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Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:08 pm
by Gospel
iarmhiman wrote:
100MileDad wrote:Let's be fair to the Irish lads on here, the one's with any brains are shitting it due to the potential effect if could have on their economy, no wonder they are lashing out.
We don't know what affects it will have. It will certainly be negative for farmers but positive for services as they move here from the UK.

Win some lose some
Good business for brass plate makers. :thumbup:

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:09 pm
by iarmhiman
100MileDad wrote:
It's stating the obvious but British folk as existing members of a political Union are rather well versed in the dangers of centralised government which is why the majority of the population are against Ken Clarke's ambition to see Westminster reduced to merely a council chamber of the periphery of the European Superstate.
Surely it would be easier just to say that we don't like Polish people? Oh wait.
The majority of voters voted out because they were pissed off with eastern europeans coming into the country taking their jobs.. The average Brit wouldn't have a clue about politics and rely on the lies their media (left and right) tell them so the bit on EU unelected bureaucrats is a load of tosh

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:10 pm
by Leinster in London
Gospel wrote: What is this nonsense? Ireland, Norway and the UK were offered the opportunity to join the EEC in 1973. Ireland and Norway had a public vote, the UK did not.
So is parliament sovereign or not ?

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:13 pm
by Gospel
Leinster in London wrote:
Gospel wrote: What is this nonsense? Ireland, Norway and the UK were offered the opportunity to join the EEC in 1973. Ireland and Norway had a public vote, the UK did not.
So is parliament sovereign or not ?
Another stupid post. You're on a roll. iarmhiman claimed that Ireland joined the EU because Britain was "a main player in the EU" which was wrong in every sense.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:14 pm
by unseenwork
Gospel wrote:
Leinster in London wrote:
Gospel wrote: What is this nonsense? Ireland, Norway and the UK were offered the opportunity to join the EEC in 1973. Ireland and Norway had a public vote, the UK did not.
So is parliament sovereign or not ?
Another stupid post. You're on a roll. iarmhiman claimed that Ireland joined the EU because Britain was "a main player in the EU" which was wrong in every sense.
If it wasn't then it was electively so.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:17 pm
by Gospel
unseenwork wrote:
Gospel wrote:
Leinster in London wrote:
Gospel wrote: What is this nonsense? Ireland, Norway and the UK were offered the opportunity to join the EEC in 1973. Ireland and Norway had a public vote, the UK did not.
So is parliament sovereign or not ?
Another stupid post. You're on a roll. iarmhiman claimed that Ireland joined the EU because Britain was "a main player in the EU" which was wrong in every sense.
If it wasn't then it was electively so.
Christ. It wasn't the EU, it was the EEC and Britain wasn't an existing member so to say that Ireland joined the EU because Britain was a big player in the EU is wrong every which way.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:17 pm
by camroc1
100MileDad wrote:
You do know ever closer union was on the agenda since 1957 Treaty of Rome. You lot joined in 1973 already knowing that
Got any proof to back that statement up?
How about this December 1972 article in the illustrated London News by your then PM Edward Heath ?

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Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:19 pm
by 100MileDad
The majority of voters voted out because they were pissed off with eastern europeans coming into the country taking their jobs
Bollocks.
EU unelected bureaucrats is a load of tosh
Right, scenario for you. The EU council decide to implement a policy.........the overwhelming majority of the the EU population don't like it.........How do we stop them from implementing the policy and if it's too late to stop it how would we stop them from doing it again?

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:20 pm
by shereblue
100MileDad wrote:
shereblue wrote:
100MileDad wrote:
Not sure about your heritage but I am guessing you are ethnically European.
So what?
You seem very conflicted.
Again, I'll ask, so what?
That's a question for you.

Is there some unresolved conflict going back to your childhood? Happy exploring

Not my business, thankfully, but parading your denial of fact on a forum sort of makes it all a bit public.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:22 pm
by 100MileDad
Not my business, thankfully, but parading your denial of fact on a forum sort of makes it all a bit public.
Yeah, you'll have to show me where I denied anything.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:24 pm
by 100MileDad
Right, scenario for you. The EU council decide to implement a policy.........the overwhelming majority of the the EU population don't like it.........How do we stop them from implementing the policy and if it's too late to stop it how would we stop them from doing it again?
The answer is, we couldn't do a thing.

