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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:56 pm 
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How many rallies does trump hold?

Also, who the fúck goes to a rally? (On either side, I just can't comprehend it)


he holds as many rallies as his staff can get him to with a view to stop him having any time to make decisions he's authorised if woefully unprepared for.

we should celebrate his time holding rallies, golfing, and even his executive time


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Sorry, neither a Trump bashing nor fluffing post... an interesting article here about there are now more woman employed in the USA than men.

https://us.yahoo.com/money/women-workforce-215211122.html


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Sorry, neither a Trump bashing nor fluffing post... an interesting article here about there are now more woman employed in the USA than men.

https://us.yahoo.com/money/women-workforce-215211122.html


Well, that's progress.


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We think its disappointing that there are rugby follower types gullible enough to believe the patently makey uppy stuff that elements of the Dem favoring meeja produce. Look, over there, a squirrel.

C'mon Woody, you were the one who posted the 'undisputed fact' that Biden’s son, Pelosi’s son, Romney’s son and Kerry’s son were all on the board of directors for energy companies doing business in Ukraine


Well, it isn't too difficult to read the company fillings listing them as Directors and the salaries they received - any Duck Duck Go search will give links to articles listing them.
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Steyer and Bloomberg are massively outspending every other presidential candidate. Bloomberg is seemingly willing to keep doing so even if he's not the Democratic nominee, don't know about Steyer.

For a billionaire Trump is spending... less than Yang. Now in part Trump is already the nominee, given the party has banned anyone running against him, but you might almost conclude he's not actually that rich


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https://twitter.com/KaitMarieox/status/1215700610852454400

:lol:

just another nutter with TDS.


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Hang on, is that Hong Kong? :shock:


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TDS affects both sides. It's just the nature of the derangement that varies.


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interesting take by david brooks

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/opin ... nytopinion

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Trump Has Made Us All Stupid

The decline of discourse in the anti-Trump echo chamber.


Donald Trump is impulse-driven, ignorant, narcissistic and intellectually dishonest. So you’d think that those of us in the anti-Trump camp would go out of our way to show we’re not like him — that we are judicious, informed, mature and reasonable.

But the events of the past week have shown that the anti-Trump echo chamber is becoming a mirror image of Trump himself — overwrought, uncalibrated and incapable of having an intelligent conversation about any complex policy problem.

For example, there’s a complex policy problem at the heart of this week’s Iran episode. Iran is not powerful because it has a strong economy or military. It is powerful because it sponsors militias across the Middle East, destabilizing regimes and spreading genocide and sectarian cleansing. Over the past few years those militias, orchestrated by Qassim Suleimani, have felt free to operate more in the open with greater destructive effect.

We’re not going to go in and destroy the militias. So how can we keep them in check so they don’t destabilize the region? That’s the hard problem — one that stymied past administrations.

In the Middle East, and wherever there are protracted conflicts, nations have a way to address this problem. They use violence as a form of communication. A nation trying to maintain order will assassinate a terrorism leader or destroy a terrorism facility. The attack says: “Hey, we know we’re in a long-term conflict, but let’s not let it get out of hand. That’s not in either of our interests.”

The attack is a way to seize control of the escalation process and set a boundary marker.

These sorts of operations have risks and rewards. A risk is that it won’t cease the escalation, just accelerate it. The radicals on the other side will get enraged and take to the streets. Their leaders will have to appease that rage.

A reward is that maybe you do halt the escalation. The other side implicitly says: “Message received. We’ll do some face-saving things to appease the streets, but we don’t want this to get out of hand, either.” Another reward is that you’ve managed to eliminate an effective terrorist like Suleimani. Talent doesn’t grow on trees.

The decision to undertake this sort of operation is a matter of weighing risk and reward. And after the Suleimani killing, you saw American security professionals talk in the language of balancing risk and reward. Stanley McChrystal, a retired general, and Michael Mullen, a retired admiral, thought it was worth the risk. Susan Rice, a former national security adviser, thought it wasn’t.

But in the anti-Trump echo chamber, that’s not how most people were thinking. Led by Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, they avoided the hard, complex problem of how to set boundaries around militias. Instead, they pontificated on the easy question not actually on the table: Should we have a massive invasion of Iran?

