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It's a pretty dumb article actually, "inconvenient truths" that people already know about. Most sensible people know it's a fairly grey situation, but go ahead and nod sagely like that article proves it all.

Seems to take the line of "well the Israelis are bad, no doubt, BUT HAMAS ARE WORSE THEY'RE SO BAD". At the end of the day it gets involved in victim blaming, they deserved it by, god forbid, getting involved in a protest.

Big meh from me.



If people know those truths why do they ignore them in their commentaries ?


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What are your garment costs from all the rending? By this stage I imagine you'd need velcro lined clothing so you can patch them back together and re-rend when the next article appears.


This is the tread of the trump renderers. That might be more appropriate on one of the culture wars threads.


Suddenly an image of rendering Trump came to mind, and I imagined how much soap you could make from that fat bastard.


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 11:55 am 
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Fair point. We should probably just run around with our hair on fire rending garments and shrieking at the moon whenever something bad happens. Facts get in the way of that.


Is that what you do everytime you read about a migrant boat trying to cross the Med?


Yes.


What are your garment costs from all the rending? By this stage I imagine you'd need velcro lined clothing so you can patch them back together and re-rend when the next article appears.


I reckon he wears a wig.

That may well account for his apparent affinity for the Orange Shitgibbon. :thumbup:


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 12:44 pm 
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I must say I’m quite sensitive to the truth, because I have stake in the game.

It’s a fudge up.

Who did not predict this outcome? You have to be a fucking idiot to think this wasn’t going to happen as soon as the embassy announcement was made.

All this could have been avoided.

Which explains everything.


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I must say I’m quite sensitive to the truth, because I have stake in the game.

It’s a fudge up.

Who did not predict this outcome? You have to be a fucking idiot to think this wasn’t going to happen as soon as the embassy announcement was made.

All this could have been avoided.

Which explains everything.



Of course you'd have to be an idiot, the protests were organised even before they announced the moving day.


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houtkabouter wrote:
I must say I’m quite sensitive to the truth, because I have stake in the game.

It’s a fudge up.

Who did not predict this outcome? You have to be a fucking idiot to think this wasn’t going to happen as soon as the embassy announcement was made.

All this could have been avoided.

Which explains everything.


Not really. The protests were going on for ages, it's nakba day, there's always protests and a kick off. Basically Israel's independence day and nakba day are the same day. Israel got it's independence, the Arab nations around it disagreed with that and attacked, they lost and lost land as well. It was chosen to open the embassy because it was the independence day I presume, a celebration and a significant day to open it. It's not as though that day has no signficance to Israel and it was chosen purely to piss off the Palestinians.

Trump absolutely should have got something out of Israel for agreeing to open the embassy in Jerusalem, but that would have made no difference to the protests.


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1) Well, they have been protesting for 70 years now. I think it's disingenuous to try to paper over the significance of the Embassy move. Especially when no concessions were wrung from Israel in return.

2) It's human nature, when threatened, to rally behind extremists. Sometimes it seems that the Palestinians are expected to respond to their three generations of oppression with pacifism.

3) Sure, my point was that Israel would ignore it.

The general tone of the article is that it's OK to herd millions of people into an open-air prison and wall them in. If only it was managed slightly better, everything would be grand.


Quite.

Still, at least it goes some way to admitting culpability on the Israeli side which is a damn site more than you get from most US based jewish organisations.


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Seems to take the line of "well the Israelis are bad, no doubt, BUT HAMAS ARE WORSE THEY'RE SO BAD".


Pretty much the only sensible line to take on the whole issue.


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Bullettyme wrote:
It's a pretty dumb article actually, "inconvenient truths" that people already know about. Most sensible people know it's a fairly grey situation, but go ahead and nod sagely like that article proves it all.

Seems to take the line of "well the Israelis are bad, no doubt, BUT HAMAS ARE WORSE THEY'RE SO BAD". At the end of the day it gets involved in victim blaming, they deserved it by, god forbid, getting involved in a protest.

Big meh from me.



If people know those truths why do they ignore them in their commentaries ?


Certainly contradicts your commentary anyway.

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Ok, it's a siege where of course all their basic needs are met, aid and food flood into their besieged areas.


