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Gospel wrote:
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    Soft brexit is a political position to stop brexit it's never been a reality.


    There would be a parliamentary majority for soft Brexit in any meaningful vote and - in my opinion - a public vote.

    The fact that we aren't going to get that is a political position.

    A soft Brexit isn't Brexit in any meaningful way - it's a terrible position to be in. The public who rejected full membership with plenty of perks would clearly reject being a vassal state of the European Union. This is just more remainer fantasy stuff.


    As you know I - and many others - think all forms of Brexit are a terrible position to be in.

    Regarding the public, you and I are both stating opinions. Opinion polls back my opinion, though I acknowledge it's still only my opinion.

    Fear of having their precious Brexit overturned and lack of humility are just as important factors for Brexiters as "democracy" and "the will of the people" in denying this.

    And back around we go. Ugh.


    Luckily it's only on this thread that we discuss this. There's no debate, controversy or concern anywhere else - everyone is loving a bit of Brexit.


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    PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:15 pm 
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    bimboman wrote:
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    Yip, I’m the one complaining about threats from the internet. :lol:



    Eh? That's not the context of the current discussion and you know full well that's not the case, the context is you claiming I'd had death threats (weeks or months ago) and that I was silver and dozy like in claiming that. Are you drunk ? Because quite frankly you're making a c unt of yourself.

    You’re the one frothing and complaining you’re getting threatened on the internet, not me.


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    PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:20 pm 
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    Sefton wrote:
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    Yip, I’m the one complaining about threats from the internet. :lol:



    Eh? That's not the context of the current discussion and you know full well that's not the case, the context is you claiming I'd had death threats (weeks or months ago) and that I was silver and dozy like in claiming that. Are you drunk ? Because quite frankly you're making a c unt of yourself.

    You’re the one frothing and complaining you’re getting threatened on the internet, not me.



    Yeah, you've been caught in a lie and now posting out of context on a differant thread , that's me frothing that is ? Idiot.


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    SamShark wrote:
    Luckily it's only on this thread that we discuss this. There's no debate, controversy or concern anywhere else - everyone is loving a bit of Brexit.

    People have moved on.


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    Death threats :lol: Ah right wingers really are massive knickers


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    PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:22 pm 
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    EverReady wrote:
    Death threats :lol: Ah right wingers really are massive knickers

    You evil evil man


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    PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:23 pm 
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    EverReady wrote:
    Death threats :lol: Ah right wingers really are massive knickers



    Death wishes, you did that. But of course bringing the discussion over to this thread and getting support from the likes of you regardless of context was Sefton's aim.


    But this is frothing apparently ....


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    PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:25 pm 
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    bimboman wrote:
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    Death threats :lol: Ah right wingers really are massive knickers



    Death wishes, you did that. But of course bringing the discussion over to this thread and getting support from the likes of you regardless of context was Sefton's aim.


    I'm a lone wolf baby


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    PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:26 pm 
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    EverReady wrote:
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    Death threats :lol: Ah right wingers really are massive knickers



    Death wishes, you did that. But of course bringing the discussion over to this thread and getting support from the likes of you regardless of context was Sefton's aim.


    I'm a lone wolf baby



    You're surprisingly long yourself that's for sure.


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    PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:27 pm 
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    bimboman wrote:
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    Death threats :lol: Ah right wingers really are massive knickers



    Death wishes, you did that. But of course bringing the discussion over to this thread and getting support from the likes of you regardless of context was Sefton's aim.


    I'm a lone wolf baby



    You're surprisingly long yourself that's for sure.


    Who told you :o


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    PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:28 pm 
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    :lol:


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    PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:50 pm 
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    For JRM and also other uneducated misusers of the term "vassal state", such a state is a subservient state that acts on the wishes of the dominant state, militarily. See generally, in recent times, TB and the "Special Relationship" where the USA formulated its policy and we were with it, "whatever".


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    PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:24 pm 
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    A lot of playing the man today-


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    PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:27 pm 
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    Gospel wrote:
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    Every view is not being listened to. The almost 50% who voted to remain are being ignored, and any leavers who want to stay in the customs union and/or single market are being ignored, both in the name of upholding the will the of the people (other than the will of the people who're being ignored)

    It is though a dog's breakfast

    You're fighting the referendum again. Boring. Move the fuck along.


    Meh, it's not as if the campaign to leave would have called a halt had the result skewed the same amount the other way. Though I do fear we'll be at least 10 if not 20 years outside the EU before we're able to get back in.


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    PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:28 pm 
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    Gospel wrote:
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    Soft brexit is a political position to stop brexit it's never been a reality.


    There would be a parliamentary majority for soft Brexit in any meaningful vote and - in my opinion - a public vote.

    The fact that we aren't going to get that is a political position.

    A soft Brexit isn't Brexit in any meaningful way - it's a terrible position to be in. The public who rejected full membership with plenty of perks would clearly reject being a vassal state of the European Union. This is just more remainer fantasy stuff.


