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Jake wrote:

ChipSpike wrote:"Even the most ardent leavetard can not argue against the stupidity of Brexit "

Down with this sort of thing.

Why? It’s a fact.

It's not. I can argue that that Brexit is the right decision.

Jake wrote:

ChipSpike wrote:"Even the most ardent leavetard can not argue against the stupidity of Brexit "

Down with this sort of thing.

Why? It’s a fact.

It's not. I can argue that that Brexit is the right decision.

bimboman wrote:

SamShark wrote:He doesn't come out of it looking too great.

One of his colleagues resigned from the Government in order to vote for the amendment, followed through twice, and Grieve has "compromised" twice, and afterwards both times been told "actually there are no concessions, so screw you".

Maybe he just gets off on procedure and amendments and shit.

Phillip lee abstained the first time. The wets are exactly that wet.

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I just got asked to interview for my first Brexit preparation job in Belgium. Seems the companies are starting to modify their IT systems to be ready for the crash out date

sewa wrote:I just got asked to interview for my first Brexit preparation job in Belgium. Seems the companies are starting to modify their IT systems to be ready for the crash out date

in what way are they modifying them?

DragsterDriver wrote:

sewa wrote:I just got asked to interview for my first Brexit preparation job in Belgium. Seems the companies are starting to modify their IT systems to be ready for the crash out date

in what way are they modifying them?

I declined the interview so I don´t have the details. I imagine however that they are preparing for additional documentation to be prepared for deliveries in their ERP platforms

Edit, also taxes and tariffs will need to be calculated

DragsterDriver wrote:

sewa wrote:I just got asked to interview for my first Brexit preparation job in Belgium. Seems the companies are starting to modify their IT systems to be ready for the crash out date

in what way are they modifying them?

Automatic rejections of British applications innit

They are also deleting all their memes.

We don't have to

sewa wrote:

DragsterDriver wrote:

sewa wrote:I just got asked to interview for my first Brexit preparation job in Belgium. Seems the companies are starting to modify their IT systems to be ready for the crash out date

in what way are they modifying them?

I declined the interview so I don´t have the details. I imagine however that they are preparing for additional documentation to be prepared for deliveries in their ERP platforms

Edit, also taxes and tariffs will need to be calculated

Taxes have to calculated currently, the tarif will be new on UK trade only.

bimboman wrote:

sewa wrote:

DragsterDriver wrote:

sewa wrote:I just got asked to interview for my first Brexit preparation job in Belgium. Seems the companies are starting to modify their IT systems to be ready for the crash out date

in what way are they modifying them?

I declined the interview so I don´t have the details. I imagine however that they are preparing for additional documentation to be prepared for deliveries in their ERP platforms

Edit, also taxes and tariffs will need to be calculated

Taxes have to calculated currently, the tarif will be new on UK trade only.

Do you have an actual point?

sewa wrote:

bimboman wrote:

sewa wrote:

DragsterDriver wrote:

sewa wrote:I just got asked to interview for my first Brexit preparation job in Belgium. Seems the companies are starting to modify their IT systems to be ready for the crash out date

in what way are they modifying them?

I declined the interview so I don´t have the details. I imagine however that they are preparing for additional documentation to be prepared for deliveries in their ERP platforms

Edit, also taxes and tariffs will need to be calculated

Taxes have to calculated currently, the tarif will be new on UK trade only.

Do you have an actual point?

Well yes, your point as always was f ucking wrong.

It is possible for most people to have a discussion without resorting to pointless profanities, you seem somewhat incapable of it however

sewa wrote:It is possible for most people to have a discussion without resorting to pointless profanities, you seem somewhat incapable of it however

Normal emphasis doesn’t work with you.

BH Cammy wrote:https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/97752 ... Withdrawal

The top Eurocrat started off his speech joking he was struggling to work because of back problems.

Addressing members of both houses, Mr Juncker said: "Mr Speaker, Taoiseach and other members, I have some difficulties to work.

