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Can someone explain why getting North Korea to end their nuclear program by lifting sanctions is better than getting Iran to end their nuclear program by lifting sanctions?



Because South Korea isn't Saudi Arabia.


Or maybe because Iran was only freezing its nuclear program rather than ending it. It remains to be what, if anything North Korea actually does, but the rhetoric is for "complete denuclearisation". That is a substantive difference.


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He's right about the first bit - if the economy crashes Trump loses the main foundation of his platform....the bit after that is Maher being his usual self. He's not deranged so much as an entertainer playing to his crowd...the parallel to the Fox crew is pretty appropriate.


The first bit may be so. The second bit makes him and his crowd seems like a bunch of c.unts. I mean talk about a stupid thing to say in terms of the wider political context.


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He's right about the first bit - if the economy crashes Trump loses the main foundation of his platform....the bit after that is Maher being his usual self. He's not deranged so much as an entertainer playing to his crowd...the parallel to the Fox crew is pretty appropriate.


The first bit may be so. The second bit makes him and his crowd seems like a bunch of c.unts. I mean talk about a stupid thing to say in terms of the wider political context.


It's definitely extreme, but I can see how you can get to 'recession as chemotherapy' - poison to kill the cancer. He's a dick for wishing for it, but it's not the stupidest thing he's said.


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https://mobile.twitter.com/91Shahji/sta ... 5082427393

Just priceless reaction.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:02 am 
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He's right about the first bit - if the economy crashes Trump loses the main foundation of his platform....the bit after that is Maher being his usual self. He's not deranged so much as an entertainer playing to his crowd...the parallel to the Fox crew is pretty appropriate.


The first bit may be so. The second bit makes him and his crowd seems like a bunch of c.unts. I mean talk about a stupid thing to say in terms of the wider political context.


It's definitely extreme, but I can see how you can get to 'recession as chemotherapy' - poison to kill the cancer. He's a dick for wishing for it, but it's not the stupidest thing he's said.


Really? Shucks. Well the diagnosis and the treatment are off. Trump is simply not a threat to democracy. He just isn't.

I'm afraid Trump Derangement Syndrome is causing people to lose sight of the facts and to contemplate letting slip the disciplines of democracy.


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He's right about the first bit - if the economy crashes Trump loses the main foundation of his platform....the bit after that is Maher being his usual self. He's not deranged so much as an entertainer playing to his crowd...the parallel to the Fox crew is pretty appropriate.


The first bit may be so. The second bit makes him and his crowd seems like a bunch of c.unts. I mean talk about a stupid thing to say in terms of the wider political context.


It's definitely extreme, but I can see how you can get to 'recession as chemotherapy' - poison to kill the cancer. He's a dick for wishing for it, but it's not the stupidest thing he's said.


Really? Shucks. Well the diagnosis and the treatment are off. Trump is simply not a threat to democracy. He just isn't.

I'm afraid Trump Derangement Syndrome is causing people to lose sight of the facts and to contemplate letting slip the disciplines of democracy.


I think he is a threat to democracy, but he's not the only one, and getting rid of him is not a panacea for all the problems that face democracy in the western world. Am I deranged?


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https://mobile.twitter.com/91Shahji/status/1006415765082427393

Just priceless reaction.

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penguin wrote:
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He's right about the first bit - if the economy crashes Trump loses the main foundation of his platform....the bit after that is Maher being his usual self. He's not deranged so much as an entertainer playing to his crowd...the parallel to the Fox crew is pretty appropriate.


The first bit may be so. The second bit makes him and his crowd seems like a bunch of c.unts. I mean talk about a stupid thing to say in terms of the wider political context.


It's definitely extreme, but I can see how you can get to 'recession as chemotherapy' - poison to kill the cancer. He's a dick for wishing for it, but it's not the stupidest thing he's said.


Really? Shucks. Well the diagnosis and the treatment are off. Trump is simply not a threat to democracy. He just isn't.

I'm afraid Trump Derangement Syndrome is causing people to lose sight of the facts and to contemplate letting slip the disciplines of democracy.