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RuggaBugga wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:
It's a pretty dumb article actually, "inconvenient truths" that people already know about. Most sensible people know it's a fairly grey situation, but go ahead and nod sagely like that article proves it all.

Seems to take the line of "well the Israelis are bad, no doubt, BUT HAMAS ARE WORSE THEY'RE SO BAD". At the end of the day it gets involved in victim blaming, they deserved it by, god forbid, getting involved in a protest.

Big meh from me.



If people know those truths why do they ignore them in their commentaries ?


Certainly contradicts your commentary anyway.

bimboman wrote:
Ok, it's a siege where of course all their basic needs are met, aid and food flood into their besieged areas.



Well not really.


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:27 pm 
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This makes some points that ought to be obvious but sadly seem to pass by many.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/o ... tests.html


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1 of the current 26000 sealed indictments was unsealed yesterday.

Anthony Weiner’s

Interesting to see how that plays out


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https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/i ... d-1.464233


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bimboman wrote:
RuggaBugga wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:
It's a pretty dumb article actually, "inconvenient truths" that people already know about. Most sensible people know it's a fairly grey situation, but go ahead and nod sagely like that article proves it all.

Seems to take the line of "well the Israelis are bad, no doubt, BUT HAMAS ARE WORSE THEY'RE SO BAD". At the end of the day it gets involved in victim blaming, they deserved it by, god forbid, getting involved in a protest.

Big meh from me.



If people know those truths why do they ignore them in their commentaries ?


Certainly contradicts your commentary anyway.

bimboman wrote:
Ok, it's a siege where of course all their basic needs are met, aid and food flood into their besieged areas.



Well not really.


Yes really.


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Bah, nobody has answered my real or fake question about stormy Daniels bangers


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:37 pm 
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Bah, nobody has answered my real or fake question about stormy Daniels bangers



Fake*





*Literally no idea, but what are the odds on a 40 yr old porn star NOT having Plastic Fantastics?


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Raggs wrote:
houtkabouter wrote:
I must say I’m quite sensitive to the truth, because I have stake in the game.

It’s a fudge up.

Who did not predict this outcome? You have to be a fucking idiot to think this wasn’t going to happen as soon as the embassy announcement was made.

All this could have been avoided.

Which explains everything.


Not really. The protests were going on for ages, it's nakba day, there's always protests and a kick off. Basically Israel's independence day and nakba day are the same day. Israel got it's independence, the Arab nations around it disagreed with that and attacked, they lost and lost land as well. It was chosen to open the embassy because it was the independence day I presume, a celebration and a significant day to open it. It's not as though that day has no signficance to Israel and it was chosen purely to piss off the Palestinians.

Trump absolutely should have got something out of Israel for agreeing to open the embassy in Jerusalem, but that would have made no difference to the protests.


I thought Naqba was one day later?


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houtkabouter wrote:
I must say I’m quite sensitive to the truth, because I have stake in the game.

It’s a fudge up.

Who did not predict this outcome? You have to be a fucking idiot to think this wasn’t going to happen as soon as the embassy announcement was made.

All this could have been avoided.

Which explains everything.


Not really. The protests were going on for ages, it's nakba day, there's always protests and a kick off. Basically Israel's independence day and nakba day are the same day. Israel got it's independence, the Arab nations around it disagreed with that and attacked, they lost and lost land as well. It was chosen to open the embassy because it was the independence day I presume, a celebration and a significant day to open it. It's not as though that day has no signficance to Israel and it was chosen purely to piss off the Palestinians.

Trump absolutely should have got something out of Israel for agreeing to open the embassy in Jerusalem, but that would have made no difference to the protests.


I thought Naqba was one day later?


Yeah, hence the basically at the start of that sentence. The embassy was opened on the independence day.


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Bah, nobody has answered my real or fake question about stormy Daniels bangers



Fake*


*Literally no idea, but what are the odds on a 40 yr old porn star NOT having Plastic Fantastics?


I looked her up a while ago and was surprised to see that she's credited with an appearance in Knocked Up. Further research lead me to a clip of that movie where Seth Rogen and Paul Rudd go on a bender in Vegas and strippers put their tits in their faces. Not sure which one was Stormy, but both had fake bangers, IIRC.


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Still, at least it goes some way to admitting culpability on the Israeli side which is a damn site more than you get from most US based jewish organisations.