A great cry went up from the echo chamber. We’re on the brink of war! Trump is leading us to more endless wars in the Middle East! We’re on the precipice of total chaos! This was not the calibrated language of risk and reward. It was fear-stoking apocalyptic language. By being so overwrought and exaggerated, the echo chamber drowned out any practical conversation about how to stabilize the Middle East so we could have another righteous chorus of “Donald Trump is a monster!”

This is Trump’s ultimate victory. Every argument on every topic is now all about him. Hating Trump together has become the ultimate bonding, attention-grabbing and profit-maximization mechanism for those of us in anti-Trump world. So you get a series of exaggerated fervors — the Mueller report! Impeachment! The Steele dossier! — that lead ultimately nowhere.

Most of this week’s argument about the Middle East wasn’t really about the Middle East. It was all narcissistically about ourselves! Democrats defend terrorists! Republicans are warmongers! Actual Iranians are just bit players in our imperialistic soap opera, the passive recipients of our greatness or perfidy.

The world is more complicated than this cartoon. Love or hate him, Trump has used military force less than any other president since Jimmy Carter. When it comes to foreign policy, he is not like recent Republicans. He is, as my colleague Ross Douthat put it, a Jacksonian figure, wanting to get America out of foreign entanglements while lobbing a few long-distance attacks to ensure the crazy foreigners stick to killing one another and not us.

And this is the final paradox. For all the Sturm und Drang that surrounds Trump, populist Republicans and Democrats are gravitating toward the same foreign policy: We’re in the middle of a clash of civilizations; the Middle East is so screwed up, we should just get out; we’re too stupid/ineffective/racist/imperialistic to do any good there anyway.

We fight viciously about Trump, but underneath, a populist left-right curtain is descending around America, separating us from the Mideast, China, even Europe. The real high-risk move is the one both parties are making together: that if we ignore the world it will ignore us. (It won’t.)

Maybe once the Inflammatory One is finally gone from the scene we can have an intelligent conversation about that.


Good analysis and I honestly acknowledge I was among the people who shat the bed, may be because I have a daughter who lives in Dubai and because Inhave seen the Pasdaran all too often and I don't find them nice...

Yet at the same time, I had Munich 1938 in the back of my mind, and the need to draw the line.

That was the right move. It could have been done in Syria though, out of consideration for the Iraqi government.

But now, there is a need for a long term policy - there is a need for a diplomatic and political channel.

As we discussed about Trump, humiliation doesn't work on the long term and may cause the humiliated party to bite violently out of rage.

I am definitely no expert on either the Middle East or international diplomacy, but the way I read Brooks is that he sees the Middle East as inherent violent region where violence can only be addressed by more violence - a never ending circle. It seems that the most difficult questions namely why do they attack each other and what other diplomatic alternatives exist to properly address these issues, seldom form part of the current discourse. What would be the reason for that?


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His mind is gone. :(


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The only good thing about Trump is Trevor Noah. Funniest saffer ever.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTWkeN2Gyz8


Trumps admiration for north koreas leader :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Sorry, neither a Trump bashing nor fluffing post... an interesting article here about there are now more woman employed in the USA than men.

https://us.yahoo.com/money/women-workforce-215211122.html

But do the living outnumber the dead?


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Backwoodsman1 wrote:
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We think its disappointing that there are rugby follower types gullible enough to believe the patently makey uppy stuff that elements of the Dem favoring meeja produce. Look, over there, a squirrel.

C'mon Woody, you were the one who posted the 'undisputed fact' that Biden’s son, Pelosi’s son, Romney’s son and Kerry’s son were all on the board of directors for energy companies doing business in Ukraine


Well, it isn't too difficult to read the company fillings listing them as Directors and the salaries they received - any Duck Duck Go search will give links to articles listing them.
Here's Nancy doing her bit for son Paul.
http://www.floppingaces.net/most-wanted ... in-ukrain/

Yeah, except that's about a gas company that did business in Ukraine, quite some way from a Ukrainian gas company. Gas companies that do business in Ukraine include ExxonMobil, Chevron, Shell and BP.


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Presidents once saw dramatic upswings when they approved military action. President Donald Trump changed that when he ordered a strike against Iran.


https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/the-mo ... n-actions/


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sorCrer wrote:
His mind is gone. :(


Whose?

Trump's or Seneca's?

