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Was he a signature party to the NDA ?


As Trump's lawyer, aren't he and Trump considered the same entity in law?


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This is it.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... dam-schiff

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Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee, said Wednesday that the panel had seen an “abundance” of evidence of collusion with Russia and obstruction by Donald Trump’s campaign and administration that is not yet public.

Speaking to reporters in Washington, Schiff said a lot of information was already in the public domain that pointed to extensive contacts between the Trump campaign team and the Kremlin, and later efforts by the Trump entourage to cover up those contacts. But Schiff said there was much more to come out.

He said: “There is certainly an abundance of non-public information that we’ve gathered in the investigation. And I think some of that non-public evidence is evidence on the issue of collusion and some … on the issue of obstruction.”


You can't argue with abundance. Impeachment to follow soon methinks.


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Abundance sounds like the sort of word you use when you feel confident about something.


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Abundance sounds like the sort of word you use when you feel confident about something.


Santa said different so it must be true!!


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More here. Schiff advocating for impeachment for moral reasons.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/schif ... le/2649062


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shanky wrote:
Abundance sounds like the sort of word you use when you feel confident about something.


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Should have used 'plethora'.


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Santa wrote:
This is it.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... dam-schiff

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Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee, said Wednesday that the panel had seen an “abundance” of evidence of collusion with Russia and obstruction by Donald Trump’s campaign and administration that is not yet public.

Speaking to reporters in Washington, Schiff said a lot of information was already in the public domain that pointed to extensive contacts between the Trump campaign team and the Kremlin, and later efforts by the Trump entourage to cover up those contacts. But Schiff said there was much more to come out.

He said: “There is certainly an abundance of non-public information that we’ve gathered in the investigation. And I think some of that non-public evidence is evidence on the issue of collusion and some … on the issue of obstruction.”


You can't argue with abundance. Impeachment to follow soon methinks.


How many Watergates is an abundance?
If the Nunes memo was measured at 10 Watergates ( a Decawatergate), does an abundance measure higher or lower? A Kilowatergate?


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Deadtigers wrote:
shanky wrote:
Abundance sounds like the sort of word you use when you feel confident about something.


Santa said different so it must be true!!


So you suffer from opposititis?


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shanky wrote:
Abundance sounds like the sort of word you use when you feel confident about something.


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Should have used 'plethora'.


:lol:
I quite like ‘fvckload’ myself, but I guess he can’t swear on telly


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Micah Lee

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The Intercept has obtained DMs from a private Twitter group with @WikiLeaks and its most loyal supporters. It includes:

- A desire for GOP to win the 2016 election
- Trolling
- Anti-semitism
- Rampant misogyny, sexist attacks on feminists
- Transphobia https://theintercept.com/2018/02/14/jul ... ton-trump/

2:07 PM - Feb 14, 2018


Fair enough

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Assange believed that Clinton’s “role in the war in Libya is what should bring her down, however, the GOP is too close to others who have benefited to exploit this, itseems. That Hillary helped to sew the foundation for ISIS against pentagon generals advice seems huge. But the GOP resolutely ignores it. Hillary has so muc hslime on her shirt it is now hard to make dirt stick.” (Any ability by the Republican Party to leverage Libya against Clinton would have weakened further after Trump, who supported the Libya intervention, became the nominee.)


amazing how Wikileaks became such a right wing evil empire for questioning and leaking Democrats clusterf#cks, they were their darlings when they were leaking Republican stuff


Yes the morality of rapist on the run, is clearly above reproach. I mean he thinks she is the devil which is just his opinion, Bokkom thinks the same with no proof.

Speaking of hypocrisy, any thoughts on Republicans keeping all of the money Steve Wynn has donated to them?


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Turbogoat wrote:
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This is it.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... dam-schiff

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Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee, said Wednesday that the panel had seen an “abundance” of evidence of collusion with Russia and obstruction by Donald Trump’s campaign and administration that is not yet public.

Speaking to reporters in Washington, Schiff said a lot of information was already in the public domain that pointed to extensive contacts between the Trump campaign team and the Kremlin, and later efforts by the Trump entourage to cover up those contacts. But Schiff said there was much more to come out.

He said: “There is certainly an abundance of non-public information that we’ve gathered in the investigation. And I think some of that non-public evidence is evidence on the issue of collusion and some … on the issue of obstruction.”


You can't argue with abundance. Impeachment to follow soon methinks.


How many Watergates is an abundance?
If the Nunes memo was measured at 10 Watergates ( a Decawatergate), does an abundance measure higher or lower? A Kilowatergate?


Interesting how he doesn't have the same reservations about Schiff's comments as he does Dummy Nunes'?


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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
shanky wrote:
Abundance sounds like the sort of word you use when you feel confident about something.


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Should have used 'plethora'.


