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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:43 pm 
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-48720176
I was one of those 10,000+ signatures. The sad fact is that even if every Plaid and Labour voter voted Lib Dem it would be still be a close run thing. It's likely that the Tories will get in again here, and possibly with the same man, but I don't regret doing it because rarely have I met such a stupid MP, of any shade. If a Tory is going to represent my constituency, haven't they any with a brain?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:55 pm 
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I was one of those 10,000+ signatures. The sad fact is that even if every Plaid and Labour voter voted Lib Dem it would be still be a close run thing. It's likely that the Tories will get in again here, and possibly with the same man, but I don't regret doing it because rarely have I met such a stupid MP, of any shade. If a Tory is going to represent my constituency, haven't they any with a brain?

Considering the leadership race of said party is resembling 'two girls, one cup' I wouldn't bet on it.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:59 pm 
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Brexit parties first MP to get in ?
Would farage nominate himself ?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:05 pm 
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Can he run whilst being an MEP?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:11 pm 
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Brexit parties first MP to get in ?
Would farage nominate himself ?

This area was quite pro Brexit largely because the hill farmers voted this way. Many told me that they would be worse off out of Europe, but they voted leave because they were fed up with all the paper work!


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:11 pm 
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I hope Waldo the Bear wins.


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Gwenno wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-48720176
I was one of those 10,000+ signatures. The sad fact is that even if every Plaid and Labour voter voted Lib Dem it would be still be a close run thing. It's likely that the Tories will get in again here, and possibly with the same man, but I don't regret doing it because rarely have I met such a stupid MP, of any shade. If a Tory is going to represent my constituency, haven't they any with a brain?

Indeed. He needn't have forged his espenses as there were means he could have claimed them legitimately :roll: :lol: :lol:
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He had tried to split the cost of £700 worth of pictures between two office budgets by creating fake invoices, when he could have claimed the amount by other means.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:39 pm 
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Can he run whilst being an MEP?

He can run but would have to resign his MEP post to take his place in Parliament.

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A European Council decision of 2002 states that "the office of MEP is incompatible with that of member of a national parliament". An MEP who is elected as an MP, or appointed a Peer, therefore has to stand down from the European Parliament.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:39 pm 
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So until the by-election are the Tories down another vote?


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So until the by-election are the Tories down another vote?

Don't think so. Didn't Onasanya get to vote in the Brexit debacle?


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:58 am 
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I wonder if the recent Tory penchant for violence against wimmin will be a Guardian rallying cry.
Field and now Boris :((


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:30 am 
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Any Brexit party votes will mainly be siphoned off the Tory vote - so a decent BP turnout could actually split the Tory vote & make it possible for the Lib Dems to get in.

Hill farmers obviously not the brightest bunch out there :uhoh: - they're essentially saying yes to 40% tariffs on Lamb exports / 0% tariffs on meat imports / abolition of CAP - all of which will kill their businesses


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:44 am 
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Any Brexit party votes will mainly be siphoned off the Tory vote - so a decent BP turnout could actually split the Tory vote & make it possible for the Lib Dems to get in.

Hill farmers obviously not the brightest bunch out there :uhoh: - they're essentially saying yes to 40% tariffs on Lamb exports / 0% tariffs on meat imports / abolition of CAP - all of which will kill their businesses

The average hill farmer thinks he is being canny, but mostly they are just parochial and stubborn. They are tough hard workers, often easy to like, great at not wasting money, but also mistrusting and unsophisticated. They are reactionary small c conservatives, shown in their voting - in Welsh speaking areas often Liberal versus Plaid, in the borders Liberal versus Tory - but never Labour. Round here they are a bit like the Mafia without the murder and pasta.


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So until the by-election are the Tories down another vote?

Don't think so. Didn't Onasanya get to vote in the Brexit debacle?


Once the petition reaches 10% the seat is vacant


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:21 pm 
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So until the by-election are the Tories down another vote?

Don't think so. Didn't Onasanya get to vote in the Brexit debacle?


Once the petition reaches 10% the seat is vacant

I guess that forces a quick decision on a by-election


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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-48736879
The bugger is standing again.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:52 pm 
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Gwenno wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-48720176
I was one of those 10,000+ signatures. The sad fact is that even if every Plaid and Labour voter voted Lib Dem it would be still be a close run thing. It's likely that the Tories will get in again here, and possibly with the same man, but I don't regret doing it because rarely have I met such a stupid MP, of any shade. If a Tory is going to represent my constituency, haven't they any with a brain?


Isn't it the case that the long standing Lib Dem MP lost his seat when the electorate punished them for going into a coalition with the Tories? Lib Dems had held the seat for a long long time. Perfectly plausible for those votes that have gone astray since 2015 may well return. After all, none of the other options look particularly appealing.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:56 pm 
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The bugger is standing again.

How the feck haven't the Tories thrown the crook out of the Party?


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One wonders if Labour can swindle this like they did Peterbrough.


