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Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:36 am
by penguin
Wilson's Toffee wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
Marlboro wrote:
Do you really think he just loses it and starts tweeting whatever comes into his head at any given moment?

Sad!
Sometimes.

I think Trvmp's twitter feed falls into three categories and comprises approximately:

75% - a reasonable means of communicating his message directly with his base
20% - messages deliberately calculated to provoke a reaction
5% - impulsive stuff where someone's got under his skin and he just can't help himself

He is sidestepping MSM (and entrenched power) in a great way, reducing their influence on voters, demonstrating a new way of communication without opinion forming journos.

Splendid.
The problem with this rejection of expertise, science, experience and mainstream information sources is that the alternative is not the 'truth the powers that be don't want you to know', it is Alex Jones, FOX news and wingnuts on youtube. When Trump sidesteps/ignores data/evidence/reality he is not telling it like he is, he is misinforming millions, and giving power to conspiracy theorists. He is regurgitating crap from fools and telling you it is gold plated truth. It's propaganda without wit or effort.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:52 am
by zt1903
penguin wrote:
Wilson's Toffee wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
Marlboro wrote:
Do you really think he just loses it and starts tweeting whatever comes into his head at any given moment?

Sad!
Sometimes.

I think Trvmp's twitter feed falls into three categories and comprises approximately:

75% - a reasonable means of communicating his message directly with his base
20% - messages deliberately calculated to provoke a reaction
5% - impulsive stuff where someone's got under his skin and he just can't help himself

He is sidestepping MSM (and entrenched power) in a great way, reducing their influence on voters, demonstrating a new way of communication without opinion forming journos.

Splendid.
The problem with this rejection of expertise, science, experience and mainstream information sources is that the alternative is not the 'truth the powers that be don't want you to know', it is Alex Jones, FOX news and wingnuts on youtube. When bubblefart sidesteps/ignores data/evidence/reality he is not telling it like he is, he is misinforming millions, and giving power to conspiracy theorists. He is regurgitating crap from fools and telling you it is gold plated truth. It's propaganda without wit or effort.
Trvmp's job is to get his message out as he sees fit, as has every President before him. He chooses Twitter as one of his key media and there's nothing inherently wrong with that. Others before him have chosen slick and professional spin and sophistry.

The media's job is to hold him, or any other holder of the Office, to account. They're not currently doing a very good job of it.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:57 am
by Turbogoat
zt1903 wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
Floppykid wrote:While I think Kid Rock's potential run is ridiculous, that article reads like it was written by Lena Dunham.
Agree with the second half of the sentence.
Spoiler: show
FWIW it's from Buzzfeed and was written by this lady.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/janecoaston/it ... .aleMPM8ro

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As for Kid Rock's senate run, why is it ridiculous? Surely the substance of his campaign (if he actually runs) and subsequent tenure (if he wins) is what decides whether it is ridiculous or not. It's surely not ridiculous just because he's a musician?
Well, you're right when you say it's not ridiculous just because he's a "musician". (Note to T-Rump - that's how you add extra quotation marks).
So why is it ridiculous then? Genuinely interested.
Shall we start with being arrested for starting a fight in a Waffle House?

Starting fights at the VMAs?

Marrying Pamela Anderson?

Accusing her of faking her miscarriage?

Pick one.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:58 am
by zt1903
I've talked about Scott Adam's blog in the past, mainly because he has an interesting and different take on things that seems to have been a reasonable predictor in relation to Trvmp. I saw this one this morning.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1636008841 ... nt-like-it
The Turn to “Effective, but we don’t like it.”
Posted July 30th, 2017 @ 10:39am in #POTUS #generalkelly #healthcare #Trump

Prior to President Trump’s inauguration, I predicted a coming story arc in three acts. Act one involved mass protests in the streets because Hillary Clinton’s campaign had successfully branded Trump as the next Hitler. Sure enough, we saw mass protests by anti-Trumpers who legitimately and honestly believed the country had just elected the next Hitler. I predicted that the Hitler phase would evaporate by summer for lack of supporting evidence. That happened.

I also predicted the anti-Trumpers would modify their attack from “Hitler” to “incompetent,” and that phase would last the summer. That happened too. The president’s critics called him incompetent and said the White House was in “chaos.” There were plenty of leaks, fake news, and even true stories to support that narrative, as I expected. Every anti-Trump news outlet, and even some that supported him started using “chaos” to describe the situation.

Now comes the fun part.

I predicted that the end of this three-part story would involve President Trump’s critics complaining that indeed he was “effective, but we don’t like it.” Or words to that effect. I based that prediction on the assumption he would get some big wins by the end of the year and it would no longer make sense to question his effectiveness, only his policy choices.

How does the anti-Trump media gracefully pivot from “chaos and incompetence” to a story of “effective, but we don’t like it”? They need an external event to justify the turn. They need a visible sign of the White House moving from rookie status to professional status.

They need General John Kelly to replace Reince Priebus as Chief of Staff.

Done.

Watch in awe as the anti-Trump coverage grudgingly admits things are starting to look more professional and “disciplined” at the White House. And as the president’s accomplishments start to mount up, you will see his critics’ grudging acceptance of his effectiveness, but not his policy choices. We’re entering that phase now with the help of a new Chief of Staff that even the mainstream media can’t hate. Generals command respect from both sides of the government because they have fought for both sides. No one forgets that.

Expect to see lots of stories about General Kelly bringing efficiency and effectiveness to the White House. Reporters and pundits don’t want to criticize a four-star general who fought for them. At best, expect the anti-Trumpers to say the Chief of Staff is calling the shots, not the President. That’s the predictable fake news attack. But I don’t think it will stick through the end of the year.

