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 Post subject: Refugee Crisis
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:27 am 
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# of refugees arriving in Europe by crossing the Mediterranean

2014 216K
2015 1m
2016 363K
2017 171K
2018 114K
2019 (as of mid-July) 30K

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Merkel trying to end European civilisation. Bitch!


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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
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Or trying to boost the German Chlorine & TCP industry


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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
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The Italians have done a cracking job. :thumbup:


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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
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yes, now most are at the bottom of the sea, in rape camps in tripoli or agadir, or stuck in slave labour in turkey if lucky

but well done EU for solving the crisis in a humane and compassionate manner


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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
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The 2016 figures... wasn't that the year Merkel let in a million to Germany alone and yet only 365k came via the Med? That seems wrong.

Incidentally I was in Cologne and Hamburg that Summer, stations at both went from normal traffic to completely saturated with migrants waiting to be taken somewhere within about 2 days of the first arrivals. It was quite something to observe such a sudden explosion in people.


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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
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yes, now most are at the bottom of the sea, in rape camps in tripoli or agadir, or stuck in slave labour in turkey if lucky

but well done EU for solving the crisis in a humane and compassionate manner

Yes, well done Europa: 1.25 cheers.

Is someone were to launch conventional or unconventional war against the EU, I would have to think hard about who to support.


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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
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wait until we get climate refugees. we probably aint seen nothing yet


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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
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yes, now most are at the bottom of the sea, in rape camps in tripoli or agadir, or stuck in slave labour in turkey if lucky

but well done EU for solving the crisis in a humane and compassionate manner

Well some middle aged white guys who enjoy coating their screens in spittle are happy, so there is that.


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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
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Could be a good time to pick up a cheap watch and sunglasses, every cloud.... :blush:


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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
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Could be a good time to pick up a cheap watch and sunglasses, every cloud.... :blush:

Maybe I should start adding blushy faces to my posts.


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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
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We're all doomed if it becomes like the last refugee crisis when the Pilgrim f**king Fathers were not only absorbed but took over and bossed the whole joint - making zero effort to integrate.


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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:13 pm 
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booze wrote:
wait until we get climate refugees. we probably aint seen nothing yet

That's exactly right. The climate science deniers who are usually nationalist right wing anti immigration have blown their foot off with a shot gun on that one.

On the other hand I doubt behind closed doors even the most stringent progressive leftist liberal would repeat the EU immigration experiments of the past decade. Even Sweden is tightening up.

Some poor people from poor countries are in for a tough half century.


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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
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Mog The Almighty wrote:
booze wrote:
wait until we get climate refugees. we probably aint seen nothing yet

That's exactly right. The climate science deniers who are usually nationalist right wing anti immigration have blown their foot off with a shot gun on that one.

On the other hand I doubt behind closed doors even the most stringent progressive leftist liberal would repeat the EU immigration experiments of the past decade. Even Sweden is tightening up.

Some poor people from poor countries are in for a tough half century.



They’re more likely to be poor and suffer because of fossil fuel policy than anything else.


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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
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bimboman wrote:
Mog The Almighty wrote:
booze wrote:
wait until we get climate refugees. we probably aint seen nothing yet

That's exactly right. The climate science deniers who are usually nationalist right wing anti immigration have blown their foot off with a shot gun on that one.

On the other hand I doubt behind closed doors even the most stringent progressive leftist liberal would repeat the EU immigration experiments of the past decade. Even Sweden is tightening up.

Some poor people from poor countries are in for a tough half century.



They’re more likely to be poor and suffer because of fossil fuel policy than anything else.

Well it's all connected innit?


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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
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Mog The Almighty wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Mog The Almighty wrote:
booze wrote:
wait until we get climate refugees. we probably aint seen nothing yet

That's exactly right. The climate science deniers who are usually nationalist right wing anti immigration have blown their foot off with a shot gun on that one.

On the other hand I doubt behind closed doors even the most stringent progressive leftist liberal would repeat the EU immigration experiments of the past decade. Even Sweden is tightening up.

Some poor people from poor countries are in for a tough half century.



They’re more likely to be poor and suffer because of fossil fuel policy than anything else.

Well it's all connected innit?



Yeah but let’s forgo the Moral shit about caring for poor people and banning the use of fossil fuels.


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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
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bimboman wrote:
Mog The Almighty wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Mog The Almighty wrote:
booze wrote:
wait until we get climate refugees. we probably aint seen nothing yet

That's exactly right. The climate science deniers who are usually nationalist right wing anti immigration have blown their foot off with a shot gun on that one.

