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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:00 pm 
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Farage creaming himself on LBC about Trump the peacemaker on day one.

65 years of peace in the EU.

Now that's deserving of a Nobel... :thumbup:


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Glad the government won all the bills today and manage to vote down Lords' amendments. Good on the 5 Labour MPs who rebelled. :thumbup:
I believe there's another key vote tomorrow on Customs union.


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Glad the government won all the bills today and manage to vote down Lords' amendments. Good on the 5 Labour MPs who rebelled. :thumbup:
I believe there's another key vote tomorrow on Customs union.


It's either can kicking delusion or a tactical masterstroke as nobody seems to know who "won" and who has been screwed over at this stage.

Remainer rebels claimed victory, some Brexiters screamed betrayal, but at the same time there are briefings that nothing more was agreed than to have a bit more of a chat about it all.

Seems to me like the remainer rebels have climbed down with a concession of sorts, and probably lots of "back me on this or get Boris/Corbyn"


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SamShark wrote:
TranceNRG wrote:
Glad the government won all the bills today and manage to vote down Lords' amendments. Good on the 5 Labour MPs who rebelled. :thumbup:
I believe there's another key vote tomorrow on Customs union.


It's either can kicking delusion or a tactical masterstroke as nobody seems to know who "won" and who has been screwed over at this stage.

Remainer rebels claimed victory, some Brexiters screamed betrayal, but at the same time there are briefings that nothing more was agreed than to have a bit more of a chat about it all.

Seems to me like the remainer rebels have climbed down with a concession of sorts, and probably lots of "back me on this or get Boris/Corbyn"


It means there can't be a "no deal" . You should be celebrating.


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SamShark wrote:
TranceNRG wrote:
Glad the government won all the bills today and manage to vote down Lords' amendments. Good on the 5 Labour MPs who rebelled. :thumbup:
I believe there's another key vote tomorrow on Customs union.


It's either can kicking delusion or a tactical masterstroke as nobody seems to know who "won" and who has been screwed over at this stage.

Remainer rebels claimed victory, some Brexiters screamed betrayal, but at the same time there are briefings that nothing more was agreed than to have a bit more of a chat about it all.

Seems to me like the remainer rebels have climbed down with a concession of sorts, and probably lots of "back me on this or get Boris/Corbyn"

You have it right I think.

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In buckling to pressure from Tory Remainer rebels, led by Grieve and @DrPhillipLeeMP, May has more-or-less abandoned the threat the UK could leave the EU without a deal. To the chagrin of True Brexiters, No-Deal Brexit is dead

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Not so. Only committed to 5A (“a statement”) and “to look at” 5b (“seek approval” by non binding motion.) 5c (“follow any direction” [ANY!]) is not on the table. There is only agreement for discussions, not concessions. Any compromise amdt would have to be tabled by Govt in Lords


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I think government could have won even with Tory rebels voting against them but I guess they didn't want to risk it. It remains to be seen what this 'concession' means.


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David Davis seems to have said it means nothing.

And I maybe believe him - it's all just politics, smoke and mirrors at this stage.


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bimboman wrote:
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One Tory has resigned from his ministerial post to vote against the government already. Dr Phillip Lee whoever he is.



Will he though?


Wouldn't make sense for him to resign and have a go at the govt if he was planning to vote with them now would it bimbo



Abstaining is another option and important mathematically. So which is it Haggis which is it. ?


Looks like he abstained.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:18 pm 
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If anyone is yet to be confused:

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Story so far: Tory rebels didn't trust PM, put "meaningful vote" in law. Lords made it more meaningful. PM then wanted to make it meaningless, but fearing rebellion, promised to make meaningless version more meaningful again. Tory rebels now saying they trust her.

@rafaelbehr

Change will have to be in Lords. So we will end up with a Lords amendment to a govt amended-Lords amendment to a backbench amendment calling for a meaningful vote. Keep up.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:18 pm 
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If the remain MPs thought today was "pressure", just wait till there is any "final" vote.
Battle won for the Government.


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LK reporting on BBC that remainer MPs now feel that May spoke weasel words and sold them a pup.

She won't be able to do that a second time.

And good to see that amendment 25, on the NI border was passed without a vote. No change there, then.