"I’m not drunk, I have sciatica. I’d prefer to be drunk."

Juncker tries to endear himself to the Irish political elite. It gives a nice insight how Irish MEPs must be viewed in Brussels. The EU are now on a charm offensive as they Irish government serve as useful idiots in the efforts it disrupt Brexit.

Either way the EU will come for their corporation tax no matter how much the Irish government think playing lapdog will work in their favor.

Dozyer girlfriend have a sideways growler ?

SamShark wrote:They are also deleting all their memes.

We don't have to

That's my red line in negotiations.

bimboman wrote:

SamShark wrote:

They're both bright if compared to Angela Rayner or Diane Abbot. , what do you reckon ?

Well, as someone said the other day, as a black woman from a bog standard background it seems more impressive to get an Oxbridge 2.1 than it is for Eton educated toff, Boris.

I'm no fan of Abbot just to be clear, and her media skills are pretty terrible. As are Boris's, who can't or won't get up to speed on anything complex, and relies on playing silly games.

Just to add, again not in any particular defence of Angela Rayner or Diane Abbot who I don't particularly give a shit about, Rayner and Abbot aren't regularly referred to as "incredibly intelligent" as a way to bat off criticism of their fudge ups

Still no wiser regarding a comparison. How about Jezza himself then ?

If you are incapable of acknowledging when you're ever wrong, I don't really see how you can expect to acquire wisdom.

2 stories and the picture aren't linked.

The two things that leap out at me are-

I’d love to be a fruit picker just don’t think the money is high enough for my outgoings.

It seems to say Airbus *could* pull out in the event of a hard brexit? As talks ramp up I would imagine everything will become weaponised. Tbf it will be hard for them when all of our planes are grounded /cammy.

Actually- where is cammy with this news? Holiday? Dead? I’d have thought he’d be pulling himself inside out.

paddyor wrote:

2 stories and the picture aren't linked.

Well, the two stories might be construed as negative (although not to DD) but the photo shows a prosperous vista.

It seems really obvious/inevitable that a no deal Brexit would be a disaster for businesses.

This is why I find it so odd that the likes of Liam Fox glorify it as some sort of bargaining tool.

Of course no deal affects/disadvantages everyone, but primarily us.

It seems so utterly stupid you can only assume that there's an element of truth to the idea that some Brexiters know full well it would be a complete disaster, but welcome it and see it as a way to fundamentally re-shape society, slash regulation, tax etc.

It's certainly one way of picking up the pieces, but all those "real people" who voted leave may not have been expecting it.

SamShark wrote:It seems really obvious/inevitable that a no deal Brexit would be a disaster for businesses.

This is why I find it so odd that the likes of Liam Fox glorify it as some sort of bargaining tool.

Of course no deal affects/disadvantages everyone, but primarily us.

It seems so utterly stupid you can only assume that there's an element of truth to the idea that some Brexiters know full well it would be a complete disaster, but welcome it and see it as a way to fundamentally re-shape society, slash regulation, tax etc.

It's certainly one way of picking up the pieces, but all those "real people" who voted leave may not have been expecting it.

In a negotiation you need that option, and stupid enough people to carry it out. It would fück everybody so it's not the worst chip on the table.

DragsterDriver wrote:The two things that leap out at me are-

I’d love to be a fruit picker just don’t think the money is high enough for my outgoings.

It seems to say Airbus *could* pull out in the event of a hard brexit? As talks ramp up I would imagine everything will become weaponised. Tbf it will be hard for them when all of our planes are grounded /cammy.

Actually- where is cammy with this news? Holiday? Dead? I’d have thought he’d be pulling himself inside out.

Pretty much. If they were going to pull out they'd just do it, instead they're trying to influence negotiations. There will be much more of this b/s in the coming months.

SamShark wrote:It seems really obvious/inevitable that a no deal Brexit would be a disaster for businesses.

