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Whether you can or can't actually vote IRL, In, or Out
In 61%  61%  [ 235 ]
Out 39%  39%  [ 152 ]
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:27 am 
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Dave on the beeb on AM show soon.
I suspect the Gove and Boris alliance and the schism of the Tories will be high on the agenda.
Former cabinet ministers calling Dave a scaremongering liar is not not a great look for the Tories.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:33 am 
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former Tory cabinet ministers calling the current leader a liar isn't anything new

I got confused listening to Sturgeon - I couldn't work out if she was arguing for a Yes vote or a No vote


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:35 am 
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former Tory cabinet ministers calling the current leader a liar isn't anything new

I got confused listening to Sturgeon - I couldn't work out if she was arguing for a Yes vote or a No vote

They are still serving cabinet ministers. Sturgeon was clearly backing a yes vote :uhoh:


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What's the significance of 23rd of June? Why did Cameron pick that date and not a weekend date?


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former Tory cabinet ministers calling the current leader a liar isn't anything new

I got confused listening to Sturgeon - I couldn't work out if she was arguing for a Yes vote or a No vote

They are still serving cabinet ministers. Sturgeon was clearly backing a yes vote :uhoh:


Even that's not that unusual

As for Sturgeon - she was more caught up in how Scotland wanted a different EU to England. Equivocal was putting it mildly


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What's the significance of 23rd of June? Why did Cameron pick that date and not a weekend date?



thursday is the traditional day for voting


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What's the significance of 23rd of June? Why did Cameron pick that date and not a weekend date?

We vote on Thursdays in the UK. Ffs :lol:


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What do the latest polls say?


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TranceNRG wrote:
What's the significance of 23rd of June? Why did Cameron pick that date and not a weekend date?


Voting in the UK is traditionally done on a Thursday. 23rd June is pretty much the earliest date it can take place from today (there are legal statutes about notification, campaigning time etc.)


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What do the latest polls say?

Depends upon which ones you read.
Get used to polls there will be a different one every other day.


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So it seems quite a few conservative ministers who are in the camp don't actually like the EU but only In the camp because they don't want to go against PM or because leaving EU might be too much trouble. No one seems to actually like the EU much.

Good on Cameron for letting his MPs campaign for either camp.


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So it seems quite a few conservative ministers who are in the camp don't actually like the EU but only In the camp because they don't want to go against PM or because leaving EU might be too much trouble. No one seems to actually like the EU much.

Good on Cameron for letting his MPs campaign for either camp.

He had no option.


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So it seems quite a few conservative ministers who are in the camp don't actually like the EU but only In the camp because they don't want to go against PM or because leaving EU might be too much trouble. No one seems to actually like the EU much.

Good on Cameron for letting his MPs campaign for either camp.

Do you think he could have whipped them ?


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So it seems quite a few conservative ministers who are in the camp don't actually like the EU but only In the camp because they don't want to go against PM or because leaving EU might be too much trouble. No one seems to actually like the EU much.

Good on Cameron for letting his MPs campaign for either camp.

Do you think he could have whipped them ?

Only if they dressed up as pigs :lol:


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What's the significance of 23rd of June? Why did Cameron pick that date and not a weekend date?


People might get confused with Britain's Got Talent


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Cameron is going to need the young vote as all the old farts will vote to leave.

He should have put that vote on a Saturday.


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Cameron is going to need the young vote as all the old farts will vote to leave.

He should have put that vote on a Saturday.


Young people don't vote.
Fear is the best motivator - just threaten the economy and the city and they'll come round.

As an aside it wouldn't be ideal for us but it would also create an opportunity as the only anglophone country in the EU, we'd definitely pinch a few jobs.


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The out vote saying they can seal borders? Total fabrication

Unless they want to reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland. See how that goes down.


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Cameron is going to need the young vote as all the old farts will vote to leave.

He should have put that vote on a Saturday.


He'd antagonise a large % of the population who would accuse him of abandoning British tradition in order to appease the EU.


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The out vote saying they can seal borders? Total fabrication

Unless they want to reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland. See how that goes down.

What would happen if the EU insisted that their borders need to be locked down out of interest?


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The out vote saying they can seal borders? Total fabrication

Unless they want to reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland. See how that goes down.

What would happen if the EU insisted that their borders need to be locked down out of interest?


Ireland won't agree to that.


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Saint wrote:
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The out vote saying they can seal borders? Total fabrication

Unless they want to reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland. See how that goes down.

What would happen if the EU insisted that their borders need to be locked down out of interest?