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Commons accepts Lords amendment 25 to the #EUWithdrawalBill as amended.
This amendment prevents new border arrangements in Northern Ireland and require that ministers must, when exercising powers under the Bill, act in a way that is compatible with the Northern Ireland Act 1998. pic.twitter.com/OuEGGUDhUg
— UK House of Commons (@HouseofCommons) June 12, 2018


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I wonder what she promised Tory rebels in return for their vote.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:02 pm 
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I wonder what she promised Tory rebels in return for their vote.

She's just stored up lots of trouble for the future. The Tory party surely can't hold together much longer.

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Let me see if I’ve understood what happened today. PM bought off a Remain revolt by convincing MPs they’d get a meaningful vote on deal but avoided Brexiteer revolt by saying she would not allow one. What can possibly go wrong? (Watching from Moscow so may have misunderstood ...)

9:40 PM - Jun 12, 2018


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The Tory party surely can't hold together much longer.

Tories are in power to stay in power. Once the UK leaves the EU in some form or fashion they will all move on.


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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 96756.html

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Prime minister’s questions descended into chaos today as the SNP leader was expelled from the Commons – prompting a mass walkout from his party colleagues.

Ian Blackford was ordered out by a flustered John Bercow, after he refused to sit down in a protest over a failure to debate what he called a Brexit “power grab” from Scotland.

The row held up questions from several minutes, before the SNP MPs left the chamber en masse – some shouting and pointing at the Speaker and Tory MPs.

The SNP was furious after a strict guillotine on debate on the EU Withdrawal Bill left just 15 minutes to discuss a series of devolution controversies on Tuesday evening.


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https://inews.co.uk/news/scotland/tory- ... stminster/

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David Mundell has criticised a Conservative MP for allegedly shouting “suicide” when the SNP’s Westminster leader asked what Scottish politicians should do to ensure that the nation’s voice is heard in Brexit negotiations.

Ian Liddell-Grainger, the Tory MP for Bridgwater and West Somerset, was accused of making the remark while Ian Blackford was speaking during a debate on the EU Withdrawal Bill on Tuesday evening.

Mr Blackford said: “Mr Speaker, what options are available to us in this house to ensure that the Government understands real concern among people in Scotland at this unprecedented power grab, and how can we make sure that our voices are heard?”

As he said “what options are available”, a voice from the opposite benches of Tory MPs can be heard shouting: “suicide”.

Three SNP MPs claimed that Mr Liddell-Grainger was responsible for the comment.



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The behaviour appears to be fitting the attitude of the average Tories Brexiters posting here.


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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/pmqs-ian-blackford-expelled-snp-party-walkout-john-bercow-brexit-latest-a8396756.html

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Prime minister’s questions descended into chaos today as the SNP leader was expelled from the Commons – prompting a mass walkout from his party colleagues.

Ian Blackford was ordered out by a flustered John Bercow, after he refused to sit down in a protest over a failure to debate what he called a Brexit “power grab” from Scotland.

The row held up questions from several minutes, before the SNP MPs left the chamber en masse – some shouting and pointing at the Speaker and Tory MPs.

The SNP was furious after a strict guillotine on debate on the EU Withdrawal Bill left just 15 minutes to discuss a series of devolution controversies on Tuesday evening.



What clowns. They've peaked, grievance politics at its best.


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Yeah, screw democratic rule!


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paddyor wrote:
Yeah, screw democratic rule!



Walking out of parliament is democratic ?


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bimboman wrote:
paddyor wrote:
Yeah, screw democratic rule!



Walking out of parliament is democratic ?

In protest, yeah.


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You'll never guess which airline is opening a new base in the UK... ("despoite Brexit" of course ;) )

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paddyor wrote:
bimboman wrote:
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Yeah, screw democratic rule!



Walking out of parliament is democratic ?

In protest, yeah.



Democratic, yeah.


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You'll never guess which airline is opening a new base in the UK... ("despoite Brexit" of course ;) )

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So? Any airline that wants to operate internal flights in the UK will need to have a base there. This was explained (or least efforts to explain it to frothing loons were made) at the start of this thread.


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MrJonno wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
You'll never guess which airline is opening a new base in the UK... ("despoite Brexit" of course ;) )

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So? Any airline that wants to operate internal flights in the UK will need to have a base there. This was explained (or least efforts to explain it to frothing loons were made) at the start of this thread.



Internal flights to Italy, Spain, and Dublin ?


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bimboman wrote:
MrJonno wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
You'll never guess which airline is opening a new base in the UK... ("despoite Brexit" of course ;) )

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So? Any airline that wants to operate internal flights in the UK will need to have a base there. This was explained (or least efforts to explain it to frothing loons were made) at the start of this thread.



