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Trump is being railroaded. But he's being railroaded into town.


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
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Does Trump know Parnas or not?


Saffer is a right wing nationalist.


Just a right wing nationalist or a right wing white nationalist?


Racism?

Does this warrant a ban, mods?


I doubt it. It seems around here you can say anything you want to right wing white nationalist racists and anti-Semites and get away with it. Justice is in short supply.


Oh, you wee poor thing!

Grow a fuckin spine, dammit.


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BokJock wrote:
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Does Trump know Parnas or not?


Saffer is a right wing nationalist.


Just a right wing nationalist or a right wing white nationalist?


He is neither, in all his other posting he comes across as completely sane and reasonable.

This Trump thing he does must be a troll


I thought he was a born-again, Darwin-denying evangelist? As a teacher in the US of A, he's found his niche.


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Or will the Reps convince the people that this is a waste of everybody's time and energy and that on the basis that abuse of power isn't impeachable then there is no need for a trial?

Convincing them is even necessary? Outside the usual obsessive bubbles, I highly doubt it.


According to a CNN poll (yes, I know, the "fake news" organisation) almost 70% of Americans support new witnesses being allowed to testify.

Obviously, Saffer13 is not among them.


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Rinkals wrote:
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Or will the Reps convince the people that this is a waste of everybody's time and energy and that on the basis that abuse of power isn't impeachable then there is no need for a trial?

Convincing them is even necessary? Outside the usual obsessive bubbles, I highly doubt it.


According to a CNN poll (yes, I know, the "fake news" organisation) almost 70% of Americans support new witnesses being allowed to testify.

Obviously, Saffer13 is not among them.


That's the dilemma the Republicans face. 70% would usually be way past the level of public support that politicians obey by default, because votes are even more important than money. You can't put your snout in the trough, without a snout, and that means being elected.

70% includes all the swing voters, meaning you're potentially angering the people whose votes actually count in an election [before we get to the electoral college, of course]. Hell, 70% is everyone except Trump's base. They must calculate that this costs them less then calling witnesses would, and hoping that calculus isn't obvious to anyone watching.

Choosing to litigate in the court of public opinion has its own, special perils.


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One wonders why we've been lumped with the Irish we've got on here when we could have got this fine gentleman of impeccable taste and discernment: https://www.mediaite.com/politics/ufc-s ... ng-giants/


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@6roucho

It really is interesting.

Clearly the GOP Senators feel that Trump can carry their re-election in 2020, but it is difficult to understand why.

The mid-term elections gave Congress to the Democrats; it seems unlikely that the Senate elections won't do the same.


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One wonders why we've been lumped with the Irish we've got on here when we could have got this fine gentleman of impeccable taste and discernment: https://www.mediaite.com/politics/ufc-s ... ng-giants/


"Man who gets hit in the head for living likes Trump".

Not sure that's really that exciting a story tbf.


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One wonders why we've been lumped with the Irish we've got on here when we could have got this fine gentleman of impeccable taste and discernment: https://www.mediaite.com/politics/ufc-s ... ng-giants/


The man had to tattoo his name on himself so he remembers who is. He was always going to vote for Trump, he’s the demographic.


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Here's a very strong argument against impeachment.


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Giuliani Suggests Marie Yovanovitch Unlawfully Surveilled Him, Sean Hannity, and Trump Jr.

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Rudy Giuliani on Monday suggested that former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch unlawfully spied on him and several other prominent Republicans, expressing outrage that she is not under investigation. Giuliani provided no evidence to support his claim, the latest in a growing list of baseless accusations to originate from the president’s personal attorney.

Giuliani appeared on Fox News’s The Ingraham Angle to combat allegations and evidence provided by his former business partner Lev Parnas which further implicated Giuliani in the coordinated campaign to oust Yovanovitch from her post, which may have included unlawful surveillance of the former diplomat.

