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His pot shots at Robert De Niro are classic :lol:

He's quite refreshing is old Trump. Insane, but oddly effective and anyone that clearly hates Hollywood as much as him must be ok.

If you're five years old, maybe.


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guy smiley wrote:
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Impressive deal so far, I can see why you guys were so keen to get him into the White House. That was some crazy magic he pulled, I bet Kim is still puzzled at how he did it.

One of the most incompetent bits of errr.....statesmanship on behalf of a POTUS.
Genuinely awful.


Have you seen the movie trailer for the summit?


Incredible stuff :lol:

He also described the Chairman as a 'very talented' because he took over the country at 26 and "ran it tough".

Glad to see he is going to stop those 'provocative' military exercises.

He really does have this quirk of totally believing the last person he talked to (especially they are a dictator/president-for-life).

Democratically elected allies can fudge off because they are meek and mild and are liars that deserve a special place in hell.

I am still genuinely failing to see how there is any difference in lifting sanctions on North Korea and lifting sanctions on Iran for getting rid of the nuclear program?


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Serious question.
Does anyone within the US authorities take any notice of what Trump may say ?
You know, like BoJo, are the diplomats saying behind his back to ignore what he says, because nobody in the States shall implement it anyway.


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This thread remains as deranged as ever I see.


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BokJock wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
houtkabouter wrote:
Impressive deal so far, I can see why you guys were so keen to get him into the White House. That was some crazy magic he pulled, I bet Kim is still puzzled at how he did it.

One of the most incompetent bits of errr.....statesmanship on behalf of a POTUS.
Genuinely awful.


Have you seen the movie trailer for the summit?


Incredible stuff :lol:

He also described the Chairman as a 'very talented' because he took over the country at 26 and "ran it tough".

Glad to see he is going to stop those 'provocative' military exercises.

He really does have this quirk of totally believing the last person he talked to (especially they are a dictator/president-for-life).

Democratically elected allies can fudge off because they are meek and mild and are liars that deserve a special place in hell.

I am still genuinely failing to see how there is any difference in lifting sanctions on North Korea and lifting sanctions on Iran for getting rid of the nuclear program?



as long as they finish with.....have you been working out or something, you look like you've lost weight, not that you needed to but....


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BokJock wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
houtkabouter wrote:
Impressive deal so far, I can see why you guys were so keen to get him into the White House. That was some crazy magic he pulled, I bet Kim is still puzzled at how he did it.

One of the most incompetent bits of errr.....statesmanship on behalf of a POTUS.
Genuinely awful.


Have you seen the movie trailer for the summit?


Incredible stuff :lol:

He also described the Chairman as a 'very talented' because he took over the country at 26 and "ran it tough".

Glad to see he is going to stop those 'provocative' military exercises.

He really does have this quirk of totally believing the last person he talked to (especially they are a dictator/president-for-life).

Democratically elected allies can fudge off because they are meek and mild and are liars that deserve a special place in hell.

I am still genuinely failing to see how there is any difference in lifting sanctions on North Korea and lifting sanctions on Iran for getting rid of the nuclear program?


It has been explained but we may have to go back to basics. Do you understand the difference between 'freezing' a nuclear program and 'ending' a nuclear program? The key is in the words freeze and end.


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Looks like Trump gave in to all North Korea demands. Pretty shit negotiations skills.


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Santa wrote:
BokJock wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
houtkabouter wrote:
Impressive deal so far, I can see why you guys were so keen to get him into the White House. That was some crazy magic he pulled, I bet Kim is still puzzled at how he did it.

One of the most incompetent bits of errr.....statesmanship on behalf of a POTUS.
Genuinely awful.


Have you seen the movie trailer for the summit?


Incredible stuff :lol:

He also described the Chairman as a 'very talented' because he took over the country at 26 and "ran it tough".

Glad to see he is going to stop those 'provocative' military exercises.

He really does have this quirk of totally believing the last person he talked to (especially they are a dictator/president-for-life).

Democratically elected allies can fudge off because they are meek and mild and are liars that deserve a special place in hell.

I am still genuinely failing to see how there is any difference in lifting sanctions on North Korea and lifting sanctions on Iran for getting rid of the nuclear program?


It has been explained but we may have to go back to basics. Do you understand the difference between 'freezing' a nuclear program and 'ending' a nuclear program? The key is in the words freeze and end.


