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Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 1:22 pm
by SamShark
Building a bridge or tunnel to Argentina could create jobs and enhance trade.

If a tunnel, could we go through the centre of the earth?

This is the sort of project Global Britain should be persuing.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 1:27 pm
by sewa
I like the tunnel idea but just be sure you don´t arrive in Nicaragua, the locals are using mortars as part of political demonstrations

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-44287034

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 2:46 pm
by shereblue
Caley_Red wrote:
shereblue wrote:
Caley_Red wrote:
sewa wrote:https://www.valuewalk.com/2014/10/argen ... s-history/

The eight defaults of Argentina, Bolivia has six, Brazil ten, Chile nine, Columbia seven, Costa Rica nine. Yes I think Boris is right, you will get rich trading with these golden realms (his ludicrous words not mine)
That's deliberately missing my point. Their history during the debt crisis is not reflective of their current strength, that is my point. I am not arguing that they have never defaulted.
You have to look at history (including recent history) before you start to talk of "current strength". The continent has enjoyed "current strength" countless times in the past. Of course there are opportunities out there but listening to the likes of Bojo introducing DT readers to a post imperial el dorado for the UK begs the question why the UK has not previously been trading there commensurately with its economic strength?
Primarily due to two key contributory factors which are going to change:

The removal of the tariffs imposed via the EU customs union will improve the relative terms of trade. That change will be fairly instantaneous once it happens.

The more gradual change will be the relative prosperity- some of the Americas are already upper middle income- as p/capita income rises, relative preference choices change. Britain is a majority service exporter- particularly financial and business services- countries need to reach a certain stage of development for thsee services to be demanded. Cheap manufactured goods from the Chinas and Vietnams of the world are demanded fairly early on in economic development by contrast.
As tariffs are removed and non-tariff barriers begin to fall (leading eventually to reciprocal standard acceptance) and incomes rise, the trade flows will rise with them.

As for Boris' superlatives, why not butter up a potential trading partner (even if you are over-egging it).
My question was why the UK, sharing exactly the same tariff regime as the rest of the EU members, had thus far been so relatively ineffectual trading with South America?

I accepted the opportunities in the S. American market from the outset. Tariff reductions post Brexit (if they ever do come about) could, imo, be exploited by the minority who have already invested time and money there.

Unfortunately, you choose to limit your vision with Eurosceptic flat earther orthodoxy. If you were consistent, you would not be in such negative denial of the Single Market all around the UK. An economic miracle by EU design.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 9:39 pm
by camroc1
Lifted shamelessly from a thread on politics.ie. The options open to the UK :
1) Ignore the referendum, withdraw Article 50.
Result:
- Britain remains in EU as is.
Problems:
- The EU may not accept withdrawal of Article 50 and Britain must reapply for membership
- Constitutional crisis as Parliament overrides referendum result

2) Rerun referendum, first vote overturned
Result:
- Britain remains in EU as is
Problems:
- The EU may not accept withdrawal of Article 50 and Britain must reapply for membership
- Referendum may not be voted before expiry of Article 50

3) Britain remains in Single Market and Customs Union
Result
- Britain subject to all existing EU authority and financial obligations
Problems:
- Britain with no say in running the EU
- Britain excluded from Single Market in services
- Britain subject to European Court of Justice
- Britain excluded from trade deals with third countries
- Britain obliged to accept free movement of EU citizens

4) Britain remains in Customs Union only, Northern Ireland also remains in Single Market
Result:
- British goods exempt from EU tariffs but subject to border inspection for compliance with Single Market regulations
Problems:
- Britain excluded from Single Market
- Britain subject to European Court of Justice
- Britain excluded from trade deals with third countries
- Customs border excludes British manufacturers participating in EU Just In Time supply chains
- Customs border between Great Britain and Northern Ireland

