, I’m not anti vax. I believe that everyone should be able to choose whether to vaccinate or not to.

But, before anyone vaccinates themselves or their precious children, they should have informed consent ( they should be provided with the vaccine insert and given details of all ingredients and possible side effects; pros and cons of each vaccine - for example, does a baby really need Hep B for a disease we are told drug addicts, prostitutes etc are at higher risk of contracting).

In addition, everyone should look up “ children injured by vaccines”. And also, have a read of info put out by: GreenMedicalInfo, dr Suzanne Humphries, Robert Kennedy jnr; Del Bigtree (Vaxxed), Larry Cook, Ty and Charlene Bollinger - the truth about vaccines. There are numerous others, but that is enough.

Check out what the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 was about. Does that seem right to you? Check out the Vaccine Court in America. A hard Court to get heard in. Any payouts????

And once you have done the above, then if vaccines are still your thing, go for it. But don’t expect everyone to have to vaccinate their kids and themselves.
And don’t use the “oh, the poor immune compromised kids / people bs”. The shedding from someone who has been vaccinated is more dangerous than an unvaccinated kid.

Farewell!

fattyboy wrote: Farewell!

Is that a promise?

I have an issue there though. Many of the ingredients are not well understood. For example, you refer to vaccines having thimerosol (C9H9HgNaO2S) in them as a concern. Thimerosol is a compound that contains mercury. It also contains other elements. It is not mercury. You know the difference between compounds right? You know water (H2O) is vital for human life, but hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) is deadly. Both contain oxygen and hydrogen. You know sodium (Na) as an element ignites upon contact with oxygen, and chlorine (Cl) is a gas used in WW1 in chemical warfare, but when combined in a compound is vital for human health and sits on most people's dinner tables and is sprinkled on their dinner (NaCl).

If people like you are spreading misleading information, then we have a problem.
You are dangerous and clearly dont understand what you are talking about.

Kiwias wrote:

fattyboy wrote: Farewell!

Is that a promise?

if only it could be somewhat permanent...

I love the way he claims to be NOT anti-vax, just wanting all to make "informed consent" but cites a range of people who support his farked up POV as proof he has credible sources. Even the most cursory of checks on those sources reveals ALL have been thoroughly discredited as dangerous, lying dickwads (although the medical profession may have been a tad more diplomatic in their use of words).

Then he runs away...what a fucktard

To be fair "I'm not [x] I just think people should be able to choose..." is the great mantra of our time.

What people who claim they just want people to be able to make an informed choice actually want is for people is people to ignore the information supported by actual data to instead choose the information that support the position the want to be true.

Fat Old Git wrote:What people who claim they just want people to be able to make an informed choice actually want is for people is people to ignore the information supported by actual data to instead choose the information that support the position the want to be true.

That and, when it comes to vaccines, selfishness.

Yes, there is a risk taking a vaccine. Not a massively high one for serious side effects. But the alternative is way more suffering.

It's the equivalent of the decision to save one person or 1000s depending on whether you swerve or not but that person is your child and they might actually come out of the accident unscathed because they have somewhere to jump and can see you coming.

CM11 wrote:

Fat Old Git wrote:What people who claim they just want people to be able to make an informed choice actually want is for people is people to ignore the information supported by actual data to instead choose the information that support the position the want to be true.

That and, when it comes to vaccines, selfishness.

Yes, there is a risk taking a vaccine. Not a massively high one for serious side effects. But the alternative is way more suffering.

It's the equivalent of the decision to save one person or 1000s depending on whether you swerve or not but that person is your child and they might actually come out of the accident unscathed because they have somewhere to jump and can see you coming.

Thing is the vaccine, in the vast majority of cases, make the person receiving it safer too.

Having some anti-vaxxer poke their head into PR from time to time is kinda handy tbh, it illustrates how piss-poor and dishonest their 'arguments' are, how reliant they are on utterly discredited 'studies' etc... and generally gives everyone a bit of practice at spotting the nutjob, shutting them down and ensuring they don't manage to do any real damage.

It's almost like a small dose of just such a troll as that one has successfully vaccinated PR in case of a genuine invasion of such germs.

There's a reader poll on the journal.ie today about whether unvaccinated kids should be banned from school.
https://www.thejournal.ie/children-who- ... 8-Mar2019/

Against my better judgement I went and checked the comments.
While largely sensible, there are some absolute morons in there.

Picked one random pro-plague example who makes some comment about filling your kids full of chemicals and clicked through to her FB page.
A selection of stories she's shared include mobile phones causing cancer, and bemoaning the Irish housing crisis while attacking banks/developers. She also works for a fucking medical devices company.


This reinforced my firmly held belief that people should have to pass some form of questionnaire before being allowed internet access.

fattyboy wrote:Ok kids. This has been a blast but the low level of intellect on this thread is starting to get tedious. So, I’m gonna cut and run.
But, before doing so, on a serious note, I’m not anti vax. I believe that everyone should be able to choose whether to vaccinate or not to.

But, before anyone vaccinates themselves or their precious children, they should have informed consent ( they should be provided with the vaccine insert and given details of all ingredients and possible side effects; pros and cons of each vaccine - for example, does a baby really need Hep B for a disease we are told drug addicts, prostitutes etc are at higher risk of contracting).

In addition, everyone should look up “ children injured by vaccines”. And also, have a read of info put out by: GreenMedicalInfo, dr Suzanne Humphries, Robert Kennedy jnr; Del Bigtree (Vaxxed), Larry Cook, Ty and Charlene Bollinger - the truth about vaccines. There are numerous others, but that is enough.