I think not. Plethora implies excess. I don't think Schiff is saying they have too much evidence of collusion and obstruction, but then again maybe he is. To me abundance speaks more of fertility and nourishment. It is the right word.


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Turbogoat wrote:

How many Watergates is an abundance?
If the Nunes memo was measured at 10 Watergates ( a Decawatergate), does an abundance measure higher or lower? A Kilowatergate?


Could be higher even. There’s 2.54 Decawatergates to 1 Spunkblouse


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Cornucopia. Perhaps they have a cornucopia of evidence.


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Perhaps Schiff is saying that the investigation is pregnant with evidence.


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shanky wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:

How many Watergates is an abundance?
If the Nunes memo was measured at 10 Watergates ( a Decawatergate), does an abundance measure higher or lower? A Kilowatergate?


Could be higher even. There’s 2.54 Decawatergates to 1 Spunkblouse


Spunkblouse? Switching to imperial measurements for our American brethren?
Fair enough, 10 Watergates is roughly equal to 2.25 Nunesgasms, isn't it?


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Santa wrote:
Perhaps Schiff is saying that the investigation is pregnant with evidence.


Maybe the GOP will change their views on Abortions for this one.


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If he said they were tumescent with evidence would that be weird?


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He could say amplitude of evidence but that sounds too technical. It misses the hint of female sexual power that the abundance conveys.


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Santa wrote:
If he said they were tumescent with evidence would that be weird?


:lol: :thumbup:


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Turbogoat wrote:
shanky wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:

How many Watergates is an abundance?
If the Nunes memo was measured at 10 Watergates ( a Decawatergate), does an abundance measure higher or lower? A Kilowatergate?


Could be higher even. There’s 2.54 Decawatergates to 1 Spunkblouse


Spunkblouse? Switching to imperial measurements for our American brethren?
Fair enough, 10 Watergates is roughly equal to 2.25 Nunesgasms, isn't it?


In the spirit on Santa's synonyms, I prefer to use the olde English version of Nunesgasms, aka Treymescence


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Demilich wrote:
I don't think Cohen said Donald Trump didn't reimburse him the money he paid. He said neither the Trump Organisation or Trump Campaign paid him back (which makes sense, as it was in response to the election commission investigating the payment). Looks like a very deliberate avoidance as to whether Trump personally paid him back. As plausible deniability is the only thing that is keeping the entire presidency above water, it would be more shocking if it wasn't very carefully worded that way.


Yet again I think DJTs incredible ability to surround himself with the most incompetent people comes to the fore.

Is Cohen not just digging a bigger hole for himself & Trump here, by saying he paid the hush money himself ?

I mean, given he did so in 2016, in the midst of the campaign; I'd say this constitutes a 130k donation to the Trump campaign, which he made, & which I really doubt was declared in the appropriate forms.If Trump had just paid over the money & gotten the NDA signed, that would be no problem; but now his personal lawyer is admitting campaign funding violations ?


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Deadtigers wrote:

Yes the morality of rapist on the run, is clearly above reproach. I mean he thinks she is the devil which is just his opinion, Bokkom thinks the same with no proof.

Speaking of hypocrisy, any thoughts on Republicans keeping all of the money Steve Wynn has donated to them?


This seems just another intellectually lazy way of ignoring the point by tainting the person with some claim, this time a purported rapist, next time a white supremacist, a misogynist, a privileged white male

But this is always an interesting point, does the morality of someone taint all the things they have ever done or said

Can we appreciate the art of people like Woody Allen, Polanski, Ezra Pound, Pablo Picasso, Max Ernst, Lead Belly, Miles Davis, Phil Spector. Kevin Spacey or any films produced by Harvey Weinstein? Or the thousands of jobs created by Wynn? Or do we burn down the films, the paintings, the music, the books and the casinos?


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_fatprop wrote:
Deadtigers wrote:

Yes the morality of rapist on the run, is clearly above reproach. I mean he thinks she is the devil which is just his opinion, Bokkom thinks the same with no proof.

Speaking of hypocrisy, any thoughts on Republicans keeping all of the money Steve Wynn has donated to them?


This seems just another intellectually lazy way of ignoring the point by tainting the person with some claim, this time a purported rapist, next time a white supremacist, a misogynist, a privileged white male

But this is always an interesting point, does the morality of someone taint all the things they have ever done or said

Can we appreciate the art of people like Woody Allen, Polanski, Ezra Pound, Pablo Picasso, Max Ernst, Lead Belly, Miles Davis, Phil Spector. Kevin Spacey or any films produced by Harvey Weinstein? Or the thousands of jobs created by Wynn? Or do we burn down the films, the paintings, the music, the books and the casinos?


Yup... we are so easily seduced by the sensational and abandon all hope of critical thought.