I think he is a threat to democracy, but he's not the only one, and getting rid of him is not a panacea for all the problems that face democracy in the western world. Am I deranged?


I just don't think he is. What's the litmus test for you? For me it's the question what would he do if he lost an election? Answer: nothing. That is why he is no threat. An actual dictator would not accept the result and would act accordingly. The Trump administration abides by court rulings, it abides by election results, it operates within the confines of the checks on executive power, it doesn't in fact interfere with investigations despite the rhetoric, it actually does all the technical things it is supposed to. Aside from some of the operational and personality quirks, it technically operates in line with previous administrations. From that point of view it is unexceptional.


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"Ok everybody, got your pictures. Make us look nice and thin."


Well that sums it up. A photo op, with the next one to come tomorrow.

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Santa wrote:
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He's right about the first bit - if the economy crashes Trump loses the main foundation of his platform....the bit after that is Maher being his usual self. He's not deranged so much as an entertainer playing to his crowd...the parallel to the Fox crew is pretty appropriate.


The first bit may be so. The second bit makes him and his crowd seems like a bunch of c.unts. I mean talk about a stupid thing to say in terms of the wider political context.


It's definitely extreme, but I can see how you can get to 'recession as chemotherapy' - poison to kill the cancer. He's a dick for wishing for it, but it's not the stupidest thing he's said.


Really? Shucks. Well the diagnosis and the treatment are off. Trump is simply not a threat to democracy. He just isn't.

I'm afraid Trump Derangement Syndrome is causing people to lose sight of the facts and to contemplate letting slip the disciplines of democracy.

What makes you sure that Donny isn’t a threat to democracy? He doesn’t seem to respect democratic institutions or any checks on his power.


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I just don't think he is. What's the litmus test for you? For me it's the question what would he do if he lost an election? Answer: nothing. That is why he is no threat. An actual dictator would not accept the result and would act accordingly. The Trump administration abides by court rulings, it abides by election results, it operates within the confines of the checks on executive power, it doesn't in fact interfere with investigations despite the rhetoric, it actually does all the technical things it is supposed to. Aside from some of the operational and personality quirks, it technically operates in line with previous administrations. From that point of view it is unexceptional.


The wider context is of non-democratic countries like China and Russia flexing their muscles on the world stage and Trump making eyes at them, supporting their interests and backing them over allies. Everything he does in terms of international diplomacy, or whatever the hell we call what he is doing, leans towards authoritarian over democratic, unilateral decision making over consensus. He's creating a division between the US and western allies that was unthinkable until he came along. At this stage it is reversible, but it is still a threat and saying he hasn't broken things yet does not mean the path he is taking isn't without long term cost.

Internally the litmus test will be Mueller and how he reacts to any negative consequences for him, his family and cronies. We'll see how well he stays within the bounds of process then, but it's the wider, global consequences that I think he really threatens on.


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I just don't think he is. What's the litmus test for you? For me it's the question what would he do if he lost an election? Answer: nothing. That is why he is no threat. An actual dictator would not accept the result and would act accordingly. The Trump administration abides by court rulings, it abides by election results, it operates within the confines of the checks on executive power, it doesn't in fact interfere with investigations despite the rhetoric, it actually does all the technical things it is supposed to. Aside from some of the operational and personality quirks, it technically operates in line with previous administrations. From that point of view it is unexceptional.


The wider context is of non-democratic countries like China and Russia flexing their muscles on the world stage and Trump making eyes at them, supporting their interests and backing them over allies. Everything he does in terms of international diplomacy, or whatever the hell we call what he is doing, leans towards authoritarian over democratic, unilateral decision making over consensus. He's creating a division between the US and western allies that was unthinkable until he came along. At this stage it is reversible, but it is still a threat and saying he hasn't broken things yet does not mean the path he is taking isn't without long term cost.

Internally the litmus test will be Mueller and how he reacts to any negative consequences for him, his family and cronies. We'll see how well he stays within the bounds of process then, but it's the wider, global consequences that I think he really threatens on.

