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in a shock to no-one, the WH chose to redact all the explicit information that proves that the previously released memo was a Complete-Sack-of-shit, but in keeping with their incompetence in even basic operations, they've done so in a way that actually probably makes them look worse than if they'd just released the damn thing completely.
Did the Whitehouse make any redactions? I thought those were the redactions agreed between the FBI and the Democrats, and that no further additions were made?

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Schiff had warned he was concerned the White House would make "political redactions," but a senior Democratic committee official said that the redacted document released Saturday "came back clean" from Justice Department and the FBI.


Absolutely, It's all about the WH. As the previous Numb-nuts Memo demonstrated; if the WH says it's not Secret, they have the power to declassify anything they like. In the case of the DNC version of exactly the same evidence that was behind the Numb-nuts memo; quelle suprise; they felt the need to gut the content; while the previous memo was published without any redactions.
Sure, but the process as I understood it was that the memo was returned for redaction by the FBI and Dem members of the Committee, and then accepted by the WH in the form agreed by those parties. Were there any redactions made directly by the WH?

The Nunes memo was laughable short and non-specific with no sensitive sources or methods. The response memo was far more detailed.


yeah, but sadly you're comparing two completely different sets of organizations.

The Feds would rather that zero information was released; full stop; & the political parties want to release only the information that fits their particular agenda is released. But, & this is the only relevant point; the controller of that which is released, & that which is redacted is the Political Party that is in the WH !

The Intelligence orgs are irrelevant; as they are subservient to the political side.

Always remember; the intelligence that gets leaked, is decided by the political party that holds the WH.


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fishfoodie wrote:
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in a shock to no-one, the WH chose to redact all the explicit information that proves that the previously released memo was a Complete-Sack-of-shit, but in keeping with their incompetence in even basic operations, they've done so in a way that actually probably makes them look worse than if they'd just released the damn thing completely.
Did the Whitehouse make any redactions? I thought those were the redactions agreed between the FBI and the Democrats, and that no further additions were made?

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That set off a period of negotiations between the Democratic committee staff and the FBI.
Schiff had warned he was concerned the White House would make "political redactions," but a senior Democratic committee official said that the redacted document released Saturday "came back clean" from Justice Department and the FBI.


Absolutely, It's all about the WH. As the previous Numb-nuts Memo demonstrated; if the WH says it's not Secret, they have the power to declassify anything they like. In the case of the DNC version of exactly the same evidence that was behind the Numb-nuts memo; quelle suprise; they felt the need to gut the content; while the previous memo was published without any redactions.
Sure, but the process as I understood it was that the memo was returned for redaction by the FBI and Dem members of the Committee, and then accepted by the WH in the form agreed by those parties. Were there any redactions made directly by the WH?

The Nunes memo was laughable short and non-specific with no sensitive sources or methods. The response memo was far more detailed.


yeah, but sadly you're comparing two completely different sets of organizations.

The Feds would rather that zero information was released; full stop; & the political parties want to release only the information that fits their particular agenda is released. But, & this is the only relevant point; the controller of that which is released, & that which is redacted is the Political Party that is in the WH !

The Intelligence orgs are irrelevant; as they are subservient to the political side.

Always remember; the intelligence that gets leaked, is decided by the political party that holds the WH.
We seem to be going in circles here. I’m trying to understand the extent to which the WH had input on the redaction of the document.

From the public record it appears that the Committee voted to release it, it was then returned by the WH to the FBI and Dem Committee members to agreed redactions, those were agreed and returned to the WH via Justice then approved with no further amendments.

Is your suggestion that the FBI was acting on the WH’s instructions in their discussions with the Dems?

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The Intelligence orgs are irrelevant; as they are subservient to the political side.
Isn’t that the exact point that the Republicans are trying to make about the FBI and DOJ under Obama?


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Heads up, Trump joins Judge Jeanine on Fox News in 10 minutes. Should be intellectually fulfilling...


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After Columbine over 10,000 school police officers were hired just in case a school shooting happened. Two decades later, they haven't stopped a *single* school shooting. Instead they've arrested over 1 million kids, mostly students of color, for routine behavior violations. https://twitter.com/Complex/status/966900804207521796

12:10 AM - Feb 23, 2018


Also, regarding the School Safety Officer

Funny how, the fear of impending death is a defense when they don't go in but also a defense when a black guy reaches for his wallet. You wanted to be a hero, go be a hero!!