This is why I find it so odd that the likes of Liam Fox glorify it as some sort of bargaining tool.

Of course no deal affects/disadvantages everyone, but primarily us.

It seems so utterly stupid you can only assume that there's an element of truth to the idea that some Brexiters know full well it would be a complete disaster, but welcome it and see it as a way to fundamentally re-shape society, slash regulation, tax etc.

It's certainly one way of picking up the pieces, but all those "real people" who voted leave may not have been expecting it.

Aerospace and manufacturing will be gutted in the UK by the rees-mogg dream. Might be a drawn out demise but lack of investment, productivity drops then move out.

As the "will of the people" appears to be the only argument left for Brexit, you have to ask whether anyone voted to be "f**ked".

The incredibly depressing thing about all of this is we've been watching/bickering over the goings on in the Commons, despite knowing that these are still all somewhat irrelevant as it's simply "negotiating" with ourselves.

Time is ticking and WE.....us, the UK, are backing ourselves into a corner leaving only time for a bad deal or no deal.

This is not what people voted for and no matter how many times Brexit supporting ministers say it, it's not true. Blame remainers, blame the left, blame the EU, blame May, but that will never make it true that people voted to crash out with nothing.

SamShark wrote:As the "will of the people" appears to be the only argument left for Brexit, you have to ask whether anyone voted to be "f**ked".

The incredibly depressing thing about all of this is we've been watching/bickering over the goings on in the Commons, despite knowing that these are still all somewhat irrelevant as it's simply "negotiating" with ourselves.

Time is ticking and WE.....us, the UK, are backing ourselves into a corner leaving only time for a bad deal or no deal.

This is not what people voted for and no matter how many times Brexit supporting ministers say it, it's not true. Blame remainers, blame the left, blame the EU, blame May, but that will never make it true that people voted to crash out with nothing.

It's not what remainers voted for, but they lost the vote. No-deal is more popular than transition amongst leavers. However, it won't be no-deal, because the EU (if it's still around) cannot afford it on any level.

Rugby2023 wrote:

DragsterDriver wrote:The two things that leap out at me are-

I’d love to be a fruit picker just don’t think the money is high enough for my outgoings.

It seems to say Airbus *could* pull out in the event of a hard brexit? As talks ramp up I would imagine everything will become weaponised. Tbf it will be hard for them when all of our planes are grounded /cammy.

Actually- where is cammy with this news? Holiday? Dead? I’d have thought he’d be pulling himself inside out.

Pretty much. If they were going to pull out they'd just do it, instead they're trying to influence negotiations. There will be much more of this b/s in the coming months.

Nobody doubts this - of course they are trying to influence. Why is it b/s to fear either no deal at all or a "deal" which throws up loads of admin and barriers to trade/supply?

This sort of thing has to be refuted or calmed with somthing better than "shut it, project fear"

Rugby2023 wrote:

DragsterDriver wrote:The two things that leap out at me are-

I’d love to be a fruit picker just don’t think the money is high enough for my outgoings.

It seems to say Airbus *could* pull out in the event of a hard brexit? As talks ramp up I would imagine everything will become weaponised. Tbf it will be hard for them when all of our planes are grounded /cammy.

Actually- where is cammy with this news? Holiday? Dead? I’d have thought he’d be pulling himself inside out.

Pretty much. If they were going to pull out they'd just do it, instead they're trying to influence negotiations. There will be much more of this b/s in the coming months.

Isn't Galileo another Airbus project?

The problem the UK has is that when it makes threats in return people piss their pants, they should be able to say fine- No access to GCHQ info for '3rd countries' etc. Fight bullshit with bullshit.



Sam-

We're leaving, at some point you need to get over yourself and see it for what it is- negotiating a divorce settlement.

Rugby2023 wrote:

SamShark wrote:As the "will of the people" appears to be the only argument left for Brexit, you have to ask whether anyone voted to be "f**ked".

