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His way of declaring war on Saudi Arabia?


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I mean this G7 thing, c’mon - that is African dictator level brazenness of corruption


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I mean this G7 thing, c’mon - that is African dictator level brazenness of corruption


Many many pages ago someone posted a link to a video where they were saying Trump was actually very presidential. But that we just had the continent wrong. Some of the comparisons were scarily accurate. :lol:


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Letter to Schiff outlining all the bullshit impeachment irregularities


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WTF is the orange loon babbling on about now?

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We’ve taken control of the oil in the Middle East, the oil that we’re talking about, the oil that everybody was worried about. We have the U.S. control of that,” Trump said, minutes after concluding a talk with the first two women astronauts to participate in an all-women spacewalk.



Hold-up. So now meddling in the middle east to control the oil is a good thing? I thought that was BAD, swampy, Killary type stuff?

Any idea how this sudden control of all the oil happened anyway?


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I've just seem him claim the Kurds are very happy with what's happening in Syria.


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Erdogan meeting Putin on 22nd , Kurds now aligned with Syrian Government so hopefully we may see Turkey pull back.


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18ChinsOfChinatown wrote:
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Anddddddddddddd Turkey has announced a ceasefire with the Kurds


Probably because there's no more left to obliterate.

If you belief that Erdogan has the slightest intention of holding to any ceasefire, you are probably as certifiable as Trump.

I don't, clearly.

Clearly.

There are posters who seem to feel that this ceasefire is some kind of sign that Trump acted with some thought, rather than being played by Erdogan.


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Rinkals wrote:
18ChinsOfChinatown wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
18ChinsOfChinatown wrote:
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Anddddddddddddd Turkey has announced a ceasefire with the Kurds


Probably because there's no more left to obliterate.

If you belief that Erdogan has the slightest intention of holding to any ceasefire, you are probably as certifiable as Trump.

I don't, clearly.

Clearly.

There are posters who seem to feel that this ceasefire is some kind of sign that Trump acted with some thought, rather than being played by Erdogan.


Therein lies the problem.


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I mean this G7 thing, c’mon - that is African dictator level brazenness of corruption


Many many pages ago someone posted a link to a video where they were saying Trump was actually very presidential. But that we just had the continent wrong. Some of the comparisons were scarily accurate. :lol:


This is so blatant, I just did a tender for some work in West Africa where we had to declare any relationship with our directors and government officials...

...you would hope the USA would similar tender qualification criteria.

But no matter, I am sure the Trump organisation will release all the financials to show that all 6 countries (and possibly Russia) will only have been charged mates rates


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18ChinsOfChinatown wrote:
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Probably because there's no more left to obliterate.

If you belief that Erdogan has the slightest intention of holding to any ceasefire, you are probably as certifiable as Trump.

I don't, clearly.

Clearly.

There are posters who seem to feel that this ceasefire is some kind of sign that Trump acted with some thought, rather than being played by Erdogan.


Therein lies the problem.

4D chess.

If we think it's the product of a senile madman who wasn't terribly bright to start with, it's because Trump is six or seven steps ahead of us and the end game will come when he's elected for his third term.


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Rinkals wrote:
4D chess.

If we think it's the product of a senile madman who wasn't terribly bright to start with, it's because Trump is six or seven steps ahead of us and the end game will come when he's elected for his third term.


Qanon


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Rinkals wrote:
4D chess.

If we think it's the product of a senile madman who wasn't terribly bright to start with, it's because Trump is six or seven steps ahead of us and the end game will come when he's elected for his third term.


Qanon


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I'm sure it's entirely coincidental that the hotel chosen for the G7 had a financial battering last year.


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https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2019/10/18/trump-syria-ceasefire-npw-pkg-the-brief-intl-vpx.cnn

CNN, so not a reliable source like Brietbart.


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“Having a draft dodger come and lecture us about what service to the country means or how hard it is to lose troops in combat is hypocrisy at its worst."


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Is Sondland going to testify? If so he's never getting the Secretary of State role he's after, but he might well be taking the view he's not paid $1 million for his job so he can go to jail to protect Trump



Seems it's a yes, and he's throwing Trump under the bus and then using forward and reverse gears to drive the point home


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Looks like someone's told Donny that the G7 isn't such a great decision and Camp David I'd the likely replacement. Apparently he was honestly surprised at the levels of resistance


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But Mulveny said it was all above board and everyone would just have to get used to it?!?


