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ruskeye7 wrote:

Santa wrote:

ruskeye7 wrote:

Santa wrote:According to this article nobody know how many children were separated from their families (or accompanying adults) under Obama; probably not many. Families tended to be detained together so we know that that's alright.

It also says that nobody knows how many of the 2.5k separated under Trump were due to the zero tolerance policy and how many were for other reasons.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... 728060002/

Still apples (Trump admin operated for several months with a policy of separating families) and oranges (as the fact checking articles state we have no idea how many families were separated under previous administrations and their policies).

Separation wasn't a Trump policy. It was a consequence of the zero tolerance policy.

So family separations were an unintended consequence of the zero tolerance policy?

I don't know.

You realise ofcourse there are documents stating they’re using family separation as a deterrent.

A fact it’s been mentioned a few times in this thread.

It’s not a consequence, it’s a conscious decision by Trump administration.

fishooks15 wrote:

The Optimist wrote:

fishooks15 wrote:Separating kids may not have been Obama policy but he literally opened detention centres and deported more people than the last two presidents combined. He was a backer of ICE and a wolf in sheep's clothing when it came to immigration

His lame duck neo-lib presidency is a huge part of the reason America has a giant soft headed child as president

The hypocrisy of him tweeting about the horrors (genuine) of Trump's (Steven Miller) immigration policy knows no bounds

The problem is not with detention centers or deporting illegal people. You should not be separating children from their parents, gassing jews or plucking the wings off flies. WTF is the matter with you? Are you a sicko little pervert. Your whole policy is to make excuses/justifications for your sick little demented evil doings. Normal people have a moral compass, don't lie, don't kill, don't torture people, don't grab women by the pussy.

His lame duck neo-lib presidency is a huge part of the reason America has a giant soft headed child as president

No! No! No! You don't get to blame Adolf Hitler. You little brownshirted facist nazis voted him in, you believe is every lie, embolden the liar in chief, you idolise at the feet of a racist lying trump, a false idol who spouts lies and shit about a whites only utopia with opiates aplenty and jobs for lazy uneducated gun toting, banjo playing, keep it in the family bible bashers. fishook you got exactly what you wanted, exactly what you voted for... exactly what you deserved. So get on your knees and suck moma's dick and do play me a square dance diddy on your banjo... son.

whut?

He either posts when drunk or is a genuine psychopath. Either way I wouldn't engage.

houtkabouter wrote:You realise ofcourse there are documents stating they’re using family separation as a deterrent.

A fact it’s been mentioned a few times in this thread.

It’s not a consequence, it’s a conscious decision by Trump administration.

So they knew zero tolerance might result in separation. Wow. It is a consequence. They can't just separate. They have to have a prior criminal proceeding.

Santa wrote:

houtkabouter wrote:You realise ofcourse there are documents stating they’re using family separation as a deterrent.

A fact it’s been mentioned a few times in this thread.

It’s not a consequence, it’s a conscious decision by Trump administration.

So they knew zero tolerance might result in separation. Wow. It is a consequence. They can't just separate. They have to have a prior criminal proceeding.

I hope you have no children.
The crap you come out with.
If you do have kids give up the computer and read them a bedtime story.

Leinster in London wrote:

Santa wrote:

houtkabouter wrote:You realise ofcourse there are documents stating they’re using family separation as a deterrent.

A fact it’s been mentioned a few times in this thread.

It’s not a consequence, it’s a conscious decision by Trump administration.

So they knew zero tolerance might result in separation. Wow. It is a consequence. They can't just separate. They have to have a prior criminal proceeding.

I hope you have no children.
The crap you come out with.
If you do have kids give up the computer and read them a bedtime story.

You appear to be questioning my parenting. Nice.

I never really understood “there are none so blind as those that will not see” before this thread.

AD345 wrote:I never really understood “there are none so blind as those that will not see” before this thread.

Cryptic. Is expansion possible?

Santa wrote:

AD345 wrote:I never really understood “there are none so blind as those that will not see” before this thread.

Cryptic. Is expansion possible?

On phone

At work

So, yes but later

For clarity, initial comment not aimed at preceding post

AD345 wrote:

Santa wrote:

AD345 wrote:I never really understood “there are none so blind as those that will not see” before this thread.

Cryptic. Is expansion possible?