In point of fact I suppose there's a lot of sympathy for taking out Suleimani, and there is a possibility that it may have provided some small setback for Iranian terror capabilities, but the manner in which the strike was carried out suggests that this was ill-considered and the consequences were not thought through. Indeed, it smacks of opportunistic electioneering.

The rider at the bottom of the announcement that this was "at the direction of the president", suggests that the Pentagon is trying to distance itself from the action.

One would hope that the American electorate is not dumb enough to fall for it, but that remains more of a hope than an expectation.


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Backwoodsman1 wrote:
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We think its disappointing that there are rugby follower types gullible enough to believe the patently makey uppy stuff that elements of the Dem favoring meeja produce. Look, over there, a squirrel.

C'mon Woody, you were the one who posted the 'undisputed fact' that Biden’s son, Pelosi’s son, Romney’s son and Kerry’s son were all on the board of directors for energy companies doing business in Ukraine


Well, it isn't too difficult to read the company fillings listing them as Directors and the salaries they received - any Duck Duck Go search will give links to articles listing them.
Here's Nancy doing her bit for son Paul.
http://www.floppingaces.net/most-wanted ... in-ukrain/


As the great leader of your tribe on this thread would say:

That is a dumb post


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6.Jones wrote:
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Sorry, neither a Trump bashing nor fluffing post... an interesting article here about there are now more woman employed in the USA than men.

https://us.yahoo.com/money/women-workforce-215211122.html

But do the living outnumber the dead?

Dead women never say no. Or so a friend told me.


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fudge me - Trump's latest Pelosi tweet :shock: :uhoh:

https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/13/donald-trump-shares-horrific-photo-bloodied-corpse-attack-rival-nancy-pelosi-12051511/

#BeBest


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BokJock wrote:


She's an eminent threat


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Don't know why they pussyfoot around the c*nt so much. There already was a deal to prevent Iran getting nukes, and Trump has made it more likely. The rest of the world has to put up with this sh!t because he can't stand that a black man is better than him.


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Amazingly Mark Esper, the secretary of defense has not seen the same intel as Trump.

No specific evidence that Suleimani was planning an attack on four US Embassies.

Trump lies again, no imminent threat, almost starts a war over nothing, no one cares/nothing matters.







*Suleimani is a bad guy and does not deserve any sympathy - before I get accused of defending the scumbag


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Yeah that's so yesterday's news, we're onto bodies hanging from barbed wire now.


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Amazingly Mark Esper, the secretary of defense has not seen the same intel as Trump.

No specific evidence that Suleimani was planning an attack on four US Embassies.

Trump lies again, no imminent threat, almost starts a war over nothing, no one cares/nothing matters.







*Suleimani is a bad guy and does not deserve any sympathy - before I get accused of defending the scumbag



No eminent threat if you don't mind


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Amazingly Mark Esper, the secretary of defense has not seen the same intel as Trump.

No specific evidence that Suleimani was planning an attack on four US Embassies.

Trump lies again, no imminent threat, almost starts a war over nothing, no one cares/nothing matters.







*Suleimani is a bad guy and does not deserve any sympathy - before I get accused of defending the scumbag



No eminent threat if you don't mind


:lol: :blush:


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Amazingly Mark Esper, the secretary of defense has not seen the same intel as Trump.


Why ?



Doesn't he get Fox ?


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Has anyone seen Lev Parnas's document dump? In it, Parnas and Robert Hyde (a congressional GOP candidate from Connecticut) apparently discuss assassinating Marie Yovanovitch.

Hyde to Parnas: "They are willing to help if you would like a price" and "Guess you can do anything in the Ukraine with money...what I was told."
Hyde to Parnas: "If you want her out they need to make contact with security forces."

This while they're tracking her movements, with Hyde giving Parnas real time updates on her security and electronic access. :shock:

And after Trump said to Zelenskiy: "She's going to go through some things."

Parnas's lawyers now disavowing any part by their client in this 'plot'.

Bored Trumpers: is this okay?


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fishfoodie wrote:
BokJock wrote:
Amazingly Mark Esper, the secretary of defense has not seen the same intel as Trump.


Why ?



Doesn't he get Fox ?

:lol:


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Has anyone seen Lev Parnas's document dump? In it, Parnas and Robert Hyde (a congressional GOP candidate from Connecticut) apparently discuss assassinating Marie Yovanovitch.