I am STILL genuinely failing to see how there is any difference in lifting sanctions on North Korea and lifting sanctions on Iran for getting rid of the nuclear program?


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I am STILL genuinely failing to see how there is any difference in lifting sanctions on North Korea and lifting sanctions on Iran for getting rid of the nuclear program?


Iran, unlike North Korea, is actually an active hot war combatant on the battlefields of its neighbouring countries. One of the countries threatened directly by Iran has extremely good connections in Washington. Extremely good. Like seriously extremely fcking GOOD. If I say any more I will get zapped.


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
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I am STILL genuinely failing to see how there is any difference in lifting sanctions on North Korea and lifting sanctions on Iran for getting rid of the nuclear program?


Iran, unlike North Korea, is actually an active hot war combatant on the battlefields of its neighbouring countries. One of the countries threatened directly by Iran has extremely good connections in Washington. Extremely good. Like seriously extremely fcking GOOD. If I say any more I will get zapped.


That is a genuinely good answer to my question. I would say two of the countries though...

The previous freezing answer is bollocks


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It is 'pop' journalism but - not everyone sees the summit as a good thing.

https://nowthisnews.com/videos/politics/conservatives-criticize-the-north-korean-summit


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Impressive deal so far, I can see why you guys were so keen to get him into the White House. That was some crazy magic he pulled, I bet Kim is still puzzled at how he did it.


So the US gives up:
1. Military Exercises

NK gives up:
Nothing

They say they will give up testing, but they have said that before. Also, they have a nukes now, so while testing is nice, it is not necessary.
They have "decommissioned" their test site, but intelligence reports found the site collapsed during the last test anyway, so no really concession there.
No inspections, nada.

And both Trump and Rocketman get a photo op. That's it.

NK 1 Trump 0


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BokJock wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
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I am STILL genuinely failing to see how there is any difference in lifting sanctions on North Korea and lifting sanctions on Iran for getting rid of the nuclear program?


Iran, unlike North Korea, is actually an active hot war combatant on the battlefields of its neighbouring countries. One of the countries threatened directly by Iran has extremely good connections in Washington. Extremely good. Like seriously extremely fcking GOOD. If I say any more I will get zapped.


That is a genuinely good answer to my question. I would say two of the countries though...

The previous freezing answer is bollocks


I only give good answers. :smug:

But seriously though, anyone looking for consistency of principles in statecraft, is on a fool's errand.


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BokJock wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
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I am STILL genuinely failing to see how there is any difference in lifting sanctions on North Korea and lifting sanctions on Iran for getting rid of the nuclear program?


Iran, unlike North Korea, is actually an active hot war combatant on the battlefields of its neighbouring countries. One of the countries threatened directly by Iran has extremely good connections in Washington. Extremely good. Like seriously extremely fcking GOOD. If I say any more I will get zapped.


That is a genuinely good answer to my question. I would say two of the countries though...

The previous freezing answer is bollocks


It's not bollocks it is pointing out that your question is incorrectly specified because IRAN WAS NOT GETTING RID ITS NUCLEAR PROGRAM. So aside from any other differences, the lifting of sanctions are (notionally at this stage) linked to different processes. It remains to be seen, of course, what NK actually does. It may be nothing in the end. But if your question had been correctly specified in the first instance your would have seen that it was nonsensical from the outset. To wit:

I am STILL genuinely failing to see how there is any difference in lifting sanctions on North Korea for ending its nuclear program and lifting sanctions on Iran for freezing its nuclear program?

Pedantic? Yes. Correct? Yes. :thumbup:


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https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status ... 2972928000

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Seneca of the Night wrote:
https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1005845062972928000

:thumbup:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYsaC2CADs0

I'm not sure what to make of this video Trump says he played for KJU


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
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I am STILL genuinely failing to see how there is any difference in lifting sanctions on North Korea and lifting sanctions on Iran for getting rid of the nuclear program?


Iran, unlike North Korea, is actually an active hot war combatant on the battlefields of its neighbouring countries. One of the countries threatened directly by Iran has extremely good connections in Washington. Extremely good. Like seriously extremely fcking GOOD. If I say any more I will get zapped.


Saudi Arabia are the good guys remember......and unlike NK anyone associated with a nuclear program in Iran had a daily colonoscopy by the IAEA and cameras everywhere they went....to the 3 or 4 potential nuclear sites they have .....so he walks away from that deal and decides to stop joint military exercises in South Korea in return for ......? kinda like the deal with the Israeli's and the Palestinians.....the Art of the giveaway.