By year-end, expect “Effective, but we don’t like it.”

Now for some related fun. I have often said Trump supporters and anti-Trumpers are in the same movie theater but watching different movies on the same screen. You’ve seen lots of evidence of that, but I’m going to give you an experiment you can try at home. It might blow your mind.

1. Identify your most lefty, Trump-hating friend or family member.

2. Share this Link of President Trump’s accomplishments while you are in the same room so you can watch them read it.

3. Watch as your lefty friend turns “cognitively blind” to the list of accomplishments as if it is not really there. Your subject will KNOW President has accomplished nothing, and all of his or her friends know it, and the television channels they watch know it. So how-the-hell could there be in existence an extensive list of legitimate accomplishments that make perfect sense and can easily be verified?

The only way that list of accomplishments can exist in your anti-Trumper’s world is if the anti-Trumper has been in a hallucination for months, duped by the media and everyone they love. The existence of the list of accomplishments will form a crack in their reality. It simply can’t exist. That’s the trigger for cognitive blindness. The list will simply be “invisible,” but not in the literal sense, only the mental sense. If you check back in two days, your anti-Trumper will claim once again no such list exists. Watch their eyes when they say it. It will be freaky.

Some anti-Trumpers will pick any one or two items from the list, argue that they are not good for the country, and use it as an excuse to see the rest of the list as nonsense. Some will simply tell you Trump has shepherded no “major legislation” through Congress, which is true. It is also true that he intentionally waited for Congress (and Obamacare) to fail hard before he got serious. The harder they fail, and the more dire the situation, the more power the president will have to push creative solutions on a weakened Congress. Keep in mind that President Trump is a predator when it comes to deal-making. He would have been an idiot to enter the fight hard and early when Congress was at full credibility and strength. That gets you nothing but a committee-made crap-law that may or may not have your name on it. By waiting, he accumulates leverage and widens his options. That’s how I would have played it. I would wait for the lobbyists, Congress, and my critics to punch themselves out before I involved the public and put together a plan to shove down Congress’ useless throats with the help of social media.

I think the President would have been modestly happy with some kind of “skinny” win on healthcare. It would have been good for momentum. But he’ll be much happier with a real health care solution that takes advantage of innovation. (Our constipated Congress ignored innovative solutions, as far as I can tell.)

Frankly, I don’t know how much the world really needs tax reform or infrastructure spending. The stock market doesn’t seem to move on the news of either thing becoming more or less likely as we go. My prediction is that President Trump’s reelection chances (should he run again) will depend mostly on what happens with health care. If President Trump gets that right, on top of the things already going well, Mt. Rushmore could get crowded.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:58 am
by Turbogoat
zt1903 wrote:
penguin wrote:
Wilson's Toffee wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
Marlboro wrote:
Do you really think he just loses it and starts tweeting whatever comes into his head at any given moment?

Sad!
Sometimes.

I think Trvmp's twitter feed falls into three categories and comprises approximately:

75% - a reasonable means of communicating his message directly with his base
20% - messages deliberately calculated to provoke a reaction
5% - impulsive stuff where someone's got under his skin and he just can't help himself

He is sidestepping MSM (and entrenched power) in a great way, reducing their influence on voters, demonstrating a new way of communication without opinion forming journos.

Splendid.
The problem with this rejection of expertise, science, experience and mainstream information sources is that the alternative is not the 'truth the powers that be don't want you to know', it is Alex Jones, FOX news and wingnuts on youtube. When bubblefart sidesteps/ignores data/evidence/reality he is not telling it like he is, he is misinforming millions, and giving power to conspiracy theorists. He is regurgitating crap from fools and telling you it is gold plated truth. It's propaganda without wit or effort.
Trvmp's job is to get his message out as he sees fit, as has every President before him. He chooses Twitter as one of his key media and there's nothing inherently wrong with that. Others before him have chosen slick and professional spin and sophistry.

The media's job is to hold him, or any other holder of the Office, to account. They're not currently doing a very good job of it.
#covfefe.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:16 am
by zt1903
Turbogoat wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
Floppykid wrote:While I think Kid Rock's potential run is ridiculous, that article reads like it was written by Lena Dunham.
Agree with the second half of the sentence.
Spoiler: show
FWIW it's from Buzzfeed and was written by this lady.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/janecoaston/it ... .aleMPM8ro

Image
As for Kid Rock's senate run, why is it ridiculous? Surely the substance of his campaign (if he actually runs) and subsequent tenure (if he wins) is what decides whether it is ridiculous or not. It's surely not ridiculous just because he's a musician?
Well, you're right when you say it's not ridiculous just because he's a "musician". (Note to T-Rump - that's how you add extra quotation marks).
So why is it ridiculous then? Genuinely interested.
Shall we start with being arrested for starting a fight in a Waffle House?

Starting fights at the VMAs?

Marrying Pamela Anderson?

Accusing her of faking her miscarriage?

Pick one.
OK, so in summary because he is a "rock star" who was something of an asshole when he was at the height of his fame?

I'm not particularly a fan of the man or his music but I'm reluctant to dismiss his campaign just because of who he is. I have no real idea what his platform is; other than some statements around promoting voter registration there isn't a clear indication of his manifesto.

It's not clear that he's actually going to run either but if he does shouldn't he be judged on the merits of his campaign rather than the misdemeanours of a decade ago. Is his candidacy any more absurd than Al Franken being in the senate, or Arnold being Governor of California, or Sonny Bono being in Congress? Of course he could easily turn out to be an utter joke of a candiate, but time will tell.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:23 am
by Turbogoat
OK, so we know he's an asshole.