On the other hand I doubt behind closed doors even the most stringent progressive leftist liberal would repeat the EU immigration experiments of the past decade. Even Sweden is tightening up.

Some poor people from poor countries are in for a tough half century.



They’re more likely to be poor and suffer because of fossil fuel policy than anything else.

Well it's all connected innit?



Yeah but let’s forgo the Moral shit about caring for poor people and banning the use of fossil fuels.


I genuinely care about both poor people from disadvantaged countries and the environment.

Virtue signalling is a legit term and problem but not every non-loon-right sentiment qualifies for it

And I have polarizing (on the right/left divide) opinions on them. I think mass immigration for the privileged few (for their standards) and leaving the countrys poorest and least capable lorded over by religious zealots/assholes-with-the-biggest-stick is not the answer (right) and ending our reliance on fossil fuels as quickly as possible is also necessary for the biosphere that sustains all life on earth(leftist/common-farking-sense) and also the long term economy (realist) and protecting the environment now woukd also mitigate future immigration problems (could be interpreted as either right or left but it's too nuanced for either tribe to get behind because parts of it don't suite either).

I firmly believe it you're all-in on one side of the political divide on every issue, you're not thinking critically and just playing identity politics.

In short it's not "moral shit", its well thought out and fits in no particular political camp.
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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
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Bullettyme wrote:
Akkerman wrote:
yes, now most are at the bottom of the sea, in rape camps in tripoli or agadir, or stuck in slave labour in turkey if lucky

but well done EU for solving the crisis in a humane and compassionate manner

Well some middle aged white guys who enjoy coating their screens in spittle are happy, so there is that.


What a strange fellow you are.


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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
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We're all doomed if it becomes like the last refugee crisis when the Pilgrim f**king Fathers were not only absorbed but took over and bossed the whole joint - making zero effort to integrate.


Playing lacrosse isn't integrating?


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bimboman wrote:
Mog The Almighty wrote:
booze wrote:
wait until we get climate refugees. we probably aint seen nothing yet

That's exactly right. The climate science deniers who are usually nationalist right wing anti immigration have blown their foot off with a shot gun on that one.

On the other hand I doubt behind closed doors even the most stringent progressive leftist liberal would repeat the EU immigration experiments of the past decade. Even Sweden is tightening up.

Some poor people from poor countries are in for a tough half century.



They’re more likely to be poor and suffer because of fossil fuel policy than anything else.


True, the historical burning of fossil fuels has f**ked them thanks to climate change.


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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
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The Man Without Fear wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Mog The Almighty wrote:
booze wrote:
wait until we get climate refugees. we probably aint seen nothing yet

That's exactly right. The climate science deniers who are usually nationalist right wing anti immigration have blown their foot off with a shot gun on that one.

On the other hand I doubt behind closed doors even the most stringent progressive leftist liberal would repeat the EU immigration experiments of the past decade. Even Sweden is tightening up.

Some poor people from poor countries are in for a tough half century.



They’re more likely to be poor and suffer because of fossil fuel policy than anything else.


True, the historical burning of fossil fuels has f**ked them thanks to climate change.




If we spent a fraction on poverty in much of Africa that we do on mysterious climate taxes I’m sure they’d appreciate the chance to a real future.


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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
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Bullettyme wrote:
Akkerman wrote:
yes, now most are at the bottom of the sea, in rape camps in tripoli or agadir, or stuck in slave labour in turkey if lucky

but well done EU for solving the crisis in a humane and compassionate manner

Well some middle aged white guys who enjoy coating their screens in spittle are happy, so there is that.


Name them, if you are so sure.


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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
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bimboman wrote:
The Man Without Fear wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Mog The Almighty wrote:
booze wrote:
wait until we get climate refugees. we probably aint seen nothing yet

That's exactly right. The climate science deniers who are usually nationalist right wing anti immigration have blown their foot off with a shot gun on that one.

On the other hand I doubt behind closed doors even the most stringent progressive leftist liberal would repeat the EU immigration experiments of the past decade. Even Sweden is tightening up.

Some poor people from poor countries are in for a tough half century.



They’re more likely to be poor and suffer because of fossil fuel policy than anything else.


True, the historical burning of fossil fuels has f**ked them thanks to climate change.




If we spent a fraction on poverty in much of Africa that we do on mysterious climate taxes I’m sure they’d appreciate the chance to a real future.


Meanwhile in Africa...

