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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:35 pm 
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Actual question of a friend...

Mate is leaving job.. put on gardening leave. Had a work phone with his own number.. ie the one he had before joined company.

They are saying it is theirs now as tied to phone.

I reckon Bullshit as it was his own number


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:36 pm 
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Who's paying the bill for the number?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:41 pm 
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Who's paying the bill for the number?

His work is. Said when he came in they offered him a phone and said just keep your number...handier etc


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:44 pm 
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Depends on the country.

In Oz it doesn't matter who pays the bill, numbers are portable


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He's in a bit of bother in that case. They pay the bill, it's their number.
It's going to be a very tricky argument for him to win unless he can somehow change the payment etc to pint to his own bank account but it's probably been added to the company's corporate mobile account so will be difficult for him to do that behind their back.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:56 pm 
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Really? It's written into corporate accounts here that numbers are portable if you bring your own number in.


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Pat the Ex Mat wrote:
Really? It's written into corporate accounts here that numbers are portable if you bring your own number in.


I must check with our office admin to see what the arrangement is here.
Also, the fact that the guy is on gardening leave may mean that relations have soured and it could prove difficult to get them to yield up the number.

I always wonder why anyone would use their personal number if a company is going to give them a phone. Use the work one and fire it in a drawer at the weekend.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:11 pm 
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Presumably loads of clients have the number now so it's contaminated anyway for want of a better word. Your friend was pretty dumb tbf.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:14 pm 
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It wouldn't matter if they are leave or not. If the clause is there...

I have done this multiple times

I was on call so having two phones is a pain in the arse

Luckily nowadays, twin SIM phones make it easier


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:25 pm 
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I've had my number for nearly 20 years and whoever I've worked for has usually footed the bill under there own name while I've worked for them, then transferred it back to me when I've left.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:27 pm 
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Maybe he could find a european law/regulation (in case he doesn't find a specific law in the country) that is stating that the company can right fùck off as it is his own number .

If he doesn't find such a thing, he should invent one to piss them off to death, with this an all other stuff he can find and claim.

He could also wait some time then mark the car of his former boss and other fuckers with a screwdriver. I think that is some stuff the fùckers will enjoy.

A funny stuff to do also : he could wait at night with several condoms filled with glucose syrup (or maple syrup etc.), water and toilet paper, and bomb the fuckers from an upper position (3rd floor or more, from the other side of the street).
Note : a nice effect is to crash the condoms on the roof of a car parked in front of the fuckers, this makes a perfect fragmentation sugar/toiletpaper grenade effect.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:19 am 
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This is tricky. Part of me wants him to tell them to fudge right off. But they are paying for it directly rather than reimbursing him for expenses. Which means he's also not entitled to claim it as a work expense because there's been no personal expense, tho I'm not sure the company could either, given it's not registered in the company name (I assume?).

I think he could get around it by porting the phone number to a new SIM which would fudge them. It's under his name, not theirs.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:29 am 
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Banana Man wrote:
Leinsterman wrote:
Who's paying the bill for the number?

His work is. Said when he came in they offered him a phone and said just keep your number...handier etc

Well then he keeps it, if they said it would be handier. It ought to be handy enough for them to give the number back to him.

I would agree with the part of Speedracer that wants to tell them to eff off. If your mate brought his own stapler into the office when he started, they can’t turn around now and say “but we’ve been paying for all the staples you put in it while you were here.” Still my fcuking stapler, you pricks.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:53 am 
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Banana Man wrote:
Actual question of a friend...

Mate is leaving job.. put on gardening leave. Had a work phone with his own number.. ie the one he had before joined company.

They are saying it is theirs now as tied to phone.

I reckon Bullshit as it was his own number


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The truth is that work now owns it, and he will need to negotiate to get it back.

To get the number back his work will need to agree and get the PAC code, so he can port it to a new contract.

He should also be mindful about the email address he used for his appleid/ etc.

And all other accounts he set up eg amazon/etc.

And the actual content on the phone, photos, which technically belong to his work.


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Gavin Duffy wrote:
Presumably loads of clients have the number now so it's contaminated anyway for want of a better word. Your friend was pretty dumb tbf.


This. Why would he want to keep it?

I suppose gardening leave is a bit of a clue come to think of it.


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Gavin Duffy wrote:
Presumably loads of clients have the number now so it's contaminated anyway for want of a better word. Your friend was pretty dumb tbf.


This. Why would he want to keep it?

I suppose gardening leave is a bit of a clue come to think of it.


Depends on his line of business. It might be worth his while to have past clients call him up.

He'd presumably want to keep it as family and friends had the number before he took the job. So not wanting the hassle of having to contact everyone he's ever known to let them know his number has changed.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:09 am 
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RuggaBugga wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:
Presumably loads of clients have the number now so it's contaminated anyway for want of a better word. Your friend was pretty dumb tbf.