As far as ludicrous hypotheticals go - when Scotland finally votes for independence and then applies to join the EU on their own.


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Someone in the EU should get involved in some top trolling and say that in the event of Brexit they would make it really easy for an independent Scotland to join the EU

(vs last time it was suggested it would be really hard, to put off the likes of Catalonia)


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Saint wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
The out vote saying they can seal borders? Total fabrication

Unless they want to reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland. See how that goes down.

What would happen if the EU insisted that their borders need to be locked down out of interest?

What interest?


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The out vote saying they can seal borders? Total fabrication

Unless they want to reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland. See how that goes down.

What would happen if the EU insisted that their borders need to be locked down out of interest?


Ireland won't agree to that.


Do you get a veto on that?


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iarmhiman wrote:
The out vote saying they can seal borders? Total fabrication

Unless they want to reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland. See how that goes down.

What would happen if the EU insisted that their borders need to be locked down out of interest?

What interest?


Well, mine, really


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Saint wrote:
Sefton wrote:
Saint wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
The out vote saying they can seal borders? Total fabrication

Unless they want to reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland. See how that goes down.

What would happen if the EU insisted that their borders need to be locked down out of interest?

What interest?


Well, mine, really

So nothing rational then.


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Saint wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
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The out vote saying they can seal borders? Total fabrication

Unless they want to reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland. See how that goes down.

What would happen if the EU insisted that their borders need to be locked down out of interest?


Ireland won't agree to that.


Do you get a veto on that?


A veto on what?


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If the Brexiters win what is the impact on all the Brit OAPs in Spain? And how many of them are there?


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Saint wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
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The out vote saying they can seal borders? Total fabrication

Unless they want to reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland. See how that goes down.

What would happen if the EU insisted that their borders need to be locked down out of interest?


Ireland won't agree to that.


Do you get a veto on that?


Ireland would say it would bring back large scare terrorism to that part of Europe. Way too risky. Does the UK want to go down that road again?


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Sefton wrote:
Saint wrote:
Sefton wrote:
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iarmhiman wrote:
The out vote saying they can seal borders? Total fabrication

Unless they want to reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland. See how that goes down.

What would happen if the EU insisted that their borders need to be locked down out of interest?

What interest?


Well, mine, really

So nothing rational then.

:lol:

I;m curious. Sooner or later the EU (probably Germany) is going to insist that EU borders are enforced far more rigorously than they are currently


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iarmhiman wrote:
Saint wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
Saint wrote:
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The out vote saying they can seal borders? Total fabrication

Unless they want to reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland. See how that goes down.

What would happen if the EU insisted that their borders need to be locked down out of interest?


Ireland won't agree to that.


Do you get a veto on that?


Ireland would say it would bring back large scare terrorism to that part of Europe. Way too risky. Does the UK want to go down that road again?

Can we make sure DD is on your side before we do so?


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If the Brexiters win what is the impact on all the Brit OAPs in Spain? And how many of them are there?


Who knows?


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If the Brexiters win what is the impact on all the Brit OAPs in Spain? And how many of them are there?


Would be a bit messy getting all your east end gangsters back from Marbella alright.


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Petros wrote:
If the Brexiters win what is the impact on all the Brit OAPs in Spain? And how many of them are there?


I don't see a big change there. Spain would go mental if the EU told them to bring in controls for Brit expats.


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Sefton wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
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iarmhiman wrote:
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What would happen if the EU insisted that their borders need to be locked down out of interest?


Ireland won't agree to that.


Do you get a veto on that?


Ireland would say it would bring back large scare terrorism to that part of Europe. Way too risky. Does the UK want to go down that road again?

Can we make sure DD is on your side before we do so?


fudge that.


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If the Brexiters win what is the impact on all the Brit OAPs in Spain? And how many of them are there?


Who knows?



Why would anything happen to them? There's nothing "eu" about their residencies..


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The answer is obvious, no need for a border lockdown if we can just palm the Nordies off on to the Micks as part of our Brexit agreement.


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Petros wrote:
If the Brexiters win what is the impact on all the Brit OAPs in Spain? And how many of them are there?


It will be impossible to get a decent full-English and watch Eastenders when on holiday in Benidorm.

Vote remain!


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If the Brexiters win what is the impact on all the Brit OAPs in Spain? And how many of them are there?


Who knows?



Why would anything happen to them? There's nothing "eu" about their residencies..


There is actually. Their right to remain without any supporting paperwork is predicated entirely on the UK and Spain both being part of the EU. Presumably there would need to be some sort of residency visa required if Brexit were to happen.


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