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Brazil wrote:Decent article on Wreathgate:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... reath-mess

Or as a commentator on sky news just put it "when you sign up to a crude anti-imperialism as he has done, it's inevitable that these sorts of things will catch up with you".

They opened it up for comments.

The man is pure marmite.

Sefton wrote:

bessantj wrote:Sadly it's all over for Corbyn, damning evidence of him attending a ceremony with a war criminal.

Spoiler: show

Nah - he can't be a war criminal. If he were, Corbyn would like him more.

zzzz wrote:

Sefton wrote:

bessantj wrote:Sadly it's all over for Corbyn, damning evidence of him attending a ceremony with a war criminal.

Spoiler: show

Nah - he can't be a war criminal. If he were, Corbyn would like him more.

Was there a wreath involved?

Frodder wrote:

zzzz wrote:

Sefton wrote:

bessantj wrote:Sadly it's all over for Corbyn, damning evidence of him attending a ceremony with a war criminal.

Spoiler: show

Nah - he can't be a war criminal. If he were, Corbyn would like him more.

Was there a wreath involved?

A wreath was laid but its not clear how involved he was.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHMIHBULGvk

zzzz wrote:

Frodder wrote:

zzzz wrote:

Sefton wrote:

bessantj wrote:Sadly it's all over for Corbyn, damning evidence of him attending a ceremony with a war criminal.

Spoiler: show

Nah - he can't be a war criminal. If he were, Corbyn would like him more.

Was there a wreath involved?

A wreath was laid but its not clear how involved he was.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHMIHBULGvk

That'll do for me. I'm off to Twitter

Corbyn wouldn't be a good prime minister, can't be trusted on foreign policy and should resign for lying.

Sadly, in UK politics these days lying isn't a reason to be resign and the study on CEO to worker pay increases and yesterday's rail fare debacle is exactly why he'll stay.

Do people care about a wreath when their pay is stagnant and costs going up? Probably not. Don't think anyone is going to change their mind on him over this - however much others want them to.

Do people care about a wreath when their pay is stagnant and costs going up? Probably not. Don't think anyone is going to change their mind on him over this - however much others want them to.

I'd certainly welcome the terrorists for 0.1% of spending power.

Frodder wrote:

That'll do for me. I'm off to Twitter

My fav so far - https://twitter.com/robjoyce156?lang=en

I like haggis wrote:Corbyn wouldn't be a good prime minister, can't be trusted on foreign policy and should resign for lying.

Sadly, in UK politics these days lying isn't a reason to be resign and the study on CEO to worker pay increases and yesterday's rail fare debacle is exactly why he'll stay.

Do people care about a wreath when their pay is stagnant and costs going up? Probably not. Don't think anyone is going to change their mind on him over this - however much others want them to.

I think that is the issue. With sky high housing, companies taking the piss with bills, crime rising, schools cutting costs etc Labour stay in the game because the Tories seem far to clueless on to many issues. But inevatably Labour can't identify how to spend money effectively, even when it's much needed and lose support when they ultimately can't equalise society without crashing the economy.

Jordan Peterson had a good observation about this, he said the issues in politics are the left think everyone can achieve the same outcome and ignore the reality that some people are lazy arse holes regardless of their environment and the right believe everyone will achieve, they just need to work harder and ignore the reality that there can be huge barriers to achievement, both innate and societal. No one, in an ever more complicated and high skilled workforce economy, has worked out what to do with for example the 10% of people with an IQ under 83 who can neither be trained to high skill levels nor be competent workers even with all barriers removed.

eldanielfire wrote:

I like haggis wrote:Corbyn wouldn't be a good prime minister, can't be trusted on foreign policy and should resign for lying.

Sadly, in UK politics these days lying isn't a reason to be resign and the study on CEO to worker pay increases and yesterday's rail fare debacle is exactly why he'll stay.

Do people care about a wreath when their pay is stagnant and costs going up? Probably not. Don't think anyone is going to change their mind on him over this - however much others want them to.

I think that is the issue. With sky high housing, companies taking the piss with bills, crime rising, schools cutting costs etc Labour stay in the game because the Tories seem far to clueless on to many issues. But inevatably Labour can't identify how to spend money effectively, even when it's much needed and lose support when they ultimately can't equalise society without crashing the economy.

