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Interesting goalpost shifting from the bored tories who were salivating at the prospect of a labour defeat.


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Interesting goalpost shifting from the bored tories who were salivating at the prospect of a Labour defeat.


In Oldham? They must have been on the glue last week.


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Interesting goalpost shifting from the bored tories who were salivating at the prospect of a labour defeat.

It's funny as fuuck. Now blaming electoral issues.


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Did I say that? Of course I wouldn't but I'd also not like to see the leader of my country not make them a very expensive and very empty threat. He'd play poker with his cards facing up the man.


Everyone knows a country like the UK can NOT start throwing nuclear bombs around. Why should a potential leader not say this

Or should he lie and treat the public as fools. As many politicians do.



There is a reason politicians sometimes have to lie to the public like idiots it's because by and large they mostly are.

:lol:


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Uncle Fester wrote:
Interesting goalpost shifting from the bored tories who were salivating at the prospect of a labour defeat.



No, most bored Tories were hoping for a labour win. UKIP are more dangerous until the vote is over next year. Plus they want Corbyn leading labour into the next election.


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Uncle Fester wrote:
Interesting goalpost shifting from the bored tories who were salivating at the prospect of a labour defeat.


A labour defeat would probably have been the end for Corbyn, so while it would have provided some immediate amusement it would have meant long term harm for conservative party prospects

Corbyn staying virtually guarantees 5 additional years of conservative rule, Corbyn booted out early into this parliament, with someone like Dan Jarvis leading labour instead is a whole different prospect


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Uncle Fester wrote:
Interesting goalpost shifting from the bored tories who were salivating at the prospect of a labour defeat.


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No, most bored Tories were hoping for a labour win. UKIP are more dangerous until the vote is over next year. Plus they want Corbyn leading labour into the next election.


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Interesting goalpost shifting from the bored tories who were salivating at the prospect of a labour defeat.


A labour defeat would probably have been the end for Corbyn, so while it would have provided some immediate amusement it would have meant long term harm for conservative party prospects

Corbyn staying virtually guarantees 5 additional years of conservative rule, Corbyn booted out early into this parliament, with someone like Dan Jarvis leading labour instead is a whole different prospect


I would advise you not to put your last five bob on that.


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Bill wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Interesting goalpost shifting from the bored tories who were salivating at the prospect of a labour defeat.


A labour defeat would probably have been the end for Corbyn, so while it would have provided some immediate amusement it would have meant long term harm for conservative party prospects

Corbyn staying virtually guarantees 5 additional years of conservative rule, Corbyn booted out early into this parliament, with someone like Dan Jarvis leading labour instead is a whole different prospect

You will certainly not like Jarvis economic stance.
In response to HKCJ : Illigitimi non carborundum
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Why does it not surprise me that Silver is a Corbyn loon/fan



What makes Corbyn a 'loon'?




Lets not forget that socialism is taking from those who've earned money, and giving it to those who haven't. Its is fundamentally flawed, and defies all common sense.


Sounds like the current system to me.


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By a bigger winning % margin

Surely an outstanding, critically important result for Labour and Corbyn

And a great endorsement for a fairer, peace loving country.

I hope Corbyn holds on to the leadership and Labour work to kick out all of these pro war scum MPs.


Naughty, naughty, flouting your illustrious leader's directive to ditch the insults. They know where you live ...they'll be round to fit you up with an ill-fitting suit any minute.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:56 am 
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Interesting goalpost shifting from the bored tories who were salivating at the prospect of a labour defeat.


A labour defeat would probably have been the end for Corbyn, so while it would have provided some immediate amusement it would have meant long term harm for conservative party prospects

Corbyn staying virtually guarantees 5 additional years of conservative rule, Corbyn booted out early into this parliament, with someone like Dan Jarvis leading labour instead is a whole different prospect


I would advise you not to put your last five bob on that.


The bookies have the conservatives at 1/3 for the 2020 GE, what do you think those odds would be if Corbyn was ousted as labour leader and Dan Jarvis put in charge


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Why does it not surprise me that Silver is a Corbyn loon/fan



What makes Corbyn a 'loon'?




Lets not forget that socialism is taking from those who've earned money, and giving it to those who haven't. Its is fundamentally flawed, and defies all common sense.


Sounds like the current system to me.

Boom


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British General Elections are decided by swing seats, which Corbyn has no chance of winning (this was Blair's great strength).

Chuck in the fact that Scotland no longer votes for them and I can see Labour getting seriously wasted at the next GE. Something similar to the collapse of the Liberals in the inter war years.