At least in the UK we have the chance to vote out the offending party should we so wish.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:24 pm
by iarmhiman
100MileDad wrote:
The majority of voters voted out because they were pissed off with eastern europeans coming into the country taking their jobs
Bollocks.
EU unelected bureaucrats is a load of tosh
Right, scenario for you. The EU council decide to implement a policy.........the overwhelming majority of the the EU population don't like it.........How do we stop them from implementing the policy and if it's too late to stop it how would we stop them from doing it again?
You get the EU parliament to block it...Simples

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:25 pm
by 100MileDad
iarmhiman wrote:
100MileDad wrote:
The majority of voters voted out because they were pissed off with eastern europeans coming into the country taking their jobs
Bollocks.
EU unelected bureaucrats is a load of tosh
Right, scenario for you. The EU council decide to implement a policy.........the overwhelming majority of the the EU population don't like it.........How do we stop them from implementing the policy and if it's too late to stop it how would we stop them from doing it again?
You get the EU parliament to block it...Simples
The council out rank the parliment. The parliament are just there to show a veneer of democracy.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:28 pm
by iarmhiman
100MileDad wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
100MileDad wrote:
The majority of voters voted out because they were pissed off with eastern europeans coming into the country taking their jobs
Bollocks.
EU unelected bureaucrats is a load of tosh
Right, scenario for you. The EU council decide to implement a policy.........the overwhelming majority of the the EU population don't like it.........How do we stop them from implementing the policy and if it's too late to stop it how would we stop them from doing it again?
You get the EU parliament to block it...Simples
The council out rank the parliment. The parliament are just there to show a veneer of democracy.
No let me explain this:

The EU Council is made up of all the EU heads of states led by Donald Tusk

The Exectutive is the EU Commission made up of commissioners elected by members elected by the European Council members led by Jean Claude Juncker

The legislative is the EU parliament.

If the executive wants to pass an EU bill if you like, the EU parliament has to approve it.

So yes it can block the EU commission's strategy if it has a majority backing

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:36 pm
by 100MileDad
<sigh>

The Council are the decision makers. If they wanted to make Morocco part of the EU, for example, how would we go about stopping that?

Short answer, we, the people, couldn't stop anything.

No, feck that.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:39 pm
by bimboman
iarmhiman wrote:
bimboman wrote:
You'll know all about it when you leave.
Yeah, you think the Spanish, Portuguese and Greeks are going to make the British fill in Visas to go on holiday. :lol:
English arrogance suggests you don't and here come the smileys again :uhoh:

Might just throw you onto ignore for a few hours. Don't want to be reported.

No I really don't think that, plus the Spanish have said they'll be protecting UK citizens in Spain.

I won't report you and actually never have so stop hanging out of C69's arse for a reaction.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:39 pm
by Laurent
100MileDad wrote:<sigh>

The Council are the decision makers. If they wanted to make Morocco part of the EU, for example, how would we go about stopping that?

Short answer, we, the people, couldn't stop anything.

No, feck that.
Good old DAC spouting xenophobic/Racist rubish since he left the spud peeling corp.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:41 pm
by 100MileDad
Laurent wrote:
100MileDad wrote:<sigh>

The Council are the decision makers. If they wanted to make Morocco part of the EU, for example, how would we go about stopping that?

Short answer, we, the people, couldn't stop anything.

No, feck that.
Good old DAC spouting xenophobic/Racist rubish since he left the spud peeling corp.

Any chance you could get some new material? It really is quite tedious, surely you don't find it funny?

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:43 pm
by 100MileDad
bimboman wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
bimboman wrote:
You'll know all about it when you leave.
Yeah, you think the Spanish, Portuguese and Greeks are going to make the British fill in Visas to go on holiday. :lol:
English arrogance suggests you don't and here come the smileys again :uhoh:

Might just throw you onto ignore for a few hours. Don't want to be reported.

No I really don't think that, plus the Spanish have said they'll be protecting UK citizens in Spain.

I won't report you and actually never have so stop hanging out of C69's arse for a reaction.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... nes-flying

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:45 pm
by bimboman
Laurent wrote:
100MileDad wrote:<sigh>

The Council are the decision makers. If they wanted to make Morocco part of the EU, for example, how would we go about stopping that?

Short answer, we, the people, couldn't stop anything.