Hyde to Parnas: "They are willing to help if you would like a price" and "Guess you can do anything in the Ukraine with money...what I was told."
Hyde to Parnas: "If you want her out they need to make contact with security forces."

This while they're tracking her movements, with Hyde giving Parnas real time updates on her security and electronic access. :shock:

And after Trump said to Zelenskiy: "She's going to go through some things."

Parnas's lawyers now disavowing any part by their client in this 'plot'.

Bored Trumpers: is this okay?


I'm not a bored Trumper, but I'm not sure that, even if the exchange were about assassination, it would have been seriously entertained.

Surely it would be easier and less risky to simply have her recalled?


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6.Jones wrote:
Has anyone seen Lev Parnas's document dump? In it, Parnas and Robert Hyde (a congressional GOP candidate from Connecticut) apparently discuss assassinating Marie Yovanovitch.

Hyde to Parnas: "They are willing to help if you would like a price" and "Guess you can do anything in the Ukraine with money...what I was told."
Hyde to Parnas: "If you want her out they need to make contact with security forces."

This while they're tracking her movements, with Hyde giving Parnas real time updates on her security and electronic access. :shock:

And after Trump said to Zelenskiy: "She's going to go through some things."

Parnas's lawyers now disavowing any part by their client in this 'plot'.

Bored Trumpers: is this okay?


The answer to your question is always, unfailingly yes with one slight caveat - SOTN will waiver slightly albeit temporarily in his devotion if Tucker disagrees in his monologue


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fishfoodie wrote:
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Amazingly Mark Esper, the secretary of defense has not seen the same intel as Trump.


Why ?



Doesn't he get Fox ?


:lol:


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Rinkals wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
Has anyone seen Lev Parnas's document dump? In it, Parnas and Robert Hyde (a congressional GOP candidate from Connecticut) apparently discuss assassinating Marie Yovanovitch.

Hyde to Parnas: "They are willing to help if you would like a price" and "Guess you can do anything in the Ukraine with money...what I was told."
Hyde to Parnas: "If you want her out they need to make contact with security forces."

This while they're tracking her movements, with Hyde giving Parnas real time updates on her security and electronic access. :shock:

And after Trump said to Zelenskiy: "She's going to go through some things."

Parnas's lawyers now disavowing any part by their client in this 'plot'.

Bored Trumpers: is this okay?


I'm not a bored Trumper, but I'm not sure that, even if the exchange were about assassination, it would have been seriously entertained.

Surely it would be easier and less risky to simply have her recalled?

It wasn't the administration that was suggesting having her assassinated. It was this dude Hyde, a member of Rudy's special forces strikefarce. Even Parnas is distancing himself from the idea. But it's still as dangerous as fcuk. It explains why she was urgently recalled.


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Is Hyde still running for Congress? If so at what point will the GOP say we can't stop you, but not as our candidate?


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Rinkals wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
Has anyone seen Lev Parnas's document dump? In it, Parnas and Robert Hyde (a congressional GOP candidate from Connecticut) apparently discuss assassinating Marie Yovanovitch.

Hyde to Parnas: "They are willing to help if you would like a price" and "Guess you can do anything in the Ukraine with money...what I was told."
Hyde to Parnas: "If you want her out they need to make contact with security forces."

This while they're tracking her movements, with Hyde giving Parnas real time updates on her security and electronic access. :shock:

And after Trump said to Zelenskiy: "She's going to go through some things."

Parnas's lawyers now disavowing any part by their client in this 'plot'.

Bored Trumpers: is this okay?


I'm not a bored Trumper, but I'm not sure that, even if the exchange were about assassination, it would have been seriously entertained.

Surely it would be easier and less risky to simply have her recalled?


I talk about assassinating people all the time. Doesn't mean I'm going to do it.


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Rinkals wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
Has anyone seen Lev Parnas's document dump? In it, Parnas and Robert Hyde (a congressional GOP candidate from Connecticut) apparently discuss assassinating Marie Yovanovitch.

Hyde to Parnas: "They are willing to help if you would like a price" and "Guess you can do anything in the Ukraine with money...what I was told."
Hyde to Parnas: "If you want her out they need to make contact with security forces."

This while they're tracking her movements, with Hyde giving Parnas real time updates on her security and electronic access. :shock:

And after Trump said to Zelenskiy: "She's going to go through some things."

Parnas's lawyers now disavowing any part by their client in this 'plot'.

