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That’s a bit cheeky of tusk there, no sweetheart tax deals like Ireland.


I love it when people throw that out there.


Name one of those deals and why its a 'sweetheart' deal!


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Apple's one of the obvious examples. This Irish Times article explains why it's a sweetheart deal:

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/opinion-apple-s-irish-sweetheart-deal-unfair-to-taxpayers-1.2773459

You're welcome.


Incorrect. See my post of 07.03.18 at 17.15 on Page 1629

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Those with Swiss plans are stuck paying roaming charges. Equally, EU phone users in Switzerland will still be subject to roaming charges when they are in Switzerland, although some EU operators, for example Vodafone and Orange France, have decided to treat Switzerland as part of the EU for roaming purposes.


Some operators have taken the lead.


So, what does that mean?

Will the swarm be able to use their Nokia’s on the mainland after Brexit?

Will I still be roaming in Europe?


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Those with Swiss plans are stuck paying roaming charges. Equally, EU phone users in Switzerland will still be subject to roaming charges when they are in Switzerland, although some EU operators, for example Vodafone and Orange France, have decided to treat Switzerland as part of the EU for roaming purposes.


Some operators have taken the lead.


So, what does that mean?

Will the swarm be able to use their Nokia’s on the mainland after Brexit?

Will I still be roaming in Europe?


Yes as we'll still be in EU.

Oh you were talking about Great Britain. Yes but there will be roaming charges again. Late Call Forwarding diverts will be charged as well.


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Those with Swiss plans are stuck paying roaming charges. Equally, EU phone users in Switzerland will still be subject to roaming charges when they are in Switzerland, although some EU operators, for example Vodafone and Orange France, have decided to treat Switzerland as part of the EU for roaming purposes.


Some operators have taken the lead.


So, what does that mean?

Will the swarm be able to use their Nokia’s on the mainland after Brexit?

Will I still be roaming in Europe?


Yes as we'll still be in EU.

Oh you were talking about Great Britain. Yes but there will be roaming charges again. Late Call Forwarding diverts will be charged as well.


Yeah- the OG mainland :P

Unless airtime suppliers work out a deal like vodamoan with Switzerland?

(You should romp this topic being a phone man)


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:07 am 
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Not a sweetheart deal.... Despite what the Commission want.

Why should apple - a US company- pay Ireland corpo tax?
It's the us tax code that allows apple to not repatriate cash until it wants to. The EU can be upset with this but there is precious little they can do about it.


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DragsterDriver wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
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Those with Swiss plans are stuck paying roaming charges. Equally, EU phone users in Switzerland will still be subject to roaming charges when they are in Switzerland, although some EU operators, for example Vodafone and Orange France, have decided to treat Switzerland as part of the EU for roaming purposes.


Some operators have taken the lead.


So, what does that mean?

Will the swarm be able to use their Nokia’s on the mainland after Brexit?

Will I still be roaming in Europe?


Yes as we'll still be in EU.

Oh you were talking about Great Britain. Yes but there will be roaming charges again. Late Call Forwarding diverts will be charged as well.


Yeah- the OG mainland :P

Unless airtime suppliers work out a deal like vodamoan with Switzerland?

(You should romp this topic being a phone man)


Roaming agreements are set up before any of the signalling is set up to allow roamers inbound and outbound to each others networks.

None of that will change. We set up roaming agreements with Cuba and Iran FFS.

It's the rating that changes.

When you make a call on a roaming partner network, the switch cuts CDRs ( Call Data records), and sends it as a TAP file back via partner to the home network where it reconciles the wholesale charge. Home network passes on the charge to the customer.

EU said for a Voicemail divert while roaming that this divert could nto be charged. We had to put in some signalling trickery so that the when the call rang out on the roaming network, the divert wasn't set up in the roaming country but back on the home network, so there was no CDR cut on the roaming network and therefore no wholesale charge.

For UK, I would just reverse what we did a few years ago for +44 number ranges.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:11 am 
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He wasnt expecting that much detail in reply :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:14 am 
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S Club wrote:
nardol wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:

That’s a bit cheeky of tusk there, no sweetheart tax deals like Ireland.


I love it when people throw that out there.


Name one of those deals and why its a 'sweetheart' deal!


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Apple's one of the obvious examples. This Irish Times article explains why it's a sweetheart deal:

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/opinion-apple-s-irish-sweetheart-deal-unfair-to-taxpayers-1.2773459

You're welcome.