Jordan Peterson had a good observation about this, he said the issues in politics are the left think everyone can achieve the same outcome and ignore the reality that some people are lazy arse holes regardless of their environment and the right believe everyone will achieve, they just need to work harder and ignore the reality that there can be huge barriers to achievement, both innate and societal. No one, in an ever more complicated and high skilled workforce economy, has worked out what to do with for example the 10% of people with an IQ under 83 who can neither be trained to high skill levels nor be competent workers even with all barriers removed.

Doesn't really tally with the fact that employer's claim that they need immigration to fill the low skilled jobs in the economy.........

ovalball wrote:
Doesn't really tally with the fact that employer's claim that they need immigration to fill the low skilled jobs in the economy.........

That is generally a subtext of "not for what we want to pay them"

ovalball wrote:

eldanielfire wrote:

I like haggis wrote:Corbyn wouldn't be a good prime minister, can't be trusted on foreign policy and should resign for lying.

Sadly, in UK politics these days lying isn't a reason to be resign and the study on CEO to worker pay increases and yesterday's rail fare debacle is exactly why he'll stay.

Do people care about a wreath when their pay is stagnant and costs going up? Probably not. Don't think anyone is going to change their mind on him over this - however much others want them to.

I think that is the issue. With sky high housing, companies taking the piss with bills, crime rising, schools cutting costs etc Labour stay in the game because the Tories seem far to clueless on to many issues. But inevatably Labour can't identify how to spend money effectively, even when it's much needed and lose support when they ultimately can't equalise society without crashing the economy.

Jordan Peterson had a good observation about this, he said the issues in politics are the left think everyone can achieve the same outcome and ignore the reality that some people are lazy arse holes regardless of their environment and the right believe everyone will achieve, they just need to work harder and ignore the reality that there can be huge barriers to achievement, both innate and societal. No one, in an ever more complicated and high skilled workforce economy, has worked out what to do with for example the 10% of people with an IQ under 83 who can neither be trained to high skill levels nor be competent workers even with all barriers removed.

Doesn't really tally with the fact that employer's claim that they need immigration to fill the low skilled jobs in the economy.........

The ageing population is driving a lot of EdF's grips, our population is increasing but the productive workforce is not increasing by the same percentages, we need people in the unskilled less attractive jobs like fruit picking etc and without immigration i cant see how these jobs are going to be filled with unemployment at circa 4% which is effectively full employment.

Lorthern Nights wrote:

ovalball wrote:

eldanielfire wrote:

I like haggis wrote:Corbyn wouldn't be a good prime minister, can't be trusted on foreign policy and should resign for lying.

Sadly, in UK politics these days lying isn't a reason to be resign and the study on CEO to worker pay increases and yesterday's rail fare debacle is exactly why he'll stay.

Do people care about a wreath when their pay is stagnant and costs going up? Probably not. Don't think anyone is going to change their mind on him over this - however much others want them to.

I think that is the issue. With sky high housing, companies taking the piss with bills, crime rising, schools cutting costs etc Labour stay in the game because the Tories seem far to clueless on to many issues. But inevatably Labour can't identify how to spend money effectively, even when it's much needed and lose support when they ultimately can't equalise society without crashing the economy.

Jordan Peterson had a good observation about this, he said the issues in politics are the left think everyone can achieve the same outcome and ignore the reality that some people are lazy arse holes regardless of their environment and the right believe everyone will achieve, they just need to work harder and ignore the reality that there can be huge barriers to achievement, both innate and societal. No one, in an ever more complicated and high skilled workforce economy, has worked out what to do with for example the 10% of people with an IQ under 83 who can neither be trained to high skill levels nor be competent workers even with all barriers removed.

Doesn't really tally with the fact that employer's claim that they need immigration to fill the low skilled jobs in the economy.........

The ageing population is driving a lot of EdF's grips, our population is increasing but the productive workforce is not increasing by the same percentages, we need people in the unskilled less attractive jobs like fruit picking etc and without immigration i cant see how these jobs are going to be filled with unemployment at circa 4% which is effectively full employment.

Yeah but we should kick out all immigrants coming over here taking our jobs. Then take people off the dole queue and employ them as fruit pickers. I read that in the Daily mail online comments so what's not to like

The pic that just keeps on giving

Jeremy Corby - who was then an MP - stood alongside Maher al-Taher, the exiled leader of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), at a ceremony in 2014 (main). A month later, Taher's group claimed responsibility for a terror attack in which four rabbis were slaughtered during their morning prayers, The Times reported.

