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Turbogoat wrote:

bessantj wrote:

What is Prince Harry trying to say there?

Seneca of the Night wrote:I haven't been paying as much attention to this pretty extraordinary spat as I should have done, but I did notice some pretty weird stuff once I started looking into it last week.

Corbyn is accused obviously of anti-semitism, and is backed by this shadowy entriest organisation Momentum. So I started wondering who Momemtum were. Founded by the following:

- Jon Lansman, Highgate School, Clare College, Cambridge, Jewish
- James Schneider, Dragon School, Winchester, Trinity College, Oxford, Jewish
- Jackie Walker - one of the more intersting characters on the political scene for sure - an African Jew who got herself briefly suspended from the Labour party by going into the darkest secret of them all, the Jewish role in the trans-atlantic slave trade. This shit is buried so far down the memory hole because it threatens to blow up the Democrat party in the US completely if people put two and two together.
- there are some other that look of curious provenance in Momentum too.

Nick Cohen described Jon Lansman's career in the Spectator as 'pathetic'. Some pathetic!

That the second great party of British Politics seems to have been reduced completely to a north London spat between a population group comprising less than 1% of the British population seems to have been obscured by coverage of this issue. It's certainly not possible to think that any Labour government could ever have an independent foreign policy with respect to Israel. They won't know if they're Arthur or Martha.

I can't see how anyone benefits from the Luciana Berger school of thought - that anti-Zionism equates to anti-semitism. Certainly even the chief Rabbi is at pains to point it out.

I remember about ten years ago on here there were vicious arguments about Israel that I watched without posting that would surely have most of the participants carted off for anti-semitism under the new proposed 'rules'.

I'm pro-Israel, so it doesn't bother me, but there must be a few posters concerned about now being anti-semites.

bessantj wrote:

Turbogoat wrote:

bessantj wrote:

What is Prince Harry trying to say there?

I think it was a set up by the Sun, trying to show Corbyn won't answer questions.

Seneca of the Night wrote:I haven't been paying as much attention to this pretty extraordinary spat as I should have done, but I did notice some pretty weird stuff once I started looking into it last week.

Corbyn is accused obviously of anti-semitism, and is backed by this shadowy entriest organisation Momentum. So I started wondering who Momemtum were. Founded by the following:

- Jon Lansman, Highgate School, Clare College, Cambridge, Jewish
- James Schneider, Dragon School, Winchester, Trinity College, Oxford, Jewish
- Jackie Walker - one of the more intersting characters on the political scene for sure - an African Jew who got herself briefly suspended from the Labour party by going into the darkest secret of them all, the Jewish role in the trans-atlantic slave trade. This shit is buried so far down the memory hole because it threatens to blow up the Democrat party in the US completely if people put two and two together.
- there are some other that look of curious provenance in Momentum too.

Nick Cohen described Jon Lansman's career in the Spectator as 'pathetic'. Some pathetic!

That the second great party of British Politics seems to have been reduced completely to a north London spat between a population group comprising less than 1% of the British population seems to have been obscured by coverage of this issue. It's certainly not possible to think that any Labour government could ever have an independent foreign policy with respect to Israel. They won't know if they're Arthur or Martha.

I can't see how anyone benefits from the Luciana Berger school of thought - that anti-Zionism equates to anti-semitism. Certainly even the chief Rabbi is at pains to point it out.

I remember about ten years ago on here there were vicious arguments about Israel that I watched without posting that would surely have most of the participants carted off for anti-semitism under the new proposed 'rules'.

I'm pro-Israel, so it doesn't bother me, but there must be a few posters concerned about now being anti-semites.

I don't think Corbyn is an anti Semite but I think his problem is that is so anti West in foreign policy that he sees Israel as the worst excesses of it. He will therefore share and provide platforms with people who say things like 911 was a Zionist conspiracy or that the Jews should be sent to the sea. He doesn't much give a shit about Palestinians persecuted by Arab nations so it's an odd dynamic

bimboman wrote:

I don't think Corbyn is an anti Semite but I think his problem is that is so anti West in foreign policy that he sees Israel as the worst excesses of it. He will therefore share and provide platforms with people who say things like 911 was a Zionist conspiracy or that the Jews should be sent to the sea. He doesn't much give a shit about Palestinians persecuted by Arab nations so it's an odd dynamic

It's almost as if the Jewish persecutors are differant.