“The other allegation was that you directed the surveillance of a sitting U.S. ambassador, Marie Yovanovitch, in Ukraine,” host Laura Ingraham said. “No, I did not. No, I can definitely tell you I didn’t. In fact, she directed the surveillance of me – which nobody’s investigating – and of Mr. [John] Solomon and of your colleague Sean Hannity and of Donald Trump Jr.”


The truth emerges. Slightly damp from its brisk morning swim in the ocean, but true nonetheless.


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houtkabouter wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
One wonders why we've been lumped with the Irish we've got on here when we could have got this fine gentleman of impeccable taste and discernment: https://www.mediaite.com/politics/ufc-s ... ng-giants/


The man had to tattoo his name on himself so he remembers who is. He was always going to vote for Trump, he’s the demographic.

His Judicial record speaks for itself :lol:


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Rinkals wrote:
BokJock wrote:
Masterji wrote:
sorCrer wrote:
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Does Trump know Parnas or not?


Saffer is a right wing nationalist.


Just a right wing nationalist or a right wing white nationalist?


He is neither, in all his other posting he comes across as completely sane and reasonable.

This Trump thing he does must be a troll


I thought he was a born-again, Darwin-denying evangelist? As a teacher in the US of A, he's found his niche.


Nowt wrong with being born again per se - but if he is an evolution denier then I have been wrong in my estimation of him...but I reserve my judgement as I have not seen evidence of this.


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Giuliani Suggests Marie Yovanovitch Unlawfully Surveilled Him, Sean Hannity, and Trump Jr.

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Rudy Giuliani on Monday suggested that former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch unlawfully spied on him and several other prominent Republicans, expressing outrage that she is not under investigation. Giuliani provided no evidence to support his claim, the latest in a growing list of baseless accusations to originate from the president’s personal attorney.

Giuliani appeared on Fox News’s The Ingraham Angle to combat allegations and evidence provided by his former business partner Lev Parnas which further implicated Giuliani in the coordinated campaign to oust Yovanovitch from her post, which may have included unlawful surveillance of the former diplomat.

“The other allegation was that you directed the surveillance of a sitting U.S. ambassador, Marie Yovanovitch, in Ukraine,” host Laura Ingraham said. “No, I did not. No, I can definitely tell you I didn’t. In fact, she directed the surveillance of me – which nobody’s investigating – and of Mr. [John] Solomon and of your colleague Sean Hannity and of Donald Trump Jr.”


The truth emerges. Slightly damp from its brisk morning swim in the ocean, but true nonetheless.


Another example of the "no you are!" defence.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:31 am 
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Rinkals wrote:

I thought he was a born-again, Darwin-denying evangelist? As a teacher in the US of A, he's found his niche.


He probably doesn't deny Darwin. I mean I don't deny there could well have been a Jesus, I'd just deny there's a god he could have been the son of, so if he claimed to be the son of god he was just a wackadoodle.

Either way, if he's denying Darwin or his theories, he has no place as a teacher.


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I think Rudi is going to hate prison.


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I think Rudi is going to hate prison.


If you can get booze in there he'll barely know the difference


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https://nypost.com/2020/01/18/how-five- ... nnections/

Book Bombshell: James Biden’s Firm Got $1.5 Billion in Government Contracts Despite Zero Experience
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'' If we call one witness, we call all the witnesses.'' Senate Leader.

Another 'cunning plan' by inept Dems goes tits up , .. meanwhile Schiff's closeness to Ed Buck , his donor with the dead rent boys in his apartment , now increasingly openly discussed on social meja !


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https://nypost.com/2020/01/18/how-five-members-of-joe-bidens-family-got-rich-through-his-connections/

Book Bombshell: James Biden’s Firm Got $1.5 Billion in Government Contracts Despite Zero Experience
Breitbart

'' If we call one witness, we call all the witnesses.'' Senate Leader.

Another 'cunning plan' by inept Dems goes tits up , .. meanwhile Schiff's closeness to Ed Buck , his donor with the dead rent boys in his apartment , now increasingly openly discussed on social meja !