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_fatprop wrote:
Deadtigers wrote:

Yes the morality of rapist on the run, is clearly above reproach. I mean he thinks she is the devil which is just his opinion, Bokkom thinks the same with no proof.

Speaking of hypocrisy, any thoughts on Republicans keeping all of the money Steve Wynn has donated to them?


This seems just another intellectually lazy way of ignoring the point by tainting the person with some claim, this time a purported rapist, next time a white supremacist, a misogynist, a privileged white male

But this is always an interesting point, does the morality of someone taint all the things they have ever done or said

Can we appreciate the art of people like Woody Allen, Polanski, Ezra Pound, Pablo Picasso, Max Ernst, Lead Belly, Miles Davis, Phil Spector. Kevin Spacey or any films produced by Harvey Weinstein? Or the thousands of jobs created by Wynn? Or do we burn down the films, the paintings, the music, the books and the casinos?


Yup... we are so easily seduced by the sensational and abandon all hope of critical thought.


If you criticize others for taking money from those accused of sexual misconduct, you either tow the same line with your own supporters; or get called a hypocrite; Justifiably !

The GOP made hay out of Harvey Weinstein's association with the Dems, so when Wynn gets accused of exactly the same shit, they made the rod for their own back; & if they don't follow the Dems example & send the money back, or contribute it to charity or something; they deserve all the shit that gets rained down on them.


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If you criticize others for taking money from those accused of sexual misconduct, you either tow the same line with your own supporters; or get called a hypocrite; Justifiably !

The GOP made hay out of Harvey Weinstein's association with the Dems, so when Wynn gets accused of exactly the same shit, they made the rod for their own back; & if they don't follow the Dems example & send the money back, or contribute it to charity or something; they deserve all the shit that gets rained down on them.


That's how it plays out, yeah. I'm not trying to condone poor behaviour but we would be better served in isolating individual acts of poor judgement or bad behaviour and viewing them in the context of an overall career or body of work. Some are serial offenders and deserve condemnation but the political impulse seems to be to write off anyone who makes a mistake and condemn their sorry bedraggled arse to the fires of some hilariously inept standard of US morality hell for all time...

within and outside the US.


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If you criticize others for taking money from those accused of sexual misconduct, you either tow the same line with your own supporters; or get called a hypocrite; Justifiably !

The GOP made hay out of Harvey Weinstein's association with the Dems, so when Wynn gets accused of exactly the same shit, they made the rod for their own back; & if they don't follow the Dems example & send the money back, or contribute it to charity or something; they deserve all the shit that gets rained down on them.


So acceptable standard for morality now is if they do it, it is OK for you to do it?


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Turbogoat wrote:
shanky wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:

How many Watergates is an abundance?
If the Nunes memo was measured at 10 Watergates ( a Decawatergate), does an abundance measure higher or lower? A Kilowatergate?


Could be higher even. There’s 2.54 Decawatergates to 1 Spunkblouse


Spunkblouse? Switching to imperial measurements for our American brethren?
Fair enough, 10 Watergates is roughly equal to 2.25 Nunesgasms, isn't it?


So does email server equal Pi?


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_fatprop wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:
If you criticize others for taking money from those accused of sexual misconduct, you either tow the same line with your own supporters; or get called a hypocrite; Justifiably !

The GOP made hay out of Harvey Weinstein's association with the Dems, so when Wynn gets accused of exactly the same shit, they made the rod for their own back; & if they don't follow the Dems example & send the money back, or contribute it to charity or something; they deserve all the shit that gets rained down on them.


So acceptable standard for morality now is if they do it, it is OK for you to do it?


That is straight from the GOP playbook when challenged on some immoral or potentially illegal acts -- to point immedaitely to Obama or Clinton and say, they did it too.


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_fatprop wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:
If you criticize others for taking money from those accused of sexual misconduct, you either tow the same line with your own supporters; or get called a hypocrite; Justifiably !

The GOP made hay out of Harvey Weinstein's association with the Dems, so when Wynn gets accused of exactly the same shit, they made the rod for their own back; & if they don't follow the Dems example & send the money back, or contribute it to charity or something; they deserve all the shit that gets rained down on them.


So acceptable standard for morality now is if they do it, it is OK for you to do it?


So it is OK for Rona Romney to call out the Dems and the not follow through? You are ducking the point. 1) Did the GoP attack the Dems for Weinstein? Yes! 2) Did they demand the Dems give the money back,? Yes ! Why is that so hard to grasp. If the GOP don't want to argue morality member they should have shut up.


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_fatprop wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:
If you criticize others for taking money from those accused of sexual misconduct, you either tow the same line with your own supporters; or get called a hypocrite; Justifiably !

The GOP made hay out of Harvey Weinstein's association with the Dems, so when Wynn gets accused of exactly the same shit, they made the rod for their own back; & if they don't follow the Dems example & send the money back, or contribute it to charity or something; they deserve all the shit that gets rained down on them.