Yup, the Mueller investigation is indeed the litmus test and he and his cronies/enablers have been trying to delegitimize it for months now. Just like he’s been delegitimizing the press and stacking the courts. There are far too many warning signs for people to be sure that Drumpf isn’t a threat to democracy.


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I know it's not exactly an important news story but Avenatti is suggesting he may have Giuliani's porn watching history...

https://www.theroot.com/stormy-daniels-lawyer-michael-avenatti-wanted-evidence-1826728077

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Michael Avenatti

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Mr. Giuliani: my client deserves an apology for your sexist, disgusting, comments about her and women in general. I strongly suggest you provide one. Are you really taking the position that you have not viewed porn in the last year? Ever hear of something called an IP address?...

1:43 PM - Jun 11, 2018


It's not big, it's not clever...it's is however quite funny.


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I just don't think he is. What's the litmus test for you? For me it's the question what would he do if he lost an election? Answer: nothing. That is why he is no threat. An actual dictator would not accept the result and would act accordingly. The Trump administration abides by court rulings, it abides by election results, it operates within the confines of the checks on executive power, it doesn't in fact interfere with investigations despite the rhetoric, it actually does all the technical things it is supposed to. Aside from some of the operational and personality quirks, it technically operates in line with previous administrations. From that point of view it is unexceptional.


The wider context is of non-democratic countries like China and Russia flexing their muscles on the world stage and Trump making eyes at them, supporting their interests and backing them over allies. Everything he does in terms of international diplomacy, or whatever the hell we call what he is doing, leans towards authoritarian over democratic, unilateral decision making over consensus. He's creating a division between the US and western allies that was unthinkable until he came along. At this stage it is reversible, but it is still a threat and saying he hasn't broken things yet does not mean the path he is taking isn't without long term cost.

Internally the litmus test will be Mueller and how he reacts to any negative consequences for him, his family and cronies. We'll see how well he stays within the bounds of process then, but it's the wider, global consequences that I think he really threatens on.


I think you're conflating too many things there. International relations is not really a place where democracy operates because democracy is a system of government and those operate within nation states not between them.

It might be worth separating out the (supposed) domestic threat and the (supposed) international threat.

For a starter:

Domestically, even if he pardons everyone who is successfully prosecuted by Mueller, and it is determined that he is within his rights to do so, that does not in itself pose any threat to democracy. There may be legal and/or constitutional issues to sort through that he will be compelled to follow whatever results. He will also have to wear the political consequences of that at the next election. He will not subvert the democratic process which is fundamentally about political representation.

Internationally, I fail to see how engaging with China and Russia is a threat to democracy given that neither country is a democracy or looks like becoming one any time soon. Where is this threat? What is it? Which democracies are threatened by it. They are pursuing their interests as they did before Trump. Are they emboldened by Trump? I fail to see any evidence for that.


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theaxe wrote:
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penguin wrote:
Santa wrote:
penguin wrote:
He's right about the first bit - if the economy crashes Trump loses the main foundation of his platform....the bit after that is Maher being his usual self. He's not deranged so much as an entertainer playing to his crowd...the parallel to the Fox crew is pretty appropriate.


The first bit may be so. The second bit makes him and his crowd seems like a bunch of c.unts. I mean talk about a stupid thing to say in terms of the wider political context.


It's definitely extreme, but I can see how you can get to 'recession as chemotherapy' - poison to kill the cancer. He's a dick for wishing for it, but it's not the stupidest thing he's said.


Really? Shucks. Well the diagnosis and the treatment are off. Trump is simply not a threat to democracy. He just isn't.

I'm afraid Trump Derangement Syndrome is causing people to lose sight of the facts and to contemplate letting slip the disciplines of democracy.

What makes you sure that Donny isn’t a threat to democracy? He doesn’t seem to respect democratic institutions or any checks on his power.


I suggest you look beyond what he says to what he does. He complies with the checks on his power.


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Santa wrote:
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I just don't think he is. What's the litmus test for you? For me it's the question what would he do if he lost an election? Answer: nothing. That is why he is no threat. An actual dictator would not accept the result and would act accordingly. The Trump administration abides by court rulings, it abides by election results, it operates within the confines of the checks on executive power, it doesn't in fact interfere with investigations despite the rhetoric, it actually does all the technical things it is supposed to. Aside from some of the operational and personality quirks, it technically operates in line with previous administrations. From that point of view it is unexceptional.