:lol: :lol: :lol:


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BokJock wrote:
Masterji wrote:
sorCrer wrote:
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Does Trump know Parnas or not?


Saffer is a right wing nationalist.


Just a right wing nationalist or a right wing white nationalist?


He is neither, in all his other posting he comes across as completely sane and reasonable.

This Trump thing he does must be a troll


No he doesn't.

He's a creationist ffs. Being a blinkered moron is obviously a specialty.


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RuggaBugga wrote:
BokJock wrote:
Masterji wrote:
sorCrer wrote:
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Does Trump know Parnas or not?


Saffer is a right wing nationalist.


Just a right wing nationalist or a right wing white nationalist?


He is neither, in all his other posting he comes across as completely sane and reasonable.

This Trump thing he does must be a troll


No he doesn't.

He's a creationist ffs. Being a blinkered moron is obviously a specialty.


I have never seen him mention creationism but you are the 2nd or 3rd poster to say he is a creationist weirdo - he is an educator of young people, hopefully he seperates his wacky beliefs from the proper stuff he is supposed to be teaching them.

Also, it explains his Trumpism


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https://nypost.com/2020/01/18/how-five-members-of-joe-bidens-family-got-rich-through-his-connections/

Book Bombshell: James Biden’s Firm Got $1.5 Billion in Government Contracts Despite Zero Experience
Breitbart

'' If we call one witness, we call all the witnesses.'' Senate Leader.

Another 'cunning plan' by inept Dems goes tits up , .. meanwhile Schiff's closeness to Ed Buck , his donor with the dead rent boys in his apartment , now increasingly openly discussed on social meja !


This would be Hill International, one of the world's largest construction EPCMs?


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BokJock wrote:
Backwoodsman1 wrote:
https://nypost.com/2020/01/18/how-five-members-of-joe-bidens-family-got-rich-through-his-connections/

Book Bombshell: James Biden’s Firm Got $1.5 Billion in Government Contracts Despite Zero Experience
Breitbart

'' If we call one witness, we call all the witnesses.'' Senate Leader.

Another 'cunning plan' by inept Dems goes tits up , .. meanwhile Schiff's closeness to Ed Buck , his donor with the dead rent boys in his apartment , now increasingly openly discussed on social meja !


:lol: :lol: :lol:


If people want to discuss dead rent boys who are we to say they shouldn't be allowed to pursue their interests online?


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Backwoodsman1 wrote:
https://nypost.com/2020/01/18/how-five-members-of-joe-bidens-family-got-rich-through-his-connections/

Book Bombshell: James Biden’s Firm Got $1.5 Billion in Government Contracts Despite Zero Experience
Breitbart

'' If we call one witness, we call all the witnesses.'' Senate Leader.

Another 'cunning plan' by inept Dems goes tits up , .. meanwhile Schiff's closeness to Ed Buck , his donor with the dead rent boys in his apartment , now increasingly openly discussed on social meja !


Did you read the article?

Pretty weak in terms of dirt-digging, it has to be said.


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Rinkals wrote:
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Or will the Reps convince the people that this is a waste of everybody's time and energy and that on the basis that abuse of power isn't impeachable then there is no need for a trial?

Convincing them is even necessary? Outside the usual obsessive bubbles, I highly doubt it.


According to a CNN poll (yes, I know, the "fake news" organisation) almost 70% of Americans support new witnesses being allowed to testify.

Obviously, Saffer13 is not among them.


If this poll is accurate, this is Pelosi winning her battle. She was right to hold onto the article of impeachment until new information surfaced and the public would turn its attention again to Trump.

Also, it is interesting to see that the Republican rhetoric has shifted from a "Pefect call" to "what he did is not a crime". This admission of guilt is already a battle won by the Dems.