So acceptable standard for morality now is if they do it, it is OK for you to do it?


No it isn't; but then I'm hardly the target for all the grandstanding from either the GOP, or the DNC; because my memory extends beyond the last news cycle, & I have an attention span longer than a Goldfish.

The problem I have is that the sin I particularly loath in public figures is hypocrisy !

I don't give a shit if their shagging porn stars; or arranging abortions for their mistresses; as long as they don't subsequently get up on their high horse & speak down to the rest of us. It was the same whenever Hilary spoke about the GOPs dodgy campaign finances.


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Like a spineless Trumpkin, Fatprop all of sudden we are pairing too many with a Broad brush when it is Wynn guilty or Assange helping them.

Guy, good people can do very things and vice versa. It just celebrating of Assange was something I never did. The argument is insane.


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I knew someone who named their kid Jameson. Actually my wife has some interesting names in her family - Glendale, Princess, Starwyn. :lol:

Yeah, I get the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing. But in the case of people like Navarro they will leave you high and dry once they get what they want. She is committed to her flawed economic & foreign policy vision for life.

There was was a kid in my brothers final year book called Moon unit. So this kid was born in 70s Dublin with the name Moon Child.


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Alex Jones finding a new low. He tweeted this out while reporting on the Florida school shooting

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I knew the Swarm were behind this...

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NBC news has compiled a database of 200,000 tweets that Twitter identified as "malicious activity" from Russian trolls in the run up to the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

These accounts, working in concert as part of large networks, pushed hundreds of thousands of inflammatory tweets, from fictitious tales of Democrats practicing witchcraft to hardline posts from users masquerading as Black Lives Matter activists. Investigators have traced the accounts to a Kremlin-linked propaganda outfit founded in 2013 known as the Internet Research Association (IRA). The organization has been assessed by the U.S. Intelligence Community to be part of a Russian state-run effort to influence the outcome of the 2016 U.S. presidential race. And they're not done.

"There should be no doubt that Russia perceives its past efforts as successful and views the 2018 US midterm elections as a potential target for Russian influence operations," Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats told the Senate Intelligence Committee Tuesday.

https://boingboing.net/2018/02/14/here- ... ian-t.html


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fishfoodie wrote:
If you criticize others for taking money from those accused of sexual misconduct, you either tow the same line with your own supporters; or get called a hypocrite; Justifiably !

The GOP made hay out of Harvey Weinstein's association with the Dems, so when Wynn gets accused of exactly the same shit, they made the rod for their own back; & if they don't follow the Dems example & send the money back, or contribute it to charity or something; they deserve all the shit that gets rained down on them.


So acceptable standard for morality now is if they do it, it is OK for you to do it?


That is straight from the GOP playbook when challenged on some immoral or potentially illegal acts -- to point immedaitely to Obama or Clinton and say, they did it too.


Agreed, they all do it and blame a previous example from the other side, it doesn't make it right though


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Thought - if Russia really wants to destabilise the US it's best use of any theoretical cyber war division would be to support as many Dem candidates as possible making impeachment a more likely scenario.

If that happened, it'd be a bit hilarious watching both sides (Dem & GOP) contort themselves to try and form a coherent moral position.....


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Like a spineless Trumpkin, Fatprop all of sudden we are pairing too many with a Broad brush when it is Wynn guilty or Assange helping them.

Guy, good people can do very things and vice versa. It just celebrating of Assange was something I never did. The argument is insane.


Your comprehension skills are as lacking as you suggest others are mate.

Sometimes the conversation can be about the idea, and sometimes I actually don't know the right answer and look forward to seeing valuable, insightful points of view.

But I am learning that your comments are generally neither valuable nor insightful.


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_fatprop wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:
If you criticize others for taking money from those accused of sexual misconduct, you either tow the same line with your own supporters; or get called a hypocrite; Justifiably !

The GOP made hay out of Harvey Weinstein's association with the Dems, so when Wynn gets accused of exactly the same shit, they made the rod for their own back; & if they don't follow the Dems example & send the money back, or contribute it to charity or something; they deserve all the shit that gets rained down on them.


So acceptable standard for morality now is if they do it, it is OK for you to do it?


No it isn't; but then I'm hardly the target for all the grandstanding from either the GOP, or the DNC; because my memory extends beyond the last news cycle, & I have an attention span longer than a Goldfish.

The problem I have is that the sin I particularly loath in public figures is hypocrisy !

I don't give a shit if their shagging porn stars; or arranging abortions for their mistresses; as long as they don't subsequently get up on their high horse & speak down to the rest of us. It was the same whenever Hilary spoke about the GOPs dodgy campaign finances.


Fair enough


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