Bored Trumpers: is this okay?


I'm not a bored Trumper, but I'm not sure that, even if the exchange were about assassination, it would have been seriously entertained.

Surely it would be easier and less risky to simply have her recalled?


I talk about assassinating people all the time. Doesn't mean I'm going to do it.


But it might...

...who is on your hit list?


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Is Hyde still running for Congress? If so at what point will the GOP say we can't stop you, but not as our candidate?

In defense of the administration, it seems this Hyde might be a marginal nutjob. He was once arrested at a Trump resort and brought to a medical facility under a state law that allows for involuntary confinement of people who might pose a risk to themselves. Although that might've been a deep state intervention.


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BokJock wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
Has anyone seen Lev Parnas's document dump? In it, Parnas and Robert Hyde (a congressional GOP candidate from Connecticut) apparently discuss assassinating Marie Yovanovitch.

Hyde to Parnas: "They are willing to help if you would like a price" and "Guess you can do anything in the Ukraine with money...what I was told."
Hyde to Parnas: "If you want her out they need to make contact with security forces."

This while they're tracking her movements, with Hyde giving Parnas real time updates on her security and electronic access. :shock:

And after Trump said to Zelenskiy: "She's going to go through some things."

Parnas's lawyers now disavowing any part by their client in this 'plot'.

Bored Trumpers: is this okay?


I'm not a bored Trumper, but I'm not sure that, even if the exchange were about assassination, it would have been seriously entertained.

Surely it would be easier and less risky to simply have her recalled?


I talk about assassinating people all the time. Doesn't mean I'm going to do it.


But it might...

...who is on your hit list?


Just the usual, Stewart Lee, Adam Rutherford, Jolyon Maugham QC, Rinkals . . .


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6.Jones wrote:
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Is Hyde still running for Congress? If so at what point will the GOP say we can't stop you, but not as our candidate?

In defense of the administration, it seems this Hyde might be a marginal nutjob. He was once arrested at a Trump resort and brought to a medical facility under a state law that allows for involuntary confinement of people who might pose a risk to themselves. Although that might've been a deep state intervention.


fudge me - you have to be the nuttiest of jobs to be considered the craziest one in that particular rogues gallery


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BokJock wrote:
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Is Hyde still running for Congress? If so at what point will the GOP say we can't stop you, but not as our candidate?

In defense of the administration, it seems this Hyde might be a marginal nutjob. He was once arrested at a Trump resort and brought to a medical facility under a state law that allows for involuntary confinement of people who might pose a risk to themselves. Although that might've been a deep state intervention.


fudge me - you have to be the nuttiest of jobs to be considered the craziest one in that particular rogues gallery


Indeed. Trump's underloons were talking about assassinating a sitting ambassador. Although they were joking. That defence always works. In the past the FBI would've taken those words quite seriously. Thankfully they're run by adults now.

We're setting sail to the place on the map
from which no one has ever returned
Drawn by the promise of the joker and the fool
by the light of the crosses that burned.
Drawn by the promise of the women and the lace
and the gold and the cotton and pearls
It's the place where they keep all the darkness you need.
You sail away from the light of the world on this trip, baby.
You will pay tomorrow
You're gonna pay tomorrow
You will pay tomorrow


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:19 am 
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6.Jones wrote:
BokJock wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
piquant wrote:
Is Hyde still running for Congress? If so at what point will the GOP say we can't stop you, but not as our candidate?

In defense of the administration, it seems this Hyde might be a marginal nutjob. He was once arrested at a Trump resort and brought to a medical facility under a state law that allows for involuntary confinement of people who might pose a risk to themselves. Although that might've been a deep state intervention.


fudge me - you have to be the nuttiest of jobs to be considered the craziest one in that particular rogues gallery


We're setting sail to the place on the map
from which no one has ever returned
Drawn by the promise of the joker and the fool
by the light of the crosses that burned.
Drawn by the promise of the women and the lace
and the gold and the cotton and pearls
It's the place where they keep all the darkness you need.
You sail away from the light of the world on this trip, baby.
You will pay tomorrow
You're gonna pay tomorrow
You will pay tomorrow


I just knew you must have been a junior officer on Das Narrenschiff.


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MungoMan wrote:
I just knew you must have been a junior officer on Das Narrenschiff.

Seneca levels of erudition there. :thumbup:


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