    If you don't want a soft Brexit then you've the option to take shit on a daily basis until we're back in, or simply give up on Brexit


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    PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:32 pm 
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    Welcome to the sunlit uplands - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/busi ... 92006.html


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    Lowering standards in order to make Liam Fox happy is the will of the people. We lost, get over it.


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    Hardly a surprise coming from the US after they've noted Brexit is a once in a lifetime opportunity to take business from the UK (though I suspect that comment was about the City rather than a wider observation) and after they just offered us a crappier deal on flights once we're out of the EU.


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    PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:28 pm 
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    Gospel wrote:
    SamShark wrote:
    Luckily it's only on this thread that we discuss this. There's no debate, controversy or concern anywhere else - everyone is loving a bit of Brexit.

    People have moved on.

    :lol:


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    PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:11 pm 
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    piquant wrote:


    Well, enjoy your well earned freedom Brexiters. As Bimbo said, signing FTAs will be the esay part.


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    JM2K6 wrote:
    Gospel wrote:
    SamShark wrote:
    Luckily it's only on this thread that we discuss this. There's no debate, controversy or concern anywhere else - everyone is loving a bit of Brexit.

    People have moved on.

    :lol:

    The GE wasn't even fought on Brexit - as everyone thought it would be. Folk had moved on.


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    piquant wrote:
    Gospel wrote:
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    Soft brexit is a political position to stop brexit it's never been a reality.


    There would be a parliamentary majority for soft Brexit in any meaningful vote and - in my opinion - a public vote.

    The fact that we aren't going to get that is a political position.

    A soft Brexit isn't Brexit in any meaningful way - it's a terrible position to be in. The public who rejected full membership with plenty of perks would clearly reject being a vassal state of the European Union. This is just more remainer fantasy stuff.


    If you don't want a soft Brexit then you've the option to take shit on a daily basis until we're back in, or simply give up on Brexit

    Wut? :lol:


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    PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:18 pm 
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    piquant wrote:
    Gospel wrote:
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    Soft brexit is a political position to stop brexit it's never been a reality.


    There would be a parliamentary majority for soft Brexit in any meaningful vote and - in my opinion - a public vote.

    The fact that we aren't going to get that is a political position.

    A soft Brexit isn't Brexit in any meaningful way - it's a terrible position to be in. The public who rejected full membership with plenty of perks would clearly reject being a vassal state of the European Union. This is just more remainer fantasy stuff.


    If you don't want a soft Brexit then you've the option to take shit on a daily basis until we're back in, or simply give up on Brexit



    You're quite unwell. A soft brexit is worse than staying in. Though in reality brexit is the leaving of a trade agreement, that is all.


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    Gospel wrote:
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    Gospel wrote:
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    Luckily it's only on this thread that we discuss this. There's no debate, controversy or concern anywhere else - everyone is loving a bit of Brexit.

    People have moved on.

    :lol:

    The GE wasn't even fought on Brexit - as everyone thought it would be. Folk had moved on.


    Thanks to Gina Miller, the sovereignty of Parliament was re-established in the British Supreme Court. The fixed term parliament remained. Theresa Maybe swept this aside on the grounds that she and her team needed a strong negotiating hand. Every vote for her was to strengthen her hand as she specifically sought a Macron-like mandate.

    Revisionists emphasise that Corbyn still lost and now claim the result was about Nick Timothy or something. Sure. All as clear as the Brexit strategy itself.


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    shereblue wrote:
    Gospel wrote:
    JM2K6 wrote:
    Gospel wrote:
    SamShark wrote:
    Luckily it's only on this thread that we discuss this. There's no debate, controversy or concern anywhere else - everyone is loving a bit of Brexit.

    People have moved on.

    :lol:

    The GE wasn't even fought on Brexit - as everyone thought it would be. Folk had moved on.


    Thanks to George Soros, the sovereignty of Parliament was re-established in the British Supreme Court. The fixed term parliament remained. Theresa Maybe swept this aside on the grounds that she and her team needed a strong negotiating hand. Every vote for her was to strengthen her hand as she specifically sought a Macron-like mandate.

    Revisionists emphasise that Corbyn still lost and now claim the result was about Nick Timothy or something. Sure. All as clear as the Brexit strategy itself.


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    shereblue wrote:
    Gospel wrote:
    JM2K6 wrote:
    Gospel wrote:
    SamShark wrote:
    Luckily it's only on this thread that we discuss this. There's no debate, controversy or concern anywhere else - everyone is loving a bit of Brexit.

    People have moved on.

    :lol:

    The GE wasn't even fought on Brexit - as everyone thought it would be. Folk had moved on.


    Thanks to Gina Miller, the sovereignty of Parliament was re-established in the British Supreme Court. The fixed term parliament remained. Theresa Maybe swept this aside on the grounds that she and her team needed a strong negotiating hand. Every vote for her was to strengthen her hand as she specifically sought a Macron-like mandate.

    Revisionists emphasise that Corbyn still lost and now claim the result was about Nick Timothy or something. Sure. All as clear as the Brexit strategy itself.