5) Britain leaves Customs Union and signs free trade deal with EU, Northern Ireland remains in Single Market and Customs Union
Result:
- British goods subject to border inspection for compliance with Single Market regulations and subject to tariffs and quotas for items not covered in free trade agreement.
Problems:
- Britain excluded from Single Market
- Some British goods subject to tariffs and not guaranteed access to EU market
- Customs border excludes British manufacturers participating in EU Just In Time supply chains
- Customs border between Great Britain and Northern Ireland
- Britain no longer covered by trade deals between EU and third countries and has to renegotiate trade deals with those third countries from a weaker bargaining position

6) Britain crashes out of EU with no deal
Result:
- Restricted access of British goods to EU markets and subject to tariffs and quotas in many sectors
Problems:
- EU blocks British membership of WTO until divorce bill is settled
- Britain excluded from all European agreements including aviation, research, security etc
- No transition period
- Britain no longer covered by trade deals between EU and third countries and has to renegotiate trade deals with those third countries from a weaker bargaining position
- British providers of goods and services forced to trade in almost every existing export market on the most unfavourable terms of any developed economy.
Not a pretty choice anywhere.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 10:48 pm
by Caley_Red
shereblue wrote: My question was why the UK, sharing exactly the same tariff regime as the rest of the EU members, had thus far been so relatively ineffectual trading with South America?

I accepted the opportunities in the S. American market from the outset. Tariff reductions post Brexit (if they ever do come about) could, imo, be exploited by the minority who have already invested time and money there.

Unfortunately, you choose to limit your vision with Eurosceptic flat earther orthodoxy. If you were consistent, you would not be in such negative denial of the Single Market all around the UK. An economic miracle by EU design.
You're coming across as a bit of an ideologue: no where have I denied the benefits of EU trade, in fact, I've gone to great lengths to state that South American trade will not replace EU trade.
To highlight the very obvious structural problems of the EU does not make me a 'eurosceptic flat earther', it's actually just being pragmatic to the choices the UK faces and how it wishes to deal with them.
I have already covered your question above, a large part is due to the composition of UK exports which require countries at a certain level of development and p/capita income. That will change.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 10:56 pm
by fishfoodie
So its a month to go till the deadline for a final resolution of the final status of the Border.

Does anyone have the remotest belief that the UK is going to deliver ?

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 11:06 pm
by SamShark
camroc1 wrote:Lifted shamelessly from a thread on politics.ie. The options open to the UK :
1) Ignore the referendum, withdraw Article 50.
Result:
- Britain remains in EU as is.
Problems:
- The EU may not accept withdrawal of Article 50 and Britain must reapply for membership
- Constitutional crisis as Parliament overrides referendum result

2) Rerun referendum, first vote overturned
Result:
- Britain remains in EU as is
Problems:
- The EU may not accept withdrawal of Article 50 and Britain must reapply for membership
- Referendum may not be voted before expiry of Article 50

3) Britain remains in Single Market and Customs Union
Result
- Britain subject to all existing EU authority and financial obligations
Problems:
- Britain with no say in running the EU
- Britain excluded from Single Market in services
- Britain subject to European Court of Justice
- Britain excluded from trade deals with third countries
- Britain obliged to accept free movement of EU citizens

4) Britain remains in Customs Union only, Northern Ireland also remains in Single Market
Result:
- British goods exempt from EU tariffs but subject to border inspection for compliance with Single Market regulations
Problems:
- Britain excluded from Single Market
- Britain subject to European Court of Justice
- Britain excluded from trade deals with third countries
- Customs border excludes British manufacturers participating in EU Just In Time supply chains
- Customs border between Great Britain and Northern Ireland

