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fishfoodie wrote:

DragsterDriver wrote:

fishfoodie wrote:
They probably didn't paint themselves into a corner with hundreds of publicly declared "red-lines"; before they even started negotiations.

They were also dealing with a rational actor when they negotiated their Trade relationship with the US; would you say that the current US Administration is better, or worse to negotiate with than previous ones ?

I have visited the google, and return with this:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1IP2UM

So, currently negotiating with an irrational actor, And I believe Macron didn’t set the world alight on his visit over the pond?

Thanks for locating an article that proves my point

After four years of negotiations, & years more of preparation; a fuckwit gets elected, & shits all over the previous work, & leaves the experts scrambling to save whatever they can.

camroc1 wrote:

DragsterDriver wrote:

camroc1 wrote:

DragsterDriver wrote:

I like haggis wrote:Call me crazy but it's almost as if the EU has agreements for this kind of cross border trade and supply chain arrangements in place with the US and China and the UK doesn't unless it's through the EU which it is leaving....

Amazing intelligent people (and bimbo) pretend to not understand this.

It doesn’t seem a massive leap for the Eu and U.K. to trade, if they can manage it with China?

You've told the EU to 'fúck off we're leaving', and refuse to negotiate seriously on trading with the EU after the end of March next year beyond vacuous and ridiculous 'cake and eat it' demands.

The return of the scorned wife narrative. Spite won’t pay the bills

The EU is waiting for the UKs proposals.

shereblue wrote:Alright for you.


I don't think this Brexit fudge up over "principle" is so funny.

DragsterDriver wrote:

Petej wrote:
But the wife gets the car and house and the prenuptial/article 51* screws us

*possibly gets the payout, depending on how shitty she is over access

DragsterDriver wrote:

I like haggis wrote:Call me crazy but it's almost as if the EU has agreements for this kind of cross border trade and supply chain arrangements in place with the US and China and the UK doesn't unless it's through the EU which it is leaving....

Amazing intelligent people (and bimbo) pretend to not understand this.

It doesn’t seem a massive leap for the Eu and U.K. to trade, if they can manage it with China?

We want cake, and we want to eat it.

ukjim wrote:

Gospel wrote:"No-deal" is very much off the table. It's an empty threat as the UK Government have made sod all preparation for such an outcome.

not true at all.

Gospel wrote:

Leffe wrote:

Gospel wrote:

Leffe wrote:Bimbo, Brexiteers wanted less regulation. Fine, you can have less, but it means that you cannot so easily sell to the EU. They're considering moving out to the US or China, as they currently know what they're dealing with. Post-Brexit, no one understands what the EU/UK relationship will be. It's just supply chain management.

Daft sod. Goods bound for the EU will always be fully compliant just as they are in every other third country that exports to the EU.

That has a trade agreement. Manufacturing standards are harmonised within the EU, and formally agreed by trade agreement with parties outside the EU. So the UK must now have a trade agreement.

You don't need a trade agreement to export you idiot. You just need to be compliant or do you think the US, Japan, China et al don't do business in the EU?

DragsterDriver wrote:We want cake, and we want to eat it.

Leffe wrote:Compliant with the red tape or the "too many rules" that the Brexiteers wanted removing? I'm not seeing at this moment, the value in leaving... all I'm seeing is that we leave, have no say in the rules yet need to apply them.

When calling people idiots, you're gonna need to look more closely at the Brexit types.

Gospel wrote:

Leffe wrote:Compliant with the red tape or the "too many rules" that the Brexiteers wanted removing? I'm not seeing at this moment, the value in leaving... all I'm seeing is that we leave, have no say in the rules yet need to apply them.

When calling people idiots, you're gonna need to look more closely at the Brexit types.

You're being an idiot. Every country in the world has to meet the import regulations of the territory they're exporting to. That's how international trade works. It doesn't mean that your own domestic market has to follow suit though. This is simple stuff.

Gospel wrote:

Leffe wrote:Compliant with the red tape or the "too many rules" that the Brexiteers wanted removing? I'm not seeing at this moment, the value in leaving... all I'm seeing is that we leave, have no say in the rules yet need to apply them.

When calling people idiots, you're gonna need to look more closely at the Brexit types.