Incorrect.

See my post of 07.03.18 at 17.15 on page 1629.


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DragsterDriver wrote:
S Club wrote:
nardol wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:

That’s a bit cheeky of tusk there, no sweetheart tax deals like Ireland.


I love it when people throw that out there.


Name one of those deals and why its a 'sweetheart' deal!


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Apple's one of the obvious examples. This Irish Times article explains why it's a sweetheart deal:

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/opinion-apple-s-irish-sweetheart-deal-unfair-to-taxpayers-1.2773459

You're welcome.


Incorrect. See my post of 07.03.18 at 17.15 on Page 1629

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nardol wrote:
Not a sweetheart deal.... Despite what the Commission want.

Why should apple - a US company- pay Ireland corpo tax?
It's the us tax code that allows apple to not repatriate cash until it wants to. The EU can be upset with this but there is precious little they can do about it.


Because the profits weren't posted through Apple Inc, but through its Irish subsidiaries?

Have you worked in international business at all?


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nardol wrote:
Not a sweetheart deal.... Despite what the Commission want.

Why should apple - a US company- pay Ireland corpo tax?
It's the us tax code that allows apple to not repatriate cash until it wants to. The EU can be upset with this but there is precious little they can do about it.




27 other countries that Ireland are in a (supposedly) mutual trade agreement with, who collect tax from their citizens so they can pay the EU, who then pay out that money to Ireland, disagree with you.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:18 am 
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He wasnt expecting that much detail in reply :lol:


I was, specialist subject :nod:

Not like the rest of us numpties pretending we’re financial gurus.


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nardol wrote:
Not a sweetheart deal.... Despite what the Commission want.

Why should apple - a US company- pay Ireland corpo tax?
It's the us tax code that allows apple to not repatriate cash until it wants to. The EU can be upset with this but there is precious little they can do about it.


‘Go whistle’


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S Club wrote:
nardol wrote:
Not a sweetheart deal.... Despite what the Commission want.

Why should apple - a US company- pay Ireland corpo tax?
It's the us tax code that allows apple to not repatriate cash until it wants to. The EU can be upset with this but there is precious little they can do about it.


Because the profits weren't posted through Apple Inc, but through its Irish subsidiaries?

Have you worked in international business at all?


Of course he hasn’t.


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So, Euroclear have confirmed the move to Brussels


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So, Euroclear have confirmed the move to Brussels

Shifting legal residence to Brussels, and also opening a Dublin office.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 43771.html


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So, Euroclear have confirmed the move to Brussels

Shifting legal residence to Brussels, and also opening a Dublin office.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 43771.html




Probably like the Apple office - a brass plate and a board meeting every 3 months.


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So, Euroclear have confirmed the move to Brussels

Shifting legal residence to Brussels, and also opening a Dublin office.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 43771.html




Probably like the Apple office - a brass plate and a board meeting every 3 months.

FTR.

Apple Ireland opened in Cork in 1980, 4 years after Apple Inc was founded. Apple Ireland currently employs 5,500 + (ie it is actively recruiting), and is currently extending its European HQ in Cork to accommodate a further 1,000 employees.

Some brass plate.


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So, Euroclear have confirmed the move to Brussels

Shifting legal residence to Brussels, and also opening a Dublin office.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 43771.html




Probably like the Apple office - a brass plate and a board meeting every 3 months.

FTR.

Apple Ireland opened in Cork in 1980, 4 years after Apple Inc was founded. Apple Ireland currently employs 5,500 + (ie it is actively recruiting), and is currently extending its European HQ in Cork to accommodate a further 1,000 employees.

Some brass plate.




That company makes peanuts. I was referring to Apple Sales International.


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Chips wrote:
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So, Euroclear have confirmed the move to Brussels

Shifting legal residence to Brussels, and also opening a Dublin office.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 43771.html




Probably like the Apple office - a brass plate and a board meeting every 3 months.

FTR.

Apple Ireland opened in Cork in 1980, 4 years after Apple Inc was founded. Apple Ireland currently employs 5,500 + (ie it is actively recruiting), and is currently extending its European HQ in Cork to accommodate a further 1,000 employees.

Some brass plate.




That company makes peanuts. I was referring to Apple Sales International.