But you want to judge him on his campaign, which he doesn't have yet.

We have no idea what his policies are, and it's likely he doesn't either.

Yup, that's how T-rump was elected, playing up his celebrity, providing no coherent detailed policy in his campaign, just selling himself as as an outsider with no experience. Kid Rock is just the next step in this political devolution.

But yeah, just because we know he's an asshole with zero policies or ability is no reason to think his Senate run would in any way be ridiculous.

More celeb politicians, that's what this World is crying out for. The backlash from T-rump may well make it a lot harder for clowns of this calibre to insult their way into power.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:25 am
by Lenny
zt1903 wrote:I've talked about Scott Adam's blog in the past, mainly because he has an interesting and different take on things that seems to have been a reasonable predictor in relation to Trvmp. I saw this one this morning.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1636008841 ... nt-like-it
The Turn to “Effective, but we don’t like it.”
Posted July 30th, 2017 @ 10:39am in #POTUS #generalkelly #healthcare #bubblefart

Prior to President bubblefart’s inauguration, I predicted a coming story arc in three acts. Act one involved mass protests in the streets because Hillary Clinton’s campaign had successfully branded bubblefart as the next Hitler. Sure enough, we saw mass protests by anti-Trumpers who legitimately and honestly believed the country had just elected the next Hitler. I predicted that the Hitler phase would evaporate by summer for lack of supporting evidence. That happened.

I also predicted the anti-Trumpers would modify their attack from “Hitler” to “incompetent,” and that phase would last the summer. That happened too. The president’s critics called him incompetent and said the White House was in “chaos.” There were plenty of leaks, fake news, and even true stories to support that narrative, as I expected. Every anti-Trump news outlet, and even some that supported him started using “chaos” to describe the situation.

Now comes the fun part.

I predicted that the end of this three-part story would involve President bubblefart’s critics complaining that indeed he was “effective, but we don’t like it.” Or words to that effect. I based that prediction on the assumption he would get some big wins by the end of the year and it would no longer make sense to question his effectiveness, only his policy choices.

How does the anti-Trump media gracefully pivot from “chaos and incompetence” to a story of “effective, but we don’t like it”? They need an external event to justify the turn. They need a visible sign of the White House moving from rookie status to professional status.

They need General John Kelly to replace Reince Priebus as Chief of Staff.

Done.

Watch in awe as the anti-Trump coverage grudgingly admits things are starting to look more professional and “disciplined” at the White House. And as the president’s accomplishments start to mount up, you will see his critics’ grudging acceptance of his effectiveness, but not his policy choices. We’re entering that phase now with the help of a new Chief of Staff that even the mainstream media can’t hate. Generals command respect from both sides of the government because they have fought for both sides. No one forgets that.

Expect to see lots of stories about General Kelly bringing efficiency and effectiveness to the White House. Reporters and pundits don’t want to criticize a four-star general who fought for them. At best, expect the anti-Trumpers to say the Chief of Staff is calling the shots, not the President. That’s the predictable fake news attack. But I don’t think it will stick through the end of the year.

By year-end, expect “Effective, but we don’t like it.”

Now for some related fun. I have often said bubblefart supporters and anti-Trumpers are in the same movie theater but watching different movies on the same screen. You’ve seen lots of evidence of that, but I’m going to give you an experiment you can try at home. It might blow your mind.

1. Identify your most lefty, Trump-hating friend or family member.

2. Share this Link of President bubblefart’s accomplishments while you are in the same room so you can watch them read it.

3. Watch as your lefty friend turns “cognitively blind” to the list of accomplishments as if it is not really there. Your subject will KNOW President has accomplished nothing, and all of his or her friends know it, and the television channels they watch know it. So how-the-hell could there be in existence an extensive list of legitimate accomplishments that make perfect sense and can easily be verified?

The only way that list of accomplishments can exist in your anti-Trumper’s world is if the anti-Trumper has been in a hallucination for months, duped by the media and everyone they love. The existence of the list of accomplishments will form a crack in their reality. It simply can’t exist. That’s the trigger for cognitive blindness. The list will simply be “invisible,” but not in the literal sense, only the mental sense. If you check back in two days, your anti-Trumper will claim once again no such list exists. Watch their eyes when they say it. It will be freaky.

Some anti-Trumpers will pick any one or two items from the list, argue that they are not good for the country, and use it as an excuse to see the rest of the list as nonsense. Some will simply tell you bubblefart has shepherded no “major legislation” through Congress, which is true. It is also true that he intentionally waited for Congress (and Obamacare) to fail hard before he got serious. The harder they fail, and the more dire the situation, the more power the president will have to push creative solutions on a weakened Congress. Keep in mind that President bubblefart is a predator when it comes to deal-making. He would have been an idiot to enter the fight hard and early when Congress was at full credibility and strength. That gets you nothing but a committee-made crap-law that may or may not have your name on it. By waiting, he accumulates leverage and widens his options. That’s how I would have played it. I would wait for the lobbyists, Congress, and my critics to punch themselves out before I involved the public and put together a plan to shove down Congress’ useless throats with the help of social media.

I think the President would have been modestly happy with some kind of “skinny” win on healthcare. It would have been good for momentum. But he’ll be much happier with a real health care solution that takes advantage of innovation. (Our constipated Congress ignored innovative solutions, as far as I can tell.)