You're being an idiot. Every country in the world has to meet the import regulations of the territory they're exporting to. That's how international trade works. It doesn't mean that your own domestic market has to follow suit though. This is simple stuff.

Petej wrote:

Gospel wrote:

Leffe wrote:Compliant with the red tape or the "too many rules" that the Brexiteers wanted removing? I'm not seeing at this moment, the value in leaving... all I'm seeing is that we leave, have no say in the rules yet need to apply them.

When calling people idiots, you're gonna need to look more closely at the Brexit types.

You're being an idiot. Every country in the world has to meet the import regulations of the territory they're exporting to. That's how international trade works. It doesn't mean that your own domestic market has to follow suit though. This is simple stuff.

Considering our domestic market is small and about 50% of our export goods go to the EU there probably is very little to be gained in modifying our domestic market away from that of the large trade block on our doorstep.

Leffe wrote:

Gospel wrote:

Leffe wrote:Compliant with the red tape or the "too many rules" that the Brexiteers wanted removing? I'm not seeing at this moment, the value in leaving... all I'm seeing is that we leave, have no say in the rules yet need to apply them.

When calling people idiots, you're gonna need to look more closely at the Brexit types.

You're being an idiot. Every country in the world has to meet the import regulations of the territory they're exporting to. That's how international trade works. It doesn't mean that your own domestic market has to follow suit though. This is simple stuff.

You're expecting somehow that the internal market in the UK is large enough to warrant 2 different manufacturing standards for say cars? Or it's just easier and therefore cheaper to manufacture everything to the EU standard.

Tricky stuff.

Rugby2023 wrote:

Gospel wrote:It's not just a MSM narrative. Hammond wouldn't release the funds necessary to make it remotely viable because he doesn't believe in a no-deal. It's an empty threat.

Wasn't quite saying that, I was pointing out what's in the media doesn't tie up with the substance of what those charged with the task have been saying.

Last week former ERG Brexiteer and "Minister for No-deal" Steve Baker was asked in Parliament about no deal preparations, he cited as example of leaving Euratom that the nuclear safeguards bill has completed its passage, and international agreements have been signed. He stressed that more preparations would become visible and evident in the coming weeks.

TranceNRG wrote:I think Gospel is too pessimistic regarding our preparations for a no deal scenario. IIRC there was money allocated for this from the last budget (£3 billion or something like that) and they are probably doing more work than we hear about in the media.

Leffe wrote:

shereblue wrote:Alright for you.


I don't think this Brexit fudge up over "principle" is so funny.

I'm a Brit living in Europe, with no intention to return. Believe me it's no joke for me, more than most.

DragsterDriver wrote:

fishfoodie wrote:

DragsterDriver wrote:

fishfoodie wrote:
They probably didn't paint themselves into a corner with hundreds of publicly declared "red-lines"; before they even started negotiations.

They were also dealing with a rational actor when they negotiated their Trade relationship with the US; would you say that the current US Administration is better, or worse to negotiate with than previous ones ?

I have visited the google, and return with this:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1IP2UM

So, currently negotiating with an irrational actor, And I believe Macron didn’t set the world alight on his visit over the pond?

Thanks for locating an article that proves my point

After four years of negotiations, & years more of preparation; a fuckwit gets elected, & shits all over the previous work, & leaves the experts scrambling to save whatever they can.

It doesn’t reinforce your point in any way? The Eu are still negotiating same as the U.K. will be- the Eu doesn’t have a mythical gold plated deal in place.

Leffe wrote:

Gospel wrote:

Leffe wrote:Compliant with the red tape or the "too many rules" that the Brexiteers wanted removing? I'm not seeing at this moment, the value in leaving... all I'm seeing is that we leave, have no say in the rules yet need to apply them.

When calling people idiots, you're gonna need to look more closely at the Brexit types.

You're being an idiot. Every country in the world has to meet the import regulations of the territory they're exporting to. That's how international trade works. It doesn't mean that your own domestic market has to follow suit though. This is simple stuff.

You're expecting somehow that the internal market in the UK is large enough to warrant 2 different manufacturing standards for say cars? Or it's just easier and therefore cheaper to manufacture everything to the EU standard.