It manufactures Apple products for the Europe market (it's actually the only Apple owned manufacturing plant in the world) , as well as housing EMEA HQ facilities (including Finance with quite a horde of 'brass plate' subsidiary companies, as all MNCs have), EMEA R&D, customer care, logistics, sales etc.etc. That is, it provides all services from its Cork European HQ, and any subsidiary company is not a 'brass plate' in the commonly understood meaning of the word, employing only a couple of lawyers. There is a very substantial Apple presence in Ireland.

The same can be said of Google, which opened in Dublin in 2003, 5 years after Google Inc was founded, and now employs 7,000+ and has advance lets on offices in Dublin to bring that up to 12,000 +.

Or of Facebook, which opened in Dublin in 2009, some 5 years after the company was founded, and now employs 2,200 + people. Even venerables like Microsoftft and IBM employ 2,200 and 3,000 in Dublin respectively and both are actively expanding.

To say that subsidiary companies to these are simply 'brass plates' is to totally ignore the scale, importance and function of their operations in Ireland.


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EU demands 2.7bn euros of 'unpaid customs duty' from UK

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he European Commission has written to the UK government saying the UK owes €2.7bn (£2.4bn) in customs duties on shoes and textiles imported from China.

The UK is accused of doing too little to prevent fraud after it was warned about the problem by the EU's watchdog Olaf in 2017.

It begins a legal process which could end at the European Court of Justice.

HM Revenue and Customs said it did not recognise the commission's estimate of what it owed.

The Olaf investigation said the UK was a "significant hub" for so-called undervaluation fraud - where importers can profit from evading customs duties and related taxes.

The investigation found organised crime groups had been using fake invoices to undervalue goods being imported from China - many of which were destined for the black market in other parts of the EU, investigators claimed.

Olaf have said they had warned HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) a number of times.

But a government spokesman said: "We do not recognise the European Commission's estimate of alleged duty loss.

"We take customs fraud very seriously, and we continue to evolve our response as new threats emerge.

"We will carefully examine the formal notice from the commission and respond in due course.

"The UK intends to continue to work closely with Olaf and the commission on customs fraud.

"HMRC has a very strong track record for tackling evasion and rule-breaking of all kinds, securing a record £28.9bn last year that would otherwise have gone unpaid."

HMRC said the commission's methodology overestimated UK import values and was not suitable to produce an estimate of alleged customs duty undervaluation.

It said the estimate was based on EU average prices and failed to take into account the "substantial growth in the low-value end of the UK clothing market".


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43328398

So the UK a hub for valuation fraud????


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To say that subsidiary companies to these are simply 'brass plates' is to totally ignore the scale, importance and function of their operations in Ireland.



Yes yes yes, I'm not fussed about ignoring the importance of Apple Ireland, it's Apple Sales International that's the problem.


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S Club wrote:
nardol wrote:
Not a sweetheart deal.... Despite what the Commission want.

Why should apple - a US company- pay Ireland corpo tax?
It's the us tax code that allows apple to not repatriate cash until it wants to. The EU can be upset with this but there is precious little they can do about it.


Because the profits weren't posted through Apple Inc, but through its Irish subsidiaries?

Have you worked in international business at all?


Define international business?

I've worked in legal roles in The Netherlands. Ive Worked for deloitte in a tax consulting role and now I work for a bank in Dublin.

I don't however know what reaches your definition if international business.


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Chips wrote:
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To say that subsidiary companies to these are simply 'brass plates' is to totally ignore the scale, importance and function of their operations in Ireland.



Yes yes yes, I'm not fussed about ignoring the importance of Apple Ireland, it's Apple Sales International that's the problem.


What happens to all this income that flows through Apple Sales International once it is repatriated to the USA?

( I have no knowledge of Apple's tax structures.)


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So, Euroclear have confirmed the move to Brussels

Shifting legal residence to Brussels, and also opening a Dublin office.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 43771.html



Euro clear is a Belgium company. It's shifting a legal status post its purchase of Crest.

That article is about as dumb or dishonest an article can be.


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The Euroclear entity I know of and with which my employer has dealings is already the Belgian Brussels based entity.


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Just checked:

Ownership: Euroclear Plc, is the holding company which owns, directly or indirectly, the entire issued ordinary share capital of the Euroclear group of companies. It is incorporated in the UK and has a widely spread ownership of a consortium of c. 136 user-shareholders (financial institutions) which hold a c. 74.5% stake. Sicovam Holding SA (former owner of Euroclear France) holds c. 15.5% and Intercontinental Exchange (Ice) holds c. 10%.