This is true. Maybe US opinion is softening on Israel in spite (or because) of the Trump administration's unquestioning obedience.

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A truly independent, respected inquiry into Israel’s tactics and rules of engagement in Gaza is necessary to ensure any abuses are punished and create internationally recognized guidelines for how Israel and other state actors should deal with these situations on their borders.


I dont think Israel is interested in that. At all.

I heard the Prime minister declared Jerusalem was the indivisible capital of Israel during the opening of the US embassy. The guy is clearly not interested in finding a solution to that conflict.

His solution is the complete elimination of the Palestinians from Israel. He's found he can play Trump like a marionette and is going for it full throttle, knowing the bloviated one's days are probably numbered.

EDIT: Fake FFS (though epic)


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Israeli Independence Day was the 18-19th of April. I was in Israel at the time, changing someone’s password.


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Israeli Independence Day was the 18-19th of April. I was in Israel at the time, changing someone’s password.


Jewish calendar. May 14th is the date for the Gregorian calender and the one recognised by most the world. Just as nakba day works to the Gregorian rather than Muslim calender (precisely because it's the day after the majority of the world recognises Israel's independence.


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Israeli Independence Day was the 18-19th of April. I was in Israel at the time, changing someone’s password.


Jewish calendar. May 14th is the date for the Gregorian calender and the one recognised by most the world. Just as nakba day works to the Gregorian rather than Muslim calender (precisely because it's the day after the majority of the world recognises Israel's independence.

Waits for the orange shitgibbon to change the date of Israel’s ID...


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Nolanator wrote:
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Bah, nobody has answered my real or fake question about stormy Daniels bangers



Fake*


*Literally no idea, but what are the odds on a 40 yr old porn star NOT having Plastic Fantastics?


I looked her up a while ago and was surprised to see that she's credited with an appearance in Knocked Up. Further research lead me to a clip of that movie where Seth Rogen and Paul Rudd go on a bender in Vegas and strippers put their tits in their faces. Not sure which one was Stormy, but both had fake bangers, IIRC.


Yeah, that's what you looked up :smug:


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This makes some points that ought to be obvious but sadly seem to pass by many.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/o ... tests.html


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On one side was the opening of the American embassy in Jerusalem in the presence of Ivanka Trump, evangelical Christian allies of the White House and Israel’s current political leadership — an event many here found curious and distant from our national life. On the other side was the terrible violence in the desperately poor and isolated territory. The juxtaposition was disturbing.

Another obvious point. Where most (if not all) of this shit started.


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Bokkom wrote:
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This makes some points that ought to be obvious but sadly seem to pass by many.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/o ... tests.html


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On one side was the opening of the American embassy in Jerusalem in the presence of Ivanka Trump, evangelical Christian allies of the White House and Israel’s current political leadership — an event many here found curious and distant from our national life. On the other side was the terrible violence in the desperately poor and isolated territory. The juxtaposition was disturbing.

Another obvious point. Where most (if not all) of this shit started.


The protests and marches had been going on for weeks, leading up to the big one on nakba day. I'm not sure if true, but someone's posted the embassy opening wasn't even announced until after the protest had started.


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Rumham wrote:
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zzzz wrote:
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Bah, nobody has answered my real or fake question about stormy Daniels bangers



Fake*


*Literally no idea, but what are the odds on a 40 yr old porn star NOT having Plastic Fantastics?


I looked her up a while ago and was surprised to see that she's credited with an appearance in Knocked Up. Further research lead me to a clip of that movie where Seth Rogen and Paul Rudd go on a bender in Vegas and strippers put their tits in their faces. Not sure which one was Stormy, but both had fake bangers, IIRC.


Yeah, that's what you looked up :smug:


I googled her and saw the acting credit, so then I looked that scene up on Pornhub. :thumbup: :nod:


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13 INCONVENIENT TRUTHS ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING IN GAZA

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-an ... -explainer


Good article.


Yep.

Indeed. Though

1) The Embassy move massively inflamed the protests. Obviously Trump doesn't care and just wants to throw a bone to his religious fundamentalist support. Netanyahu must think all his Hanukkas have come at once.

2) Hamas is a symptom of Gaza's suffering, not the cause of it. The fundamental cause is Israel.