    May / Timothy made the election about the Brexit negotiations. Corbyn made it about free things and came from a position of being dead and buried to wiping out the tory majority. The public seem to be in the mood for ideologies - status quo and strong and stable were the mantra of the referendum and GE but look how they turned out. May doubled down on Cameron's error.


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    Sherblue I don't think lives in the UK. The GE was not about Brexit. May had a HUGE lead (something like 20 points and at one stage it was the highest rating any UK PM ever got) until a few weeks in to the election but then the wheels came off their terrible campaign and Jezza managed to give away lots of free stuff (and held impressive rallies like all Marxists) to capture the hearts of the naive socialists, students, hippies, etc and closed the gap in a big way. As Gospel said, May wanted the GE to be about Brexit and who can best deliver but it didn't work out that way in the end. Lots of people who voted to to leave still voted for Labour.


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    SamShark wrote:
    Lowering standards in order to make Liam Fox happy is the will of the people. We lost, get over it.


    It is going to be very funny to see us "regain control" in certain areas then give away control to large corporations that we can't vote for etc...

    I look forward to us developing a prescription Opoid problem and drugging kids on mass in the American way. Though the Cornish pasty thing is funny considering the Brexit vote.


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    Those self same large corporations that were dead set against Brexit? Hmm.


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    Gospel wrote:
    shereblue wrote:
    Gospel wrote:
    JM2K6 wrote:
    :lol:

    The GE wasn't even fought on Brexit - as everyone thought it would be. Folk had moved on.


    Thanks to Gina Miller, the sovereignty of Parliament was re-established in the British Supreme Court. The fixed term parliament remained. Theresa Maybe swept this aside on the grounds that she and her team needed a strong negotiating hand. Every vote for her was to strengthen her hand as she specifically sought a Macron-like mandate.

    Revisionists emphasise that Corbyn still lost and now claim the result was about Nick Timothy or something. Sure. All as clear as the Brexit strategy itself.

    May / Timothy made the election about the Brexit negotiations. Corbyn made it about free things and came from a position of being dead and buried to wiping out the tory majority. The public seem to be in the mood for ideologies - status quo and strong and stable were the mantra of the referendum and GE but look how they turned out. May doubled down on Cameron's error.


    Free things for old people = fine. Free things for young people = buying votes etc....


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    Gospel wrote:
    Those self same large corporations that were dead set against Brexit? Hmm.


    Not all were. Ones reliant on access to European markets were opposed. Large American ones whinging about access to the UK would be delighted.


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    Petej wrote:
    Free things for old people = fine. Free things for young people = buying votes etc....

    Interesting. May went after the old with her poorly scoped dementia tax.


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    SamShark wrote:
    Lowering standards in order to make Liam Fox happy is the will of the people. WE LOST, GET OVER IT!!!*.

    Corrected.


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    Gospel wrote:
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    Free things for old people = fine. Free things for young people = buying votes etc....

    Interesting. May went after the old with her poorly scoped dementia tax.


    Poorly scoped yes but something that does need to be addressed (though now back to being brushed under the carpet). Another policy i agreed with was National Insurance payments between self-employed and employed being the same.

    I'm going to attack May a lot on here because by and large it is a pretty right wing board. There are no genuine Corbynista's on here to nail over his calculations. I know Labour has no Brexit policy beyond wait and see and Corbyn is a fuckwit. I have a lot of contempt for the vast majority of politicians (blame reading private eye).


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    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... ts-brexit/


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    rfurlong wrote:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/04/06/irish-shipping-bypass-british-ports-brexit/


    I like the idea but we will need more frequency to match anything we send via the UK. Think it will happen alright though.


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    Post it up , I won't pay for the telegraph any more.


    (Unless it's the ferry).


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    bimboman wrote:
    Post it up , I won't pay for the telegraph any more.


    (Unless it's the ferry).


    It’s not behind a paywall you cabbage


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    rfurlong wrote:
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    Post it up , I won't pay for the telegraph any more.


    (Unless it's the ferry).


    It’s not behind a paywall you cabbage



    Well I'm not registering with them either .....dick wad.

    Is it the ferry or something interesting ?


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    TranceNRG wrote:
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    No, it's we'll get out of the EU then the Conservative members will elect someone with their preferred vision for the future rather than a bunch of capitulating remainers dragging their feet.


    The only reason we are getting Brexit is because of May. There's no one else capable of uniting the party or the country. Boris or JRM won't get full support of the party and we all know Labour won't leave the EU.

    I agree to a degree, given her appeal to remainers while carrying out Brexit May has probably been the right person in order to get it over the line and that will be no mean achievement given the strength of opposition. But I don't think she is right beyond 2019 because imo she doesn't have a broader vision for Brexit Britain's future, and likely doesn't really believe in much in the way of divergence from existing EU policy. Personally not sure about JRM as PM, but I do think a leadership contest is inevitable, and that a Brexiteer will ultimately become PM.

    My post was a reply to Sefton's btw, for avoidance of doubt.


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