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But Mulveny said it was all above board and everyone would just have to get used to it?!?


The getting used to it appears to gave been over-stated.


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But Mulveny said it was all above board and everyone would just have to get used to it?!?


The getting used to it appears to gave been over-stated.

I think we have to "get used" to the fact that there are no checks or balances to a President who is unencumbered by any norms and whose sense of entitlement allows him to act with complete disregard for his own country's interests subjugating those to his own.

It's only because Trump is so undeniably crass that has placed the House in his political opponent's hands which has allowed a limited measure of restraint, and even that has been difficult with Trump impeding impeachment proceedings.

I saw John Oliver's piece last night (re-broadcast on DSTV a week late) and he draws attention to good work done by the US Government Weather Services and the opposition that various private weather firms like AccuWeather have to allowing public access to information that has saved lives and Trump's determination to close it down by installing AccuWeather's owners to head it up.

For those who find Oliver's brand of hyperbole a little difficult to take, there is a precise of the show here.

Hopefully, Trump can be stopped from doing more damage, but I'm not confident that the American electorate are sufficiently well informed to remove him from office in 2020.


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Mulvaney on the way out perhaps, and Trump doesn't know the difference between a phone call and a letter, neither is really a surprise.


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Jesus you guys. This page is the most brutal takedown of a political leader that I have ever seen on an internet forum. You guys ARE the change. :thumbup:


I think you should substitute "failed demagogue"


So you agree he's not a demagogue.

Agree with whom?

It's never been clear what you/Seneca are arguing for/against.

It isn't support for Trump himself as no-one in their right mind would dare argue he's an admirable man let alone fit to be President. It isn't support for conservatism or the GOP as he's not a conservative nor a Republican. It's certainly not his advocacy for the common man as neither of you are common men, nor stupid enough to think he'd give a shit about you if you were.

It can't simply be because of what he isn't, or what he opposes (Clinton, Obama, Democrats, socialists etc) because you don't need to defend such an appalling human being to oppose any of those things. Nor is it Trump alone who stands as a prophylactic against the latter two examples. If anything the reverse is true.

Which leaves Devil's advocacy/trolling/arguing for the sake of it, none of which stand for anything except a fondness for argument for its own sake. This would seem the best excuse, given I'm quite fond of that, too. But I also have a care for my own credibility, which would rule out any defence of a man who is clearly a congenital scumbag and a f**king idiot.

So what is it? Shits & giggles? The challenge of defending the indefensible? Habitual contrarianism? Have you backed yourselves into a Butch & Sundance corner which you'll defend to the death rather than admit defeat? What is it that you actually believe? Do you even know?

Genuinely curious.


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Waratah, why do you think Tucker Carlson broadly supports Trump? Or Victor Davis Hanson?


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Waratah, why do you think Tucker Carlson broadly supports Trump? Or Victor Davis Hanson?

Tucker Carlson thinks the metric system is a NWO conspiracy. Nothing can be gained by speculating why he supports anything other than for ratings. I cannot speak intelligently of VDH as I'm scarcely familiar with him.

I'm more interested to know from you, in your own words, WTF you defend a man like Trump, if indeed you really do.


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Waratah, why do you think Tucker Carlson broadly supports Trump? Or Victor Davis Hanson?

Tucker Carlson thinks the metric system is a NWO conspiracy. Nothing can be gained by speculating why he supports anything other than for ratings. I cannot speak intelligently of VDH as I'm scarcely familiar with him.

I'm more interested to know from you, in your own words, WTF you defend a man like Trump, if indeed you really do.


Well, that's just an idiotic response, so I'm not going to bother taking this any further.


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
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Waratah, why do you think Tucker Carlson broadly supports Trump? Or Victor Davis Hanson?

Tucker Carlson thinks the metric system is a NWO conspiracy. Nothing can be gained by speculating why he supports anything other than for ratings. I cannot speak intelligently of VDH as I'm scarcely familiar with him.

I'm more interested to know from you, in your own words, WTF you defend a man like Trump, if indeed you really do.


Well, that's just an idiotic response, so I'm not going to bother taking this any further.