Frankly, I don’t know how much the world really needs tax reform or infrastructure spending. The stock market doesn’t seem to move on the news of either thing becoming more or less likely as we go. My prediction is that President bubblefart’s reelection chances (should he run again) will depend mostly on what happens with health care. If President bubblefart gets that right, on top of the things already going well, Mt. Rushmore could get crowded.
Just out of curiosity, what exactly are these accomplishments that us lefties are blind to?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:32 am
by zt1903
Turbogoat wrote:OK, so we know he's an asshole.

But you want to judge him on his campaign, which he doesn't have yet.

We have no idea what his policies are, and it's likely he doesn't either.

Yup, that's how T-rump was elected, playing up his celebrity, providing no coherent detailed policy in his campaign, just selling himself as as an outsider with no experience. Kid Rock is just the next step in this political devolution.

But yeah, just because we know he's a asshole with zero policies or ability is no reason to think his Senate run would in any way be ridiculous.

More celeb politicians, that's what this World is crying out for. The backlash from T-rump may well make it a lot harder for clowns of this calibre to insult their way into power.
What I'm saying is that the time to judge his campaign is when there is one, anything else is sneering at someone because of who he is/who you think he is.

At this point the only political position he has taken is on voter registration with which it is hard to argue.

https://kidrock.com/blog/announcement/4 ... -us-senate

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:35 am
by zt1903
Lenny wrote: Just out of curiosity, what exactly are these accomplishments that us lefties are blind to?
The link is in there, but:

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/com ... ump_hasnt/

List spoilered, consider this a trigger warning :P
Spoiler: show
[quote]This is a running list of the promises President Trump made on the campaign trail, and has kept in his First 100 Days in office. Barely any of them have been reported on because of this bullshit Russia conspiracy theory that is swallowing the MSM. He has literally "Done more in 97days than Obama did in 8 years." This is not only a running list of promises he has kept so far, but also things he has done that weren't even promised on the campaign trail. MAGA. (I will be updating this as much as I can, whenever a new initiative comes to light)

Edit: Much like our AMAZING president, I have been incredibly busy for the past six months and I apologize for not staying up-to-date. I have gotten many requests to update it and finally have some extra time on my hands, so a big update with many, new YUGE promises kept will be coming soon. The last time I edited it was after his first 100 Days, and this is going to be a six month update. I also noticed that the great creator of Dilbert, Scott Adams, has linked this in one of his most recent blog posts and tells his readers to share it with EVERY liberal they know, and I urge you to do the same. The cognitive dissonance is very real! It has been an incredible 6 months of only his first term, and America has already gotten much greater! (Promises preceded by an asterisk are part of the updated list and have taken place after his first 100 days)