No, feck that.
Good old DAC spouting xenophobic/Racist rubish since he left the spud peeling corp.


Where's the racist content of the post you've quoted ? Are you bigoted against Moroccans ?

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:45 pm
by shereblue
100MileDad wrote:
We're European. European and proud
If that's how you identify then that's fine, I'm not and never will be European.

It's a lot like how you lot never felt British. So you blew up a post office. We voted Brexit.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:46 pm
by La soule
100MileDad wrote:<sigh>

The Council are the decision makers. If they wanted to make Morocco part of the EU, for example, how would we go about stopping that?

Short answer, we, the people, couldn't stop anything.

No, feck that.
You guys are leaving. This should stop the reckless decisions made by the EU while you still had a say in it.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:47 pm
by 100MileDad
shereblue wrote:
100MileDad wrote:
We're European. European and proud
If that's how you identify then that's fine, I'm not and never will be European.

It's a lot like how you lot never felt British. So you blew up a post office. We voted Brexit.
To stop myself stabbing myself in the eye through the sheer pettiness of your argument, you win.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:48 pm
by shereblue
bimboman wrote:
Laurent wrote:
100MileDad wrote:<sigh>

The Council are the decision makers. If they wanted to make Morocco part of the EU, for example, how would we go about stopping that?

Short answer, we, the people, couldn't stop anything.

No, feck that.
Good old DAC spouting xenophobic/Racist rubish since he left the spud peeling corp.


Where's the racist content of the post you've quoted ? Are you bigoted against Moroccans ?
Spotting Racism for Dummies

https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl= ... mrc&uact=8

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:49 pm
by 100MileDad
La soule wrote:
100MileDad wrote:<sigh>

The Council are the decision makers. If they wanted to make Morocco part of the EU, for example, how would we go about stopping that?

Short answer, we, the people, couldn't stop anything.

No, feck that.
You guys are leaving. This should stop the reckless decisions made by the EU while you still had a say in it.
What, like this one?
David Cameron plunged Britain's position in Europe into the greatest uncertainty in a generation as he used his veto to block a new EU-wide treaty and left at least 23 other countries to forge a pact to salvage the single currency.

With the apparent blessing of the pro-European deputy prime minister, Nick Clegg – and the subsequent delight of Tory backbenchers – Cameron deployed the ultimate weapon in European summitry at about 2.30am yesterday.

EU leaders promptly agreed to bypass Britain and establish a new accord on the euro among themselves by March. The EU appeared poised to line up 26-1 against Cameron in support of the Franco-German blueprint, leaving Britain utterly isolated.
:lol:

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:51 pm
by Chips
iarmhiman wrote:
100MileDad wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
100MileDad wrote:
We're European. European and proud
If that's how you identify then that's fine, I'm not and never will be European.

It's a lot like how you lot never felt British. So you blew up a post office. We voted Brexit.
Ah the classic English working class riposte to an Irish European. IRA innit.....
I'm merely point out that we're in fact similar. You didn't like something so you changed it, sod the consequences, so did we.
Difference was we were poor in the British empire....a farmyard for Britain if you like.

Britain was a main player in the EU

Ireland joined the EU because Britain joined the EU, then diversified its economy away from agriculture to services and benefited massively.

Britain is leaving the EU because its old farts have nostalgia for supposed better times in the past and also because they hate Eastern European foreigners and want to stop them entering the country

so not at all similar.


Always fun reading people's opinions about how they think other people think, reason and make decisions.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:52 pm
by bimboman
iarmhiman wrote:
100MileDad wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
100MileDad wrote:
The majority of voters voted out because they were pissed off with eastern europeans coming into the country taking their jobs
Bollocks.
EU unelected bureaucrats is a load of tosh
Right, scenario for you. The EU council decide to implement a policy.........the overwhelming majority of the the EU population don't like it.........How do we stop them from implementing the policy and if it's too late to stop it how would we stop them from doing it again?
You get the EU parliament to block it...Simples
The council out rank the parliment. The parliament are just there to show a veneer of democracy.
No let me explain this:

The EU Council is made up of all the EU heads of states led by Donald Tusk

The Exectutive is the EU Commission made up of commissioners elected by members elected by the European Council members led by Jean Claude Juncker

The legislative is the EU parliament.

