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As in : "Bimbo is probably talking shite as usual " ?


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A senior EU official has declared the earth is flat.


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A senior EU official has declared the earth is flat.


It's a waiting game. Who will blink first? Or is it the cliff?


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A senior EU official has declared the earth is flat.

No, that's the DUP, who support the UK government. They have Flat Earthers, young earthers, British earthers, and naked earthers amongst others.


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Unnamed official might as well be some fella in the pub. It’s nonsence.


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Unnamed official might as well be some fella in the pub. It’s nonsence.


Might be.....might not be


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Unnamed official might as well be some fella in the pub. It’s nonsence.

Must have been quite a session, as the same chap also spoke to Tony Connelly of RTE.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0524/96584 ... eu-border/


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Unnamed official might as well be some fella in the pub. It’s nonsence.

Must have been quite a session, as the same chap also spoke to Tony Connelly of RTE.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0524/96584 ... eu-border/


Same old problem. UK unable or unwilling to prepare working drafts.
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"We have always said we are open to alternative drafting from the UK. We only have one benchmark and that is, does the suggestion address the issue of the border while respecting the integrity of the single market and customs union?

"That is our benchmark. We will look at any drafting. So far we haven't got any. Progress at this stage seems illusive, and substantive progress even more so."

The official warned that progress was needed by June, and sharply hinted that the UK had to come forward with legal texts, rather than proposals that dealt with the EU-UK future relationship.


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DUP also missing a trick to shape the future with their own imprint.
If they were sensible enough they would present May with a workable solution. As usual though their only contribution shall be whingeing about others, and trying to disrupt the implementation.
At least the UUP had some feeling that they were the party of power to lead the country. The DUP have never left the pulpit.


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DUP also missing a trick to shape the future with their own imprint.
If they were sensible enough they would present May with a workable solution. As usual though their only contribution shall be whingeing about others, and trying to disrupt the implementation.
At least the UUP had some feeling that they were the party of power to lead the country. The DUP have never left the pulpit.


The DUPs entire political philosophy is summed up in one word:

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As in : "Bimbo is probably talking shite as usual " ?



Can you explain why a "founder" and large funded of the Galileo project "could ". Switch off the system but a recent joining non EU country doesn't present the same risk ?


You can't becaus the argument is nonsense. The EU after weaponising the Irish border are short of points to threaten us with.


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camroc1 wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
Unnamed official might as well be some fella in the pub. It’s nonsence.

Must have been quite a session, as the same chap also spoke to Tony Connelly of RTE.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0524/96584 ... eu-border/



Might have been a differant made up official.


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The Brexit vote was on a blank piece of paper and they are currently filling in the frequently underwhelming details.

Everyone knew that leave meant leave. The government even spent £9m explaining this in great detail to every household in the country. What we have now are those that disagree with the result trying every trick in the book to change the outcome by ensuring we get a deal that is so bad that the public will eventually decide it's no longer worth pursuing. But what I actually think will happen is that we will get a half-arsed Brexit which will result in a stalemate - whereby there won't be any mechanism to actually pull us all the way out or all the way back in.


Oh bless everyone/reality is ruining your fantasy brexit. Remember to blame the EU. They really haven't explained very much in detail and that is the problem. You still haven't detailed where you think we should diverge from EU with regard to standards etc..? I must have asked at least 3 times previously. The Rogers article is well worth a read but written by an expert so might not appeal. The below clearly indicates that you haven't read it.

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A long read but interesting insight from Sir Ivan Rogers.

https://policyscotland.gla.ac.uk/blog-s ... t-in-full/

(the speech went up yesterday but the website has been up and down all morning...)

Link not working, but I think this Guardian article quotes most of the interesting bits.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... van-rogers

Imagine my surprise that he still refuses to accept the referendum result and wants to mitigate it no matter what.


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If remainers think (obviously) we're heading in the wrong direction, and Brexiters (increasingly) think we're heading in the wrong direction it seems insane just just do it anyway and screw us all over.

Trouble with that is that it's for different reasons. :) The Remoaners think we're heading out, whereas the Brexiters think we're heading back in (in all but name) so the solutions will be different.

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'max fac' would cost business up to £20bn per year

This is what Jon Thompson, chief executive and permanent secretary at HMRC, told the Treasury committee about the costs of “max fac” for business.


Brexit means Brexit, but that seems a bit pricey.

Possibly lies of course. Is Jon Thompson a remoaner?

Massaged figures. The Norths (remember those bundles of joy?) who advocate EFTA/EEA partially on a customs basis, reckon it's a fraction of the cost, some other prominent commentators agree.