PROMISES MADE AND KEPT SO FAR:
Campaign Promise 1: To replace Antonin Scalia with a like-minded justice from a list of 20
Trump replaced Antonin Scalia with Neil Gorsuch, an incredibly qualified and Constitution-abiding justice
*Campaign Promise 2: To suspend immigration from terror-prone countries
Trump has successfully enacted a Travel Ban that is 100% CONSTITUTIONAL AND is made from the seven (six, now) "countries of concern" outlined by the Obama Administration. This ban is part of President Trump's promise to keep every citizen of the United States safe from radical Islamic terrorism.
Campaign Promise 3: To defund and crack down on sanctuary cities
Trump has implemented a YUGE crackdown on sanctuary cities, threatening to defund them
*- Attorney General Sessions has stated that he is not messing around when it comes to sanctuary cities, and continues in the fight against cities that harbor criminal illegal aliens
Campaign Promise 4: To revive the Keystone Pipeline and Dakota Access Pipeline
The revival of the Dakota and Keystone XL Pipelines creating American jobs
Campaign Promise 5: To pull the US out of the TPP, an Obama-era trade deal detrimental to the US
Trump pulled us out of the TPP which would have been absolutely disastrous for the US
Campaign Promise 6: DONALD TRUMP LOVES WOMEN AND WANTS TO HELP WOMEN!
Trump has signed an Executive Order promoting women in STEM jobs (careers real feminists strive for, not "dance therapy" feminists)
Trump has Launched a Council empowering female leaders and female entrepreneurs
Campaign Promise 7: To renegotiate, or pull out of Bill Clinton's terrible trade deal, NAFTA
Trump met with Justin Trudeau (what a joke) to discuss the tweaking of NAFTA to benefit the US more, after he threatens to leave it
*- The Trump Administration has laid out what he wishes to see in regards to NAFTA reform
Campaign Promise 8: To undo ridiculous Obama-era federal agency regulations
Trump ordered a two-for-one repeal for all new regulations enacted by federal agencies
Campaign Promise 9: To rollback Obama-era regulations on small businesses
Trump has rolled back ridiculous Obama-era regulations that have made it nearly impossible for small businesses to hire employees
Trump has already saved taxpayers $86 Billion by cutting regulations
*- Trump has undone hundreds of Obama-era job killing regulations which has helped cause a significant increase of jobs
Campaign Promise 10: To help America's inner-cities deeply in need of rebuilding
Trump has signed an Executive Order to give major funding to "Historically Black Colleges and Universities," helping out inner-cities immensely
Campaign Promise 11: To protect our policemen, the true everyday heroes
Trump signed an Executive Order protecting our police
Campaign Promise 12: To crackdown on illegal immigration and to BUILD A WALL
Trump has implemented a YUGE crackdown on illegal immigration and he has started the WALL initiative
Campaign Promise 13: To bolster our depleted military
Trump has increased our military budget because we don't want to use our military, but want to be prepared to use it
Campaign Promise 14: To enact a five year lobbying ban on government Officials after they leave office
Trump has placed a five year and lifetime lobbying ban on government officials for when they leave office
Campaign Promise 15: To crackdown on drug cartels and illegal drugs crossing the border
Trump signed an Executive Order cracking down on drug cartels
Campaign Promise 16: To revitalize the dying coal industry in the US
Trump has enacted Joint Resolution 38 putting thousands of coal miners back to work
Campaign Promise 17: To create American JOBS and bring companies back to America
Trump negotiated a deal with Carrier promising to bring manufacturing and jobs back to the US.
Trump has met with CEOs from huge companies to work on bringing jobs back to America
There was an increase of 298,000 jobs in February alone (liberals will say that counts in Obama's fiscal year, but we know the truth)
Trump met with Intel CEO who promised $7 Billion investment and over 3,000 high paying (not "shovel ready" bullshit jobs) in America
Trump met with the CEO of Softbank who has promised 50,000 more American jobs and has already fulfilled 3,000 of those jobs
Kroger has promised over 10,000 new jobs in the era of Trump
The month of March yielded 263,000 new jobs, which passes the month's estimated 185,000 Big League
Campaign Promise 18: Pushing NATO allies to pay their fair share or face the reality of the US possibly leaving
Trump has put major pressure on the members of NATO to pay their fair and equal share because there are only a handful of countries in NATO who currently pay as much as agreed upon
Campaign Promise 19: To make America energy independent, relieving us from our dependence on foreign entities, such as OPEC
Trump has taken major steps towards America's energy independence
Campaign Promise 20: To enact a hiring freeze on government employees to help stop corruption
Trump enacted a hiring freeze to all federal employees, cutting down on the over-bloated bureaucracy
Campaign Promise 21: Trump could be the president that takes us to Mars!
Trump signed a Bill allowing NASA funding, including an exploration to Mars
Campaign Promise 22: To undo many of Obama's unconstitutional Executive Orders
Rescinding (one of) Obama's incredibly unconstitutional actions regarding transgender bathrooms in schools
Campaign Promise 23: The repeal and replacement of Obamacare. The recent GOP fallout of AHCA Plan was no fault of Trump's. The blame solely belongs to Speaker Ryan. He created a shit bill and couldn't even capitalize to get enough votes. Obamacare will crash in 2017 when individual mandates kick in and Democrats will be to blame. That is when Trump will truly work to Repeal and Replace it with a plan he promised us.
Trump got rid of the idiotic penalty in Obamacare that fines you if you choose not to participate in the program
Campaign Promise 24: To "Bomb the shit out of ISIS"
A few days ago, Trump dropped the YUGE MOAB on a group of ISIS militants, killing 90+ terrorists and causing damage to underground tunnels and technology
He called for a drone strike in Afghanistan killing Qari Yasin, a Pakistani Al-Qaeda leader
Campaign Promise 25: To not take a salary as President
He donated his first quarterly salary to the National Park Service
Campaign Promise 26: To reform the VA and make it easier for Vets to get more healthcare opportunities
He signed A Bill allowing veterans to seek healthcare outside of the broken VA system
Trump has created the Accountability Office at the VA, making it incredibly easy to oust incompetent VA employees
Campaign Promise 27: To create a much needed tax reform
Trump has laid out an extremely concise, yet effective Tax Reform Plan to lower taxes for Americans and end things like inheritance tax, and to cut corporate tax rates down to 15%
Campaign Promise 28 (Scroll down to see "School Choice and Education Act"): To fix our country's incredibly broken education system
Trump has signed an Executive Order giving the power of our country's education back to state and local authorities
ACTIONS NOT PROMISED ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, BUT HAVE BEEN PUT IN EFFECT:
(Even though it was Mike Pence) The defunding of clinics that perform abortions. Because no matter whether you are pro-choice/pro-life, the government should not be funding abortions. (Also, if people bring up the Hyde Amendment which is supposed to not let any federal funding go towards abortions, LET THEM KNOW that US taxpayers pay for about 24% of abortions despite of that "amendment")
Huge spikes in the NASDAQ average index and the DOW average index starting November 8th. (This will count for Obama unfortunately, but we know where the real credit belongs.)
He has placed sanctions on Iran after they tested ballistic missiles
He has met with/talked to over 68 foreign leaders
He negotiated down the Price of the new Air Force One one billion dollars in a meeting that lasted just one hour
He issued major cuts to the costs of the F-35 saving billions
He has opened the eyes of the American public to just how unbelievably corrupt (pretty believable to most) the Obama Administration was.
After spending 3 years in a prison in Egypt, and absolutely no help from President Obama, humanitarian and US citizen Aya Hijazi has safely returned home and has given all credit to President Trump[/quote]

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:43 am
by Turbogoat
:lol:

I'm convinced. Give Kid Rock a chance! His policies might be genius!

I admire your optimism.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:51 am
by zt1903
Turbogoat wrote::lol:

I'm convinced. Give Kid Rock a chance! His policies might be genius!

I admire your optimism.
I'm not saying his policies might be genius at all, that's a classic strawman. I'm neither optimistic nor pessimistic, I'm reserving judgement.

If you wish to carry on sneering that's your prerogative.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:54 am
by houtkabouter
Have you read that list of bubbles accomplishment ZT?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:54 am
by Big Nipper
Turbogoat wrote::lol:

I'm convinced. Give Kid Rock a chance! His policies might be genius!

I admire your optimism.
He must be trolling. Surely?