If the executive wants to pass an EU bill if you like, the EU parliament has to approve it.

So yes it can block the EU commission's strategy if it has a majority backing

Now now, "majority" is a bit loose. In many issues there's Qualified majority voting, so some council members are more equal than other, Ireland's being less than 1% for example.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:52 pm
by camroc1
100MileDad wrote:I've been away, has the subject of Germany shamefully rigging the value of the Euro been discussed?
In what way ? The Euro has been good for the EU, including Portugal, Ireland, Spain and Greece.

A quick comparison of GDP per capita values for each in 2000(before adoption of the Euro) and 2016 (latest figures available) shows this in terms any one can understand.

Portugal: GDP per capita 2000 : US$ 11, 502 2016 : US$ 19, 813 Increase : + 72%
Ireland : 2000 : US$ 26, 241 2016 : US$ 61,606 Increase : + 135%
Greece : 2000 : US$ 12, 043 2016 : US$ 18,103 Increase : + 50%
Spain : 2000 : US$ 14, 677 2016 : US$ 26, 528 Increase : + 81%

So far from suffering the effects of a Euro whose value was rigged against them, the tale peddled remorselessly by the UK press and Brexiteers, the so-called "PIGS" countries have, overall, enjoyed enormous overall growth in their economies, notwithstanding the effects of bail-outs, etc,

For comparison purposes lets look at the same figures for the UK, which according to the same press and Brexiteers, was able to avoid the EU disease by staying out of the Euro, and keeping sterling. So,

UK : GDP per capita 2000: US$ 27, 769 2016: US$ 39,899 Increase : +43%

So, in actual fact, over the course of the Euro period, growth per capita in the UK economy, which enjoyed glorious control over its own currency, has been substantially less than that in the so called "PIGS" economies of Ireland, Spain and Portugal, and less even than the growth in the Greek economy despite the various bailouts.

And you still talk of the Germans rigging the value of the Euro! :lol:

EDIT Source for all GDP figures is the World Bank.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:53 pm
by La soule
100MileDad wrote:
La soule wrote:
100MileDad wrote:<sigh>

The Council are the decision makers. If they wanted to make Morocco part of the EU, for example, how would we go about stopping that?

Short answer, we, the people, couldn't stop anything.

No, feck that.
You guys are leaving. This should stop the reckless decisions made by the EU while you still had a say in it.
What, like this one?
David Cameron plunged Britain's position in Europe into the greatest uncertainty in a generation as he used his veto to block a new EU-wide treaty and left at least 23 other countries to forge a pact to salvage the single currency.

With the apparent blessing of the pro-European deputy prime minister, Nick Clegg – and the subsequent delight of Tory backbenchers – Cameron deployed the ultimate weapon in European summitry at about 2.30am yesterday.

EU leaders promptly agreed to bypass Britain and establish a new accord on the euro among themselves by March. The EU appeared poised to line up 26-1 against Cameron in support of the Franco-German blueprint, leaving Britain utterly isolated.
:lol:
Pesky Europeans trying to save their currency which the Brits are not even using.

Reading that again, you guys are real cnuts.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:55 pm
by bimboman
shereblue wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Laurent wrote:
100MileDad wrote:<sigh>

The Council are the decision makers. If they wanted to make Morocco part of the EU, for example, how would we go about stopping that?

Short answer, we, the people, couldn't stop anything.

No, feck that.
Good old DAC spouting xenophobic/Racist rubish since he left the spud peeling corp.


Where's the racist content of the post you've quoted ? Are you bigoted against Moroccans ?
Spotting Racism for Dummies

https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl= ... mrc&uact=8

nah .... Not even a nice try, just bigoted crap.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:55 pm
by Chips
iarmhiman wrote:
100MileDad wrote:
It's stating the obvious but British folk as existing members of a political Union are rather well versed in the dangers of centralised government which is why the majority of the population are against Ken Clarke's ambition to see Westminster reduced to merely a council chamber of the periphery of the European Superstate.
Surely it would be easier just to say that we don't like Polish people? Oh wait.
The majority of voters voted out because they were pissed off with eastern europeans coming into the country taking their jobs.. The average Brit wouldn't have a clue about politics and rely on the lies their media (left and right) tell them so the bit on EU unelected bureaucrats is a load of tosh


More insight into what over 17m like were thinking. Impressive.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:56 pm
by 100MileDad
Pesky Europeans trying to save their currency which the Brits are not even using.
:lol:

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:57 pm
by Chips
camroc1 wrote:
100MileDad wrote:I've been away, has the subject of Germany shamefully rigging the value of the Euro been discussed?
In what way ? The Euro has been good for the EU, including Portugal, Ireland, Spain and Greece.