My mistake. I took you for a reasonably intelligent person who could speak for himself rather than hide behind such academic luminaries as Tucker Carlson.

Perhaps Santa can have a go. I'm sure he'll be along any minute.


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Waratah wrote:
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Waratah wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Waratah, why do you think Tucker Carlson broadly supports Trump? Or Victor Davis Hanson?

Tucker Carlson thinks the metric system is a NWO conspiracy. Nothing can be gained by speculating why he supports anything other than for ratings. I cannot speak intelligently of VDH as I'm scarcely familiar with him.

I'm more interested to know from you, in your own words, WTF you defend a man like Trump, if indeed you really do.


Well, that's just an idiotic response, so I'm not going to bother taking this any further.

My mistake. I took you for a reasonably intelligent person who could speak for himself rather than hide behind such academic luminaries as Tucker Carlson.

Perhaps Santa can have a go. I'm sure he'll be along any minute.


You're not going to act in good faith, so I can't be arsed. If you want to have a serious conversation about this, there will be a little bit of reading for you to do, but given that you're not remotely interested in doing any against the grain reading at all, it's a waste of time.


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Waratah wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Waratah, why do you think Tucker Carlson broadly supports Trump? Or Victor Davis Hanson?

Tucker Carlson thinks the metric system is a NWO conspiracy. Nothing can be gained by speculating why he supports anything other than for ratings. I cannot speak intelligently of VDH as I'm scarcely familiar with him.

I'm more interested to know from you, in your own words, WTF you defend a man like Trump, if indeed you really do.


Well, that's just an idiotic response, so I'm not going to bother taking this any further.

My mistake. I took you for a reasonably intelligent person who could speak for himself rather than hide behind such academic luminaries as Tucker Carlson.

Perhaps Santa can have a go. I'm sure he'll be along any minute.


You're not going to act in good faith, so I can't be arsed. If you want to have a serious conversation about this, there will be a little bit of reading for you to do, but given that you're not remotely interested in doing any against the grain reading at all, it's a waste of time.

It was a simple question. Here it is again.

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I'm more interested to know from you, in your own words, WTF you defend a man like Trump, if indeed you really do.

If you don't want to answer it, that's fine, I understand completely. Anyone might struggle with it. But spare me the fog of stupifactory bullshit. If you have to ask someone to do some preparatory reading lest they won't understand your answer to a simple question, you've just got your dick in your hand.


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Waratah wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Waratah wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Waratah wrote:
Tucker Carlson thinks the metric system is a NWO conspiracy. Nothing can be gained by speculating why he supports anything other than for ratings. I cannot speak intelligently of VDH as I'm scarcely familiar with him.

I'm more interested to know from you, in your own words, WTF you defend a man like Trump, if indeed you really do.


Well, that's just an idiotic response, so I'm not going to bother taking this any further.

My mistake. I took you for a reasonably intelligent person who could speak for himself rather than hide behind such academic luminaries as Tucker Carlson.

Perhaps Santa can have a go. I'm sure he'll be along any minute.


You're not going to act in good faith, so I can't be arsed. If you want to have a serious conversation about this, there will be a little bit of reading for you to do, but given that you're not remotely interested in doing any against the grain reading at all, it's a waste of time.

It was a simple question. Here it is again.

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I'm more interested to know from you, in your own words, WTF you defend a man like Trump, if indeed you really do.

If you don't want to answer it, that's fine, I understand completely. Anyone might struggle with it. But spare me the fog of stupifactory bullshit. If you have to ask someone to do some preparatory reading lest they won't understand your answer to a simple question, you've just got your dick in your hand.


Santa & Seneca only ever answer tough questions like that with another question. Or by suggesting you read up on some irrelevant source.

Both love a non-sequitur.

Kudos to you for putting him on the spot, but he'll never answer a straightforward question with a straightforward answer.

Because he can't.


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From everything I've read on here I think Santa and Seneca see a world that is increasingly complex and the big issues of the day hard to resolve, hampered by bureaucracy, gummed up in the wheels of inefficient democracy, without a truly towering intellect, strong will and clear vision. There are none of these people currently on the world stage, and politicans are unable to rise to the challenge, hamstrung by the system and their own fallibility. In light of this multi-faceted, globe spanning gordian knot they can see that unpicking it is not the answer, you need an Alexandrian solution. A sword to cut through to the heart of the problem. For them Trump is that simple tool...and on one level I agree.