Now, the Senate has to decide whether they want to set a precedent and allow the Executive Branch to act as it sees fit (even for personal gain) against Congressional resolutions and votes. This could change the balance of powers in the USA for good. Basically, following this, a President could say to Congress "you allocated these billions to the war in Iraq but I will use them for healthcare. And by the way, feck you, there is a precedent now, you can't impeach me."


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It does strike me that McConnel's seat would particularly vulnerable.

For, not only is he driving the efforts to derail the holding of the President to account, but his Chinese wife is knee-deep in corruption involving her father's shipping business and her position as Secretary of Transportation.

According to Wiki, his approval ratings are pretty much "underwater"


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You lot are losing it. I'm flattered that you're all so concerned that I've taken up about half your posts on the last two pages :lol:


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You lot are losing it. I'm flattered that you're all so concerned that I've taken up about half your posts on the last two pages :lol:


are you a creationist?

say it ain't so...


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It does strike me that McConnel's seat would particularly vulnerable.

For, not only is he driving the efforts to derail the holding of the President to account, but his Chinese wife is knee-deep in corruption involving her father's shipping business and her position as Secretary of Transportation.

According to Wiki, his approval ratings are pretty much "underwater"


The US system has managed to legalise corruption at so many turns its astonishing. Whether Moscow Mitch loses I don't know, he's hugely unpopular for many reasons, but it is Kentucky, and he is a Republican


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You lot are losing it. I'm flattered that you're all so concerned that I've taken up about half your posts on the last two pages :lol:


There is some genuine derangement here. Why are saffers here so obsessed with US politics? :lol:


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Completely insane.


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You lot are losing it. I'm flattered that you're all so concerned that I've taken up about half your posts on the last two pages :lol:


There is some genuine derangement here. Why are saffers here so obsessed with US politics? :lol:

rinkidink, BJ, and houts...who knows. I am a South African American now so....


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saffer13 wrote:
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You lot are losing it. I'm flattered that you're all so concerned that I've taken up about half your posts on the last two pages :lol:


There is some genuine derangement here. Why are saffers here so obsessed with US politics? :lol:

rinkidink, BJ, and houts...who knows. I am a South African American now so....


Yeah, wasn't aimed at you. More at those who are on the outside shouting in :lol:


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Lemoentjie wrote:
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You lot are losing it. I'm flattered that you're all so concerned that I've taken up about half your posts on the last two pages :lol:


There is some genuine derangement here. Why are saffers here so obsessed with US politics? :lol:

rinkidink, BJ, and houts...who knows. I am a South African American now so....


Yeah, wasn't aimed at you. More at those who are on the outside shouting in :lol:


TBF there are Kiwis, Englishmen and Irish too.

It is entertaining as fudge. Like House of cards but with more sexual depravity and less intelligence

hands up, I am admittedly obsessed.


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Lemoentjie wrote:
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You lot are losing it. I'm flattered that you're all so concerned that I've taken up about half your posts on the last two pages :lol:


There is some genuine derangement here. Why are saffers here so obsessed with US politics? :lol:


With the world's largest economy, any grownup not interested in US politics is a blithering idiot.


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You lot are losing it. I'm flattered that you're all so concerned that I've taken up about half your posts on the last two pages :lol:


There is some genuine derangement here. Why are saffers here so obsessed with US politics? :lol:


With the world's largest economy, any grownup not interested in US politics is a blithering idiot.

Interested or not. Blithering idiots abound.


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saffer13 wrote:
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You lot are losing it. I'm flattered that you're all so concerned that I've taken up about half your posts on the last two pages :lol:


There is some genuine derangement here. Why are saffers here so obsessed with US politics? :lol:


With the world's largest economy, any grownup not interested in US politics is a blithering idiot.

Interested or not. Blithering idiots abound.


You should see him when he is ridding his dino about.

Totally bonkers.


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The proceeding for Trump's trial have started.

It is interesting to see how the battle will span out.

The Dems know Trump will be acquitted. There is no way enough Republicans break ranks with the majority, unless public opinion turns emotional and pressure builds up. It is not looking that way yet.