Notice I said impending death. Because if you have a hand gun and the other guy has a AR-15, you get one shot (maybe) and it has to be a kill shot before you get shot up.


Are these recently ex-high school kids really that accurate wth an AR15?? They seem to fire way more rounds that miss than hit anyone else.


He killed 17 and wounded another 14


Wasn't he some sort of cadet while he was at the school, officer training or some such?

There were reports he wore his old cadet shirt which enabled him to enter the school and move around freely.


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Heads up, Trump joins Judge Jeanine on Fox News in 10 minutes. Should be intellectually fulfilling...


How'd it go? Are you ok?

Doncha know you can catch something watching that sort of stuff.


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Heads up, Trump joins Judge Jeanine on Fox News in 10 minutes. Should be intellectually fulfilling...


How'd it go? Are you ok?

Doncha know you can catch something watching that sort of stuff.

Met and exceeded expectations.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/ ... dam-schiff

Ended with a mutual congratulations on poll and rating numbers.


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Walls work. If kept up and patrolled.


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Walls work. If kept up and patrolled.

Yep. Talk to the Chinese about them...


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Interesting with relevance to the subject matter of this thread?


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Walls work. If kept up and patrolled.

Yep. Talk to the Chinese about them...


or a natural moat filled with sharks and salt water crocodiles like Aus


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Mr Mike wrote:
We seem to be going in circles here. I’m trying to understand the extent to which the WH had input on the redaction of the document.

From the public record it appears that the Committee voted to release it, it was then returned by the WH to the FBI and Dem Committee members to agreed redactions, those were agreed and returned to the WH via Justice then approved with no further amendments.

Is your suggestion that the FBI was acting on the WH’s instructions in their discussions with the Dems?


The President can, at his own discretion, decide to declassify anything he chooses, without reference to anyone else.

In the example of Nunes memo; the President allowed it to be published entirely un-redacted (all-be-it, from reports, it was edited at the request of the intelligence agencies)

So in other words; the President could have either chosen to release the unredacted DNC memo; or sent it back to them with a set of requested edits from the agencies, but instead it was gutted.

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The Intelligence orgs are irrelevant; as they are subservient to the political side.
Isn’t that the exact point that the Republicans are trying to make about the FBI and DOJ under Obama?


The Intelligence agencies can advise, they don't set policy; & they don't decide what gets released, that's up to the WH. Remember, the Feds & CIA didn't want even the Nunes memo released. They didn't want to part of a purely Political stunt. The WH was, yet again, trying to undermine Mueller, & using a very selective memo, which contained classified material; but when the DNC tried to show what a pile of crap the memo was, the WH felt it necessary to strip everything out of the rebuttal memo.


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Walls work. If kept up and patrolled.

Yep. Talk to the Chinese about them...


or a natural moat filled with sharks and salt water crocodiles like Aus


That works so well the Australian government intercepts people trying to get to NZ and imprisons them, just on the off chance like.


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Walls work. If kept up and patrolled.

Yep. Talk to the Chinese about them...


or a natural moat filled with sharks and salt water crocodiles like Aus


That works so well the Australian government intercepts people trying to get to NZ and imprisons them, just on the off chance like.


Yep, it works rather well, (trying to get to NZ :lol:)


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Flockwitt wrote:
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Walls work. If kept up and patrolled.

Yep. Talk to the Chinese about them...


You are aware of how the Mongols got through right?


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Walls work. If kept up and patrolled.

Yep. Talk to the Chinese about them...


You are aware of how the Mongols got through right?


They used a white-walker dragon to fly over it, there's an upcoming documentary about it.

Strangely, flying over the it is likely how most of the Mexican illegals (murders, rapists, and some I assume, good people) will probably manage to get over a wall, even if it's 200, 220, even 240 ft high. That's how the majority are getting in now, at any rate. Until that wall is 40000ft high they'll keep flying over it. So make it 42000ft high, and force them to fly around it, that will show them.


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Turbogoat wrote:
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Walls work. If kept up and patrolled.

Yep. Talk to the Chinese about them...


You are aware of how the Mongols got through right?


They used a white-walker dragon to fly over it, there's an upcoming documentary about it.

Strangely, flying over the it is likely how most of the Mexican illegals (murders, rapists, and some I assume, good people) will probably manage to get over a wall, even if it's 200, 220, even 240 ft high. That's how the majority are getting in now, at any rate. Until that wall is 40000ft high they'll keep flying over it. So make it 42000ft high, and force them to fly around it, that will show them.