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Santa wrote:
BokJock wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
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I am STILL genuinely failing to see how there is any difference in lifting sanctions on North Korea and lifting sanctions on Iran for getting rid of the nuclear program?


Iran, unlike North Korea, is actually an active hot war combatant on the battlefields of its neighbouring countries. One of the countries threatened directly by Iran has extremely good connections in Washington. Extremely good. Like seriously extremely fcking GOOD. If I say any more I will get zapped.


That is a genuinely good answer to my question. I would say two of the countries though...

The previous freezing answer is bollocks


It's not bollocks it is pointing out that your question is incorrectly specified because IRAN WAS NOT GETTING RID ITS NUCLEAR PROGRAM. So aside from any other differences, the lifting of sanctions are (notionally at this stage) linked to different processes. It remains to be seen, of course, what NK actually does. It may be nothing in the end. But if your question had been correctly specified in the first instance your would have seen that it was nonsensical from the outset. To wit:

I am STILL genuinely failing to see how there is any difference in lifting sanctions on North Korea for ending its nuclear program and lifting sanctions on Iran for freezing its nuclear program?

Pedantic? Yes. Correct? Yes. :thumbup:


My question was fully answered by SOTN, thanks anyway


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1005845062972928000

:thumbup:


:lol:


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Apparently Kim said that he loves his people, Trump can only go on what he has been told by the talented Kim. So he has no choice but to believe him.

That sneaky Canadian guy on the other hand is probably in cahoots with Robert de Niro


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Trump is simply not a threat to democracy. He just isn't.

Whether he is or he isn't that's a pretty low bar.


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Trump is simply not a threat to democracy. He just isn't.

Whether he is or he isn't that's a pretty low bar.


Not being a threat to democracy is probably the only bar for not being a threat to democracy. Is there a better/ higher one?


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Santa wrote:
Waratah wrote:
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Trump is simply not a threat to democracy. He just isn't.

Whether he is or he isn't that's a pretty low bar.


Not being a threat to democracy is probably the only bar for not being a threat to democracy. Is there a better/ higher one?

Hmmm. Interesting.
I trust the true democrats will remove him asap once they realise democracy is being threatened.


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Actual quote from Trump when asked if Kim will go through with the "deal"

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“Honestly, I think he’s going to do these things. I may be wrong; I mean, I may stand before you in six months and say, ‘Hey, I was wrong,’” he said during a press conference, adding, “I don’t know that I’ll ever admit that, but I’ll find some kind of an excuse.”


Sums up Trump and his followers quite nicely...


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Worst negotiator in history. Giving up military exercises with SK is a criminal betrayal by a US President. I bet Putin is pleased though.


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BokJock wrote:
Actual quote from Trump when asked if Kim will go through with the "deal"

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“Honestly, I think he’s going to do these things. I may be wrong; I mean, I may stand before you in six months and say, ‘Hey, I was wrong,’” he said during a press conference, adding, “I don’t know that I’ll ever admit that, but I’ll find some kind of an excuse.”


Sums up Trump and his followers quite nicely...

:lol:
Most people peddle shit, but few will admit they have to find an excuse after being caught out.


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Bokkom wrote:
BokJock wrote:
Actual quote from Trump when asked if Kim will go through with the "deal"

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“Honestly, I think he’s going to do these things. I may be wrong; I mean, I may stand before you in six months and say, ‘Hey, I was wrong,’” he said during a press conference, adding, “I don’t know that I’ll ever admit that, but I’ll find some kind of an excuse.”


Sums up Trump and his followers quite nicely...

:lol:
Most people peddle shit, but few will admit they have to find an excuse after being caught out.


It's a funny one alright: criticising Trump for being honest.


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Worst negotiator in history. Giving up military exercises with SK is a criminal betrayal by a US President. I bet Putin is pleased though.

No wonder he bankrupted casinos.

In other news, it seems that Cohen is prepped to flip.


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So when will The Don be impeached ?


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Welcome back WT.


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Thanks, Seneca. Good to be back.

And to see how well you've kept this thread rolling ... They STILL manage to froth at the mention of Donald's name ...


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Thanks, Seneca. Good to be back.

And to see how well you've kept this thread rolling ... They STILL manage to froth at the mention of Donald's name ...