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DUP also missing a trick to shape the future with their own imprint.
If they were sensible enough they would present May with a workable solution. As usual though their only contribution shall be whingeing about others, and trying to disrupt the implementation.
At least the UUP had some feeling that they were the party of power to lead the country. The DUP have never left the pulpit.

I don't think there is a workable solution. You have Bimbos magic cameras that can inspect inside trucks or its a hard border


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Or reunification?


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Or reunification?


Under the GFA (and I know the UK has basically ignored it thus far in the Brexit process) would need a referendum in both parts of Ireland.


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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 9:00 am 
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Leinster in London wrote:
DUP also missing a trick to shape the future with their own imprint.
If they were sensible enough they would present May with a workable solution. As usual though their only contribution shall be whingeing about others, and trying to disrupt the implementation.
At least the UUP had some feeling that they were the party of power to lead the country. The DUP have never left the pulpit.

I don't think there is a workable solution. You have Bimbos magic cameras that can inspect inside trucks or its a hard border



“ cameras are magic”.

That’s you summed up in one small sentence.


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Or reunification?


Under the GFA (and I know the UK has basically ignored it thus far in the Brexit process) would need a referendum in both parts of Ireland.



I believe we refer to it as SFA :P

I’ve still got no idea what’s going to happen, I did see on Twitter an Irish lady laughing about plans being made for 19mile queues at Dover and that summed up the both sides.


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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/25/galileo-uk-will-build-own-satellite-system-if-frozen-out-of-eu-brexit

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The chancellor, Philip Hammond, has warned that the UK will build its own satellite navigation system to rival the European Union’s €10bn Galileo project if Brussels carries out its threat to block access.

The European commission has cited legal issues about sharing sensitive information with a non-member state to justify its decision to shut British firms out of the project. The EU has also said it will restrict access to encrypted signals from Galileo.

Speaking as he arrived in Brussels for a meeting of finance ministers on Friday, Hammond said the UK could not accept the EU’s decision to block British companies from the satellite’s manufacture and the government from secure aspects of the project.

He told reporters: “We need access to a satellite system of this kind. A plan has always been to work as a core member of the Galileo project, contributing financially and technically to the project.

“If that proves impossible then Britain will have to go it alone, possibly with other partners outside Europe and the US, to build a third competing system. But for national security strategic reasons we need access to a system and will ensure that we get it.”

The UK is said to be hopeful that Australia could be a partner for such a rival project, should the impasse with the EU continue.

The EU is insistent that the UK had agreed in 2011 as an EU member state on the rules on blocking non-EU countries from access to secure elements of the project.


A senior EU official said, following some fraught negotiations this week, that it had become clear the UK “would like to transform Galileo from a union programme to a joint EU-UK programme, and that is quite a big ask for the EU”.

“They want to have privileged access to the security elements of PRS (the encrypted navigation system for government-authorised users) and to be able to continue manufacturing the security modules which would mean that after Brexit the UK, as a third country, would have the possibility to turn off the signal for the EU,” the official said.

“It also means they are asking for information and the possibility to produce the security modules that would give them information that currently not all member states have.”



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SamShark wrote:
If remainers think (obviously) we're heading in the wrong direction, and Brexiters (increasingly) think we're heading in the wrong direction it seems insane just just do it anyway and screw us all over.

Trouble with that is that it's for different reasons. :) The Remoaners think we're heading out, whereas the Brexiters think we're heading back in (in all but name) so the solutions will be different.

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'max fac' would cost business up to £20bn per year

This is what Jon Thompson, chief executive and permanent secretary at HMRC, told the Treasury committee about the costs of “max fac” for business.


Brexit means Brexit, but that seems a bit pricey.

Possibly lies of course. Is Jon Thompson a remoaner?

Massaged figures. The Norths (remember those bundles of joy?) who advocate EFTA/EEA partially on a customs basis, reckon it's a fraction of the cost, some other prominent commentators agree.

Thank goodness for that, Rugby

Otherwise, if the treacherous experts at HMRC had not been remoaning liars, it would have meant the 365m. a week available for the NHS due to saved EU membership fees would have been entirely wiped out, ironically by the costs of EXTRA bureaucracy


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You still haven't detailed where you think we should diverge from EU with regard to standards etc..? I must have asked at least 3 times previously.

And I replied three times. :roll:


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Corbyn under pressure to give members vote on Labour Brexit policy

Supporters from leftwing group Momentum press for debate at party conference

Supporters of Jeremy Corbyn from the leftwing campaign group Momentum are piling pressure on the leadership this weekend to give members a debate and vote on Labour’s Brexit policy in a move that will further expose the party’s deep divisions over Europe.