Boobs not Moobs wrote:

bimboman wrote:

I don't think Corbyn is an anti Semite but I think his problem is that is so anti West in foreign policy that he sees Israel as the worst excesses of it. He will therefore share and provide platforms with people who say things like 911 was a Zionist conspiracy or that the Jews should be sent to the sea. He doesn't much give a shit about Palestinians persecuted by Arab nations so it's an odd dynamic

It's almost as if the Jewish persecutors are differant.

Special case, nothing else seems to attract quite as much attention. I think most people are quite capable of criticising Israel without being so and quite able to make the point without aligning themselves with revolting people. The platforms he shares, the people he associates with, the equivilence he drew between the persecution of Jews and seemingly all Zionists who lack irony given 'their' current behaviou/attitude with regard to Palestine. I can believe he also doesn't think he is anti-semitic. I wouldn't share a platform with those wanting to persecute Muslims just because I'd like to see for example less Wahabism in the UK. He;s very one-eyed and passionate on this issue, nothing else comes close that I'm aware of.

Seneca of the Night wrote:remember 20 years ago a former poster here referring casually over a beer to me of the 'North London Jewish media mafia'. This from a liberal journalist who had no axe to grind about anything. He just threw the phrase into a conversation.

I doubt he would do the same now. But what surprised me when I looked into momentum was that Corbyn has significant Jewish support. There are anti zionist Jews supporting Corbyn.

The media haven't exactly made this prominent. Is this the 'mafia' at work?

As I said, allowing the Labour party to be destroyed over this issue might be the real scandal, not the inept stupidity of Corbyn himself.

Aren't there any adults around to tell these fckwits to pull their heads in? There's a whole country beyond hampstead heath.

- Jackie Walker - one of the more intersting characters on the political scene for sure - an African Jew who got herself briefly suspended from the Labour party by going into the darkest secret of them all, the Jewish role in the trans-atlantic slave trade. This shit is buried so far down the memory hole because it threatens to blow up the Democrat party in the US completely if people put two and two together.

The Labour leader, though routinely presented as a humble and saintly man, is not even slightly self-deprecating. His absolute certainty about absolutely everything means that he is often visibly exasperated by questions that he considers an impertinence – as he was during the furore over his laying of a wreath in Tunis four years ago.

His default position is that the debate, whatever it may be, is over, and that he is on the right side. Doubt, reflection and irony enter a hostile environment when they enter the world of Corbynism.

Boobs not Moobs wrote:

The Labour leader, though routinely presented as a humble and saintly man, is not even slightly self-deprecating. His absolute certainty about absolutely everything means that he is often visibly exasperated by questions that he considers an impertinence – as he was during the furore over his laying of a wreath in Tunis four years ago.

His default position is that the debate, whatever it may be, is over, and that he is on the right side. Doubt, reflection and irony enter a hostile environment when they enter the world of Corbynism.

d'Ancona

Jeremy Corbyn claimed that Israeli officials control the speeches made by British MPs, in bizarre comments that have been called an 'anti-Semitic conspiracy theory' which ‘casts Jews as sinister manipulators’, MailOnline can reveal.

The remarks were captured on video in 2010, at a meeting of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign (PSC) in London. In a speech about the shooting of Turkish activists at sea by the Israeli commandos, the Labour leader said:

‘[British MPs] all turned up [to the debating chamber] with a pre-prepared script. I’m sure our friend Ron Prosor (the Israeli ambassador) wrote it.

‘Because they all came up with the same key words. It was rather like reading a European document looking for buzz-words.

‘And the buzz-words were, “Israel’s need for security”. And then “the extremism of the people on one ship”. And “the existence of Turkish militants on the vessel”.

‘It came through in every single speech, this stuff came through.’

MailOnline has examined the transcript of the debate in question and could find no evidence that any of Mr Corbyn’s ‘buzz words’ were mentioned by MPs.

In addition, a number of parliamentarians who spoke during the session have confirmed to MailOnline that they received no such ‘pre-prepared script’ or ‘buzz-words’ from Israeli sources.