:lol:

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:58 am
by Turbogoat
zt1903 wrote:
Turbogoat wrote::lol:

I'm convinced. Give Kid Rock a chance! His policies might be genius!

I admire your optimism.
I'm not saying his policies might be genius at all, that's a classic strawman. I'm neither optimistic nor pessimistic, I'm reserving judgement.

If you wish to carry on sneering that's your prerogative.
I'm not sneering, I'm just judging poor Kid Rock on the only thing we have to go by, his entire life to this date.

Choosing to ignore his entire life to this date isn't reserving judgement, it's willfully ignoring anything and everything that would make him unfit for office.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:59 am
by Turbogoat
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Turbogoat wrote::lol:

I'm convinced. Give Kid Rock a chance! His policies might be genius!

I admire your optimism.
Have you seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSQJ2ULuhb8
Sorry I'm on such a crap internet connection right now I can't even get many pics to open. No chance at any video.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:59 am
by houtkabouter
Turbogoat wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
Turbogoat wrote::lol:

I'm convinced. Give Kid Rock a chance! His policies might be genius!

I admire your optimism.
I'm not saying his policies might be genius at all, that's a classic strawman. I'm neither optimistic nor pessimistic, I'm reserving judgement.

If you wish to carry on sneering that's your prerogative.
I'm not sneering, I'm just judging poor Kid Rock on the only thing we have to go by, his entire life to this date.

Choosing to ignore his entire life to this date isn't reserving judgement, it's willfully ignoring anything and everything that would make him unfit for office.
Are you saying that you aren't supporting Kanye 2020? Give him a chance. He might be nice and have some policies.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:04 pm
by houtkabouter
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Turbogoat wrote::lol:

I'm convinced. Give Kid Rock a chance! His policies might be genius!

I admire your optimism.
Have you seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSQJ2ULuhb8
What's wrong with whale saving?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:07 pm
by RuggaBugga
houtkabouter wrote:Have you read that list of bubbles accomplishment ZT?
Trump might be the president that takes us to Mars.

Tomorrow I'm going to post it again and make you get the crazy eyes.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:11 pm
by zt1903
houtkabouter wrote:Have you read that list of bubbles accomplishment ZT?
I've skimmed it. Why?

I think the point of it is - as per the Scott Adams article I was quoting - for many people Trvmp has "achieved nothing" yet for others there's a long list. It's his long running analogy about people in the same movie theatre watching different movies.
Truth is somewhere in between.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:15 pm
by houtkabouter
zt1903 wrote:
houtkabouter wrote:Have you read that list of bubbles accomplishment ZT?
I've skimmed it. Why?

I think the point of it is - as per the Scott Adams article I was quoting - for many people Trvmp has "achieved nothing" yet for others there's a long list. It's his long running analogy about people in the same movie theatre watching different movies.
Truth is somewhere in between.
You should probably read it.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:19 pm
by Laurent
houtkabouter wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
houtkabouter wrote:Have you read that list of bubbles accomplishment ZT?
I've skimmed it. Why?

I think the point of it is - as per the Scott Adams article I was quoting - for many people Trvmp has "achieved nothing" yet for others there's a long list. It's his long running analogy about people in the same movie theatre watching different movies.
Truth is somewhere in between.
You should probably read it.
You're asking too much

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:34 pm
by 4071
houtkabouter wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
houtkabouter wrote:Have you read that list of bubbles accomplishment ZT?
I've skimmed it. Why?

I think the point of it is - as per the Scott Adams article I was quoting - for many people Trvmp has "achieved nothing" yet for others there's a long list. It's his long running analogy about people in the same movie theatre watching different movies.
Truth is somewhere in between.
You should probably read it.
It's not easy to read because of the compiler's style, and he doesn't help by overloading it with non-deliveries.

It would be nice to get an edited version that is actually a list of genuine achievements, uncrowded by the stuff that shouldn't be there. If you hide a handful of diamonds in a handful of cut glass and claim that they are all diamonds then you lose credibility.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:52 pm
by penguin
4071 wrote:
houtkabouter wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
houtkabouter wrote:Have you read that list of bubbles accomplishment ZT?
I've skimmed it. Why?

I think the point of it is - as per the Scott Adams article I was quoting - for many people Trvmp has "achieved nothing" yet for others there's a long list. It's his long running analogy about people in the same movie theatre watching different movies.
Truth is somewhere in between.
You should probably read it.
It's not easy to read because of the compiler's style, and he doesn't help by overloading it with non-deliveries.

It would be nice to get an edited version that is actually a list of genuine achievements, uncrowded by the stuff that shouldn't be there. If you hide a handful of diamonds in a handful of cut glass and claim that they are all diamonds then you lose credibility.
Yes. There are 'things he had done'...but a lot of that list is trying to shine some turds.

Look at his 4 major campaign 'promises' - build the wall and make mexico pay, lock her up, muslim ban, jobs.

He did get some funding for the wall, but from his own side not mexico, and it was mainly for repairs not new wall and certainly nothing like the wall he talked about.

Lock her up - no. (however was never really going to do it so no surprise there).

Muslim ban - would have got more through earlier if he had just stopped calling it a muslim ban. Managed to trip himself up several times, and then still failed to block the main terrorist states anyway

Jobs - unemployment was trending down when he came in, so most of the good here cannot be chalked up to him, and even then last month saw a downturn, so not exactly a stellar return 6 months in. Things like the carrier deal were very poor when you actually look at the detail and the coal mining stuff is just ignorant of the actual job industry in the US but to be fair the real result of this will take a lot longer to work out.