Their tactic is to show that beyond the "Perfect Phone Call", there is a lot of dirt, in particular mafia-like behaviors with the like of Parnas and Giuliani. Here, either the Republicans refuse to hear new evidence, and they can leak that evidence in the press and climb on their high horses to claim that the trial is a travesty of a trial, and that the Republicans are colluding to allow a corrupt President to manage his own corrupt dealings with the mafia.

Now, some Republicans are starting to feel edgy about the whole thing. Those with a bit of a swing state to manage, and political pressure back home, or those with a bit of a decent morale compass must not be at ease with the mafiosi turn this is taking. The more that becomes public, the more they may want to dissociate themselves from that corruption. The first one already broke ranks yesterday (Susan Collins of Maine) when voting in favor of the Schumer admendment. The Dems require 3 more defections to get their own motions voted to call witnesses in.

Yet at the same time, the same Republicans know that, if Trump is not impeached and they have broken ranks, they won't even get an opportunity to go in front of the voters... and that therefore, public opinion back home may come second to getting another chance to run for a Senate seat...

A lot of dealings must be going in on in the Senate corridors. I'd love to be a little mouse to watch and listen.

Republicans' tactic will be to argue that the nature of the offense doesn't warrant an impeachment, and that therefore no time should be wasted in a trial. They will push a motion to dismiss to ensure Trump can stand as a acquitted President at the next State of the Nation.

Now, if there are defections and witnesses are called, their plan B is to destroy Biden son and father. This is currently the threat they are using as a deterrent to keep the Dems in check.

Who knows what the Dems feel about Biden? Would they protect him and let Trump off the hook (which would almost certainly carry him to a reelection), or sacrifice Biden and hope Sanders come through and takes the Presidency next?


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https://nypost.com/2020/01/18/how-five-members-of-joe-bidens-family-got-rich-through-his-connections/

Book Bombshell: James Biden’s Firm Got $1.5 Billion in Government Contracts Despite Zero Experience
Breitbart

'' If we call one witness, we call all the witnesses.'' Senate Leader.

Another 'cunning plan' by inept Dems goes tits up , .. meanwhile Schiff's closeness to Ed Buck , his donor with the dead rent boys in his apartment , now increasingly openly discussed on social meja !


Yes, threatening implosion of both camps to keep the Dems in check. Obviously, the Republicans are admitting that calling witnesses would leave Trump in a very weak position. Their only argument is to threaten back.


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I haven't read the whole article, but this assumes wrongly that criminal trials and political trials follow the same rules.

This is wrong, and this is actually the manipulation attempted by Trump's defense team who try to convince the Senate that an impeachment trial is a criminal trial. It is not. It is a political trial, and the question to be answered is whether or not Trump's behavior violate the Constitution and whether or not the President is fit for office given his behavior and dealings.

The two issues brought forward by the Democrats are:

- Abuse of power: ignoring Congressional vote and disposing of funds allocated to Ukraine to achieve his own personal objectives. This is actually quite an important vote here for the Senate, as it can totally undermine the Congress going forward. In other words, this redefines the balance of power between Executive and Legislative branches. There have been quite a number of abuses already by previous President (including Obama). I think the latest one before this issue was Trump diverting funds allocated to defense to build the wall on the Mexico border. Will the Senate say this is fine, even if that behavior is not for what the President believe is good for the country, but for what is good for his own personal purposes.

- Obstruction of Congress: this will vote will also further redefine the balance of power. Can the Executive Branch refuse to comply with Congressional votes? In particular, can they do this to obstruct the process of justice?

Those two votes have enormous consequences, as did the Democrat dismissal of Clinton's impeachment for lying under oath.

The USA are building for themselves a less and less democratic political organisation, that is concentrating powers in the hands of the President and could result in a mad man hurting country and world alike... At the same time as they pretend to be worried about North Korea and Iran...


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