5) Britain leaves Customs Union and signs free trade deal with EU, Northern Ireland remains in Single Market and Customs Union
Result:
- British goods subject to border inspection for compliance with Single Market regulations and subject to tariffs and quotas for items not covered in free trade agreement.
Problems:
- Britain excluded from Single Market
- Some British goods subject to tariffs and not guaranteed access to EU market
- Customs border excludes British manufacturers participating in EU Just In Time supply chains
- Customs border between Great Britain and Northern Ireland
- Britain no longer covered by trade deals between EU and third countries and has to renegotiate trade deals with those third countries from a weaker bargaining position

6) Britain crashes out of EU with no deal
Result:
- Restricted access of British goods to EU markets and subject to tariffs and quotas in many sectors
Problems:
- EU blocks British membership of WTO until divorce bill is settled
- Britain excluded from all European agreements including aviation, research, security etc
- No transition period
- Britain no longer covered by trade deals between EU and third countries and has to renegotiate trade deals with those third countries from a weaker bargaining position
- British providers of goods and services forced to trade in almost every existing export market on the most unfavourable terms of any developed economy.
Not a pretty choice anywhere.
Who says we have to make a "choice"?

I thought we were just going to wait and hope something good happens.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 11:17 pm
by Gospel
EU blocks British membership of WTO until divorce bill is settled
Wut?
Britain no longer covered by trade deals between EU and third countries and has to renegotiate trade deals with those third countries from a weaker bargaining position
Apparently those agreements will continue as is - at least according to the government official who spent the last year negotiating them. Can't recall his twitter but it was all on there.

That entire no deal scenario reads like a load of bollocks to me. An Irish sauce though so no surprise.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 1:58 am
by bimboman
We are members of the WTO independently of. Our eu membership the EU can’t ban us from it. Stupid stupid article .

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 6:32 am
by Zico
fishfoodie wrote:So its a month to go till the deadline for a final resolution of the final status of the Border.

Does anyone have the remotest belief that the UK is going to deliver ?
Don't worry Mr. Kipling will sort everything out.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 6:54 am
by DragsterDriver
SamShark wrote:
camroc1 wrote:Lifted shamelessly from a thread on politics.ie. The options open to the UK :
1) Ignore the referendum, withdraw Article 50.
Result:
- Britain remains in EU as is.
Problems:
- The EU may not accept withdrawal of Article 50 and Britain must reapply for membership
- Constitutional crisis as Parliament overrides referendum result

2) Rerun referendum, first vote overturned
Result:
- Britain remains in EU as is
Problems:
- The EU may not accept withdrawal of Article 50 and Britain must reapply for membership
- Referendum may not be voted before expiry of Article 50

3) Britain remains in Single Market and Customs Union
Result
- Britain subject to all existing EU authority and financial obligations
Problems:
- Britain with no say in running the EU
- Britain excluded from Single Market in services
- Britain subject to European Court of Justice
- Britain excluded from trade deals with third countries
- Britain obliged to accept free movement of EU citizens

4) Britain remains in Customs Union only, Northern Ireland also remains in Single Market
Result:
- British goods exempt from EU tariffs but subject to border inspection for compliance with Single Market regulations
Problems:
- Britain excluded from Single Market
- Britain subject to European Court of Justice
- Britain excluded from trade deals with third countries
- Customs border excludes British manufacturers participating in EU Just In Time supply chains
- Customs border between Great Britain and Northern Ireland

5) Britain leaves Customs Union and signs free trade deal with EU, Northern Ireland remains in Single Market and Customs Union
Result:
- British goods subject to border inspection for compliance with Single Market regulations and subject to tariffs and quotas for items not covered in free trade agreement.
Problems:
- Britain excluded from Single Market
- Some British goods subject to tariffs and not guaranteed access to EU market
- Customs border excludes British manufacturers participating in EU Just In Time supply chains
- Customs border between Great Britain and Northern Ireland
- Britain no longer covered by trade deals between EU and third countries and has to renegotiate trade deals with those third countries from a weaker bargaining position

6) Britain crashes out of EU with no deal
Result:
- Restricted access of British goods to EU markets and subject to tariffs and quotas in many sectors
Problems:
- EU blocks British membership of WTO until divorce bill is settled
- Britain excluded from all European agreements including aviation, research, security etc
- No transition period
- Britain no longer covered by trade deals between EU and third countries and has to renegotiate trade deals with those third countries from a weaker bargaining position
- British providers of goods and services forced to trade in almost every existing export market on the most unfavourable terms of any developed economy.
Not a pretty choice anywhere.
Who says we have to make a "choice"?