Palestinians/Mid Easterns do not have the power of flight mastered yet ?


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The issues with the Palestinian Authority passport have been very effective at preventing them flying actually.

Maybe if Trump manages to stop Mexican passports being issued he can achieve the same results.


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The issues with the Palestinian Authority passport have been very effective at preventing them flying actually.

Maybe if Trump manages to stop Mexican passports being issued he can achieve the same results.



Trump and the Mexican Prez is in a bad way, it seems.

Israel has a zero number of illegals over their wall. Tenable ?


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The issues with the Palestinian Authority passport have been very effective at preventing them flying actually.

Maybe if Trump manages to stop Mexican passports being issued he can achieve the same results.



Trump and the Mexican Prez is in a bad way, it seems.

Israel has a zero number of illegals over their wall. Tenable ?


That must be why they live in a time with no security issues or hostility.


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The issues with the Palestinian Authority passport have been very effective at preventing them flying actually.

Maybe if Trump manages to stop Mexican passports being issued he can achieve the same results.



Trump and the Mexican Prez is in a bad way, it seems.

Israel has a zero number of illegals over their wall. Tenable ?


That must be why they live in a time with no security issues or hostility.


Less than before the wall.


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Ensuring lots more long term hostility and security issues however.

What are the comparative lengths of these walls btw?


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Looks like McMaster is due for the chop this week. Probably because he acknowledged that Russian meddling actually happened.

What a joke of an administration.


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Ensuring lots more long term hostility and security issues however.

What are the comparative lengths of these walls btw?



I don't know. You can google, i imagine ?


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Looks like McMaster is due for the chop this week. Probably because he acknowledged that Russian meddling actually happened.

What a joke of an administration.


That and he was never Trump's guy. After Flynn got got (as the kids say), Preibus got him to bring on McM as an unapproachable choice. McM has been fighting with the White National guys like that guy that ran to Bannon and Kush to stay longer and Trump think McM talks too much in meetings and is trying to leash Trump (as in advise Trump to much on what is going on, making Trump feel dumb.


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Looks like McMaster is due for the chop this week. Probably because he acknowledged that Russian meddling actually happened.

What a joke of an administration.


That and he was never Trump's guy. After Flynn got got (as the kids say), Preibus got him to bring on McM as an unapproachable choice. McM has been fighting with the White National guys like that guy that ran to Bannon and Kush to stay longer and Trump think McM talks too much in meetings and is trying to leash Trump (as in advise Trump to much on what is going on, making Trump feel dumb.




Well, if you fok around with the boss, you are going to get reigned in ....


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Bullettyme wrote:
Looks like McMaster is due for the chop this week. Probably because he acknowledged that Russian meddling actually happened.

What a joke of an administration.


That and he was never Trump's guy. After Flynn got got (as the kids say), Preibus got him to bring on McM as an unapproachable choice. McM has been fighting with the White National guys like that guy that ran to Bannon and Kush to stay longer and Trump think McM talks too much in meetings and is trying to leash Trump (as in advise Trump to much on what is going on, making Trump feel dumb.


I hear that Kelly is set to get the chop too, not that his position has been particularly tenable recently...


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President Trump’s personal pilot “is on the administration’s short list to head the Federal Aviation Administration,” Axios reports.
“Trump has told a host of administration officials and associates that he wants John Dunkin — his longtime personal pilot, who flew him around the country on Trump Force One during the campaign — to helm the agency, which has a budget in the billions and which oversees all civil aviation in the United States.”


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Bullettyme wrote:
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Looks like McMaster is due for the chop this week. Probably because he acknowledged that Russian meddling actually happened.

What a joke of an administration.


That and he was never Trump's guy. After Flynn got got (as the kids say), Preibus got him to bring on McM as an unapproachable choice. McM has been fighting with the White National guys like that guy that ran to Bannon and Kush to stay longer and Trump think McM talks too much in meetings and is trying to leash Trump (as in advise Trump to much on what is going on, making Trump feel dumb.


I hear that Kelly is set to get the chop too, not that his position has been particularly tenable recently...


Depends. The key to Trump is the inability to feel shame. Most of us can't kill that part of ourselves, but Trump and his team have. It is why normal scandals that would destroy most other administrations seem to not phase him and his people. Well that, tribalism, FB + Twitter, Russian Bots, Fox News + RWNJ Media.


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Deadtigers wrote:
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Bullettyme wrote:
Looks like McMaster is due for the chop this week. Probably because he acknowledged that Russian meddling actually happened.