The wider context is of non-democratic countries like China and Russia flexing their muscles on the world stage and Trump making eyes at them, supporting their interests and backing them over allies. Everything he does in terms of international diplomacy, or whatever the hell we call what he is doing, leans towards authoritarian over democratic, unilateral decision making over consensus. He's creating a division between the US and western allies that was unthinkable until he came along. At this stage it is reversible, but it is still a threat and saying he hasn't broken things yet does not mean the path he is taking isn't without long term cost.

Internally the litmus test will be Mueller and how he reacts to any negative consequences for him, his family and cronies. We'll see how well he stays within the bounds of process then, but it's the wider, global consequences that I think he really threatens on.


I think you're conflating too many things there. International relations is not really a place where democracy operates because democracy is a system of government and those operate within nation states not between them.

It might be worth separating out the (supposed) domestic threat and the (supposed) international threat.

For a starter:

Domestically, even if he pardons everyone who is successfully prosecuted by Mueller, and it is determined that he is within his rights to do so, that does not in itself pose any threat to democracy. There may be legal and/or constitutional issues to sort through that he will be compelled to follow whatever results. He will also have to wear the political consequences of that at the next election. He will not subvert the democratic process which is fundamentally about political representation.

Internationally, I fail to see how engaging with China and Russia is a threat to democracy given that neither country is a democracy or looks like becoming one any time soon. Where is this threat? What is it? Which democracies are threatened by it. They are pursuing their interests as they did before Trump. Are they emboldened by Trump? I fail to see any evidence for that.


I'm about to watch the under 20s on TV, but briefly I think that the very fact that non-democratic nations are getting better treatment, the benefit of him advocating for them on the world stage, and at the same time he's creating division with the true democratic nations is a huge PR coup for these torturing, war criminal, human rights abusing, shoot our political opponents and journalist critics with impunity, motherf*ckers. They are legitimised and the role of democratic nations diminished. Right...rugby.


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I know it's not exactly an important news story but Avenatti is suggesting he may have Giuliani's porn watching history...

https://www.theroot.com/stormy-daniels-lawyer-michael-avenatti-wanted-evidence-1826728077

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Mr. Giuliani: my client deserves an apology for your sexist, disgusting, comments about her and women in general. I strongly suggest you provide one. Are you really taking the position that you have not viewed porn in the last year? Ever hear of something called an IP address?...

1:43 PM - Jun 11, 2018


It's not big, it's not clever...it's is however quite funny.


Those two deserve each other. Two complete attention seeking hacks. Giuliani should probably know better though, look at the state of him. That clown was once a man who faced down the 5 families.


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Bullettyme wrote:
That clown was once a man who faced down the 5 families.


I wonder if he ever used spi....I mean informants?


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robmatic wrote:
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Can someone explain why getting North Korea to end their nuclear program by lifting sanctions is better than getting Iran to end their nuclear program by lifting sanctions?


Because Iran didn’t?

And they continue to fund terrorism in the Middle East.


Everybody and his dog funds terrorism in the Middle East, and when was that part of the deal with the nuclear program?


As part of this deal, North Korea have agreed not to fund terrorism in the Middle East.

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robmatic wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
BokJock wrote:
Can someone explain why getting North Korea to end their nuclear program by lifting sanctions is better than getting Iran to end their nuclear program by lifting sanctions?


Because Iran didn’t?

And they continue to fund terrorism in the Middle East.


Everybody and his dog funds terrorism in the Middle East, and when was that part of the deal with the nuclear program?


As part of this deal, North Korea have agreed not to fund terrorism in the Middle East.

Donny 1-0 Kenyan


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Bullettyme wrote:
penguin wrote:
I know it's not exactly an important news story but Avenatti is suggesting he may have Giuliani's porn watching history...

https://www.theroot.com/stormy-daniels-lawyer-michael-avenatti-wanted-evidence-1826728077

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Michael Avenatti

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Mr. Giuliani: my client deserves an apology for your sexist, disgusting, comments about her and women in general. I strongly suggest you provide one. Are you really taking the position that you have not viewed porn in the last year? Ever hear of something called an IP address?...