I thought we were just going to wait and hope something good happens.
Yup, the Kate Bush.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 10:08 am
by camroc1
bimboman wrote:We are members of the WTO independently of. Our eu membership the EU can’t ban us from it. Stupid stupid article .
Really ?

https://www.ictsd.org/opinion/nothing-s ... ost-brexit

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 10:32 am
by DragsterDriver
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rade-plans

We can’t be banned from it- but the EU is making it as difficult as possible?

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 11:00 am
by bimboman
camroc1 wrote:
bimboman wrote:We are members of the WTO independently of. Our eu membership the EU can’t ban us from it. Stupid stupid article .
Really ?

https://www.ictsd.org/opinion/nothing-s ... ost-brexit

Yes you stupid c un this has been asked and answered dozens of times.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 2:01 pm
by sewa
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... nce-scheme

Theresa May’s appeal for a special Brexit deal on science and research collaboration, worth billions to the British economy, is being stonewalled by Brussels as it prepares to offer an arrangement less privileged and more expensive than that given to non-EU states such as Israel.

The European commission’s negotiators refused to discuss the issue in formal talks last week, instead insisting they would present the UK with conditions of entry for a “third country” into its €97.9bn research programme once they had been formally published.

A draft copy of the so-called Horizon Europe document, seen by the Guardian, suggests that the UK is set to be offered less generous access than countries with associate status in the current programme, known as Horizon 2020, including Israel, Turkey, Albania and Ukraine.


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Those states, along with countries in the European Free Trade Association (EFTA) – Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland – will be “associated to all programme parts” of the new research and science framework, of which details are to be published on 7 June, according to the leaked document.

It is understood that wealthy countries with a developed research and development capacity are to be offered a greater opportunity to pay in and collaborate with the EU under a reform of the current programme, which will end in 2020.

However, the UK is set to join Canada and South Korea in the category of countries that will have to pay a higher price for the privilege of collaborating, while being barred from a particular raft of programmes designed to encourage innovation.

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According to the draft paper, so-called “third countries” will not have a seat on the new European Innovation Council, which sets priorities, and their companies will not have the opportunity to apply for “fast, flexible grants and co-investments” designed to “bridge the ‘valley of death’ between research, commercialisation and the scaling-up of companies”.

Sources said it was additionally unclear what role the UK would have in shaping the priorities of Horizon Europe after Brexit, given it would no longer be a member state and would not be an EFTA member, acceding country, candidate country or potential candidate country.

The European commission’s proposals will need to be approved by the member states. A senior EU official said they were aware that the UK would seek to change the rules from within during negotiations over the bloc’s future budget, known as the multi-annual financial framework (MFF).

An EU official involved in the Brexit negotiations said of last week’s talks with the UK negotiators in Brussels: “We … had a discussion on science and technology where we said that from our point of view unfortunately this was slightly early as we are coming forward in early June with the proposals for the next generation of Horizon Europe, the successor to Horizon 2020, and these programmes will set out the conditions for third countries’ participation.


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“We would be happy to present that to the UK once that has been published. We take good note that the UK wants to maintain its role in shaping and priority setting of EU programmes in the future, and we also took very careful note of the announcement by the UK negotiators that they intend to use their part in the EU28 negotiations about the future MFF as an instrument to influence the definition of third country part rules in EU programmes.”

A UK paper published earlier this year noted that the country’s research institutions had been awarded 15% of all agreed funds under Horizon 2020, worth about €4bn (£3.5bn).