Several prominent figures on the left have told the Observer that it will be unacceptable – and reminiscent of the worst elements of Tony Blair’s leadership – if policy is decided behind closed doors. They are demanding that Brexit is fully discussed and voted on by delegates at the Labour party conference in Liverpool in September. The gathering will take place before any vote by MPs in parliament on the outcome of negotiations between Theresa May and Brussels.

The calls for involvement of the mass membership come as the leadership faces growing pressure from Labour MPs, peers and members to take a more pro-EU, pro-single-market approach as the main political parties prepare for a series of crucial Commons votes on the EU withdrawal bill in less than three weeks.

A spokesman for Momentum said the organisation remained supportive of the leadership on Brexit. But, increasingly, elements within Momentum and the trade union movement are demanding the right to be heard on the most important policy issue of the day, in line with Corbyn’s repeated pledges to involve members at every turn. The Trades Union Congress is expected to intensify its demands for the party to back staying in the single market in the coming months.

Rida Vaquas, a former member of Momentum’s national coordinating group, said: “The left has always stood against stage-managed conferences from the days of Blair, where decisions of substance are made behind closed doors whilst party members are given no chances to have robust debates on the direction of our party.

“A Corbyn-led Labour party can only be strengthened by vigorous discussion among our own ranks, on our political differences as well as what unites us. How we approach Brexit is an issue of decisive importance and it is therefore only right it is debated at conference. Socialists can never succeed by dodging political questions, only by facing them head on.”

Michael Chessum, who was on Momentum’s first steering committee in 2016/17 and is now national organiser of the leftwing anti-Brexit group Another Europe is Possible, said: “Jeremy Corbyn and the rest of the Labour leadership are principled people.

“They have spent decades fighting for democracy in the party and against the idea that important decisions can be made in smoky backrooms by officials. So I’m confident that they will support the right of members to democratically debate issues as pivotal as Brexit and free movement. There should be a consensus around that.

“Labour isn’t negotiating this deal, and the closer we get to exit day, the clearer it gets that the Tories’ Brexit agenda is going to be a disaster for the rights, freedoms and prosperity of working-class people and the communities that Labour and the left are supposed to represent. It is urgent that we clearly place an alternative to Brexit on the table – one linked to a radical vision for society under a Corbyn-led Labour government.”

At last year’s Labour conference in Brighton, Momentum and some of the unions joined forces to prevent the Brexit issue being debated in order to avoid exposing the party split and embarrassing the relatively Eurosceptic Corbyn. At the time, many of his MPs and peers were pushing for him to back permanent membership of the single market.

This year the arguments over Brexit look likely to be even more heated and calls for a debate will be far more difficult to resist in September, when the date of the UK’s departure will be less than six months away.

Another Momentum member, Omar Raii, who sits on the London Young Labour committee and is a former NUS national executive committee member, said: “On an issue as big as this it would be unacceptable if we decided to determine our policy behind closed doors. It would be the worst kind of Blairite approach.

“It’s hugely important that Labour members democratically thrash out policy at conference on all issues, especially one as huge as Brexit. I hope to see Labour articulate a genuinely internationalist policy that opposes the reactionary, anti-migrant plans the Tories have for us.”

At a recent conference of the centre-left grouping Progess, nine candidates for Labour’s national executive committee launched the campaign LabourSay.EU to push for a meaningful vote on Brexit at the Labour conference.

Earlier this month, student unions representing almost 1 million young people studying at UK colleges and universities signed a statement calling for a “people’s vote” or second referendum on the final deal negotiated by May.


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Why would momentum now want to undermine Corbyn having thrown any opposition to him under the bus?


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Why would momentum now want to undermine Corbyn having thrown any opposition to him under the bus?



Because Lansman has lost control of the piss stained bearded twat .


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*doesnt know who lansman is- off to google*


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DUP also missing a trick to shape the future with their own imprint.
If they were sensible enough they would present May with a workable solution. As usual though their only contribution shall be whingeing about others, and trying to disrupt the implementation.
At least the UUP had some feeling that they were the party of power to lead the country. The DUP have never left the pulpit.


The DUPs entire political philosophy is summed up in one word:

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that's it.

But it's yes to babies with banned abortions


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Why would momentum now want to undermine Corbyn having thrown any opposition to him under the bus?



Because Lansman has lost control of the piss stained bearded twat .

Have to admit, made I larf. I've got nowt against Corbyn but that's a decent bit of schnidery.


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Breaking:

Italian president refuses to accept appointment of finance minister. Back to the polls for the Italians. Danger is more no forza involvement in future government at all.