On phone

At work

So, yes but later

For clarity, initial comment not aimed at preceding post

The Optimist wrote:

fishooks15 wrote:Separating kids may not have been Obama policy but he literally opened detention centres and deported more people than the last two presidents combined. He was a backer of ICE and a wolf in sheep's clothing when it came to immigration

His lame duck neo-lib presidency is a huge part of the reason America has a giant soft headed child as president

The hypocrisy of him tweeting about the horrors (genuine) of Trump's (Steven Miller) immigration policy knows no bounds

The problem is not with detention centers or deporting illegal people. You should not be separating children from their parents, gassing jews or plucking the wings off flies. WTF is the matter with you? Are you a sicko little pervert. Your whole policy is to make excuses/justifications for your sick little demented evil doings. Normal people have a moral compass, don't lie, don't kill, don't torture people, don't grab women by the pussy.

His lame duck neo-lib presidency is a huge part of the reason America has a giant soft headed child as president

No! No! No! You don't get to blame Adolf Hitler. You little brownshirted facist nazis voted him in, you believe is every lie, embolden the liar in chief, you idolise at the feet of a racist lying trump, a false idol who spouts lies and shit about a whites only utopia with opiates aplenty and jobs for lazy uneducated gun toting, banjo playing, keep it in the family bible bashers. fishook you got exactly what you wanted, exactly what you voted for... exactly what you deserved. So get on your knees and suck moma's dick and do play me a square dance diddy on your banjo... son.

Oh goody another loon.

Rod Rosenstein comes over better than I thought he would. He looks more like a computer nerd in press photos but his demeanor is highly professional and neutral, not one of the swamp makers.

Flockwitt wrote:Rod Rosenstein comes over better than I thought he would. He looks more like a computer nerd in press photos but his demeanor is highly professional and neutral, not one of the swamp makers.

You can see why Trump doesn't like him.....

Flockwitt wrote:Rod Rosenstein comes over better than I thought he would. He looks more like a computer nerd in press photos but his demeanor is highly professional and neutral, not one of the swamp makers.

He laid a good burn on Rep Jordan.

And as for Trey "let's have another Benghazi investigation" Gowdy having the temerity to say to Rosenstein effectively "enough already with the Mueller investigation" indicates that Gowdy has very little self awareness in addition to no stamina.

The 14 day / 30 day decisions re rejoining families seem set up to failure. Many kids were sent alone or with coyotes so you would need to "prove" everyone is who they say they are. DNA testing for any undocumented refugees would be a minimum requirement. Its in these shitty situations around the world that many kids have gone missing or ended up in trafficking rings.

Kiwias wrote:
Nice try to paint Obama as just as bad as trump but the truth is tht there is a far higher number of children separated from their parents now than under Obama. Separating children was not a policy under Obama, rather a result in a small number of cases.

Sorry I didn't realise it is the quantity that is the issue, not the policy itself.

It was my understanding that this policy was morally wrong in itself

So how many children would be acceptable to meet the Obama standard of righteousness?

But Hilary, Benghazi, Emails

I win

_fatprop wrote:

Kiwias wrote:
Nice try to paint Obama as just as bad as trump but the truth is tht there is a far higher number of children separated from their parents now than under Obama. Separating children was not a policy under Obama, rather a result in a small number of cases.

Sorry I didn't realise it is the quantity that is the issue, not the policy itself.

It was my understanding that this policy was morally wrong in itself

So how many children would be acceptable to meet the Obama standard of righteousness?

Nice try but no cigar.

You know that Trump's introduction of zero tolerance this year caused a predictable explosion in the number of children separated from their parents, the parents now all facing indictment and deportation and who gives a fudge if they end up being deported without their children. This was never an Obama policy.

Before you get all snarky again, let me say that I am fully aware Obama was an aggressive proponent of deportation, which Trump obviously does not know.

Kiwias wrote:

_fatprop wrote:

Kiwias wrote:
Nice try to paint Obama as just as bad as trump but the truth is tht there is a far higher number of children separated from their parents now than under Obama. Separating children was not a policy under Obama, rather a result in a small number of cases.

Sorry I didn't realise it is the quantity that is the issue, not the policy itself.

It was my understanding that this policy was morally wrong in itself

So how many children would be acceptable to meet the Obama standard of righteousness?

Nice try but no cigar.