Last week a British presentation to the EU negotiators, who were led by Michel Barnier, argued for full access to Horizon Europe and said “as an associate country we would look to agree an appropriate level of influence on the shape of the programme. This should be greater than current non-EU precedents, recognising the quality and breadth of the UK’s contribution.”

Thomas Jørgensen, the senior policy coordinator at the European University Association (EUA) working on Brexit-related issues, said the commission was acting to protect its interests in the face of the emergence of the UK as a rival economic power.

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He said: “It is entirely understandable that you would want to help small countries in your neighbourhood, but why would you do that for small and medium-size enterprises in South Korea or other third countries such as the UK?

“The view from Brussels is that leaving the EU is the UK’s choice, it is their choice to be South Korea. If they say they want a special deal, that’s not going to work.”

Jørgensen said, however, that the scale of the UK’s research strength was such that it would inevitably have a large say in at least informal settings about the direction of the programmes.

He said: “There is elasticity. But if it comes down to a matter of principles, then that could be a problem.”

Diplomats attached to the member states suggested there were additional concerns about giving third countries access to sensitive research information. The UK is seeking an agreement to continue the flow of data between it and the rest of Europe, but a recent report on the country’s handling of personal information held on the Schengen Information System, designed to monitor the flow of people around Europe, has damaged that case.

An official paper, dated 18 May 2018 and seen by the Guardian, reveals that despite a 2015 evaluation finding serious deficiencies with the UK’s handling of personal data, a follow-up visit in 2017 had discovered that a range of recommendations had not been implemented.

The report notes that the EU’s inspectors had found that “very serious deficiencies in the legal, operational and technical implementation of SIS by the UK subsist”.

Among the issues that caused concern was the discovery that UK officials had been copying personal data and sharing it with US contractors working for its immigration services and the border police. Some of that information was found to be out of date as well, raising the potential of people being unfairly flagged as they passed through the UK’s borders.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 2:59 pm
by camroc1
bimboman wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
bimboman wrote:We are members of the WTO independently of. Our eu membership the EU can’t ban us from it. Stupid stupid article .
Really ?

https://www.ictsd.org/opinion/nothing-s ... ost-brexit

Yes you stupid c un this has been asked and answered dozens of times.
Ah yes, yet another subject about which Bimbo knows more than the experts !

What a man.

Pity his Tourettes isn't improving though.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 4:17 pm
by bimboman
camroc1 wrote:
bimboman wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
bimboman wrote:We are members of the WTO independently of. Our eu membership the EU can’t ban us from it. Stupid stupid article .
Really ?

https://www.ictsd.org/opinion/nothing-s ... ost-brexit

Yes you stupid c un this has been asked and answered dozens of times.
Ah yes, yet another subject about which Bimbo knows more than the experts !

What a man.

Pity his Tourettes isn't improving though.

It isn't Tourette's, I use googles new automated word choice.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 1:08 pm
by La soule
Interesting data on EU protectionism.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-44291103

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 1:22 pm
by SamShark
Negotiations continue - with ourselves - in a way that ensures nobody can quite tell what's on the table.
Theresa May is facing renewed pressure to listen to moderate voices within her party over Brexit after three former cabinet ministers lobbied the prime minister at No 10 to seek a “sensible” deal for leaving the EU.

May met Amber Rudd, Justine Greening and Damian Green at Downing Street on Wednesday, and they told her the majority of Conservative MPs wanted a compromise deal with the EU.

Rudd, who stepped down as home secretary last month, Greening, the former education secretary, and Green, previously May’s de facto deputy, urged the prime minister to ignore extreme minorities on either side of the debate.

The former ministers have held informal talks with Tory MPs of various views to try to create a consensus for a “pragmatic approach” to the issue, the Times reported.

udd told the paper: “That’s where the vast majority of the party is. We just haven’t been as shouty. We wanted to tell the prime minister what lots of MPs are telling us: sensible Brexit please.”