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Eddie Jones appointed Brexit minister.


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Eddie Jones appointed Brexit minister.



Chris Robshaw re ran Mays election today ?


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Breaking:

Italian president refuses to accept appointment of finance minister. Back to the polls for the Italians. Danger is more no forza involvement in future government at all.


Refused to accept a Eurosceptic?


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Breaking:

Italian president refuses to accept appointment of finance minister. Back to the polls for the Italians. Danger is more no forza involvement in future government at all.


Refused to accept a Eurosceptic?



Yip. The next election will play very very badly for Italy now.


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Breaking:

Italian president refuses to accept appointment of finance minister. Back to the polls for the Italians. Danger is more no forza involvement in future government at all.


Refused to accept a Eurosceptic?



Yip. The next election will play very very badly for Italy now.



I understand it is within the President's remit but it is highly unconventional and he's put his foot right in it with his justification: "I asked for... an authoritative person from the parliamentary majority who is consistent with the government programme... who isn't seen as a supporter of a line that could probably, or even inevitably, provoke Italy's exit from the euro"

Only adds to the narrative of 'Elites vs the People'.

For what it's worth, an unelected figurehead blocking a cabinet appointment whilst trying to shoehorn some grey ex-IMF bureaucrat into the role is pretty unedifying for Italian democracy (and it's seen some dark days recently. . Mario Monty anyone?).


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bimboman wrote:
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bimboman wrote:
Breaking:

Italian president refuses to accept appointment of finance minister. Back to the polls for the Italians. Danger is more no forza involvement in future government at all.


Refused to accept a Eurosceptic?



Yip. The next election will play very very badly for Italy now.



I understand it is within the President's remit but it is highly unconventional and he's put his foot right in it with his justification: "I asked for... an authoritative person from the parliamentary majority who is consistent with the government programme... who isn't seen as a supporter of a line that could probably, or even inevitably, provoke Italy's exit from the euro"

Only adds to the narrative of 'Elites vs the People'.

For what it's worth, an unelected figurehead blocking a cabinet appointment whilst trying to shoehorn some grey ex-IMF bureaucrat into the role is pretty unedifying for Italian democracy (and it's seen some dark days recently. . Mario Monty anyone?).

Talk of large street protests this week. I can see this getting very emotional


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bimboman wrote:
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bimboman wrote:
Breaking:

Italian president refuses to accept appointment of finance minister. Back to the polls for the Italians. Danger is more no forza involvement in future government at all.


Refused to accept a Eurosceptic?



Yip. The next election will play very very badly for Italy now.



I understand it is within the President's remit but it is highly unconventional and he's put his foot right in it with his justification: "I asked for... an authoritative person from the parliamentary majority who is consistent with the government programme... who isn't seen as a supporter of a line that could probably, or even inevitably, provoke Italy's exit from the euro"

Only adds to the narrative of 'Elites vs the People'.

For what it's worth, an unelected figurehead blocking a cabinet appointment whilst trying to shoehorn some grey ex-IMF bureaucrat into the role is pretty unedifying for Italian democracy (and it's seen some dark days recently. . Mario Monty anyone?).

Talk of large street protests this week. I can see this getting very emotional



In my view, the concerted efforts of the EU to temporarily dismantle a democracy when it threatens their interests lends credence to the old Gorbachev comment about them: “The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe.”

I am of course assuming that Brussels has had a word with the Italian President given his above comments: Freudian slip at 'the government programme', that'll be the EU's structural reform programme I should imagine given the government programme is whatever NL and 5Star say it is as they are now the aspiring government.


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Of course the Italian president has every constitutional right to reject the appointment. Unfortunately for Mattarella, the Italian parliament has the right to impeach him for it if they can get the votes (and with 5* and Legia working together they may well have the votes).

The contempt of democracy among the Eurocrats will be the cancer that brings the whole EU edifice down eventually.


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Of course the Italian president has every constitutional right to reject the appointment. Unfortunately for Mattarella, the Italian parliament has the right to impeach him for it if they can get the votes (and with 5* and Legia working together they may well have the votes).

The contempt of democracy among the Eurocrats will be the cancer that brings the whole EU edifice down eventually.


I would expect Forza to vote with them, call it Silvio's revenge for 2011.


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Of course the Italian president has every constitutional right to reject the appointment. Unfortunately for Mattarella, the Italian parliament has the right to impeach him for it if they can get the votes (and with 5* and Legia working together they may well have the votes).

The contempt of democracy among the Eurocrats will be the cancer that brings the whole EU edifice down eventually.



Well it appears that he will impose a technocrat govt until Dec and they'll have a new vote. Nothing to see here.


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