You know that Trump's introduction of zero tolerance this year caused a predictable explosion in the number of children separated from their parents, the parents now all facing indictment and deportation and who gives a fudge if they end up being deported without their children. This was never an Obama policy.

LOL Obama 2014

https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-obtains- ... us-custody

_fatprop wrote:

Kiwias wrote:

_fatprop wrote:

Kiwias wrote:
Nice try to paint Obama as just as bad as trump but the truth is tht there is a far higher number of children separated from their parents now than under Obama. Separating children was not a policy under Obama, rather a result in a small number of cases.

Sorry I didn't realise it is the quantity that is the issue, not the policy itself.

It was my understanding that this policy was morally wrong in itself

So how many children would be acceptable to meet the Obama standard of righteousness?

Nice try but no cigar.

You know that Trump's introduction of zero tolerance this year caused a predictable explosion in the number of children separated from their parents, the parents now all facing indictment and deportation and who gives a fudge if they end up being deported without their children. This was never an Obama policy.

LOL Obama 2014

https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-obtains- ... us-custody

“It’s terrifying to think that the horrible abuses described in these documents can continue and perhaps worsen under the Trump administration

_fatprop wrote:
LOL Obama 2014

https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-obtains- ... us-custody

The key is in the first paragraph.

New Report Is Based on Thousands of Government Documents Obtained Through the Freedom of Information Act That Detail Horrific Stories
May 22, 2018

WASHINGTON — Documents obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union featured in a new report released today show the pervasive abuse and neglect of unaccompanied immigrant children detained by U.S. Customs and Border Protection. The report was produced in conjunction with the International Human Rights Clinic at the University of Chicago Law School.

This was a response, clearly a pretty f**ked up response, to UNACCOMPANIED immigrant children entering the country. It is not the same as what is happening right now but you obviously will not admit that. You're like Mog with one of his bones.

Kiwias wrote:

_fatprop wrote:
LOL Obama 2014

https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-obtains- ... us-custody

The key is in the first paragraph.

New Report Is Based on Thousands of Government Documents Obtained Through the Freedom of Information Act That Detail Horrific Stories
May 22, 2018

WASHINGTON — Documents obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union featured in a new report released today show the pervasive abuse and neglect of unaccompanied immigrant children detained by U.S. Customs and Border Protection. The report was produced in conjunction with the International Human Rights Clinic at the University of Chicago Law School.

This was a response, clearly a pretty f**ked up response, to UNACCOMPANIED immigrant children entering the country. It is not the same as what is happening right now but you obviously will not admit that. You're like Mog with one of his bones.

It's not happening right now is It? Trump has ordered children to be detained with their parents a la Obama.

Only because fake libtard cuck snowflake news highlighted the issue.

If they didn’t it would still be consequencing.

Well whether you agree with the ICE stuff or not, worryingly for the Dems it appears that the general public largely agree with the Donald.

In addition to a double digit increase in support for the President among Latinos a recent Harris poll found the following (c&p from elsewhere)

http://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content ... e_Memo.pdf

70% want stricter enforcement of immigration laws
63% agree with Trump's DACA compromise
73% agree with Trump's reversal of his separation policy
61% agree with Trump that our border security is "inadequate"
84% side with Trump against sanctuary city policies blocking notification of ICE
76% are against the idea of "open borders," and 69% are against the notion of disbanding ICE
64% believe those who cross illegally should be sent home, and 61% said even those with children should be sent home
55% want to hold illegal immigrants in custody (as opposed to 45% who agree with the Democrats' "catch and release" policy)
53% say illegal crossing families with children should be held (47% said they should be released)
88% believe parents and children should be held together
48% said illegal immigration reduces wages to workers (42% said it has no effect; just 10% said it increases wages)
38% said immigration was the most important issue facing the country (the highest percentage of any issue)

The Dems are banging the drum hard on this, it doesn’t look like a winning issue.

Where’s the percentage who think families should be separated?

I notice 73% agree with his reversal.

73% of people also agree that milk should not be spilled.

The rest think spilled milk is a sign of white superiority.

Enzedder wrote:

And don't you forget it

This was the topic of discussion on Melvyn Bragg's show on Radio 4 last night.

Largely the work of an expansionist warmonger Democrat (James Polk) who wanted to extend the reach of the slave States post-Missouri compromise and is also notable for the genocide committed against the Native American population.

zt1903 wrote:Well whether you agree with the ICE stuff or not, worryingly for the Dems it appears that the general public largely agree with the Donald.