Internal flights to Italy, Spain, and Dublin ?

Internal flights Manchester/Birmingham/Leeds to Belfast ?


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camroc1 wrote:
bimboman wrote:
MrJonno wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
You'll never guess which airline is opening a new base in the UK... ("despoite Brexit" of course ;) )

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So? Any airline that wants to operate internal flights in the UK will need to have a base there. This was explained (or least efforts to explain it to frothing loons were made) at the start of this thread.



Internal flights to Italy, Spain, and Dublin ?

Internal flights Manchester/Birmingham/Leeds to Belfast ?


When one side of the 'debate' doesn't even understand what an internal UK flight is there is really no point in trying.


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camroc1 wrote:
bimboman wrote:
MrJonno wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
You'll never guess which airline is opening a new base in the UK... ("despoite Brexit" of course ;) )

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So? Any airline that wants to operate internal flights in the UK will need to have a base there. This was explained (or least efforts to explain it to frothing loons were made) at the start of this thread.



Internal flights to Italy, Spain, and Dublin ?

Internal flights Manchester/Birmingham/Leeds to Belfast ?



The new "base" announced is Southend airport, they're planning all international flights, including 2 a day to Dublin.


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When one side of the 'debate' doesn't even understand what an internal UK flight is there is really no point in trying.


When one side of the argument doesn't even understand what the news being debated actually was, no real point you're right.


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So Rees Moggs London fund is opening up a feeder fund in Dublin to service EU clients after Brexit. :lol:

http://citywire.co.uk/wealth-manager/ne ... l/a1103017

You couldn't make this shit up !


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bimboman wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
bimboman wrote:
MrJonno wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
You'll never guess which airline is opening a new base in the UK... ("despoite Brexit" of course ;) )

Spoiler: show
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So? Any airline that wants to operate internal flights in the UK will need to have a base there. This was explained (or least efforts to explain it to frothing loons were made) at the start of this thread.



Internal flights to Italy, Spain, and Dublin ?

Internal flights Manchester/Birmingham/Leeds to Belfast ?



The new "base" announced is Southend airport, they're planning all international flights, including 2 a day to Dublin.


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When one side of the 'debate' doesn't even understand what an internal UK flight is there is really no point in trying.


When one side of the argument doesn't even understand what the news being debated actually was, no real point you're right.

When one side of the argument deliberately dissembles, what do you expect.

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Ryanair has announced that it is opening a new London base at Southend airport, but warned it was not a “vote of confidence” in post-Brexit UK aviation.

The move will include a new twice-daily route to Dublin beginning in April next year.

David O’Brien, chief commercial officer, said: “Don’t confuse this great news as some sort of vote of confidence in the future of UK aviation, it’s a vote of confidence in Southend airport” and the airport’s owner, Stobart Group.

It was not a “reversal of opinion on the merits of Brexit”, which Ryanair has vociferously opposed, Mr O’Brien said.


https://www.irishtimes.com/business/tra ... -1.3528987


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camroc1 wrote:
So Rees Moggs London fund is opening up a feeder fund in Dublin to service EU clients after Brexit. :lol:

http://citywire.co.uk/wealth-manager/ne ... l/a1103017

You couldn't make this shit up !



How many staff ? They could commute from Southend .


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bimboman wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
So Rees Moggs London fund is opening up a feeder fund in Dublin to service EU clients after Brexit. :lol:

http://citywire.co.uk/wealth-manager/ne ... l/a1103017

You couldn't make this shit up !



How many staff ? They could commute from Southend .


The queue at the 'Other Countries' passport control would probably make it not worth their while.


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When one side of the argument deliberately dissembles, what do you expect.


No one deliberately did anything, you and Jonno made twats of yourselves as usual.


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camroc1 wrote:
bimboman wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
So Rees Moggs London fund is opening up a feeder fund in Dublin to service EU clients after Brexit. :lol:

http://citywire.co.uk/wealth-manager/ne ... l/a1103017

You couldn't make this shit up !



How many staff ? They could commute from Southend .


The queue at the 'Other Countries' passport control would probably make it not worth their while.



So the common travel areas being scrapped by you guys ?