What a joke of an administration.


That and he was never Trump's guy. After Flynn got got (as the kids say), Preibus got him to bring on McM as an unapproachable choice. McM has been fighting with the White National guys like that guy that ran to Bannon and Kush to stay longer and Trump think McM talks too much in meetings and is trying to leash Trump (as in advise Trump to much on what is going on, making Trump feel dumb.


I hear that Kelly is set to get the chop too, not that his position has been particularly tenable recently...



Depends. The key to Trump is the inability to feel shame. Most of us can't kill that part of ourselves, but Trump and his team have. It is why normal scandals that would destroy most other administrations seem to not phase him and his people. Well that, tribalism, FB + Twitter, Russian Bots, Fox News + RWNJ Media.



:lol:

Don't tell me you feel shame, DT !


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Bullettyme wrote:
Looks like McMaster is due for the chop this week. Probably because he acknowledged that Russian meddling actually happened.

What a joke of an administration.


To be replaced by neocon hawk John Bolton. The Trump WH is turning into the Weekly Standard's wet dream. So much for the campaign trail rhetoric of ending unnecessary foreign entanglements.


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Bullettyme wrote:
Looks like McMaster is due for the chop this week. Probably because he acknowledged that Russian meddling actually happened.

What a joke of an administration.


To be replaced by neocon hawk John Bolton. The Trump WH is turning into the Weekly Standard's wet dream. So much for the campaign trail rhetoric of ending unnecessary foreign entanglements.


Bolton has been vetted and approved by Fox News, that is all Trump needs. Not to mention the key to working in that white house is you must be liked by Fox and have never said anything bad about Trump. Wife abusers and sexual assault is not a career killer.


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House of clowns continuing to parp it’s joke horn, much to the old Africans delight.


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Bowens wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:
Looks like McMaster is due for the chop this week. Probably because he acknowledged that Russian meddling actually happened.

What a joke of an administration.

To be replaced by neocon hawk John Bolton.
That would be unfortunate. Hopefully this “blows over” as the sources anticipate it may.


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Bowens wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:
Looks like McMaster is due for the chop this week. Probably because he acknowledged that Russian meddling actually happened.

What a joke of an administration.


To be replaced by neocon hawk John Bolton. The Trump WH is turning into the Weekly Standard's wet dream. So much for the campaign trail rhetoric of ending unnecessary foreign entanglements.


Bolton is a complete loon.

The campaign rhetoric was a load of lies, that's been pretty much laid bare with Syria, Russia and his various other warmongering twittatribes.


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Deadtigers wrote:
Bowens wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:
Looks like McMaster is due for the chop this week. Probably because he acknowledged that Russian meddling actually happened.

What a joke of an administration.


To be replaced by neocon hawk John Bolton. The Trump WH is turning into the Weekly Standard's wet dream. So much for the campaign trail rhetoric of ending unnecessary foreign entanglements.


Bolton has been vetted and approved by Fox News, that is all Trump needs. Not to mention the key to working in that white house is you must be liked by Fox and have never said anything bad about Trump. Wife abusers and sexual assault is not a career killer.


FFS, after what Bolton did to Bustani and the OPCW to help the 'Iraqi WMD' farce was appalling. He would be a massive step backwards from HR 'Puffenstuff' McMaster who has been one of the voices of sanity in the current administration.


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Bowens wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:
Looks like McMaster is due for the chop this week. Probably because he acknowledged that Russian meddling actually happened.

What a joke of an administration.


To be replaced by neocon hawk John Bolton. The Trump WH is turning into the Weekly Standard's wet dream. So much for the campaign trail rhetoric of ending unnecessary foreign entanglements.


Bolton has been vetted and approved by Fox News, that is all Trump needs. Not to mention the key to working in that white house is you must be liked by Fox and have never said anything bad about Trump. Wife abusers and sexual assault is not a career killer.


FFS, after what Bolton did to Bustani and the OPCW to help the 'Iraqi WMD' farce was appalling. He would be a massive step backwards from HR 'Puffenstuff' McMaster who has been one of the voices of sanity in the current administration.


I gotta know the origin of this nickname.


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70's TV kids show, that I couldn't spell correctly.


lol. Creepy looking creature. Ever notice that? Look at some old childhood stuff and realize there is no way this would be acceptable for children now. I was reading this thing on twitter about a children's show about forest creatures in England in the 80s and just how violent it was and dealt with creatures dying that in now way would be produced now.


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