This. Why would he want to keep it?

I suppose gardening leave is a bit of a clue come to think of it.


- Keep your own number for professional use cause it's handier...
- "They are saying it is theirs now as tied to phone"...

I think these are also quite some clue on the kind of company it must be...


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:56 am 
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DOB wrote:
RuggaBugga wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:
Presumably loads of clients have the number now so it's contaminated anyway for want of a better word. Your friend was pretty dumb tbf.


This. Why would he want to keep it?

I suppose gardening leave is a bit of a clue come to think of it.


Depends on his line of business. It might be worth his while to have past clients call him up.

He'd presumably want to keep it as family and friends had the number before he took the job. So not wanting the hassle of having to contact everyone he's ever known to let them know his number has changed.

This is the reason.... both of the above.

But just the handiness of having the same number really outside of work.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:00 am 
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And I can quite easily see why the company doesn't want to let him keep his number if he's going to have clients contact him when he moves jobs.
To be honest, I'd be siding with the company on this, particularly if it's a sales/account management job.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:15 am 
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Leinsterman wrote:
And I can quite easily see why the company doesn't want to let him keep his number if he's going to have clients contact him when he moves jobs.
To be honest, I'd be siding with the company on this, particularly if it's a sales/account management job.


Nah, fcuk that. If the company cares about all that, they should've given him a new number when he started. What's next? "Oh, and we own your gmail address too, now."

If the company provided the handset, they can have that back. The employee brought the number. It's HIS phone number, and he was good enough to allow the company to make use of it while he was working for them.


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In today’s protectionist climate I would be very surprised if you are not entitled to your number back whether they like it or not!!


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:03 am 
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why would you give your personal phone & number over to a firm when you joined anyway ?
I just have 2 phones, personal one for porn and personal matters like looking for a job, work phone for work. I told my firm they can GTFO adding my personal number onto any of their contact lists in case of emergency thing, especially as they already have it on my CV.


doesn't sound OP that its a particularly frictionless parting of ways between employer & employee !


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Leinsterman wrote:
I always wonder why anyone would use their personal number if a company is going to give them a phone. Use the work one and fire it in a drawer at the weekend.

Very much this. My work phone stays in a drawer at work whenever I'm not there.

But the scenario presented by the OP does sound like the company is wanting to try and prevent this guy from taking all his clients with him. I don't work in sales but that doesn't sound massively unreasonable. If the guy was offered a work phone when he started and turned it down in favour of using his own then he's been a bit short-sighted imho.


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Leinsterman wrote:
I always wonder why anyone would use their personal number if a company is going to give them a phone. Use the work one and fire it in a drawer at the weekend.

I have only ever worked for large corporates, but it was automatic that you could take your number with you. I have used the same number across three different employers, and still have it.

The corporate deal was always so cheap it was a perk of the job that you got personal use for literally a couple of quid a month. It was a pain registering your personal numbers but once done, the bill was automatically split between work and personal use and the personal was just a salary deduction.

Work calls stop surprisingly quickly. People who you work with regularly (who would have your number on their phone) know you are gone. The number disappears off the directory so others will no longer be able to access it.

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If the chap in the OP is in sales then the employer will be telling clients asap that he is no longer their contact and telling them who their new contact is and their details.


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Note to self: never piss off Jolindien.


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Leinsterman wrote:
I always wonder why anyone would use their personal number if a company is going to give them a phone. Use the work one and fire it in a drawer at the weekend.

Very much this. My work phone stays in a drawer at work whenever I'm not there.

But the scenario presented by the OP does sound like the company is wanting to try and prevent this guy from taking all his clients with him. I don't work in sales but that doesn't sound massively unreasonable. If the guy was offered a work phone when he started and turned it down in favour of using his own then he's been a bit short-sighted imho.


These boys are onto it. BYOD if it involves a different sim card. Otherwise fark off.

I've gone from private sector with a company supplied phone to public agency no company phone at all. It is f**king marvellous as it comes with no expectation to field or return calls out of hours.


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I hate this,

people bring their own numbers across, they get it paid for on the company phone contact. Company renews on a 3 year deal, person leaves, and wants their number back.

with o2, if he leaves but stays with o2, there's not cost. if he moves to another provider then a contractual penalty for the remainder of the term that the company is liable for.

So porting personal numbers to work contracts is not a good idea unless you want to potentially hundreds of £££ to 'buy' the number back.

If he ported the number to the co, they he should be allowed to take it back, but he may have to buy out the remainder of the contract. the company saying that they now own the numbers is fucknig bollox.


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Not to mention the plum here who think their work device is their own personal toy and enter premium rate txt competitions :x


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