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/07/22/lake-turkana-wind-power-brings-310-megawatts-of-renewable-energy-to-kenya/

But then, applying your reasoning concerning energy transition to communication technology, Africa should be asking the operator to connect them.


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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
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Mog The Almighty wrote:
I firmly believe it you're all-in on one side of the political divide on every issue, you're not thinking critically and just playing identity politics.

Preach :thumbup:


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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
shereblue wrote:
We're all doomed if it becomes like the last refugee crisis when the Pilgrim f**king Fathers were not only absorbed but took over and bossed the whole joint - making zero effort to integrate.


Playing lacrosse isn't integrating?


Touche. I'm educated. :thumbup:


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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
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Asylum applications
2013 431k
2014 626k
2015 1.3m
2016 1.2m
2017 705k
2018 638k

That's about 4m.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_ ... Statistics


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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
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Here's a fun graph:

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World is gonna be lit around 2100. Our grandchildren will be fine, I'm sure.


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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
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Asylum applications
2013 431k
2014 626k
2015 1.3m
2016 1.2m
2017 705k
2018 638k

That's about 4m.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_ ... Statistics

Same trend....interesting.


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paddyor wrote:
Santa wrote:
Asylum applications
2013 431k
2014 626k
2015 1.3m
2016 1.2m
2017 705k
2018 638k

That's about 4m.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_ ... Statistics

Same trend....interesting.


Trend? Idiot. Look at the absolute numbers. Yours misses a million people over 2 years alone.


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Here's a fun graph:

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World is gonna be lit around 2100. Our grandchildren will be fine, I'm sure.

Our?


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Santa wrote:
paddyor wrote:
Santa wrote:
Asylum applications
2013 431k
2014 626k
2015 1.3m
2016 1.2m
2017 705k
2018 638k

That's about 4m.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_ ... Statistics

Same trend....interesting.


Trend? Idiot. Look at the absolute numbers. Yours misses a million people over 2 years alone.


Wait, there is a pretty big difference between asylum applications and arrivals.


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It shows we're not being compassionate enough.


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booze wrote:
wait until we get climate refugees. we probably aint seen nothing yet



FFS this is quackery.


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Farva wrote:
Santa wrote:
paddyor wrote:
Santa wrote:
Asylum applications
2013 431k
2014 626k
2015 1.3m
2016 1.2m
2017 705k
2018 638k

That's about 4m.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_ ... Statistics

Same trend....interesting.


Trend? Idiot. Look at the absolute numbers. Yours misses a million people over 2 years alone.


Wait, there is a pretty big difference between asylum applications and arrivals.


Really so you reckon we should add the number together! :shock:


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Sonny Blount wrote:
booze wrote:
wait until we get climate refugees. we probably aint seen nothing yet



FFS this is quackery.


Yeah. Nah.
What a ridiculous comment.
The current refugee crisis is partly driven by climate change. One of the drivers of the war in Syria is mass migration to the city as farmers floundered from a massive drought, in the years leading up to the war. And there is also a driver from the expansion of the Sahara into sub Sahara Africa meaning that farmers are not able to predict rainfall and hence are experiencing crop failure.

Increased climate change will only make this worse.


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Meanwhile in Africa...

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/07/22/la ... -to-kenya/

But then, applying your reasoning concerning energy transition to communication technology, Africa should be asking the operator to connect them.



And here we have it 310 mega watts , the conscience equivalent of
Your electric car.


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Meanwhile in Africa...

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/07/22/la ... -to-kenya/

But then, applying your reasoning concerning energy transition to communication technology, Africa should be asking the operator to connect them.



And here we have it 310 mega watts , the conscience equivalent of
Your electric car.


I dont get it? What is the issue there? That is a big wind project and will contribute a lot of power to Kenya. My back of the envelope calc assuming 35% availability gets to around a TWh of power a year from that project. A quick google suggests that Kenya is heavily reliant on hydropower (52%) and that fossil fuels only account for 32.5% - https://energypedia.info/wiki/Kenya_Ene ... _Situation - they are low carbon emitters as it is.
Most international renewable development funds in Asia also have investments in Africa too. And many are going in to South America. There is a lot more going on that you think.


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Farva wrote:
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Meanwhile in Africa...

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/07/22/la ... -to-kenya/

But then, applying your reasoning concerning energy transition to communication technology, Africa should be asking the operator to connect them.



And here we have it 310 mega watts , the conscience equivalent of
Your electric car.