The details of what a “sensible Brexit” might mean remain unclear, although Rudd said it would not involve the UK staying in the customs union

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 5:20 pm
by Gospel
Where sensible from their perspective means staying in the customs union whilst remaining bound by single market rules and regulations. Or Brexit in name only as it's otherwise known. How that is considered to be a pragmatic approach I have no idea.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 5:26 pm
by SamShark
Gospel wrote:Where sensible from their perspective means staying in the customs union whilst remaining bound by single market rules and regulations. Or Brexit in name only as it's otherwise known. How that is considered to be a pragmatic approach I have no idea.
Well, it would be one approach but "Rudd said it would not involve the UK staying in the customs union"

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 5:33 pm
by Gospel
SamShark wrote:
Gospel wrote:Where sensible from their perspective means staying in the customs union whilst remaining bound by single market rules and regulations. Or Brexit in name only as it's otherwise known. How that is considered to be a pragmatic approach I have no idea.
Well, it would be one approach but "Rudd said it would not involve the UK staying in the customs union"
Ultimately I think they're just doing their upmost to avoid making a deeply unpopular decision one way or t'other. The EU slammed the door on anything that doesn't require the UK to remain fully aligned so we either take it or leave it.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 5:33 pm
by SamShark
Nigel Lawson, a former chair of the Vote Leave campaign during the EU referendum and one of tens of thousands of Britons living in France, is to apply for his official French residency card.

The former chancellor said he had started the process of applying for one of the cards, known as a carte de séjour, which British expatriates are being encouraged to obtain to help bolster their rights after the UK withdraws from the EU

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 5:36 pm
by fishfoodie
SamShark wrote:
Nigel Lawson, a former chair of the Vote Leave campaign during the EU referendum and one of tens of thousands of Britons living in France, is to apply for his official French residency card.

The former chancellor said he had started the process of applying for one of the cards, known as a carte de séjour, which British expatriates are being encouraged to obtain to help bolster their rights after the UK withdraws from the EU
Nigel know where the 'Sunlit Uplands', are, & it's not in the UK

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 5:41 pm
by DragsterDriver
Can’t see the drama tbh- he lives in France so it makes sense.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 5:56 pm
by bimboman
SamShark wrote:
Nigel Lawson, a former chair of the Vote Leave campaign during the EU referendum and one of tens of thousands of Britons living in France, is to apply for his official French residency card.

The former chancellor said he had started the process of applying for one of the cards, known as a carte de séjour, which British expatriates are being encouraged to obtain to help bolster their rights after the UK withdraws from the EU

Residency cards, sounds very complex, I thought you lost turned up and were given stuff.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 6:01 pm
by Gospel
fishfoodie wrote:
SamShark wrote:
Nigel Lawson, a former chair of the Vote Leave campaign during the EU referendum and one of tens of thousands of Britons living in France, is to apply for his official French residency card.

The former chancellor said he had started the process of applying for one of the cards, known as a carte de séjour, which British expatriates are being encouraged to obtain to help bolster their rights after the UK withdraws from the EU
Nigel know where the 'Sunlit Uplands', are, & it's not in the UK
Then WTF are they all clamouring to cross the Channel then?

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 7:39 pm
by TranceNRG
EU plums calling USA protectionist over it's tariffs has to be one of the most ironic things I've read in a while. What a hypocritical and shambolic organisation.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:11 am
by shereblue
TranceNRG wrote:EU plums calling USA protectionist over it's tariffs has to be one of the most ironic things I've read in a while. What a hypocritical and shambolic organisation.
Talking of hypocritical plums, you do know that average tarrifs in Aus are a lot higher than in the EU?

Bloody tarrif refugees coming to the EU and then dissing it :x

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:20 am
by shereblue
Gospel wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:
SamShark wrote:
Nigel Lawson, a former chair of the Vote Leave campaign during the EU referendum and one of tens of thousands of Britons living in France, is to apply for his official French residency card.