The incredibly depressing thing about all of this is we've been watching/bickering over the goings on in the Commons, despite knowing that these are still all somewhat irrelevant as it's simply "negotiating" with ourselves.

Time is ticking and WE.....us, the UK, are backing ourselves into a corner leaving only time for a bad deal or no deal.

This is not what people voted for and no matter how many times Brexit supporting ministers say it, it's not true. Blame remainers, blame the left, blame the EU, blame May, but that will never make it true that people voted to crash out with nothing.

It's not what remainers voted for, but they lost the vote. No-deal is more popular than transition amongst leavers. However, it won't be no-deal, because the EU (if it's still around) cannot afford it on any level.

In fairness, I can't claim categorically that people didn't vote for "no deal".

Neither can you claim that "no deal" is popular.

I feel reasonably comfortable that the weight of evidence suggests that no deal wasn't even on the table as an option to vote for, and any examination of it's consequences would not be a vote winner.

SamShark wrote:

Rugby2023 wrote:

SamShark wrote:As the "will of the people" appears to be the only argument left for Brexit, you have to ask whether anyone voted to be "f**ked".

The incredibly depressing thing about all of this is we've been watching/bickering over the goings on in the Commons, despite knowing that these are still all somewhat irrelevant as it's simply "negotiating" with ourselves.

Time is ticking and WE.....us, the UK, are backing ourselves into a corner leaving only time for a bad deal or no deal.

This is not what people voted for and no matter how many times Brexit supporting ministers say it, it's not true. Blame remainers, blame the left, blame the EU, blame May, but that will never make it true that people voted to crash out with nothing.

It's not what remainers voted for, but they lost the vote. No-deal is more popular than transition amongst leavers. However, it won't be no-deal, because the EU (if it's still around) cannot afford it on any level.

In fairness, I can't claim that people didn't vote for "no deal".

Neither can you claim that "no deal" is popular.

I feel reasonably comfortable that the weight of evidence suggests that no deal wasn't even on the table as an option to vote for, and any examination of it's consequences would not be a vote winner.

So you would just take whatever the EU offered and thank them kindly?

SamShark wrote:Nobody doubts this - of course they are trying to influence. Why is it b/s to fear either no deal at all or a "deal" which throws up loads of admin and barriers to trade/supply?

This sort of thing has to be refuted or calmed with somthing better than "shut it, project fear"

It's not going to happen because if it does the EU don't get their budget money (an automatic crisis), millions of jobs are lost across Europe, thousands of EU businesses hit the wall and given WTO they'd be facing the prospect of high tariffs, when they're already spooked by Trump.

They EU is barely keeping its own show on the road, they're at crisis point right now.

No deal or a shitty deal should never be all we're left with and the reason it's being pitched as the only possibly trajectory now is that ideologues on both sides are steering the ship.

Rugby2023 wrote:

SamShark wrote:Nobody doubts this - of course they are trying to influence. Why is it b/s to fear either no deal at all or a "deal" which throws up loads of admin and barriers to trade/supply?

This sort of thing has to be refuted or calmed with somthing better than "shut it, project fear"

It's not going to happen because if it does the EU don't get their budget money (an automatic crisis), millions of jobs are lost across Europe, thousands of EU businesses hit the wall and given WTO they'd be facing the prospect of high tariffs, when they're already spooked by Trump.

They EU is barely keeping its own show on the road, they're at crisis point right now.

And while this game of ideological chicken plays out, the likes of Airbus worry.

It doesn't seem like b/s, it's quite worrying when politicians on an ideological mission throw around "no deal" with no regard for the consequences.

SamShark wrote:In fairness, I can't claim categorically that people didn't vote for "no deal".

Neither can you claim that "no deal" is popular.

I feel reasonably comfortable that the weight of evidence suggests that no deal wasn't even on the table as an option to vote for, and any examination of it's consequences would not be a vote winner.