Boobs not Moobs wrote:The pic that just keeps on giving

Jeremy Corby - who was then an MP - stood alongside Maher al-Taher, the exiled leader of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), at a ceremony in 2014 (main). A month later, Taher's group claimed responsibility for a terror attack in which four rabbis were slaughtered during their morning prayers, The Times reported.

Barack Fecking Obama would have a kill-list that manshamed any of the Terry Towelheads you pom fúck-knuckles think makes Corbyn sooooooo unacceptable because he appears in the same photo. DItto Hilarious Cluntox.

Any current pom pollies appear in photos with either?

No wonder the UK is gigglesville in world news right now. You are your own worst enemies.

Boobs not Moobs wrote:The pic that just keeps on giving

Jeremy Corby - who was then an MP - stood alongside Maher al-Taher, the exiled leader of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), at a ceremony in 2014 (main). A month later, Taher's group claimed responsibility for a terror attack in which four rabbis were slaughtered during their morning prayers, The Times reported.

Red Len has wadded into the furour by saying Labour should go for the full implementation of the IHRA definition of antisemitism, plus it’s examples.

And then he blamed the Jews for fueling all this antisemitsm. You couldn't make it up.

At least they didn't put Real in front of the old one, Kudo's for a sliver of imagination.

Well this is not going to go away

The Labour party has formally complained to the press regulator Ipso about the coverage by several British newspapers of Jeremy Corbyn’s decision to lay a wreath at a cemetery in Tunisia.

In its complaint, the party said the Sun, the Times, the Telegraph, the Daily Mail, the Express and Metro had misrepresented the event, which the Labour leader attended in 2014.

Len McCluskey has accused Jewish leaders of showing “truculent hostility” towards Labour, as he called for the party to draw a line under the antisemitism row by adopting the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance guidelines in full.

I get the impression that Corbyn as an international man of peace isn't not for turning on the IHRA definition.

https://labour.org.uk/about/work-with-u ... -disputes/

Labour looking to hire for Head of Disputes. Now that's a full time job.

eldanielfire wrote:https://labour.org.uk/about/work-with-u ... -disputes/

Labour looking to hire for Head of Disputes. Now that's a full time job.

50k isn't enough for any grief a Head of Disputes would get in any workplace let alone the Labour party

a "Head of Disputes"? is this some fancy HR title?

Plato'sCave wrote:https://southendnewsnetwork.net/news/ne ... -in-1991a/

Says it all really.

I was not joking in my earlier post, BTW. I truly doubt UK citizens as a whole realise just how Special Needs the whole Corbyn brouhaha looks.

Pretty much sums it all up:

I'm sorry, but @UKLabour with @jeremycorbyn as leader is off the charts bonkers.
Remember when we had people who could be trusted on a global stage?
Now we have people who report the Press, for reporting a story they've written about themselves!

MungoMan wrote:

Boobs not Moobs wrote:The pic that just keeps on giving

Jeremy Corby - who was then an MP - stood alongside Maher al-Taher, the exiled leader of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), at a ceremony in 2014 (main). A month later, Taher's group claimed responsibility for a terror attack in which four rabbis were slaughtered during their morning prayers, The Times reported.

Barack Fecking Obama would have a kill-list that manshamed any of the Terry Towelheads you pom fúck-knuckles think makes Corbyn sooooooo unacceptable because he appears in the same photo. DItto Hilarious Cluntox.

Any current pom pollies appear in photos with either?

No wonder the UK is gigglesville in world news right now. You are your own worst enemies.

MungoMan wrote:

Plato'sCave wrote:https://southendnewsnetwork.net/news/ne ... -in-1991a/

Says it all really.

I was not joking in my earlier post, BTW. I truly doubt UK citizens as a whole realise just how Special Needs the whole Corbyn brouhaha looks.

You don't think the leader of the opposition laying a wreath in memory of terrorist group leaders would be controversial in other countries ?

How's the party polling looking?

unseenwork wrote:How's the party polling looking?

The polls ahve been the same for ages. Both Tories and Labour lingering between 37% to 42%. Always 1-3% difference between then and swings constantly. However Corbyn's personal ratings have always been way lower. It's just the Tories offer f*ck all to the electorate and May is a horrible manager of PR.

eldanielfire wrote:

unseenwork wrote:How's the party polling looking?