Seneca of the Night wrote:I haven't been paying as much attention to this pretty extraordinary spat as I should have done, but I did notice some pretty weird stuff once I started looking into it last week.

Corbyn is accused obviously of anti-semitism, and is backed by this shadowy entriest organisation Momentum. So I started wondering who Momemtum were. Founded by the following:

- Jon Lansman, Highgate School, Clare College, Cambridge, Jewish
- James Schneider, Dragon School, Winchester, Trinity College, Oxford, Jewish
- Jackie Walker - one of the more intersting characters on the political scene for sure - an African Jew who got herself briefly suspended from the Labour party by going into the darkest secret of them all, the Jewish role in the trans-atlantic slave trade. This shit is buried so far down the memory hole because it threatens to blow up the Democrat party in the US completely if people put two and two together.
- there are some other that look of curious provenance in Momentum too.

Nick Cohen described Jon Lansman's career in the Spectator as 'pathetic'. Some pathetic!

That the second great party of British Politics seems to have been reduced completely to a north London spat between a population group comprising less than 1% of the British population seems to have been obscured by coverage of this issue. It's certainly not possible to think that any Labour government could ever have an independent foreign policy with respect to Israel. They won't know if they're Arthur or Martha.

I can't see how anyone benefits from the Luciana Berger school of thought - that anti-Zionism equates to anti-semitism. Certainly even the chief Rabbi is at pains to point it out.

I remember about ten years ago on here there were vicious arguments about Israel that I watched without posting that would surely have most of the participants carted off for anti-semitism under the new proposed 'rules'.

I'm pro-Israel, so it doesn't bother me, but there must be a few posters concerned about now being anti-semites.

booze wrote:

Seneca of the Night wrote:I haven't been paying as much attention to this pretty extraordinary spat as I should have done, but I did notice some pretty weird stuff once I started looking into it last week.

Corbyn is accused obviously of anti-semitism, and is backed by this shadowy entriest organisation Momentum. So I started wondering who Momemtum were. Founded by the following:

- Jon Lansman, Highgate School, Clare College, Cambridge, Jewish
- James Schneider, Dragon School, Winchester, Trinity College, Oxford, Jewish
- Jackie Walker - one of the more intersting characters on the political scene for sure - an African Jew who got herself briefly suspended from the Labour party by going into the darkest secret of them all, the Jewish role in the trans-atlantic slave trade. This shit is buried so far down the memory hole because it threatens to blow up the Democrat party in the US completely if people put two and two together.
- there are some other that look of curious provenance in Momentum too.

Nick Cohen described Jon Lansman's career in the Spectator as 'pathetic'. Some pathetic!

That the second great party of British Politics seems to have been reduced completely to a north London spat between a population group comprising less than 1% of the British population seems to have been obscured by coverage of this issue. It's certainly not possible to think that any Labour government could ever have an independent foreign policy with respect to Israel. They won't know if they're Arthur or Martha.

I can't see how anyone benefits from the Luciana Berger school of thought - that anti-Zionism equates to anti-semitism. Certainly even the chief Rabbi is at pains to point it out.

I remember about ten years ago on here there were vicious arguments about Israel that I watched without posting that would surely have most of the participants carted off for anti-semitism under the new proposed 'rules'.

I'm pro-Israel, so it doesn't bother me, but there must be a few posters concerned about now being anti-semites.

Can you answer me this - how does Corbyn get away with laying a wreath for a Munich terrorist, standing side by side with terror chiefs.

How is that basically swept under the carpet?

booze wrote:

Seneca of the Night wrote:I haven't been paying as much attention to this pretty extraordinary spat as I should have done, but I did notice some pretty weird stuff once I started looking into it last week.

Corbyn is accused obviously of anti-semitism, and is backed by this shadowy entriest organisation Momentum. So I started wondering who Momemtum were. Founded by the following:

- Jon Lansman, Highgate School, Clare College, Cambridge, Jewish
- James Schneider, Dragon School, Winchester, Trinity College, Oxford, Jewish
- Jackie Walker - one of the more intersting characters on the political scene for sure - an African Jew who got herself briefly suspended from the Labour party by going into the darkest secret of them all, the Jewish role in the trans-atlantic slave trade. This shit is buried so far down the memory hole because it threatens to blow up the Democrat party in the US completely if people put two and two together.
- there are some other that look of curious provenance in Momentum too.