It's an easy crowd. It's like doing the early Saturday evening warmup for Sinatra at the Sands.


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Wilson's Toffee wrote:
Thanks, Seneca. Good to be back.

And to see how well you've kept this thread rolling ... They STILL manage to froth at the mention of Donald's name ...


It's an easy crowd. It's like doing the early Saturday evening warmup for Sinatra at the Sands.



They are a good bunch, keep me amused when here.


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Floppykid wrote:
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Worst negotiator in history. Giving up military exercises with SK is a criminal betrayal by a US President. I bet Putin is pleased though.

No wonder he bankrupted casinos.

In other news, it seems that Cohen is prepped to flip.

Let's be quite sure about one thing, if it had been a Democratic president that had just done what Trump's done Fox headlines for the next month would be how the President had betrayed the country with every GOP politician revilling him from dawn to dusk.

Expecting Cohen to have any morals or actual loyalty is like thinking Wilson's Toffee has a shred of political empathy. Not that he's flipped yet, but he's out of time to complete his review of materials before they get handed over to an independent review, only 162 of 300,000 items viewed so far have been deemed covered by client-attorney privilege and 3 items requesting privilege by Cohen or Trump's mob were declined.


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Flockwitt wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
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Worst negotiator in history. Giving up military exercises with SK is a criminal betrayal by a US President. I bet Putin is pleased though.

No wonder he bankrupted casinos.

In other news, it seems that Cohen is prepped to flip.

Let's be quite sure about one thing, if it had been a Democratic president that had just done what Trump's done Fox headlines for the next month would be how the President had betrayed the country with every GOP politician revilling him from dawn to dusk.

Expecting Cohen to have any morals or actual loyalty is like thinking Wilson's Toffee has a shred of political empathy. Not that he's flipped yet, but he's out of time to complete his review of materials before they get handed over to an independent review, only 162 of 300,000 items viewed so far have been deemed covered by client-attorney privilege and 3 items requesting privilege by Cohen or Trump's mob were declined.


You reckon Cohen's got all the collusion and obstruction evidence that will definitely put Trump away?


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Flockwitt wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
Zico wrote:
Worst negotiator in history. Giving up military exercises with SK is a criminal betrayal by a US President. I bet Putin is pleased though.

No wonder he bankrupted casinos.

In other news, it seems that Cohen is prepped to flip.

Let's be quite sure about one thing, if it had been a Democratic president that had just done what Trump's done Fox headlines for the next month would be how the President had betrayed the country with every GOP politician revilling him from dawn to dusk.

Expecting Cohen to have any morals or actual loyalty is like thinking Wilson's Toffee has a shred of political empathy. Not that he's flipped yet, but he's out of time to complete his review of materials before they get handed over to an independent review, only 162 of 300,000 items viewed so far have been deemed covered by client-attorney privilege and 3 items requesting privilege by Cohen or Trump's mob were declined.

Apparently the only reason he doesn't have new lawyers yet to handle his flip negotiations is that he hasn't paid his current lawyers. Sound like anybody we know?


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McCabe panicking too. He'suing the DoJ AND demanding immunity in exchange for his testimony to a Senate committee hearing on the FBI investigation into Clinton’s emails. I wonder who he'll flip on.

Messy.

http://www.newsweek.com/why-andrew-mcca ... ent-973978


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Saint wrote:
Flockwitt wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
Zico wrote:
Worst negotiator in history. Giving up military exercises with SK is a criminal betrayal by a US President. I bet Putin is pleased though.

No wonder he bankrupted casinos.

In other news, it seems that Cohen is prepped to flip.

Let's be quite sure about one thing, if it had been a Democratic president that had just done what Trump's done Fox headlines for the next month would be how the President had betrayed the country with every GOP politician revilling him from dawn to dusk.

Expecting Cohen to have any morals or actual loyalty is like thinking Wilson's Toffee has a shred of political empathy. Not that he's flipped yet, but he's out of time to complete his review of materials before they get handed over to an independent review, only 162 of 300,000 items viewed so far have been deemed covered by client-attorney privilege and 3 items requesting privilege by Cohen or Trump's mob were declined.

Apparently the only reason he doesn't have new lawyers yet to handle his flip negotiations is that he hasn't paid his current lawyers. Sound like anybody we know?

Apparently the Trump org was paying part of his bills, there's speculation this is him signalling/begging for more support.


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