That's because you've been hysterical.

I would suggest that Trump's first year as POTUS has been the most successful first year ever.

We can discuss the facts if you like?

It'll be interesting to see how those guys react, for sure. Those that haven't been banned for racism, that is.

Could be a very good thing, if NK agree to give up their nukes, although they'll definitely be holding out for a fair bit in return. Luckily, the rest of the world has the Master of the art of the idea of the essence of the deal ready to do the negotiating.

There are several hurdles. Currently, there is only a 50/50 chance that Trump will negotiate with the correct Korea.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... korea.html

The two leaders may also get a bit distracted if they start swapping hair styling tips or military parade planning ideas.

Could be a great victory, could come at a great cost, may even be a Pyrrhic victory, or could be an utter clusterfuck. Will certainly be interesting to see how it plays out.

A die-hard Trump supporter got stuck into Stormy Daniels on Twitter.

1994: N Korea signs agreement to freeze its plutonium weapons program

2002: US finds out Pyongyang is secretly pursuing uranium enrichment; deal collapses

2005: N Korea commits to denuclearization

2006: N Korea tests its first nuclear device

2018: TBD

From Ian Bremmer on twitter.

If something good comes from this great but I'm sceptical.

Same. Donny will lose a lot of face if he can't get something from a face to face meeting

Humility and passivity do not well serve those who truly believe the liberal capitalist order hammered out after the Second World War is of the greatest benefit to the greatest number. Concessions to illiberal populists or chauvinistic nationalists should not be the product of charity or self-doubt. They should be hard-won, and only after a bitterly contested ordeal. These kinds of martial metaphors will yield bouts of feigned indignation from populist nationalists who freely and recklessly resort to such language themselves, but this, too, amounts to mere theatrics. If capitalist democrats believe their model is the means by which the greatest number will benefit, and contend that their opponents are dangerously wrong, they need to start acting like it.

It has been more than a generation since the West confronted a peer competitor that championed an alternative model to the kind of liberalized global economic integration that emerged after the collapse of the Berlin Wall. As such, our skill at championing a model of social organization unapologetically, without fear or favor, has atrophied. That’s an aptitude that we will have to re-learn, and soon. If populist nationalism is to be contained, it cannot be subsumed into greater liberalism and its malcontents mollified by social-welfare programs. The very idea of populist nationalism will have to be overwhelmed. As soon as advocates of unfettered freedom and commerce come to that conclusion, that necessary work can begin.

A die-hard Trump supporter got stuck into Stormy Daniels on Twitter.

It'll be interesting to see how those guys react, for sure. Those that haven't been banned for racism, that is.

Could be a very good thing, if NK agree to give up their nukes, although they'll definitely be holding out for a fair bit in return. Luckily, the rest of the world has the Master of the art of the idea of the essence of the deal ready to do the negotiating.

There are several hurdles. Currently, there is only a 50/50 chance that Trump will negotiate with the correct Korea.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... korea.html

The two leaders may also get a bit distracted if they start swapping hair styling tips or military parade planning ideas.

Could be a great victory, could come at a great cost, may even be a Pyrrhic victory, or could be an utter clusterfuck. Will certainly be interesting to see how it plays out.

I'd say possibly at this stage. A lot can happen in two months, I mean nobody expected this on Monday, did they?

The last 5 leaders of the USA actually did talk to NK, just through diplomats rather than face to face. They also came up with lots of agreements which the North Koreans systematically undermined and broke. So forgive me my pessimism.

And that is exactly the point, it's the diplomats that make things happen, they have never stopped talking. Kim has played Trump beautifully and lured him into a meeting that the USA has absolutely no hope of being ready for. These types of summits take months, even years, to get to the stage where 2 leaders can sit down and make something meaningful happen - Trumps disfunctional administration, without even a decent diplomat currently in Korea, hopes to do this in a few weeks?

NK are going to make the US look like complete fools and there is no way, no way at all, they will be sitting down for a chat in May.

And that is exactly the point, it's the diplomats that make things happen, they have never stopped talking. Kim has played Trump beautifully and lured him into a meeting that the USA has absolutely no hope of being ready for. These types of summits take months, even years, to get to the stage where 2 leaders can sit down and make something meaningful happen - Trumps disfunctional administration, without even a decent diplomat currently in Korea, hopes to do this in a few weeks?

NK are going to make the US look like complete fools and there is no way, no way at all, they will be sitting down for a chat in May.

As far as I see it denuclearization is an existential thing for NK, they're not going to give it up.

Agreed here. The US also has no diplomatic links to speak with now with NK, there's nothing there. So if a meeting were to take place there's nobody to actually do the negotiating when the leader photocalls are done with. And considering most of the state department posts remain unfilled it seems wishful thinking that they'd fill those posts and sort any sort of agenda or strategy in a couple of weeks.

I kind of see something happening just before any meeting, expect a NK nuclear or missle test or a US military drill or flyover as both swing dicks beforehand, and watch how it caves everything in. And probably the North Koreans will have gotten their conditional sanction relief before then, or foreign aid.

As far as I see it denuclearization is an existential thing for NK, they're not going to give it up.

This.

Sounds dangerous. Who do you think would be first to attack them if they get rid of their nukes?

The question should be who do the North Koreans think would be the first to attack them if they got rid of their nukes.

They'd still want to have some form of security against any of their imagined aggressors, who may stem back to 1953 and they're still considering a ROK/USA force massing on their border as a likely threat. Maybe.

Only Dennis Rodman can say for sure.

Joseph Yun, the U.S. envoy in charge of negotiating with North Korea, quit last week, and Trump has yet to nominate an ambassador to South Korea.

Juat working this through.

List of potential attackers

1. South Korea
2. United States
3. China
4. Russia
5. Japan

Anyone else?

So which of those does North Korea think so attack them if they de-nuke and why do they think it?

Do you reckon they think the US will pile in as soon as they don't have nukes?

It's interesting. In many ways I think Tump's decision is a good one superficially, even if the meeting lacks substance. But there's other sides to it and risks. It's no secret that N. Korea's wanted this meeting since forever... for whatever reason.

There is a bit going on behind the scenes which also raise questions:

Do you reckon they think the US will pile in as soon as they don't have nukes?

The regime have spent many years persuading their population that is what would happen.So what they really think doesn't really matter.

It wouldn't be in their interests, you'd hope, but it might boil down to how ruffled Trump felt his ego became. He got manip[/code]ulated into a fairly large drone strike on Syria about a year ago, maybe he's due for another one.

DPRK still have a shit ton of other weapons including chemical and bio that would pose a massive threat to South Korea so they'd be doing their damnedest to prevent any attacks on a suddenly no-nuclear DPRK.

Wut?

They are not stupid and probably don't believe America will attack them if they don't have nukes. Point is they have done their best to make sure that is what their population believes and that is why denuclearization is not and will never be (without regime change) on the table.

Do you reckon they think the US will pile in as soon as they don't have nukes?

Personally, I worry about the prospect having the two batshit-crazy retards in the same room together.

So the dictator is slave to the beliefs of his people you reckon?

The only way I could see NK giving up their nukes (or even a significant reduction) would be if they got the US to agree to withdraw troops from SK. Which Trump, as an isolationist, probably wouldn't mind.

Win win. Except for SK, of course.