In addition to a double digit increase in support for the President among Latinos a recent Harris poll found the following (c&p from elsewhere)

http://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content ... e_Memo.pdf

70% want stricter enforcement of immigration laws
63% agree with Trump's DACA compromise
73% agree with Trump's reversal of his separation policy
61% agree with Trump that our border security is "inadequate"
84% side with Trump against sanctuary city policies blocking notification of ICE
76% are against the idea of "open borders," and 69% are against the notion of disbanding ICE
64% believe those who cross illegally should be sent home, and 61% said even those with children should be sent home
55% want to hold illegal immigrants in custody (as opposed to 45% who agree with the Democrats' "catch and release" policy)
53% say illegal crossing families with children should be held (47% said they should be released)
88% believe parents and children should be held together
48% said illegal immigration reduces wages to workers (42% said it has no effect; just 10% said it increases wages)
38% said immigration was the most important issue facing the country (the highest percentage of any issue)

The Dems are banging the drum hard on this, it doesn’t look like a winning issue.

So on one hand Obama is being accused of being this brutal president deporting more illegal immigrants than any president before him, while on the other hand the Democrats are accused of wanting an open border and free entry to anyone.

Make your minds up, kiddies.

Sen do you like to play Bronski Beat’s Greatest Hits while you daydream about massaging Donald’s prostate?
I think it’s just lovely you can play around with your fantasies not harming a soul.

Seneca of the Night wrote:

eugenefraxby wrote:Sen do you like to play Bronski Beat’s Greatest Hits while you daydream about massaging Donald’s prostate?
I think it’s just lovely you can play around with your fantasies not harming a soul.

Shouldn't you be on the golf course?

Answer the question dammit.

Santa wrote:

Seneca of the Night wrote:

eugenefraxby wrote:Sen do you like to play Bronski Beat’s Greatest Hits while you daydream about massaging Donald’s prostate?
I think it’s just lovely you can play around with your fantasies not harming a soul.

Shouldn't you be on the golf course?

Answer the question dammit.

The answer is yes.

We should all be on the golf course.

As should Donald Trump.

Kiwias wrote:

zt1903 wrote:Well whether you agree with the ICE stuff or not, worryingly for the Dems it appears that the general public largely agree with the Donald.

In addition to a double digit increase in support for the President among Latinos a recent Harris poll found the following (c&p from elsewhere)

http://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content ... e_Memo.pdf

70% want stricter enforcement of immigration laws
63% agree with Trump's DACA compromise
73% agree with Trump's reversal of his separation policy
61% agree with Trump that our border security is "inadequate"
84% side with Trump against sanctuary city policies blocking notification of ICE
76% are against the idea of "open borders," and 69% are against the notion of disbanding ICE
64% believe those who cross illegally should be sent home, and 61% said even those with children should be sent home
55% want to hold illegal immigrants in custody (as opposed to 45% who agree with the Democrats' "catch and release" policy)
53% say illegal crossing families with children should be held (47% said they should be released)
88% believe parents and children should be held together
48% said illegal immigration reduces wages to workers (42% said it has no effect; just 10% said it increases wages)
38% said immigration was the most important issue facing the country (the highest percentage of any issue)

The Dems are banging the drum hard on this, it doesn’t look like a winning issue.

So on one hand Obama is being accused of being this brutal president deporting more illegal immigrants than any president before him, while on the other hand the Democrats are accused of wanting an open border and free entry to anyone.

Make your minds up, kiddies.

Well your strawman was never my argument.

Rather my view was that the media, and many politicians, are hypocritical to attack Trump when the previous guys were doing much the same.

Further, the hypocrisy of the Democrats is accentuated insofar as they clearly have no intention of resolving the immigration issues through the legislative branch, they appear to believe that it helps them politically.

zt1903 wrote:

Kiwias wrote: So on one hand Obama is being accused of being this brutal president deporting more illegal immigrants than any president before him, while on the other hand the Democrats are accused of wanting an open border and free entry to anyone.

Make your minds up, kiddies.

Well your strawman was never my argument.

Rather my view was that the media, and many politicians, are hypocritical to attack Trump when the previous guys were doing much the same.