Nick Cohen described Jon Lansman's career in the Spectator as 'pathetic'. Some pathetic!

That the second great party of British Politics seems to have been reduced completely to a north London spat between a population group comprising less than 1% of the British population seems to have been obscured by coverage of this issue. It's certainly not possible to think that any Labour government could ever have an independent foreign policy with respect to Israel. They won't know if they're Arthur or Martha.

I can't see how anyone benefits from the Luciana Berger school of thought - that anti-Zionism equates to anti-semitism. Certainly even the chief Rabbi is at pains to point it out.

I remember about ten years ago on here there were vicious arguments about Israel that I watched without posting that would surely have most of the participants carted off for anti-semitism under the new proposed 'rules'.

I'm pro-Israel, so it doesn't bother me, but there must be a few posters concerned about now being anti-semites.

Can you answer me this - how does Corbyn get away with laying a wreath for a Munich terrorist, standing side by side with terror chiefs.

How is that basically swept under the carpet?

Seneca of the Night wrote:

Boobs not Moobs wrote:Today's revelation

Jeremy Corbyn claimed that Israeli officials control the speeches made by British MPs, in bizarre comments that have been called an 'anti-Semitic conspiracy theory' which ‘casts Jews as sinister manipulators’, MailOnline can reveal.

The remarks were captured on video in 2010, at a meeting of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign (PSC) in London. In a speech about the shooting of Turkish activists at sea by the Israeli commandos, the Labour leader said:

‘[British MPs] all turned up [to the debating chamber] with a pre-prepared script. I’m sure our friend Ron Prosor (the Israeli ambassador) wrote it.

‘Because they all came up with the same key words. It was rather like reading a European document looking for buzz-words.

‘And the buzz-words were, “Israel’s need for security”. And then “the extremism of the people on one ship”. And “the existence of Turkish militants on the vessel”.

‘It came through in every single speech, this stuff came through.’

MailOnline has examined the transcript of the debate in question and could find no evidence that any of Mr Corbyn’s ‘buzz words’ were mentioned by MPs.

In addition, a number of parliamentarians who spoke during the session have confirmed to MailOnline that they received no such ‘pre-prepared script’ or ‘buzz-words’ from Israeli sources.

Provide a bloody link will ya. FFS.

Once again though, I'm going to make the point that this is a very strange scandal. Accusations that Israel's government are up to no good is not your standard traditional anti-semitism. That would be that a shadowy cabal of bankers met at Lord Rothschild's country house and drafted the speeches for the MPs, for example.

Everyone knows the Israeli govt get up to all sorts of intrigue, they are basically on a permanent war footing, and they seek to extend their influence in the courts of state around the world. Like any other government.

To extend criticism of them doing so to verbotem 'anti-semitism', which is as we know a very bad thing indeed, is not helpful at all. In fact it's a disgrace. It attempts to shut down any criticism of Israel. Which is stupid.

eldanielfire wrote:I remember how glourious the left was in the early 2000's. Where you would just destroy righties on racism, Iraq, Bush, global warming and how stupid they were. Usually because using plenty of rational debate backed up by fact just exposed the idiocy of whom your debating because they were patently wrong.

Now this is the state of the left under Corbyn:



Also this:

https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1035276639704416256

Politician in talking bollocks and being a moron shocker. I don't think Corbyn has much of a case. I'm just saying that he's not an 'anti-semite', and this whole slurring thing is not going to do anyone any good.

Sefton wrote:

Rowdy wrote:The Boundary Commission is about to abolish his seat, so maybe not so untouchable after all!

Zero chance of those changes getting through the current parliament.

c69 wrote:They plan to cut Welsh MP numbers by a quarter

Seneca of the Night wrote:

zzzz wrote:https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/h ... d-1.469525

That's interesting, as I read something by Howard Jacobson about five years ago in which I got the first impression that he was embarking on a sort of land grab in terms of the definition of anti-semitism. It was the first canary in the mine for the conflagration that is now raging. I even commented on it here: http://forum.planetrugby.com/viewtopic. ... n#p3927047

Frodder wrote:

c69 wrote:They plan to cut Welsh MP numbers by a quarter

Whilst the Nordies have 1 cut. It's outrageous

Allies of Jeremy Corbyn have drawn up “emergency leadership plans” amid fears that the Labour leader could be suspended over a series of alleged undeclared trips he took overseas, The Telegraph understands.