EDIT - 5. Healthcare. Nope. Nothing.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:08 pm
by zt1903
houtkabouter wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
houtkabouter wrote:Have you read that list of bubbles accomplishment ZT?
I've skimmed it. Why?

I think the point of it is - as per the Scott Adams article I was quoting - for many people Trvmp has "achieved nothing" yet for others there's a long list. It's his long running analogy about people in the same movie theatre watching different movies.
Truth is somewhere in between.
You should probably read it.
It's a reddit list, don't think I'll invest the time. It's pretty obvious that there's a mix of genuine stuff and things that are a stretch. Further, it's not my list and it wasn't important to any point I was making.

Some of the reactions thus far kind of prove Adams' point though.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:19 pm
by 4071
zt1903 wrote:
houtkabouter wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
houtkabouter wrote:Have you read that list of bubbles accomplishment ZT?
I've skimmed it. Why?

I think the point of it is - as per the Scott Adams article I was quoting - for many people Trvmp has "achieved nothing" yet for others there's a long list. It's his long running analogy about people in the same movie theatre watching different movies.
Truth is somewhere in between.
You should probably read it.
It's a reddit list, don't think I'll invest the time. It's pretty obvious that there's a mix of genuine stuff and things that are a stretch. Further, it's not my list and it wasn't important to any point I was making.

Some of the reactions thus far kind of prove Adams' point though.
Speaking as 50% of the reactions you are referring to, I think the content of the list is undermining Adams' point. A list of actual achievements would have been a better idea. And the content is basically in there to make such a list. It just got crowded out by space-filler by someone who seemed to believe that quantity was more valuable than quality.

You wouldn't have to be the most left-learning liberal to start glazing over and ignoring the list, not because of liberal bias or because of cognitive dissonance but simply because it's been poorly put together.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:49 pm
by Marlboro
penguin wrote:
4071 wrote:
houtkabouter wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
houtkabouter wrote:Have you read that list of bubbles accomplishment ZT?
I've skimmed it. Why?

I think the point of it is - as per the Scott Adams article I was quoting - for many people Trvmp has "achieved nothing" yet for others there's a long list. It's his long running analogy about people in the same movie theatre watching different movies.
Truth is somewhere in between.
You should probably read it.
It's not easy to read because of the compiler's style, and he doesn't help by overloading it with non-deliveries.

It would be nice to get an edited version that is actually a list of genuine achievements, uncrowded by the stuff that shouldn't be there. If you hide a handful of diamonds in a handful of cut glass and claim that they are all diamonds then you lose credibility.
Yes. There are 'things he had done'...but a lot of that list is trying to shine some turds.

Look at his 4 major campaign 'promises' - build the wall and make mexico pay, lock her up, muslim ban, jobs.

He did get some funding for the wall, but from his own side not mexico, and it was mainly for repairs not new wall and certainly nothing like the wall he talked about.

Lock her up - no. (however was never really going to do it so no surprise there).

Muslim ban - would have got more through earlier if he had just stopped calling it a muslim ban. Managed to trip himself up several times, and then still failed to block the main terrorist states anyway

Jobs - unemployment was trending down when he came in, so most of the good here cannot be chalked up to him, and even then last month saw a downturn, so not exactly a stellar return 6 months in. Things like the carrier deal were very poor when you actually look at the detail and the coal mining stuff is just ignorant of the actual job industry in the US but to be fair the real result of this will take a lot longer to work out.

EDIT - 5. Healthcare. Nope. Nothing.
I'll give you a hand.

Build a wall - in progress.
Jobs - tick.
Travel ban - tick.
Healthcare - fail so far
Lock her up - watch this space.


Not bad for 6 months work.

Thats not including Drain The Swamp which will be ongoing but a success so far, nor the repeal 2 laws for every new one which is a big tick.

Same with illegal immigration.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:07 pm
by penguin
Marlboro wrote:
I'll give you a hand.

Build a wall - in progress.
Jobs - tick.
Travel ban - tick.
Healthcare - fail so far
Lock her up - watch this space.


Not bad for 6 months work.

Thats not including Drain The Swamp which will be ongoing but a success so far, nor the repeal 2 laws for every new one which is a big tick.

Same with illegal immigration.
Please don't if that is the standard of your efforts.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:31 pm
by houtkabouter
How many jobs has he created Marlboro?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:47 pm
by Marlboro
houtkabouter wrote:How many jobs has he created Marlboro?
About 400 or so in the coal industry, wasn't it? Unless you count the 800 jobs he saved at Carrier. (Soon to be 200 apparently - 600 people will be getting fired for Christmas I heard).

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:48 pm
by Sandstorm
houtkabouter wrote:How many jobs has he created Marlboro?
All those guys hired to investigate his dodgy Russian connections?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:51 pm
by Marlboro
Sandstorm wrote:
houtkabouter wrote:How many jobs has he created Marlboro?
All those guys hired to investigate his dodgy Russian connections?
Taxpayer dollars - they don't count(unlike the last lot).

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:51 pm
by Saturnine
Marlboro wrote:
penguin wrote:
4071 wrote:
houtkabouter wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
I've skimmed it. Why?

I think the point of it is - as per the Scott Adams article I was quoting - for many people Trvmp has "achieved nothing" yet for others there's a long list. It's his long running analogy about people in the same movie theatre watching different movies.
Truth is somewhere in between.
You should probably read it.
It's not easy to read because of the compiler's style, and he doesn't help by overloading it with non-deliveries.