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Gwenno wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-48720176
I was one of those 10,000+ signatures. The sad fact is that even if every Plaid and Labour voter voted Lib Dem it would be still be a close run thing. It's likely that the Tories will get in again here, and possibly with the same man, but I don't regret doing it because rarely have I met such a stupid MP, of any shade. If a Tory is going to represent my constituency, haven't they any with a brain?


Isn't it the case that the long standing Lib Dem MP lost his seat when the electorate punished them for going into a coalition with the Tories? Lib Dems had held the seat for a long long time. Perfectly plausible for those votes that have gone astray since 2015 may well return. After all, none of the other options look particularly appealing.

Lib Dem are the remain party. Every plaid, Tory and Labour voter will take that into account


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:18 pm 
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Gwenno wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-48720176
I was one of those 10,000+ signatures. The sad fact is that even if every Plaid and Labour voter voted Lib Dem it would be still be a close run thing. It's likely that the Tories will get in again here, and possibly with the same man, but I don't regret doing it because rarely have I met such a stupid MP, of any shade. If a Tory is going to represent my constituency, haven't they any with a brain?


Isn't it the case that the long standing Lib Dem MP lost his seat when the electorate punished them for going into a coalition with the Tories? Lib Dems had held the seat for a long long time. Perfectly plausible for those votes that have gone astray since 2015 may well return. After all, none of the other options look particularly appealing.

Maybe, but the crook's majority went UP in the snap election, possibly the only Tory that happened to.


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There is a quiet buzz that Plaid and Green may officially stand down, lending their (2000?) votes to Lib Dem. However Plaid got 12% in Powys as a whole in the Euros, so who knows?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:37 pm 
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There is a quiet buzz that Plaid and Green may officially stand down, lending their (2000?) votes to Lib Dem. However Plaid got 12% in Powys as a whole in the Euros, so who knows?

:thumbup:


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Green are standing aside


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Victory for Lib Dems. Greens and Plaid standing aside probably made the difference. Blowjob has a majority of 1 now. How long before the vote of confidence?


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Well done to the Brexit party on getting another remain MP elected :uhoh:


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The European Empire is striking Back


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Well done to the Brexit party on getting another remain MP elected :uhoh:


Isn't this kind of what they (BP) wanted? Their narrow interest is purely about scaring the Conservatives, just as it was for UKIP.

They have done enough to make Boris think he has to be as Brexity as possible and maybe even offer them a pact in future elections.


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The European Empire is striking Back

The famous British (English) Bulldog spirit - it thought it was licking its cock but it was actually biting its balls.


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If Boris runs a GE with the brexit party he’ll walk it, labour however are deader than disco.


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SamShark wrote:
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Well done to the Brexit party on getting another remain MP elected :uhoh:


Isn't this kind of what they (BP) wanted? Their narrow interest is purely about scaring the Conservatives, just as it was for UKIP.

They have done enough to make Boris think he has to be as Brexity as possible and maybe even offer them a pact in future elections.


I'm not really sure how the Tories could be more pro-Brexit than they are under Johnson. Boot out all remainers maybe?

You may be right about wanting a pact but realistically how will that work? They just wouldn't campaign in some areas? The vote would still get split and there's no chance the tories stand down and dont contest all constituencies.


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If Boris runs a GE with the brexit party he’ll walk it, labour however are deader than disco.


It's certainly possible he'll win because of Labour's weakness but he'd shed a few more Tory voters to Lib Dems.


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If Boris runs a GE with the brexit party he’ll walk it, labour however are deader than disco.



A serial adulterer and extremely disloyal minister and a man who resigned 4 times and formed a party to run against the party he formed are going to form a pact and stick to it are they?


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Considering the results of the last few by elections I am starting to think the UK electorate are onto the Brexshits


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Considering the results of the last few by elections I am starting to think the UK electorate are onto the Brexshits


Why?


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Considering the results of the last few by elections I am starting to think the UK electorate are onto the Brexshits


Why?


Eh because of the results for the no Brexit party. Is that another one of those stupid questions that we have to suffer in this brave new world where you will no push your glasses up your nose and point out 56.4% of voting public have voted for Brexit looking candidates and furthermore if you include Labour and Independent Brexit candidates for change that is 48% more which is more than a majority's


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Considering the results of the last few by elections I am starting to think the UK electorate are onto the Brexshits


Why?



Because the Liberals Democrats have won two seats.

Glad I could clear that up.


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EverReady wrote:
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Considering the results of the last few by elections I am starting to think the UK electorate are onto the Brexshits


Why?


Eh because of the results for the no Brexit party. Is that another one of those stupid questions that we have to suffer in this brave new world where you will no push your glasses up your nose and point out 56.4% of voting public have voted for Brexit looking candidates and furthermore if you include Labour and Independent Brexit candidates for change that is 48% more which is more than a majority's



While ignoring the presence of two more ardent remain votes in the already no deal opposed HoC


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It's very much as we were before. This constituency voted 51-49 in the referendum.

In this by-election:

43% voted for remain candidate
49% voted for leave candidates

5% voted labour who I guess could be shoved into the remain camp but who knows really.

So yeah, I'm not seeing much change in voters views on Brexit.


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It is a fücking farce. Between the US and middle England they have fücked up everything Italian styley


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