I said it was more popular than transition.

In fact, there is support for leaving the EU with no deal. More voters opted for that outcome (37%) than the alternatives of entering a transition period where we remain in the EU single market until we can negotiate a satisfactory deal (25%), or abandoning Brexit altogether (23%).

62% of Leave voters back exiting without a deal, as do 13% of Remain voters.

I see the idea of a few trade tarifs are causing the bed setters to panic this morning.

DragsterDriver wrote:The two things that leap out at me are-

I’d love to be a fruit picker just don’t think the money is high enough for my outgoings.

It seems to say Airbus *could* pull out in the event of a hard brexit? As talks ramp up I would imagine everything will become weaponised. Tbf it will be hard for them when all of our planes are grounded /cammy.

Actually- where is cammy with this news? Holiday? Dead? I’d have thought he’d be pulling himself inside out.

Really it's f**kin physically tough, monotonous and eventually tedious as hell...

I suspect you've never worked in a field or orchard.

SamShark wrote:No deal or a shitty deal should never be all we're left with and the reason it's being pitched as the only possibly trajectory now is that ideologues on both sides are steering the ship.

What deal would you accept then Sam? The EU aren’t negotiating in good faith, they will screw the U.K. as best they can. To expect any less is a bit daft.

clementinfrance wrote:

DragsterDriver wrote:The two things that leap out at me are-

I’d love to be a fruit picker just don’t think the money is high enough for my outgoings.

It seems to say Airbus *could* pull out in the event of a hard brexit? As talks ramp up I would imagine everything will become weaponised. Tbf it will be hard for them when all of our planes are grounded /cammy.

Actually- where is cammy with this news? Holiday? Dead? I’d have thought he’d be pulling himself inside out.

Really it's f**kin physically tough, monotonous and eventually tedious as hell...

I suspect you've never worked in a field or orchard.

I’m about to barrow 20 tonnes of hardcore around the back of a house in the baking heat. Being the internet I expect you’ll come back that you’re about to perform a self circumcision with a rusty pen knife.

DragsterDriver wrote:

SamShark wrote:No deal or a shitty deal should never be all we're left with and the reason it's being pitched as the only possibly trajectory now is that ideologues on both sides are steering the ship.

What deal would you accept then Sam? The EU aren’t negotiating in good faith, they will screw the U.K. as best they can. To expect any less is a bit daft.

I think we're in agreement there.

I'm afraid it's a Brexiter argument that the EU will back down and do the easiest ever deal. Remainers knew it would be exceptionally hard to deal with both political and practical realities.

I'd rather not leave the EU, but in the face of reality (reality predicted before the referendum and described as "project fear") I'd suggest dropping some red lines.

If at this stage it's obvious there's complete lack of clarity as to WTF to do, we should ask the public again and they can chose between no deal, "the" deal, and remain. Seems logical to me, though fully acknowledge that I'm a horrible anti-democratic bastard that just doesn't understand real people and that Brexit means Brexit.

DragsterDriver wrote:

clementinfrance wrote:

DragsterDriver wrote:The two things that leap out at me are-

I’d love to be a fruit picker just don’t think the money is high enough for my outgoings.

It seems to say Airbus *could* pull out in the event of a hard brexit? As talks ramp up I would imagine everything will become weaponised. Tbf it will be hard for them when all of our planes are grounded /cammy.

Actually- where is cammy with this news? Holiday? Dead? I’d have thought he’d be pulling himself inside out.

Really it's f**kin physically tough, monotonous and eventually tedious as hell...

I suspect you've never worked in a field or orchard.

I’m about to barrow 20 tonnes of hardcore around the back of a house in the baking heat. Being the internet I expect you’ll come back that you’re about to perform a self circumcision with a rusty pen knife.

I'm aware you're a builder.

I'd pick your job, which does vary a little from day to day or week to week over fruit picking. No contest.