3) The UN has already made clear Israel's occupation is illegal, what good would another enquiry do?


:thumbup: :thumbup:


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Confirmed fake tits

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.nickis ... s/%3famp=1

It’s nice to know in a world where fake news is discussed, alongside Gaza violence, tragically killed rugby players, depression and suicide threads, and brexit - that there is still a place on the forum where professional men can, whilst being paid to be at work, discuss whether aged famous porn star cumbuckets have fake tits or not.

I like to think that in the House of Lords , or some ftse100 boardroom, or world security council, or some other group of fine intellects making important decisions, there are blokes descretly typing things like “deffo placcy bangers!”


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http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-an ... -explainer

Good article.


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So I see that the mainstream media have outdone themselves today. In what is presumably a cynical attempt to buff the Trump as racist narrative almost every major outlet ran with a story that Trump had said that immigrants are animals and not people. Which would be inexcusable, except for the fact that he didn’t.

A full viewing of the interview makes clear that he was talking about gang members and to report otherwise supposedly reliable outlets (NYT, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, C-Span, AP, etc.) have had to, presumably deliberately, take him out of context.

It’s not good that he berates the “fake news” media. But he ain’t going to stop while they do this.


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http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/262329/gaza-media-explainer

Good article.


The great and good passed judgement on it and decided:

"Meh"


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RuggaBugga wrote:
bimboman wrote:
RuggaBugga wrote:
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Bullettyme wrote:
It's a pretty dumb article actually, "inconvenient truths" that people already know about. Most sensible people know it's a fairly grey situation, but go ahead and nod sagely like that article proves it all.

Seems to take the line of "well the Israelis are bad, no doubt, BUT HAMAS ARE WORSE THEY'RE SO BAD". At the end of the day it gets involved in victim blaming, they deserved it by, god forbid, getting involved in a protest.

Big meh from me.



If people know those truths why do they ignore them in their commentaries ?


Certainly contradicts your commentary anyway.

bimboman wrote:
Ok, it's a siege where of course all their basic needs are met, aid and food flood into their besieged areas.



Well not really.


Yes really.



It questions one small part of my commentary, I assume you support its other assertions them ?


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The correct approach is to say they are as bad as each other but Israel Israel Israel Israel Israel Israel.


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The correct approach is to say they are as bad as each other but Israel Israel Israel Israel Israel Israel.



Nope, looking on here the correct approach is to say Israel Israel Israell and concede of challenged that they are as bad as each other.


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But what does Jeremy Corbyn think. I went for a look and found that it's worse than I thought possible:

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JEREMY Corbyn faces fresh anti-Semitism questions today after it emerged he tried to get Eurovision winner Israel banned from the whole contest.

The hard left Labour leader wanted to disqualify the Jewish state from all European sporting and cultural events.


This is anti-semitism red in hammer and sickle.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6287152/j ... anned-ban/


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The correct approach is to say they are as bad as each other but Israel Israel Israel Israel Israel Israel.


They are both equally bad. But Israel has a very good public relations machine so they get very favorable coverage in most western media. And nobody knows about the atrocities committed by Israeli extremists such as firebombing Palestinian homes or stoning Palestinian children as they walk to school. All people know about is hamas. As a result people have to point them out here.


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Meanwhile Europe has decided they're not going to play ball with Trumpy. Nope, not at all.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/united-against-trump-eu-invokes-measures-to-combat-sanctions/ar-AAxqJUW?ocid=spartandhp


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The correct approach is to say they are as bad as each other but Israel Israel Israel Israel Israel Israel.


They are both equally bad. But Israel has a very good public relations machine so they get very favorable coverage in most western media. And nobody knows about the atrocities committed by Israeli extremists such as firebombing Palestinian homes or stoning Palestinian children as they walk to school. All people know about is hamas. As a result people have to point them out here.


Frankly that is a lie.


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Seems to take the line of "well the Israelis are bad, no doubt, BUT HAMAS ARE WORSE THEY'RE SO BAD".


Pretty much the only sensible line to take on the whole issue.


It shouldn't really surprise anyone that after 70 years of brutal oppression many of the oppressed have ended up quite unhinged.

If I get a puppy, beat it, strave it and lock it in a cage for most of it's life, and it ends up biting me, which one of us deserves the blame?


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