I dont get it? What is the issue there? That is a big wind project and will contribute a lot of power to Kenya. My back of the envelope calc assuming 35% availability gets to around a TWh of power a year from that project. A quick google suggests that Kenya is heavily reliant on hydropower (52%) and that fossil fuels only account for 32.5% - https://energypedia.info/wiki/Kenya_Ene ... _Situation - they are low carbon emitters as it is.
Most international renewable development funds in Asia also have investments in Africa too. And many are going in to South America. There is a lot more going on that you think.


70% of their energy comes from renewables and hoping for 100% in the next few years (it was 2020 but I think that will slide a bit). They are one of the few countries to have a renewables minister and it's one of the best run ministries in the country.


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Farva wrote:
Sonny Blount wrote:
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wait until we get climate refugees. we probably aint seen nothing yet



FFS this is quackery.


Yeah. Nah.
What a ridiculous comment.
The current refugee crisis is partly driven by climate change. One of the drivers of the war in Syria is mass migration to the city as farmers floundered from a massive drought, in the years leading up to the war. And there is also a driver from the expansion of the Sahara into sub Sahara Africa meaning that farmers are not able to predict rainfall and hence are experiencing crop failure.

Increased climate change will only make this worse.



Currently, climate change is making food supply more abundant.


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Santa wrote:
paddyor wrote:
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Asylum applications
2013 431k
2014 626k
2015 1.3m
2016 1.2m
2017 705k
2018 638k

That's about 4m.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_ ... Statistics

Same trend....interesting.


Trend? Idiot. Look at the absolute numbers. Yours misses a million people over 2 years alone.

I've bolded the important part.
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noun: trend; plural noun: trends

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a general direction in which something is developing or changing.
"an upward trend in sales and profit margins"
synonyms: tendency, movement, drift, swing, shift, course, current, run, direction, inclination, leaning; More
bias, bent
"an upward trend in unemployment"

2.
a fashion.
"the latest trends in modern dance"
synonyms: fashion, vogue, style, mode, craze, mania, rage; More
informalfad, thing
"the latest trend in dance music"
3.
a topic that is the subject of many posts on a social media website or application within a short period of time.
"for more than 20 days in a row, most of the top Twitter trends were Olympics-related"

verb

1.
change or develop in a general direction.
"unemployment has been trending upwards"
synonyms: move, go, tend, head, drift, gravitate, swing, shift, turn, incline, lean, veer
"interest rates are trending up in Japan"
(especially of a geographical feature) bend or turn away in a specified direction.
verb: trend; 3rd person present: trends; past tense: trended; past participle: trended; gerund or present participle: trending
"the Richelieu River trending southward to Lake Champlain"
2.
(of a topic) be the subject of many posts on a social media website or application within a short period of time.
"I've just taken a quick look at what's trending on Twitter right now"

This must be hard for you. Not only was the tide stemmed, it was reversed. The issue will probably recede in importance over the coming years.


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 Post subject: Re: Refugee Crisis
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paddyor wrote:
Santa wrote:
paddyor wrote:
Santa wrote:
Asylum applications
2013 431k
2014 626k
2015 1.3m
2016 1.2m
2017 705k
2018 638k

That's about 4m.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_ ... Statistics

Same trend....interesting.


Trend? Idiot. Look at the absolute numbers. Yours misses a million people over 2 years alone.

I've bolded the important part.
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trend
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noun
noun: trend; plural noun: trends

1.
a general direction in which something is developing or changing.
"an upward trend in sales and profit margins"
synonyms: tendency, movement, drift, swing, shift, course, current, run, direction, inclination, leaning; More
bias, bent
"an upward trend in unemployment"

2.
a fashion.
"the latest trends in modern dance"
synonyms: fashion, vogue, style, mode, craze, mania, rage; More
informalfad, thing
"the latest trend in dance music"
3.
a topic that is the subject of many posts on a social media website or application within a short period of time.
"for more than 20 days in a row, most of the top Twitter trends were Olympics-related"

verb

1.
change or develop in a general direction.
"unemployment has been trending upwards"
synonyms: move, go, tend, head, drift, gravitate, swing, shift, turn, incline, lean, veer
"interest rates are trending up in Japan"
(especially of a geographical feature) bend or turn away in a specified direction.
verb: trend; 3rd person present: trends; past tense: trended; past participle: trended; gerund or present participle: trending
"the Richelieu River trending southward to Lake Champlain"
2.
(of a topic) be the subject of many posts on a social media website or application within a short period of time.
"I've just taken a quick look at what's trending on Twitter right now"

This must be hard for you. Not only was the tide stemmed, it was reversed. The issue will probably recede in importance over the coming years.


You are a moron.


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