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bimboman wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
bimboman wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
So Rees Moggs London fund is opening up a feeder fund in Dublin to service EU clients after Brexit. :lol:

http://citywire.co.uk/wealth-manager/ne ... l/a1103017

You couldn't make this shit up !



How many staff ? They could commute from Southend .


The queue at the 'Other Countries' passport control would probably make it not worth their while.



So the common travel areas being scrapped by you guys ?


You wanted your blue passports back. We have EU and non EU queues in the airports


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camroc1 wrote:
bimboman wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
So Rees Moggs London fund is opening up a feeder fund in Dublin to service EU clients after Brexit. :lol:

http://citywire.co.uk/wealth-manager/ne ... l/a1103017

You couldn't make this shit up !



How many staff ? They could commute from Southend .


The queue at the 'Other Countries' passport control would probably make it not worth their while.


Mr Ryanair can start the ‘Dublin Airlift’ while your lorries are stuck at Dover in the ‘other countries’ queue. Until the BIG BOAT fleet is ready.


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I don't need a passport of any colour though.


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SamShark wrote:
TranceNRG wrote:
Glad the government won all the bills today and manage to vote down Lords' amendments. Good on the 5 Labour MPs who rebelled. :thumbup:
I believe there's another key vote tomorrow on Customs union.


It's either can kicking delusion or a tactical masterstroke as nobody seems to know who "won" and who has been screwed over at this stage.

Remainer rebels claimed victory, some Brexiters screamed betrayal, but at the same time there are briefings that nothing more was agreed than to have a bit more of a chat about it all.

Seems to me like the remainer rebels have climbed down with a concession of sorts, and probably lots of "back me on this or get Boris/Corbyn"


Its just another step to a token/soft Brexit. The Remainers have some reassurance that May isn't really steering us towards financial armageddon. May has bought more time. The hard Brexiteers are looking more loony and isolated by the week. The Russian interference stuff is leaking out all the time. Barnier is getting some time to consider whether its really worth f*cking over Ireland to try and prove a point.


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Armchair_Superstar wrote:
SamShark wrote:
TranceNRG wrote:
Glad the government won all the bills today and manage to vote down Lords' amendments. Good on the 5 Labour MPs who rebelled. :thumbup:
I believe there's another key vote tomorrow on Customs union.


It's either can kicking delusion or a tactical masterstroke as nobody seems to know who "won" and who has been screwed over at this stage.

Remainer rebels claimed victory, some Brexiters screamed betrayal, but at the same time there are briefings that nothing more was agreed than to have a bit more of a chat about it all.

Seems to me like the remainer rebels have climbed down with a concession of sorts, and probably lots of "back me on this or get Boris/Corbyn"


Its just another step to a token/soft Brexit. The Remainers have some reassurance that May isn't really steering us towards financial armageddon. May has bought more time. The hard Brexiteers are looking more loony and isolated by the week. The Russian interference stuff is leaking out all the time. Barnier is getting some time to consider whether its really worth f*cking over Ireland to try and prove a point.


That almost sounds like ‘cool heads will prevail’- if May can shackle her hardline gobshites- can merkel?


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DragsterDriver wrote:
Armchair_Superstar wrote:
SamShark wrote:
TranceNRG wrote:
Glad the government won all the bills today and manage to vote down Lords' amendments. Good on the 5 Labour MPs who rebelled. :thumbup:
I believe there's another key vote tomorrow on Customs union.


It's either can kicking delusion or a tactical masterstroke as nobody seems to know who "won" and who has been screwed over at this stage.

Remainer rebels claimed victory, some Brexiters screamed betrayal, but at the same time there are briefings that nothing more was agreed than to have a bit more of a chat about it all.

Seems to me like the remainer rebels have climbed down with a concession of sorts, and probably lots of "back me on this or get Boris/Corbyn"


Its just another step to a token/soft Brexit. The Remainers have some reassurance that May isn't really steering us towards financial armageddon. May has bought more time. The hard Brexiteers are looking more loony and isolated by the week. The Russian interference stuff is leaking out all the time. Barnier is getting some time to consider whether its really worth f*cking over Ireland to try and prove a point.


That almost sounds like ‘cool heads will prevail’- if May can shackle her hardline gobshites- can merkel?


For all the talk in public, every important head of state will be looking at a negative impact on their own economy if they let Barnier et al follow through on their grandstanding.

I reckon it'll be soft Brexit with May declaring she has gone through with it and the Europeans presenting the whole thing as a massive embarrassment/waste of time.


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