Further, the hypocrisy of the Democrats is accentuated insofar as they clearly have no intention of resolving the immigration issues through the legislative branch, they appear to believe that it helps them politically.

I think the point is that it is not the same.

Kiwias wrote:

zt1903 wrote:

Kiwias wrote: So on one hand Obama is being accused of being this brutal president deporting more illegal immigrants than any president before him, while on the other hand the Democrats are accused of wanting an open border and free entry to anyone.

Make your minds up, kiddies.

Well your strawman was never my argument.

Rather my view was that the media, and many politicians, are hypocritical to attack Trump when the previous guys were doing much the same.

Further, the hypocrisy of the Democrats is accentuated insofar as they clearly have no intention of resolving the immigration issues through the legislative branch, they appear to believe that it helps them politically.

I think the point is that it is not the same.

Aye, right.

zt1903 wrote:

Kiwias wrote:

zt1903 wrote:

Kiwias wrote: So on one hand Obama is being accused of being this brutal president deporting more illegal immigrants than any president before him, while on the other hand the Democrats are accused of wanting an open border and free entry to anyone.

Make your minds up, kiddies.

Well your strawman was never my argument.

Rather my view was that the media, and many politicians, are hypocritical to attack Trump when the previous guys were doing much the same.

Further, the hypocrisy of the Democrats is accentuated insofar as they clearly have no intention of resolving the immigration issues through the legislative branch, they appear to believe that it helps them politically.

I think the point is that it is not the same.

Aye, right.

Mass deportation of illegal immigrants as families and of unaccompanied minors.

Zero-tolerance for asylum seekers not crossing at legal points and deportation of the adults after separating the children and not attempting to reunite before the parents are deported.

Spot the difference.

zt1903 wrote: Further, the hypocrisy of the Democrats is accentuated insofar as they clearly have no intention of resolving the immigration issues through the legislative branch, they appear to believe that it helps them politically.

That's what I find so amusing about American politics. Both sides are accusing each other of not fixing problems because it gives them a platform to beat the other with.

They say Republicans can't / won't reform immigration, because they need MS13 and Muslim immigrant threats to fire up and mobilise their base.

And here you say the Democrats don't want to reform immigration policy because what? They benefit from Republicans picking on minorities? That's an interesting point of view I hadn't encountered before.

So do we think Drumpf’s constant attacks on the media led to this shooting at the local paper in Maryland? I’d be very surprised if these shooters weren’t part of Donnie’s base...

theaxe wrote:So do we think Drumpf’s constant attacks on the media led to this shooting at the local paper in Maryland? I’d be very surprised if these shooters weren’t part of Donnie’s base...

He sued the paper unsuccessfully a few years back. Pre-Trump...but a literal attack on the media will no doubt have people jumping to that conclusion. If there's a picture of him with a MAGA hat on him then it will certainly look like that, but the seed was sown beforehand.

Blake wrote:

zt1903 wrote: Further, the hypocrisy of the Democrats is accentuated insofar as they clearly have no intention of resolving the immigration issues through the legislative branch, they appear to believe that it helps them politically.

That's what I find so amusing about American politics. Both sides are accusing each other of not fixing problems because it gives them a platform to beat the other with.

They say Republicans can't / won't reform immigration, because they need MS13 and Muslim immigrant threats to fire up and mobilise their base.

And here you say the Democrats don't want to reform immigration policy because what? They benefit from Republicans picking on minorities? That's an interesting point of view I hadn't encountered before.

I’m not saying that the Republicans are above playing politics, they clearly do it. However, on this issue they are clearly trying to legislate. It is plain as day that the Dems don’t want to play, Schumer has made it quite clear.

The cynical view is that Democrats don’t want to fix immigration because a) they get to make the GOP look like the nasty oarty and b) illegals vote overwhelmingly for the Dems.

A core of Republicans also don’t want to fix it because business likes the cheap labour.

penguin wrote:

theaxe wrote:So do we think Drumpf’s constant attacks on the media led to this shooting at the local paper in Maryland? I’d be very surprised if these shooters weren’t part of Donnie’s base...

He sued the paper unsuccessfully a few years back. Pre-Trump...but a literal attack on the media will no doubt have people jumping to that conclusion. If there's a picture of him with a MAGA hat on him then it will certainly look like that, but the seed was sown beforehand.

What if he's a democrat? Waters at fault you reckon?