It would be nice to get an edited version that is actually a list of genuine achievements, uncrowded by the stuff that shouldn't be there. If you hide a handful of diamonds in a handful of cut glass and claim that they are all diamonds then you lose credibility.
Yes. There are 'things he had done'...but a lot of that list is trying to shine some turds.

Look at his 4 major campaign 'promises' - build the wall and make mexico pay, lock her up, muslim ban, jobs.

He did get some funding for the wall, but from his own side not mexico, and it was mainly for repairs not new wall and certainly nothing like the wall he talked about.

Lock her up - no. (however was never really going to do it so no surprise there).

Muslim ban - would have got more through earlier if he had just stopped calling it a muslim ban. Managed to trip himself up several times, and then still failed to block the main terrorist states anyway

Jobs - unemployment was trending down when he came in, so most of the good here cannot be chalked up to him, and even then last month saw a downturn, so not exactly a stellar return 6 months in. Things like the carrier deal were very poor when you actually look at the detail and the coal mining stuff is just ignorant of the actual job industry in the US but to be fair the real result of this will take a lot longer to work out.

EDIT - 5. Healthcare. Nope. Nothing.
I'll give you a hand.

Build a wall - Fail.
Jobs - tick.
Travel ban - Partial tick.
Healthcare - Fail
Lock her up - Fail.


Pretty hopeless for 6 months work - especially considering the promises he made.

Thats not including Drain The Swamp which will be ongoing but a success so far - :lol: :lol: His machine to "Drain the Swamp" has the lever on 'Blow', not 'Suck'!!
As a centrist - and therefore unbiased - I've fixed the above for you.

You're welcome.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:55 pm
by Chuckles1188
houtkabouter wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
houtkabouter wrote:Have you read that list of bubbles accomplishment ZT?
I've skimmed it. Why?

I think the point of it is - as per the Scott Adams article I was quoting - for many people Trvmp has "achieved nothing" yet for others there's a long list. It's his long running analogy about people in the same movie theatre watching different movies.
Truth is somewhere in between.
You should probably read it.
He should.


But won't

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:56 pm
by Chuckles1188
What a surprise, Scott Adams throws out a huge mess of information of varying quality in order to obfuscate the question of whether or not he has atypical insight. Colour me shocked

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:02 pm
by Marlboro
Saturnine wrote:
Build a wall - Fail.
Jobs - tick.
Travel ban - Partial tick.
Healthcare - Fail
Lock her up - Fail.


Pretty hopeless for 6 months work - especially considering the promises he made.

Thats not including Drain The Swamp which will be ongoing but a success so far - :lol: :lol: His machine to "Drain the Swamp" has the lever on 'Blow', not 'Suck'!!
As a centrist - and therefore unbiased - I've fixed the above for you.

You're welcome.
You're all centrists.

Weird f*cks.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:22 pm
by houtkabouter
Marlboro wrote:
houtkabouter wrote:How many jobs has he created Marlboro?
About 400 or so in the coal industry, wasn't it? Unless you count the 800 jobs he saved at Carrier. (Soon to be 200 apparently - 600 people will be getting fired for Christmas I heard).
that's probably pretty close.

Let me help you.

Adds (Takes credit for everything)
http://fortune.com/2017/03/29/president ... act-check/

Loss estimations from his budget
http://fortune.com/2017/03/16/trumps-bu ... eral-jobs/

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:41 pm
by Deadtigers
The general rule by economists and historians is that a president's economic effects take place a year after he is elected and last until a year after the leave. However, in the case of Trump, the same people that were on here like Trump himself, claiming the DoL Job calculations were cooked are now trying to say these are in Trumps favor are a joke.

But that is the thing, that really is insulting. No surprise Trump apologist Zt quotes a famous Trump apologist. Presidents are measured my major legislation they pass. However the leader of a party that denounces snowflakes and participation trophies wants one for their guy. No major economic legislation but give Trumpito credit for riding the black guys policy, same on jobs. We use the same metric used against the black guy and previous presidents from both sides of the aisle. There has been no major announcement that can be credited to Trump since any factory opening or placement requires almost a year's planning at least.

Now if Trumpkins want to give their failed leader credit like Adams and Zt want to do, they can not his decisions that strip the EPA of any use, His decision to stop already allocated funding on teen pregnancy research. Side note on this, Teen Pregnancy has been at a record and the research was about identifying the effective methods and was already funded for the full years under Obama, two years left to go Trump has decided despite not having a budget in front of Congress for debate and with no numbers to back him up, has ended it. The people most happy with Trump are the "Christian conservatives" that support orders like the Transcended ban (which may not occur) and his religious freedom signing.The travel ban which is only partially effective after months of bumbling start and is still in danger. The Gorsuch seat which is completely McConnell's work. These are the things Trumpkins can celebrate. These achievements do effect all of us but they are not major achievements in anyway when compared to even W.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:26 pm
by Salient
Marlboro wrote:
I'll give you a hand.

Build a wall - in progress.
Jobs - tick.
Travel ban - tick.
Healthcare - fail so far
Lock her up - watch this space.


Not bad for 6 months work.

Thats not including Drain The Swamp which will be ongoing but a success so far, nor the repeal 2 laws for every new one which is a big tick.

Same with illegal immigration.
Its like the idiocy just drips off this post :shock: Explains One Nation getting votes I guess. But you are right about Draining the swamp, he has successfully achieved that, drained it right into his cabinet :roll:

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:30 pm
by Uncle Fester
Most of that list is executive orders. Any ole mong could sign an executive order. It's worthless without a bit of gruntwork in the background to actually implement it and that's where the White House in meltdown but comes in.