Senior party sources have claimed that the proposals have been devised in the event that Mr Corbyn is found to have breached Parliamentary rules following an investigation by the standards watchdog.

The plans, which are due to be put before the party’s governing body on Saturday, include a clause that would hand Labour’s national executive committee unprecedented powers to constrain the authority of Tom Watson, who would automatically become "caretaker" leader in Mr Corbyn’s absence.

openclashXX wrote:Tom Watson to take over as Labour leader would be

c69 wrote:

TranceNRG wrote:

openclashXX wrote:Tom Watson to take over as Labour leader would be

I don't think he's as dangerous as the fool Corbyn but he won't get the support of Corbynistas.

His weight loss is about the most impressive thing about him

booze wrote:Seen at th Liverpool match today. Looks like a red

openclashXX wrote:So, the Labour Party conference then

John McDonnell backing a second referendum... so long as it doesn't have an option to vote Remain on it

He and Corbyn continue to disguise their pro-Brexit stance as badly as ever

No doubt Keir Starmer or Lammy will be on the news in a day or two telling us that the Labour Party does back Remaining, and always has done

What a circus

eldanielfire wrote:

openclashXX wrote:So, the Labour Party conference then

John McDonnell backing a second referendum... so long as it doesn't have an option to vote Remain on it

He and Corbyn continue to disguise their pro-Brexit stance as badly as ever

No doubt Keir Starmer or Lammy will be on the news in a day or two telling us that the Labour Party does back Remaining, and always has done

What a circus

That made me piss myself

It's a mess, but many of John McDonnell's policies are actually quite good when you separate his politics from them.

eldanielfire wrote:

openclashXX wrote:So, the Labour Party conference then

John McDonnell backing a second referendum... so long as it doesn't have an option to vote Remain on it

He and Corbyn continue to disguise their pro-Brexit stance as badly as ever

No doubt Keir Starmer or Lammy will be on the news in a day or two telling us that the Labour Party does back Remaining, and always has done

What a circus

That made me piss myself

Anonymous. wrote:

eldanielfire wrote:

openclashXX wrote:So, the Labour Party conference then

John McDonnell backing a second referendum... so long as it doesn't have an option to vote Remain on it

He and Corbyn continue to disguise their pro-Brexit stance as badly as ever

No doubt Keir Starmer or Lammy will be on the news in a day or two telling us that the Labour Party does back Remaining, and always has done

What a circus

That made me piss myself

Why would a vote on the leave deal have an option to actually rerun the referendum. You pissed yourself because you are drunk

eldanielfire wrote:

Anonymous. wrote:

eldanielfire wrote:

openclashXX wrote:So, the Labour Party conference then

John McDonnell backing a second referendum... so long as it doesn't have an option to vote Remain on it

He and Corbyn continue to disguise their pro-Brexit stance as badly as ever

No doubt Keir Starmer or Lammy will be on the news in a day or two telling us that the Labour Party does back Remaining, and always has done

What a circus

That made me piss myself

Why would a vote on the leave deal have an option to actually rerun the referendum. You pissed yourself because you are drunk

*yawn*

You looking for more attention today?

TranceNRG wrote:

Allies of Jeremy Corbyn have drawn up “emergency leadership plans” amid fears that the Labour leader could be suspended over a series of alleged undeclared trips he took overseas, The Telegraph understands.

Senior party sources have claimed that the proposals have been devised in the event that Mr Corbyn is found to have breached Parliamentary rules following an investigation by the standards watchdog.

The plans, which are due to be put before the party’s governing body on Saturday, include a clause that would hand Labour’s national executive committee unprecedented powers to constrain the authority of Tom Watson, who would automatically become "caretaker" leader in Mr Corbyn’s absence.

Maybe he used public money to visit his terrorist mates..the plum.