Anyone dreaming that last night is the first step on the road to a socialist 'utopia' is living in cloud cuckoo land.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:43 am 
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spanks wrote:
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By a bigger winning % margin

Surely an outstanding, critically important result for Labour and Corbyn

And a great endorsement for a fairer, peace loving country.

I hope Corbyn holds on to the leadership and Labour work to kick out all of these pro war scum MPs.

The left sure love using that word to describe people.

Anyone see QT, Nicky Morgan called Corbyn a terrorist sympathiser directly.

It may not be particularly Parliamentary but it is true. There's plenty of his own words to use as evidence.


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Corbyn, McDonnell, and livingstone are terrorist sympathisers.


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Corbyn, McDonnell, and livingstone are terrorist sympathisers.

:lol:
Thread has turned into an adjunct of Faux news.


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Corbyn, McDonnell, and livingstone are terrorist sympathisers.

:lol:
Thread has turned into an adjunct of Faux news.



They all share views of the Provos that would make you blush UF. Add in Hamas and hezbollah and you have some loverly friends.


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When even the normal posters are frothing at the mouth, you know politics has become hopelessly polarised.


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When even the normal posters are frothing at the mouth, you know politics has become hopelessly polarised.


Who are you categorising as normal exactly...?


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HurricaneWasp wrote:
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Why does it not surprise me that Silver is a Corbyn loon/fan



What makes Corbyn a 'loon'?


His communist, terrorist supporting, open borders, anti-army, Pro-Palestine views make him an absolute plum. I don't understand why anyone would agree with anything he says.

Lets not forget that socialism is taking from those who've earned money, and giving it to those who haven't. Its is fundamentally flawed, and defies all common sense.


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Whilst I obviously want a UKIP win, its looking unlikely


Oh dear.....


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Uncle Fester wrote:
When even the normal posters are frothing at the mouth, you know politics has become hopelessly polarised.



Seething...... :lol:

No one is frothing at the mouth.


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Aha

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Oldham was named as one of 16 local authority areas identified as being at greater risk of complaints of alleged vote-rigging being reported. Others on the list are Birmingham, Blackburn with Darwen, Bradford, Burnley, Calderdale, Coventry, Derby, Hyndburn, Kirklees, Pendle, Peterborough, Slough, Tower Hamlets, Walsall, and Woking.

The commission called for electoral registration officers, returning officers and police forces to introduce tough new measures to protect the integrity of the vote.

Allegations of electoral fraud have been reported to police over recent years in Oldham, Rochdale , north Manchester and Bolton and arrests have been made.

The local elections in Oldham in 2000 were overshadowed by allegations of vote-rigging and claims that votes in the names of dead people were cast. A police investigation led to a series of convictions the following year.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ot-6479987


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JM2K6 wrote:
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When even the normal posters are frothing at the mouth, you know politics has become hopelessly polarised.


Who are you categorising as normal exactly...?

Well you know, pigdogs I've conversed with in a normal fashion on other subjects so it's a bit startling to see them coming out with "so and so is basically a terrorist".


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Corbyn, McDonnell, and livingstone are terrorist sympathisers.

:lol:
Thread has turned into an adjunct of Faux news.



They all share views of the Provos that would make you blush UF. Add in Hamas and hezbollah and you have some loverly friends.


Mandela was a terrorist. A much less malignant one than those named, perhaps, but a terrorist nonetheless.


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Uncle Fester wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
When even the normal posters are frothing at the mouth, you know politics has become hopelessly polarised.


Who are you categorising as normal exactly...?

Well you know, pigdogs I've conversed with in a normal fashion on other subjects so it's a bit startling to see them coming out with "so and so is basically a terrorist".


Ah. I'm seeing nothing in this thread that's out of the ordinary.


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Labour set for dismal Oldham West by-election result thanks ...

was updated to

Oldham West by-election: Labour defies fears of slashed majority in first test under Jeremy Corbyn

Silver, did you get a chance to see his brother Piers on This Week last night? I know you're a long term admirer and fan of his work.


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JM2K6 wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
When even the normal posters are frothing at the mouth, you know politics has become hopelessly polarised.


Who are you categorising as normal exactly...?

Well you know, pigdogs I've conversed with in a normal fashion on other subjects so it's a bit startling to see them coming out with "so and so is basically a terrorist".


Ah. I'm seeing nothing in this thread that's out of the ordinary.

I don't venture into pigdog politics threads much but the whole Corbyn thing amuses me.


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Nigel blames us ethnics for UKIP humiliation

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Whenever things are going badly for Ukip, Nigel Farage's cheeky chappy persona slips, and a rather more snarling and unpleasant character is revealed.