1:43 PM - Jun 11, 2018


It's not big, it's not clever...it's is however quite funny.


Those two deserve each other. Two complete attention seeking hacks. Giuliani should probably know better though, look at the state of him. That clown was once a man who faced down the 5 families.


You tell him. Think how little he's seen and knows compared to you.


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
You tell him. Think how little he's seen and knows compared to you.


Whatever he saw and knew was in his his former life. All that is left is the husk of the man, haunting cable new channels like a restless spirit.


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I just checked and I see he's 74. Still a spring chicken. Sure the presentation gets a little rough around the edges at that age. I quite like that trump has a pretty mature team. Wilbur Ross must be about 104.


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I just checked and I see he's 74. Still a spring chicken. Sure the presentation gets a little rough around the edges at that age. I quite like that trump has a pretty mature team. Wilbur Ross must be about 104.


Depends if you ask the White House doctor - he will confirm that Wilbur is a perfectly healthy 34 year old.


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I just don't think he is. What's the litmus test for you? For me it's the question what would he do if he lost an election? Answer: nothing. That is why he is no threat. An actual dictator would not accept the result and would act accordingly. The Trump administration abides by court rulings, it abides by election results, it operates within the confines of the checks on executive power, it doesn't in fact interfere with investigations despite the rhetoric, it actually does all the technical things it is supposed to. Aside from some of the operational and personality quirks, it technically operates in line with previous administrations. From that point of view it is unexceptional.


The wider context is of non-democratic countries like China and Russia flexing their muscles on the world stage and Trump making eyes at them, supporting their interests and backing them over allies. Everything he does in terms of international diplomacy, or whatever the hell we call what he is doing, leans towards authoritarian over democratic, unilateral decision making over consensus. He's creating a division between the US and western allies that was unthinkable until he came along. At this stage it is reversible, but it is still a threat and saying he hasn't broken things yet does not mean the path he is taking isn't without long term cost.

Internally the litmus test will be Mueller and how he reacts to any negative consequences for him, his family and cronies. We'll see how well he stays within the bounds of process then, but it's the wider, global consequences that I think he really threatens on.


I think you're conflating too many things there. International relations is not really a place where democracy operates because democracy is a system of government and those operate within nation states not between them.

It might be worth separating out the (supposed) domestic threat and the (supposed) international threat.

For a starter:

Domestically, even if he pardons everyone who is successfully prosecuted by Mueller, and it is determined that he is within his rights to do so, that does not in itself pose any threat to democracy. There may be legal and/or constitutional issues to sort through that he will be compelled to follow whatever results. He will also have to wear the political consequences of that at the next election. He will not subvert the democratic process which is fundamentally about political representation.

Internationally, I fail to see how engaging with China and Russia is a threat to democracy given that neither country is a democracy or looks like becoming one any time soon. Where is this threat? What is it? Which democracies are threatened by it. They are pursuing their interests as they did before Trump. Are they emboldened by Trump? I fail to see any evidence for that.


I'm about to watch the under 20s on TV, but briefly I think that the very fact that non-democratic nations are getting better treatment, the benefit of him advocating for them on the world stage, and at the same time he's creating division with the true democratic nations is a huge PR coup for these torturing, war criminal, human rights abusing, shoot our political opponents and journalist critics with impunity, motherf*ckers. They are legitimised and the role of democratic nations diminished. Right...rugby.


We'll have to disagree on this one. I don't think any of that is substantial. What is the impact of this PR coup? I suggest nothing. What is the the impact of this diminishing? Again, I suggest nothing. Putin was already rampaging before Trump. Obama did nothing to stop it, and may have even enabled it. Those are actual impacts. Does that mean Obama was a threat to democracy?


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Pat buchanan gets inside trumps mind on the G7 situation:

http://buchanan.org/blog/behind-trumps- ... ion-129460

Of any commentator buchanan has been consistently closer to trump than anyone so he's always a valuable read.