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Santa & Seneca only ever answer tough questions like that with another question. Or by suggesting you read up on some irrelevant source.

Both love a non-sequitur.

Kudos to you for putting him on the spot, but he'll never answer a straightforward question with a straightforward answer.

Because he can't.

He can. He just won't, in this instance.

I've known Seneca almost 20 years. We've set the world to rights over beers in Sydney and London. He's no fool and he knows I'm not either.

So the suggestion that I'll need to study before I can understand his answer to my question is an extraordinary conceit.

This is what happens when bright people find themselves defending Trump.


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Waratah wrote:
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Santa & Seneca only ever answer tough questions like that with another question. Or by suggesting you read up on some irrelevant source.

Both love a non-sequitur.

Kudos to you for putting him on the spot, but he'll never answer a straightforward question with a straightforward answer.

Because he can't.

He can. He just won't, in this instance.

I've known Seneca a long time, we've set the world to rights over beers in Sydney and London. He's no fool and he knows I'm not either.

So the suggestion that I'll need to study before I can understand his answer to my question is an extraordinary conceit.

This is what happens when bright people find themselves defending Trump.


You will need to do some reading before we can agree on the terms of such a discussion. I can't speak for Santa, as I don't believe he supports Trump at all, but this thread, and some others on here is littered with me explaining my position. I don't answer direct questions on here; never have, never will.


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From everything I've read on here I think Santa and Seneca see a world that is increasingly complex and the big issues of the day hard to resolve, hampered by bureaucracy, gummed up in the wheels of inefficient democracy, without a truly towering intellect, strong will and clear vision. There are none of these people currently on the world stage, and politicans are unable to rise to the challenge, hamstrung by the system and their own fallibility. In light of this multi-faceted, globe spanning gordian knot they can see that unpicking it is not the answer, you need an Alexandrian solution. A sword to cut through to the heart of the problem. For them Trump is that simple tool...and on one level I agree.


I will say one thing, I think it was always one of the great baffling questions of history: how did the Roman Republic collapse into Empire. It's a lot clearer to me at least how that happened. I suspect to many others too.

(cue Brazil chiming in on Ronald Syme...)


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
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From everything I've read on here I think Santa and Seneca see a world that is increasingly complex and the big issues of the day hard to resolve, hampered by bureaucracy, gummed up in the wheels of inefficient democracy, without a truly towering intellect, strong will and clear vision. There are none of these people currently on the world stage, and politicans are unable to rise to the challenge, hamstrung by the system and their own fallibility. In light of this multi-faceted, globe spanning gordian knot they can see that unpicking it is not the answer, you need an Alexandrian solution. A sword to cut through to the heart of the problem. For them Trump is that simple tool...and on one level I agree.


I will say one thing, I think it was always one of the great baffling questions of history: how did the Roman Republic collapse into Empire. It's a lot clearer to me at least how that happened. I suspect to many others too.

(cue Brazil chiming in on Ronald Syme...)


I'm not going to get into a debate about the fall of Empire, Augustus and the parallels with fascism...I came here to make a 'Trump is a tool' joke and that is all.


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
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Santa & Seneca only ever answer tough questions like that with another question. Or by suggesting you read up on some irrelevant source.

Both love a non-sequitur.

Kudos to you for putting him on the spot, but he'll never answer a straightforward question with a straightforward answer.

Because he can't.

He can. He just won't, in this instance.

I've known Seneca a long time, we've set the world to rights over beers in Sydney and London. He's no fool and he knows I'm not either.

So the suggestion that I'll need to study before I can understand his answer to my question is an extraordinary conceit.

This is what happens when bright people find themselves defending Trump.


You will need to do some reading before we can agree on the terms of such a discussion. I can't speak for Santa, as I don't believe he supports Trump at all, but this thread, and some others on here is littered with me explaining my position. I don't answer direct questions on here; never have, never will.

A policy of not answering direct questions is inherently evasive, a curiosity of its own, but this is not my experience of nearly 20 years reading your posts. If you have so often explained your position on Trump, you should be able to summarise it without difficulty. It shouldn't require any prior reading on my part.


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