Today was one such occasion, after the party's heavy defeat in the Oldham West and Royton by-election last night.

Before last night, Farage predicted that Ukip would come "within a few hundred votes" of Labour in the seat and could even win it. In the end they fell short of victory by over 10,000 votes with Labour significantly increasing their share of the vote from last May.

However, rather than seek to understand why the people of Oldham had so roundly rejected his party, Farage instead decided to suggest the result had been "bent" by ethnic minorities living in the area.
In multiple interviews, he insisted that mass immigration and the increase of ethnic minorities meant democracy had "died" in parts of Britain.
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2015/12 ... igel-farag


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Uncle Fester wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
JM2K6 wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
When even the normal posters are frothing at the mouth, you know politics has become hopelessly polarised.


Who are you categorising as normal exactly...?

Well you know, pigdogs I've conversed with in a normal fashion on other subjects so it's a bit startling to see them coming out with "so and so is basically a terrorist".


Ah. I'm seeing nothing in this thread that's out of the ordinary.

I don't venture into pigdog politics threads much but the whole Corbyn thing amuses me.

I feel you are racially abusing me by continually calling me a pigdog. You right wing bully boy


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He repeatedly cited a report he claimed to have read in the Guardian last Saturday.

"The northern correspondent of the Guardian wrote last Saturday that she knocked on the doors of a street in Oldham where nobody spoke English, nobody had ever heard of Jeremy Corbyn, but they were all voting Labour," he told the BBC.

"So there is a very large ethnic vote in this country in our inner cities. They vote Labour indeed and in one of the boxes last night it was 99% Labour and almost the electoral process is now dead in those areas."

He went on:

"What I'm saying is that mass immigration, the change to our demographics in Britain… is fundamentally changing politics. The system is widely open to fraud and there is an ethnic element to British elections which we've never seen before."

He also made the same claim on the Today programme this morning.

"There was an interesting report in the Guardian last Saturday where their Northern correspondent knocked on doors on a street and no-one spoke English. They didn't even know who Jeremy Corbyn was but they were going to vote Labour. So there are some really quite big ethnic changes now in the way people are voting."

Now before I get into the substance of Farage's argument, it's worth actually taking a look at the article he referred to in all his interviews this morning.

The Guardian's Northern editor is a journalist called Helen Pidd. You can read the article she wrote about the Oldham by-election last Saturday in full here.

As you can see, there is absolutely no mention of a street where "nobody spoke English, nobody had ever heard go Jeremy Corbyn, but they were all voting Labour."

There is one woman quoted who had not heard of Corbyn and another man quoted who had heard of him, didn't like him, but was still voting Labour because of the local candidate.

There is one tweet sent separately by Pidd in which she referes to non-English speaking Labour voters. However, there was absolutely no mention of an entire street of ethnic minority voters not being able to speak English either in her Guardian report or elsewere. Nor was this mentioned in any of the other reports Pidd filed from the seat.

Farage's story of an Oldham street filled entirely with non-English speaking Labour voters is made up. There is no such street. There are no such reports of such streets.


Standard Farage fare. If in doubt, or even just conscious, lie.


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Frodder wrote:
HurricaneWasp wrote:
Frodder wrote:
HKCJ wrote:
Why does it not surprise me that Silver is a Corbyn loon/fan



What makes Corbyn a 'loon'?


His communist, terrorist supporting, open borders, anti-army, Pro-Palestine views make him an absolute plum. I don't understand why anyone would agree with anything he says.

Lets not forget that socialism is taking from those who've earned money, and giving it to those who haven't. Its is fundamentally flawed, and defies all common sense.


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Whilst I obviously want a UKIP win, its looking unlikely


Oh dear.....


You can laugh today, but in the long run, Labour are doomed with Corbyn. How can't you see it?


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HurricaneWasp wrote:
Frodder wrote:
HKCJ wrote:
Why does it not surprise me that Silver is a Corbyn loon/fan



What makes Corbyn a 'loon'?


His communist no hes not, terrorist supporting no, open borders, anti-army no , Pro-Palestine views make him an absolute plum. I don't understand why anyone would agree with anything he says.

Lets not forget that socialism is taking from those who've earned money, and giving it to those who haven't. Its is fundamentally flawed, and defies all common sense.



Why are you anti-Palestine? Do you agree they are being treated disgracefully by Israel. (And the West say almost nothing about this).


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From that blog

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He repeatedly cited a report he claimed to have read in the Guardian last Saturday.