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We'll have to disagree on this one. I don't think any of that is substantial. What is the impact of this PR coup? I suggest nothing. What is the the impact of this diminishing? Again, I suggest nothing. Putin was already rampaging before Trump. Obama did nothing to stop it, and may have even enabled it. Those are actual impacts. Does that mean Obama was a threat to democracy?


We'll certainly have to disagree. I think he'll have a profound impact. In the short term it will be negative, and in the longer term I believe positive, as previously lazy support for democracy is galvanised into a more robust defence of the worst form of government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.

I'd rather the negative period was as short as possible, but if he stays in power longer it is possible that the positive long term effect might be more profound.


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We'll have to disagree on this one. I don't think any of that is substantial. What is the impact of this PR coup? I suggest nothing. What is the the impact of this diminishing? Again, I suggest nothing. Putin was already rampaging before Trump. Obama did nothing to stop it, and may have even enabled it. Those are actual impacts. Does that mean Obama was a threat to democracy?


We'll certainly have to disagree. I think he'll have a profound impact. In the short term it will be negative, and in the longer term I believe positive, as previously lazy support for democracy is galvanised into a more robust defence of the worst form of government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.

I'd rather the negative period was as short as possible, but if he stays in power longer it is possible that the positive long term effect might be more profound.
You're very black and white aren’t you?


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We'll have to disagree on this one. I don't think any of that is substantial. What is the impact of this PR coup? I suggest nothing. What is the the impact of this diminishing? Again, I suggest nothing. Putin was already rampaging before Trump. Obama did nothing to stop it, and may have even enabled it. Those are actual impacts. Does that mean Obama was a threat to democracy?


We'll certainly have to disagree. I think he'll have a profound impact. In the short term it will be negative, and in the longer term I believe positive, as previously lazy support for democracy is galvanised into a more robust defence of the worst form of government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.

I'd rather the negative period was as short as possible, but if he stays in power longer it is possible that the positive long term effect might be more profound.
You're very black and white aren’t you?


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I know it's not exactly an important news story but Avenatti is suggesting he may have Giuliani's porn watching history...

https://www.theroot.com/stormy-daniels-lawyer-michael-avenatti-wanted-evidence-1826728077

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Mr. Giuliani: my client deserves an apology for your sexist, disgusting, comments about her and women in general. I strongly suggest you provide one. Are you really taking the position that you have not viewed porn in the last year? Ever hear of something called an IP address?...

1:43 PM - Jun 11, 2018


It's not big, it's not clever...it's is however quite funny.


Those two deserve each other. Two complete attention seeking hacks. Giuliani should probably know better though, look at the state of him. That clown was once a man who faced down the 5 families.


You tell him. Think how little he's seen and knows compared to you.


A nicely irrelevant ditty thrown in for zero reason but pure spite and animosity. Rent free.


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penguin wrote:
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We'll have to disagree on this one. I don't think any of that is substantial. What is the impact of this PR coup? I suggest nothing. What is the the impact of this diminishing? Again, I suggest nothing. Putin was already rampaging before Trump. Obama did nothing to stop it, and may have even enabled it. Those are actual impacts. Does that mean Obama was a threat to democracy?


We'll certainly have to disagree. I think he'll have a profound impact. In the short term it will be negative, and in the longer term I believe positive, as previously lazy support for democracy is galvanised into a more robust defence of the worst form of government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.

I'd rather the negative period was as short as possible, but if he stays in power longer it is possible that the positive long term effect might be more profound.
You're very black and white aren’t you?


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:lol:

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We'll have to disagree on this one. I don't think any of that is substantial. What is the impact of this PR coup? I suggest nothing. What is the the impact of this diminishing? Again, I suggest nothing. Putin was already rampaging before Trump. Obama did nothing to stop it, and may have even enabled it. Those are actual impacts. Does that mean Obama was a threat to democracy?


We'll certainly have to disagree. I think he'll have a profound impact. In the short term it will be negative, and in the longer term I believe positive, as previously lazy support for democracy is galvanised into a more robust defence of the worst form of government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.