Tricky stuff.

ChipSpike wrote:

Leffe wrote:

Gospel wrote:

Leffe wrote:Compliant with the red tape or the "too many rules" that the Brexiteers wanted removing? I'm not seeing at this moment, the value in leaving... all I'm seeing is that we leave, have no say in the rules yet need to apply them.

When calling people idiots, you're gonna need to look more closely at the Brexit types.

You're being an idiot. Every country in the world has to meet the import regulations of the territory they're exporting to. That's how international trade works. It doesn't mean that your own domestic market has to follow suit though. This is simple stuff.

You're expecting somehow that the internal market in the UK is large enough to warrant 2 different manufacturing standards for say cars? Or it's just easier and therefore cheaper to manufacture everything to the EU standard.

Tricky stuff.

Only 5% of UK businesses export to the EU. EU exports make up about 12% of our GDP. So theres the scale of the issue.

ChipSpike wrote:

Leffe wrote:

Gospel wrote:

Leffe wrote:Compliant with the red tape or the "too many rules" that the Brexiteers wanted removing? I'm not seeing at this moment, the value in leaving... all I'm seeing is that we leave, have no say in the rules yet need to apply them.

When calling people idiots, you're gonna need to look more closely at the Brexit types.

You're being an idiot. Every country in the world has to meet the import regulations of the territory they're exporting to. That's how international trade works. It doesn't mean that your own domestic market has to follow suit though. This is simple stuff.

You're expecting somehow that the internal market in the UK is large enough to warrant 2 different manufacturing standards for say cars? Or it's just easier and therefore cheaper to manufacture everything to the EU standard.

Tricky stuff.

Only 5% of UK businesses export to the EU. EU exports make up about 12% of our GDP. So theres the scale of the issue.

shereblue wrote:

ChipSpike wrote:

Leffe wrote:

Gospel wrote:

Leffe wrote:Compliant with the red tape or the "too many rules" that the Brexiteers wanted removing? I'm not seeing at this moment, the value in leaving... all I'm seeing is that we leave, have no say in the rules yet need to apply them.

When calling people idiots, you're gonna need to look more closely at the Brexit types.

You're being an idiot. Every country in the world has to meet the import regulations of the territory they're exporting to. That's how international trade works. It doesn't mean that your own domestic market has to follow suit though. This is simple stuff.

You're expecting somehow that the internal market in the UK is large enough to warrant 2 different manufacturing standards for say cars? Or it's just easier and therefore cheaper to manufacture everything to the EU standard.

Tricky stuff.

Only 5% of UK businesses export to the EU. EU exports make up about 12% of our GDP. So theres the scale of the issue.

By your own admission, Little Englanders and hardly top candidates to take advantage of Foxy's global Britain then.

shereblue wrote:The UK was ranked 5th and is post referendum now, I believe, the 6th largest economy by GDP in the world. So 10th is poor for a so called great trading nation.

UK exports (and imports) as a % of GDP are well below the EU average

Please don't pass on Daily Mail slants for my benefit.

shereblue wrote:The UK was ranked 5th and is post referendum now, I believe, the 6th largest economy by GDP in the world. So 10th is poor for a so called great trading nation.

UK exports (and imports) as a % of GDP are well below the EU average

Please don't pass on Daily Mail slants for my benefit.

shereblue wrote:The UK was ranked 5th and is post referendum now, I believe, the 6th largest economy by GDP in the world. So 10th is poor for a so called great trading nation.

UK exports (and imports) as a % of GDP are well below the EU average

Please don't pass on Daily Mail slants for my benefit.

TranceNRG wrote:

Leffe wrote:

shereblue wrote:Alright for you.


I don't think this Brexit fudge up over "principle" is so funny.

I'm a Brit living in Europe, with no intention to return. Believe me it's no joke for me, more than most.

you must be one of these people that believe in the myth that things are so much better in the EU. Well I've lived in Australia and the UK and have travelled in many European countries and I can tell you that the UK is a bloody good place to live and things are much better here than some hysterical people (usually on the left) think.