Check out what the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 was about. Does that seem right to you? Check out the Vaccine Court in America. A hard Court to get heard in. Any payouts????

And once you have done the above, then if vaccines are still your thing, go for it. But don’t expect everyone to have to vaccinate their kids and themselves.
And don’t use the “oh, the poor immune compromised kids / people bs”. The shedding from someone who has been vaccinated is more dangerous than an unvaccinated kid.

Farewell!

Coward.

Typical pro-plaguer.....cut and run when your 'oh so clever' use of word salad and opinion based blogs is shot down.

Another case of faux intelligence.......bye.

Turbogoat wrote:Having some anti-vaxxer poke their head into PR from time to time is kinda handy tbh, it illustrates how piss-poor and dishonest their 'arguments' are, how reliant they are on utterly discredited 'studies' etc... and generally gives everyone a bit of practice at spotting the nutjob, shutting them down and ensuring they don't manage to do any real damage.

It's almost like a small dose of just such a troll as that one has successfully vaccinated PR in case of a genuine invasion of such germs.

Good analogy, bit of target practice is always handy

who says all anti-vaxxers are dumb?



this photo suggests all are...

Hong Kong wrote:https://www.thedailybeast.com/gofundme- ... um=ios_app

Italian Anti-vaxxer-in-chief came down with the measles.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20190 ... enpox.aspx

Not sure what the Italian word for Schadenfreude is, but it'd definitely be very, very wrong to have a bit of a giggle about this one and you should all feel very ashamed of yourselves for doing so.

More schadenfreud

A mumps outbreak is happening among students at two universities in Nottingham, health officials have confirmed.

More than 220 people are already believed to have been infected with the virus, which can trigger deadly meningitis if it spreads to the brain.

Public Health England has said young people who weren't vaccinated as children are most 'vulnerable' to the infection.

New York County declares measles emergency, bans unvaccinated from public spaces

fattyboy wrote:

CM11 wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:

Raggs wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:I had every vaccine available in the 70s and I still got whooping cough (2 years old), chickenpox (8) and measles (14)

I don’t know which side I’m helping with this information. Sorry.

Vaccines don't stop you getting illnesses.

Let's use a rugby analogy.

Team Brian, Team Bill and Team Virus have never played against each other. Team Virus however has played against a lot of very similar teams to Team Brian and Team Bill, and know what to expect.

Team Brian's coach decide they're fine going into the game blind. They get their arses kicked by Team Virus.

Team Bill's coach decides to hire Team Vaccine to train against. Team Vaccine are basically a load of injured players from Team Virus, not a perfect match for the real thing, not very likely to put up much of a score, but give Team Bill a very good idea on how to play them, and what to expect. Team Bill play Team Virus, and do fairly well, since they know what's coming, they react much faster to Team Virus's tactics.

WTF?

It's a bit convoluted but still accurate.

Your body is given a benign strain of the virus so it can be taught how to fight it. As a result most people don't even know they've got the virus because their body kills it instantly and more importantly doesn't spread it to people with lowered immune systems who would be incapable of either getting the vaccine or fighting off the virus properly.

Whoa! That’s sure as hell the ‘short version’.
You skipped a few key points such as what the virus is grown on (all sorts of shite, monkey kidney cells, aborted foetuses etc), the adjuvants used (aluminium is good for humans, esp. wee babies, right?), the preservatives used (formaldehyde and Carbolic acid), that special lipids are used in some (can incite autoimmune in the brain), that MSG is used in some (a brain excitotoxin), that thimerosol (Mercury) was used until the late 90’s, that the jab goes straight into the arms, legs etc, so bypasses the bodies natural filter (liver).
I could go on, but my point is that you need to do better with your explanations or otherwise people in the know will think that you really don’t know much about the subject!

It isn't mercury though is it you fucking retard. Or do you think table salt is chlorine or sodium?

ManInTheBar wrote:New York County declares measles emergency, bans unvaccinated from public spaces

Mind numbing.

Rockland County, on the Hudson River north of New York City, has barred unvaccinated children from public spaces after 153 cases were confirmed.

Violating the order will be punishable by a fine of $500 (£378) and up to six months in prison.

Tuesday's announcement follows other outbreaks of the disease in Washington, California, Texas and Illinois.

Vaccination rates have dropped steadily in the US with many parents objecting for philosophical or religious reasons, or because they believe misleading information that vaccines cause autism in children.

"We will not sit idly by while children in our community are at risk," Rockland County Executive Ed Day said in a statement.

"This is a public health crisis and it is time to sound the alarm."

Maybe more crises like this will remind people that every medical interventions involves risk/benefit analysis. No one would claim that vaccines are risk free, but this reminds us that not being vaccinated is risky too. As effective preventative medicine vaccines are right up there with exercise and not smoking, and a lot better than raw vegetable shakes and flora margarine.

Gwenno wrote:Maybe more crises like this will remind people that every medical interventions involves risk/benefit analysis. No one would claim that vaccines are risk free, but this reminds us that not being vaccinated is risky too. As effective preventative medicine vaccines are right up there with exercise and not smoking, and a lot better than raw vegetable shakes and flora margarine.

I've heard that adding aloe to a raw vegetable shake boost the preventive capabilities.

Turbogoat wrote:Italian Anti-vaxxer-in-chief came down with the measles.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20190 ... enpox.aspx

Not sure what the Italian word for Schadenfreude is, but it'd definitely be very, very wrong to have a bit of a giggle about this one and you should all feel very ashamed of yourselves for doing so.

Serves the stupid, lying cunt right.

This reinforced my firmly held belief that people should have to pass some form of intelligence test before being allowed to breed.

fixed.