A quick comparison of GDP per capita values for each in 2000(before adoption of the Euro) and 2016 (latest figures available) shows this in terms any one can understand.

Portugal: GDP per capita 2000 : US$ 11, 502 2016 : US$ 19, 813 Increase : + 72%
Ireland : 2000 : US$ 26, 241 2016 : US$ 61,606 Increase : + 135%
Greece : 2000 : US$ 12, 043 2016 : US$ 18,103 Increase : + 50%
Spain : 2000 : US$ 14, 677 2016 : US$ 26, 528 Increase : + 81%

So far from suffering the effects of a Euro whose value was rigged against them, the tale peddled remorselessly by the UK press and Brexiteers, the so-called "PIGS" countries have, overall, enjoyed enormous overall growth in their economies, notwithstanding the effects of bail-outs, etc,

For comparison purposes lets look at the same figures for the UK, which according to the same press and Brexiteers, was able to avoid the EU disease by staying out of the Euro, and keeping sterling. So,

UK : GDP per capita 2000: US$ 27, 769 2016: US$ 39,899 Increase : +43%

So, in actual fact, over the course of the Euro period, growth per capita in the UK economy, which enjoyed glorious control over its own currency, has been substantially less than that in the so called "PIGS" economies of Ireland, Spain and Portugal, and less even than the growth in the Greek economy despite the various bailouts.

And you still talk of the Germans rigging the value of the Euro! :lol:

EDIT Source for all GDP figures is the World Bank.

Can you do one for unemployment in 2000 and then in 2016?

Cheers 👍

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:58 pm
by shereblue
Goodness me. How many times have we covered the fact that accession to the EU is subject to veto by a single member state?

The danger to the UK is that if it leaves the EU it will no longer have a veto over what the EU does in the future.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:01 pm
by Chips
shereblue wrote:Goodness me. How many times have we covered the fact that accession to the EU is subject to veto by a single member state?

The danger to the UK is that if it leaves the EU it will no longer have a veto over what the EU does in the future.

Gordon Brown literally nipped over to Lisbon on a 'good day to bury bad news' and signed the treaty before sneaking back.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:02 pm
by 100MileDad
The danger to the UK is that if it leaves the EU it will no longer have a veto over what the EU does in the future.
They would just ignore the veto anyway.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:03 pm
by Leinster in London
Gospel wrote:
Leinster in London wrote:
Gospel wrote: What is this nonsense? Ireland, Norway and the UK were offered the opportunity to join the EEC in 1973. Ireland and Norway had a public vote, the UK did not.
So is parliament sovereign or not ?
Another stupid post. You're on a roll. iarmhiman claimed that Ireland joined the EU because Britain was "a main player in the EU" which was wrong in every sense.
Well get your Power to the People revolution going. In the meantime parliamentary sovereignty exists.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:08 pm
by shereblue
100MileDad wrote:
The danger to the UK is that if it leaves the EU it will no longer have a veto over what the EU does in the future.
They would just ignore the veto anyway.
Your example of Moroccan accession could be vetoed by any EU member, so on that issue even if the UK stood alone against all other members it could not happen.

Did you really believe the "threat" of Turkey joining the EU could happen without the UK being able to bar it? Not to say that plenty of other nations would have vetoed that non starter of a prospect anyway.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:09 pm
by 100MileDad
Have the EU decided who's going to plug the funding gap when we leave yet?

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:10 pm
by Chips
shereblue wrote:
100MileDad wrote:
The danger to the UK is that if it leaves the EU it will no longer have a veto over what the EU does in the future.
They would just ignore the veto anyway.
Your example of Moroccan accession could be vetoed by any EU member, so on that issue even if the UK stood alone against all other members it could not happen.

Did you really believe the "threat" of Turkey joining the EU could happen without the UK being able to bar it? Not to say that plenty of other nations would have vetoed that non starter of a prospect anyway.

Who decides on a veto?