Gospel wrote:

Leffe wrote:

Gospel wrote:

Leffe wrote:Compliant with the red tape or the "too many rules" that the Brexiteers wanted removing? I'm not seeing at this moment, the value in leaving... all I'm seeing is that we leave, have no say in the rules yet need to apply them.

When calling people idiots, you're gonna need to look more closely at the Brexit types.

You're being an idiot. Every country in the world has to meet the import regulations of the territory they're exporting to. That's how international trade works. It doesn't mean that your own domestic market has to follow suit though. This is simple stuff.

You're expecting somehow that the internal market in the UK is large enough to warrant 2 different manufacturing standards for say cars? Or it's just easier and therefore cheaper to manufacture everything to the EU standard.

Tricky stuff.

So you don't think our exporters sell goods to other parts of the world then? Interesting.

Leffe wrote:Of course they do you prick. But they would be countries that the UK does not have a free trade agreement with.... countries further away.

Gospel wrote:

shereblue wrote:The UK was ranked 5th and is post referendum now, I believe, the 6th largest economy by GDP in the world. So 10th is poor for a so called great trading nation.

UK exports (and imports) as a % of GDP are well below the EU average

Please don't pass on Daily Mail slants for my benefit.

Swings and roundabouts paddy. The UK is more resilient than most given the strength of our domestic market. Nations that are far more reliant on international trade will be very nervous with Trump et al making a mockery of the WTO.

shereblue wrote:Nice strategy there, bro. Insulate ourselves.

My point is that talk of the UK as a great global trading nation is a myth (or lie).

Nostalgic perhaps. We were quite good at international trade when we controlled it by force.

Trump won't supplant the British Empire but I don't doubt he can have dampen it for everyone.

ChipSpike wrote:

shereblue wrote:The UK was ranked 5th and is post referendum now, I believe, the 6th largest economy by GDP in the world. So 10th is poor for a so called great trading nation.

UK exports (and imports) as a % of GDP are well below the EU average

Please don't pass on Daily Mail slants for my benefit.

Sorry wrong figures. We are the 5th biggest trading nation. And FYI I don't read the Daily Mail.

Petej wrote:

shereblue wrote:The UK was ranked 5th and is post referendum now, I believe, the 6th largest economy by GDP in the world. So 10th is poor for a so called great trading nation.

UK exports (and imports) as a % of GDP are well below the EU average

Please don't pass on Daily Mail slants for my benefit.

It will be funny if the daily mail does a reverse ferret on brexit in November when Dacre leaves.

ChipSpike wrote:The EU aren't preparing for no deal either. They must also realise, if the deal is bad for the UK in the long term, we will change it or abandon it. So I'm expecting in the end for everyone to play nicely, when the tantrums are over.

Rugby2023 wrote:

Petej wrote:

shereblue wrote:The UK was ranked 5th and is post referendum now, I believe, the 6th largest economy by GDP in the world. So 10th is poor for a so called great trading nation.

UK exports (and imports) as a % of GDP are well below the EU average

Please don't pass on Daily Mail slants for my benefit.

It will be funny if the daily mail does a reverse ferret on brexit in November when Dacre leaves.

I know the remoans like to believe the DM have brainwashed everyone against foreigners and/or the EU (along with the Russians & Boris) but less than 3% of the UK pop. actually reads the publication.

Leffe wrote:

TranceNRG wrote:

Leffe wrote:

shereblue wrote:Alright for you.


I don't think this Brexit fudge up over "principle" is so funny.

I'm a Brit living in Europe, with no intention to return. Believe me it's no joke for me, more than most.

you must be one of these people that believe in the myth that things are so much better in the EU. Well I've lived in Australia and the UK and have travelled in many European countries and I can tell you that the UK is a bloody good place to live and things are much better here than some hysterical people (usually on the left) think.

Oh you've travelled many European countries, well you must know all about it then

The UK is in every study on social mobility, joint bottom in Western nations with the USA. That alone is a very condemning fact.

I live in the NL and can absolutely tell you that lifestyle here is a country mile better than the UK, for the majority of people. I won't group all of the EU together, on the basis of having traveled many EU countries, because it would be disingenuous to do so.

sewa wrote:Everyone knows the manufacturing of airplanes is an illegal government subsidised jobs scheme. Why would we subsidise jobs in a country outside the EU?