I'd rather the negative period was as short as possible, but if he stays in power longer it is possible that the positive long term effect might be more profound.



Putin ran riot over the previous administration.....


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President Deals getting wiped by Noko.


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:
penguin wrote:
I know it's not exactly an important news story but Avenatti is suggesting he may have Giuliani's porn watching history...

https://www.theroot.com/stormy-daniels-lawyer-michael-avenatti-wanted-evidence-1826728077

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Michael Avenatti

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Mr. Giuliani: my client deserves an apology for your sexist, disgusting, comments about her and women in general. I strongly suggest you provide one. Are you really taking the position that you have not viewed porn in the last year? Ever hear of something called an IP address?...

1:43 PM - Jun 11, 2018


It's not big, it's not clever...it's is however quite funny.


Those two deserve each other. Two complete attention seeking hacks. Giuliani should probably know better though, look at the state of him. That clown was once a man who faced down the 5 families.


You tell him. Think how little he's seen and knows compared to you.


:lol: wtf ?....no....no....you suck


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Mueller has a bit of a prickly judge on his hands.

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A federal judge has ordered Special Counsel Robert Mueller to identify by Friday all of the individuals and companies involved in former Trump-campaign chairman Paul Manafort’s Ukraine-lobbying operation.

Mueller will be required to turn over to the defense the names of top European politicians who participated in Manafort’s efforts to lobby on behalf of Ukraine without registering as a foreign agent, as is required under U.S. law, Politico first reported.

The Tuesday ruling also requires the special counsel to identify other witnesses whose testimony Manafort has been accused of trying to influence — an accusation that resulted in two new felony obstruction of justice charges last week.

“While the government may be correct that the law does not necessarily require the Court to order the requested disclosure, the Court has broad discretion to resolve a motion for a bill of particulars after weighing the parties’ interests, and here, defendant is obliged to prepare for a complex trial with a voluminous record within a relatively short period of time, and he should not have to be surprised at a later point by the addition of a new name or allegation,” U.S. District Court judge Amy Berman Jackson wrote.
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The decision is a welcome relief for Manafort’s embattled defense team, which is currently representing him in federal courts in Virginia, where Jackson is presiding, and Washington, D.C., where their client faces faces charges of money laundering, failing to register as a foreign agent, and obstruction of justice. Manafort has pleaded not guilty to all charges.
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While Mueller’s attorneys resisted calls to identify the other witnesses in the case — likely due to the constraints placed on their ability to charge individuals and companies not currently on the list — the most prominent individuals that will likely be named, including former Italian prime minister Romano Prodi and former Austrian chancellor Alfred Gusenbauer, who have both acknowledged involvement in Manafort’s foreign-lobbying campaign.

Mueller’s team must hand over the list of names to Manafort’s lawyers by Friday but will not be required to make the names public.


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Impressive deal so far, I can see why you guys were so keen to get him into the White House. That was some crazy magic he pulled, I bet Kim is still puzzled at how he did it.


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Impressive deal so far, I can see why you guys were so keen to get him into the White House. That was some crazy magic he pulled, I bet Kim is still puzzled at how he did it.

One of the most incompetent bits of errr.....statesmanship on behalf of a POTUS.
Genuinely awful.


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His pot shots at Robert De Niro are classic :lol:

He's quite refreshing is old Trump. Insane, but oddly effective and anyone that clearly hates Hollywood as much as him must be ok.


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Pat buchanan gets inside trumps mind on the G7 situation:

http://buchanan.org/blog/behind-trumps- ... ion-129460

Of any commentator buchanan has been consistently closer to trump than anyone so he's always a valuable read.



What you really mean is that Buchanan knows the minds of the faceless billionaires who are manipulating the Orange Buffoon and his coterie.


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Impressive deal so far, I can see why you guys were so keen to get him into the White House. That was some crazy magic he pulled, I bet Kim is still puzzled at how he did it.

One of the most incompetent bits of errr.....statesmanship on behalf of a POTUS.
Genuinely awful.


Have you seen the movie trailer for the summit?


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