The polls ahve been the same for ages. Both Tories and Labour lingering between 37% to 42%. Always 1-3% difference between then and swings constantly. However Corbyn's personal ratings have always been way lower. It's just the Tories offer f*ck all to the electorate and May is a horrible manager of PR.

Sophie's choice.
Both genuinely dreadful party leaders.

Floppykid wrote:

eldanielfire wrote:

unseenwork wrote:How's the party polling looking?

The polls ahve been the same for ages. Both Tories and Labour lingering between 37% to 42%. Always 1-3% difference between then and swings constantly. However Corbyn's personal ratings have always been way lower. It's just the Tories offer f*ck all to the electorate and May is a horrible manager of PR.

Sophie's choice.
Both genuinely dreadful party leaders.

The irony was for most of my adult life political commentator have been birtching about a lack of voter enthusiasm because the parties were to similar ensuring they cover the center and politics was better when there was more distinct difference between them. Well new we do have a distinct difference and everyone isn't happy about choice, merely utterly depressed we don't have both parties covering the center anymore

juddy wrote:

MungoMan wrote:

Plato'sCave wrote:https://southendnewsnetwork.net/news/ne ... -in-1991a/

Says it all really.

I was not joking in my earlier post, BTW. I truly doubt UK citizens as a whole realise just how Special Needs the whole Corbyn brouhaha looks.

You don't think the leader of the opposition laying a wreath in memory of terrorist group leaders would be controversial in other countries ?

Ignore Mungoman.

Round 8

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... -military/

Jeremy Corbyn attended a conference with a convicted Hamas military leader who was jailed in Israel for his role in orchestrating a string of terrorist attacks that killed more than 100 people, The Daily Telegraph can reveal.

The Labour leader hosted a panel discussion at a conference attended by a number of senior Hamas officials, including Husam Badran, who was given a 17-year sentence for his involvement in terrorist atrocities committed during the Second Intifada between 2001 and 2002.

He was joined at the conference by Khalid Mishaal, the former political leader of Hamas, who is on a UK sanction list, and Dr Abdul Aziz Umar, who received seven life sentences for aiding in the preparation of a suicide belt.

Badran and Umar were released by the Israeli government less than 12 months before the conference as part of a prisoner exchange for Gilad Shalit, an Israeli soldier who had been taken hostage by Hamas.

In a translation provided to The Daily Telegraph, Badran can be heard telling the conference: “The nakba [day of catastrophes] which made us refugees took place via force and the return will be only viable through military and armed resistance and nothing else.”

Three days after the conference, Mr Corbyn acknowledged in his regular column in the Morning Star that he had listened to speeches given by men who had been released “in return for the Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit”, adding that “their contribution was fascinating and electrifying”.

He also confirmed in an interview with Press TV, the Iranian news channel, that he had met Umar at the conference, adding: “I met many of the brothers, including the brother who’s been speaking here...when I was in Doha earlier this year”.

https://twitter.com/ElectoralCommUK/sta ... 13472?s=19

Labour's income 55.8 million last year, wonder how large the donations from wealthy benefactors were?

I like haggis wrote:https://twitter.com/ElectoralCommUK/sta ... 13472?s=19

Labour's income 55.8 million last year, wonder how large the donations from wealthy benefactors were?

The Elders of Zio... oh, hang on.

In other news, I note Plaid Cymru is living well within its means.

Poor old duffer cannot even answer a question when it is asked six times

Mick Mannock wrote:Poor old duffer cannot even answer a question when it is asked six times

Pah, only half of what Michael Howard can do.

In footage from the 2013 conference, Mr Corbyn says: '[British Zionists] clearly have two problems: one is they don't want to study history and, secondly, having lived in this country for a very long time, probably all their lives, they don't understand English irony either.'

Being supported in your position by Nick Griffin

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell was deployed in a bid to defuse the growing row, saying Mr Corbyn had been taken 'out of context'.

He suggested the veteran left-winger's remarks were part of his efforts to 'secure peace'.

bessantj wrote:

What is Prince Harry trying to say there?

Turbogoat wrote:

bessantj wrote:

What is Prince Harry trying to say there?

Trying to bum a jam sandwich would be my bet