The former chancellor said he had started the process of applying for one of the cards, known as a carte de séjour, which British expatriates are being encouraged to obtain to help bolster their rights after the UK withdraws from the EU
Nigel know where the 'Sunlit Uplands', are, & it's not in the UK
Then WTF are they all clamouring to cross the Channel then?
;) to show solidarity with the UK over its skills shortages in medicine, banking and cuisine

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:13 am
by Zico
TranceNRG wrote:EU plums calling USA protectionist over it's tariffs has to be one of the most ironic things I've read in a while. What a hypocritical and shambolic organisation.
An immigrant insulting the generous community that gave him a new life. :uhoh:

Maybe the Brexiters have a point about immigration. ;)

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:57 am
by I like haggis
TranceNRG wrote:EU plums calling USA protectionist over it's tariffs has to be one of the most ironic things I've read in a while. What a hypocritical and shambolic organisation.
Don't worry Trance. The USA love us, they'll give us a great deal. Liam Fox is on the case. It'll all be fine!

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:21 am
by sewa
SamShark wrote:
Nigel Lawson, a former chair of the Vote Leave campaign during the EU referendum and one of tens of thousands of Britons living in France, is to apply for his official French residency card.

The former chancellor said he had started the process of applying for one of the cards, known as a carte de séjour, which British expatriates are being encouraged to obtain to help bolster their rights after the UK withdraws from the EU
What a two faced bollix, if he wants his beloved UK to leave the EU so much why doesn´t he do likewise. Go back to the colonies you uber prick

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:31 am
by SaintK
I like haggis wrote:
TranceNRG wrote:EU plums calling USA protectionist over it's tariffs has to be one of the most ironic things I've read in a while. What a hypocritical and shambolic organisation.
Don't worry Trance. The USA love us, they'll give us a great deal. Liam Fox is on the case. It'll all be fine!
The only thing that useless plum appears to be doing is collecting air miles.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:39 am
by La soule
TranceNRG wrote:EU plums calling USA protectionist over it's tariffs has to be one of the most ironic things I've read in a while. What a hypocritical and shambolic organisation.
Did you read the article I posted on this very same page before spouting more bollocks?

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:46 am
by I like haggis
SaintK wrote:
I like haggis wrote:
TranceNRG wrote:EU plums calling USA protectionist over it's tariffs has to be one of the most ironic things I've read in a while. What a hypocritical and shambolic organisation.
Don't worry Trance. The USA love us, they'll give us a great deal. Liam Fox is on the case. It'll all be fine!
The only thing that useless plum appears to be doing is collecting air miles.
Exactly, putting pennies in British Airways pocket. Excellent work showing what a good brand they are ;)

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:48 am
by I like haggis
Tom Newton Dunn in the Sun claims that David Davis new master plan is keeping NI in the EU and UK.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:54 am
by camroc1
I like haggis wrote:Tom Newton Dunn in the Sun claims that David Davis new master plan is keeping NI in the EU and UK.
Effectively donating a 10 mile wide by 300 mile long border strip to Ireland.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/b ... -1.3516051

A non-runner of course, as I'm pretty sure Arlenes house lies within the zone. :lol: :lol:

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:58 am
by MungoMan
shereblue wrote:
TranceNRG wrote:EU plums calling USA protectionist over it's tariffs has to be one of the most ironic things I've read in a while. What a hypocritical and shambolic organisation.
Talking of hypocritical plums, you do know that average tarrifs in Aus are a lot higher than in the EU?
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Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:03 am
by Rugby2023
camroc1 wrote:An interesting piece on Barniers weekend speech in Lisbon.

Hard Brexit here we come.

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86883
:roll: The EU is already tearing itself to pieces internally, it also now has Trump on its back. Forgoing the UK budget money is a fantasy.