Edit: So little employment impact. The British based Euroclear appears to be more of a brass plate :roll: *snigger*


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Nice to see Toga still vigorously defending the European Commission.


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https://www.independent.ie/business/tec ... 80103.html


Google employs 5,000 not 7,000 , 1/2 of them contractors, it wouldn't change your argument about the business to be honest.


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https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/google-hits-5000-employee-level-in-dublin-now-one-of-capitals-biggest-employers-31480103.html


Google employs 5,000 not 7,000 , 1/2 of them contractors, it wouldn't change your argument about the business to be honest.


:lol:

August 26 2015 3:12 PM

Edit. I don't doubt however that the number is much lower than what is reported .... whatever the actual number is.


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https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/google-hits-5000-employee-level-in-dublin-now-one-of-capitals-biggest-employers-31480103.html


Google employs 5,000 not 7,000 , 1/2 of them contractors, it wouldn't change your argument about the business to be honest.


I heard they were offering a lot of fixed term contracts as a company policy.


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Just checked:

Ownership: Euroclear Plc, is the holding company which owns, directly or indirectly, the entire issued ordinary share capital of the Euroclear group of companies. It is incorporated in the UK and has a widely spread ownership of a consortium of c. 136 user-shareholders (financial institutions) which hold a c. 74.5% stake. Sicovam Holding SA (former owner of Euroclear France) holds c. 15.5% and Intercontinental Exchange (Ice) holds c. 10%.

Edit: So little employment impact. The British based Euroclear appears to be more of a brass plate :roll: *snigger*



The U.K. Euro clear is just Crest and that's the Irish connection too.


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Nice to see Toga still vigorously defending the European Commission.




Ironic that an honest Brexiteer is of greater value to the EU than a dishonest Remainer.



FTW :thumbup:


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https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/google-hits-5000-employee-level-in-dublin-now-one-of-capitals-biggest-employers-31480103.html


Google employs 5,000 not 7,000 , 1/2 of them contractors, it wouldn't change your argument about the business to be honest.


I heard they were offering a lot of fixed term contracts as a company policy.



Open the link and it tells you the 5,000 is nearly 1/2 contractors and that they have 146 vacancies.


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https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/google-hits-5000-employee-level-in-dublin-now-one-of-capitals-biggest-employers-31480103.html


Google employs 5,000 not 7,000 , 1/2 of them contractors, it wouldn't change your argument about the business to be honest.


I heard they were offering a lot of fixed term contracts as a company policy.



Open the link and it tells you the 5,000 is nearly 1/2 contractors and that they have 146 vacancies.


So it does. It would be interesting to see if they are local contractors taking advantages of the local market conditions.


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A lot are FTC. My brother included.


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La soule wrote:
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La soule wrote:
bimboman wrote:
https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/google-hits-5000-employee-level-in-dublin-now-one-of-capitals-biggest-employers-31480103.html


Google employs 5,000 not 7,000 , 1/2 of them contractors, it wouldn't change your argument about the business to be honest.


I heard they were offering a lot of fixed term contracts as a company policy.



Open the link and it tells you the 5,000 is nearly 1/2 contractors and that they have 146 vacancies.


So it does. It would be interesting to see if they are local contractors taking advantages of the local market conditions.



Nice food and drink with golf at the weekend ?


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https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/google-hits-5000-employee-level-in-dublin-now-one-of-capitals-biggest-employers-31480103.html


Google employs 5,000 not 7,000 , 1/2 of them contractors, it wouldn't change your argument about the business to be honest.

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Google's expansion in Ireland has continued over the past year, with the company revealing today that it now employs 7,000 people here.


https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2017/1 ... workforce/

Whether one is employed in a permanent capacity, or on a fixed term contract, by a company, one is still employed by the same company.


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https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/google-hits-5000-employee-level-in-dublin-now-one-of-capitals-biggest-employers-31480103.html


Google employs 5,000 not 7,000 , 1/2 of them contractors, it wouldn't change your argument about the business to be honest.

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Google's expansion in Ireland has continued over the past year, with the company revealing today that it now employs 7,000 people here.


https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2017/1 ... workforce/

Whether one is employed in a permanent capacity, or on a fixed term contract, by a company, one is still employed by the same company.




What if they run their invoices through a Byzantine array of shell companies designed to pay as little tax as possible. Is it still the same company?


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