"The northern correspondent of the Guardian wrote last Saturday that she knocked on the doors of a street in Oldham where nobody spoke English, nobody had ever heard of Jeremy Corbyn, but they were all voting Labour," he told the BBC.

"So there is a very large ethnic vote in this country in our inner cities. They vote Labour indeed and in one of the boxes last night it was 99% Labour and almost the electoral process is now dead in those areas."

He went on:

"What I'm saying is that mass immigration, the change to our demographics in Britain… is fundamentally changing politics. The system is widely open to fraud and there is an ethnic element to British elections which we've never seen before."

He also made the same claim on the Today programme this morning.

"There was an interesting report in the Guardian last Saturday where their Northern correspondent knocked on doors on a street and no-one spoke English. They didn't even know who Jeremy Corbyn was but they were going to vote Labour. So there are some really quite big ethnic changes now in the way people are voting."

Now before I get into the substance of Farage's argument, it's worth actually taking a look at the article he referred to in all his interviews this morning.

The Guardian's Northern editor is a journalist called Helen Pidd. You can read the article she wrote about the Oldham by-election last Saturday in full here.

As you can see, there is absolutely no mention of a street where "nobody spoke English, nobody had ever heard go Jeremy Corbyn, but they were all voting Labour."

There is one woman quoted who had not heard of Corbyn and another man quoted who had heard of him, didn't like him, but was still voting Labour because of the local candidate.

There is one tweet sent separately by Pidd in which she referes to non-English speaking Labour voters. However, there was absolutely no mention of an entire street of ethnic minority voters not being able to speak English either in her Guardian report or elsewere. Nor was this mentioned in any of the other reports Pidd filed from the seat.

Farage's story of an Oldham street filled entirely with non-English speaking Labour voters is made up. There is no such street. There are no such reports of such streets.


Standard Farage fare. If in doubt, or even just conscious, lie.


And I see the link to Pidd's article is not the original one. However, it is clear from her article that local issues were the motivating factor.


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Silver wrote:
HurricaneWasp wrote:
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Why does it not surprise me that Silver is a Corbyn loon/fan



What makes Corbyn a 'loon'?


His communist no hes not, terrorist supporting no, open borders, anti-army no , Pro-Palestine views make him an absolute plum. I don't understand why anyone would agree with anything he says.

Lets not forget that socialism is taking from those who've earned money, and giving it to those who haven't. Its is fundamentally flawed, and defies all common sense.



Why are you anti-Palestine? Do you agree they are being treated disgracefully by Israel. (And the West say almost nothing about this).


Because he uses his brain


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Any other leader of any party in history would be lauded for improving a majority even in a safe seat and this would be seen as a great endorsement of his influence on the electorate.

Imagine for a moment if the swing had gone the other way, Tories everywhere would say this was an indictment of the party leader.


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Any other leader of any party in history would be lauded for improving a majority even in a safe seat and this would be seen as a great endorsement of his influence on the electorate.

Imagine for a moment if the swing had gone the other way, Tories everywhere would say this was an indictment of the party leader.


Only Tories? Yeah, sure :lol:

From http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... byelection

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Corbyn is not desperately popular in Oldham, described variously as “dangerous”, “a lunatic throwback” and an “arrogant idiot” by Labour voters past and present during the four visits the Guardian made to the constituency in recent weeks.

There were few tears shed inside the Humdinger, a dodgy old pub which has become McMahon’s campaign headquarters, when Corbyn cancelled a planned visit on Friday, staying instead in Westminster to attempt to broker peace in the war raging within his party over Syria.

A day earlier the Guardian had asked McMahon’s campaign manager, Andrew Gwynne, the perennially cheerful MP for nearby Denton, whether Corbyn was an asset or a liability during the byelection. He paused just long enough to contrive a way to dodge the question. “He’s the leader, isn’t he? We are running this campaign based on local issues.”


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If Corbyn is a loon, by that measure the rest of them should be locked away in padded rooms and in straightjackets.

World leaders look at Cameron and see a total plumming eejit, as do many of the people in this country.


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Mick Mannock wrote:
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Any other leader of any party in history would be lauded for improving a majority even in a safe seat and this would be seen as a great endorsement of his influence on the electorate.

Imagine for a moment if the swing had gone the other way, Tories everywhere would say this was an indictment of the party leader.


Only Tories? Yeah, sure :lol:


By Tories I meant to add this also means Tories infiltrated Labour and Liberal Democrats.


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At any rate voting demographics of rugby fans has to be pretty close to polo and golf so force fed from birth true blue Conservatives.

You'd have as much luck walking into the local Conservative club and convincing the members there that Cameron was a plonker as most on this forum.


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