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Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:08 am
by Bowens
I see Ivanka is doing nothing.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:13 am
by _fatprop
Saint wrote:Prediction: In less than 10 years, you'll be able to purchase a 3d printer capable of printing a metal handgun to the tolerances of anything you can buy today - for less than 1K GBP

Other than extremely large or complex objects, you'll only be paying for design in future (maybe 20-30 years)
The only way I can see it stopped is some sort proprietary system built in to limit the designs available for each printer, a complex new design approval process etc etc,

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:17 am
by flaggETERNAL
Jay Cee Gee wrote:Ben Carson (?) is rowing the wrong way!
Sounds about right. On that note, that's a very white boat.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:22 am
by fishfoodie
_fatprop wrote:
Saint wrote:Prediction: In less than 10 years, you'll be able to purchase a 3d printer capable of printing a metal handgun to the tolerances of anything you can buy today - for less than 1K GBP

Other than extremely large or complex objects, you'll only be paying for design in future (maybe 20-30 years)
The only way I can see it stopped is some sort proprietary system built in to limit the designs available for each printer, a complex new design approval process etc etc,
then the Chinese will just build another version without that s/w, & charge a bit extra for that version.

it would probably be impossible to implement anyway; it's not like the way copiers fup up currency; that's just a few thousand items; there are millions of designs you would have to blacklist; you could just adjust a few dimensions by a micron here, & there, & you'd make it impossible to correlate the requested item, to any of the banned items.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:34 am
by kiwinoz
flaggETERNAL wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:Ben Carson (?) is rowing the wrong way!
Sounds about right. On that note, that's a very white boat.
White boats are okay! ;)

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:49 am
by flaggETERNAL
kiwinoz wrote:
flaggETERNAL wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:Ben Carson (?) is rowing the wrong way!
Sounds about right. On that note, that's a very white boat.
White boats are okay! ;)
White boat is best boat!

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:47 am
by Mr Mike
fishfoodie wrote:None of the hunters are wearing hi-viz jackets. You'd think the GOP would have learned something from GWB shooting his Lawyer :x
Dick Cheney, and the lesson was use larger gauge shot.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:28 am
by merry!
welcome to page 1984
What Are the FBI and CIA Hiding?

By Thomas J. Baker

July 31, 2018 7:11 p.m. ET

Did the Central Intelligence Agency lead the Federal Bureau of Investigation down a rabbit hole in the counterintelligence investigation of Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign?

Although the FBI’s case officially began July 31, 2016, there had been investigative activity before that date. John Brennan’s CIA might have directed activity in Britain, which could be a problem because of longstanding agreements that the U.S. will not conduct intelligence operations there. It would explain why the FBI continues to stonewall Congress as to the inquiry’s origin.
Spoiler: show
[quote]By Thomas J. Baker July 31, 2018 7:11 p.m. ET

Did the Central Intelligence Agency lead the Federal Bureau of Investigation down a rabbit hole in the counterintelligence investigation of Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign?

Although the FBI’s case officially began July 31, 2016, there had been investigative activity before that date. John Brennan’s CIA might have directed activity in Britain, which could be a problem because of longstanding agreements that the U.S. will not conduct intelligence operations there. It would explain why the FBI continues to stonewall Congress as to the inquiry’s origin.

Further, what we know about the case’s origin does not meet the threshold required by the attorney general guidelines for opening a counterintelligence case. That standard requires “predicate information,” or “articulable facts.”

From what has been made public, all that passes for predicate information in this matter originated in Britain. Stefan Halper, an American who ran the Centre of International Studies at Cambridge, had been a CIA source in the past. Recent press reports describe him as an FBI informant. Joseph Mifsud, another U.K.-based academic with ties to Western intelligence, met with Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulos on April 26, 2016. Mr. Mifsud reportedly mentioned “dirt” on Hillary Clinton. Then, on May 10, Mr. Papadopoulos met with Australian Ambassador Alexander Downer in London, to whom he relayed the claim about “dirt” on Mrs. Clinton.

Peter Strzok, the FBI’s deputy assistant director, went to London Aug. 2, 2016, two days after the case was opened, ostensibly to interview Mr. Downer about his conversation with Mr. Papadopoulos. But what about the earlier investigative activity? The FBI would not usually maintain an informant in England. It is far likelier that in the spring of 2016 Mr. Halper was providing information to British intelligence or directly to the CIA, where Mr. Brennan was already pushing the collusion narrative.

James Clapper, the former director of national intelligence, has acknowledged that “intelligence agencies” were looking into the collusion allegations in spring 2016. The Guardian, a British newspaper, reported that British intelligence had been suspicious about contacts between associates of Mr. Trump’s campaign and possible Russian agents. That prompted Robert Hannigan, then head of Britain’s Government Communications Headquarters, to pass information to Mr. Brennan. With only these suspicions, Mr. Brennan pressured the FBI into launching its counterintelligence probe.

The FBI lacked any real predicate. But in the post-9/11 world, a referral from the CIA would cause some in the FBI to believe they had to act—particularly as the agency’s information originated with America’s closest ally. Shortly after the case opened that summer, Mr. Brennan gave a briefing to then-Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, telling him that the CIA had referred the matter to the FBI—an obvious effort to pressure the bureau to get moving on the collusion case.

As the FBI’s investigation progressed, it would use a surveillance warrant against Carter Page, a former member of Mr. Trump’s campaign, who had been in contact with Mr. Halper. A dossier prepared for the Clinton campaign by Christopher Steele, formerly of Britain’s MI6, was used to obtain the warrant.

The existence of the investigation was withheld from the congressional “gang of eight” because of its “sensitivity,” former FBI Director James Comey later said. The FBI continues to withhold the full details of the origin story from Congress. Their rationale is the “protection of sources,” as the origin lies with our best international partner.

Although Mr. Brennan has exposed himself as a biased actor, the CIA has escaped criticism for using only thinly sourced information from British intelligence to snooker the FBI. Most damaging is the possibility that the CIA violated agreements with Britain by spying there rather than asking MI5 or MI6 to do so. And that may be what is really being withheld from Congress.

Mr. Baker is a retired FBI special agent and legal attaché.

Appeared in the August 1, 2018, print edition. [/quote]
https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-are-t ... 1533078662

well I never; not the spooks conspiring again.. :shock: :blush:

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:11 am
by Turbogoat
Page 1984, very Orwellian indeed. Maybe a quick quote of:
All those things you're seeing, all those things you're reading, they aren't real
alternative facts, no such thing as collusion extra double ungood doublespeak is in order.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:20 am
by Mr Mike
merry! wrote:welcome to page 1984
time to relive the hits, Let’s Hear for the Boy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboa ... es_of_1984

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:22 am
by Wilson's Toffee
They are going insane, the loony leftists. And The Don just carries on, undaunted. Like a battleship, unassailable ...

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:27 am
by merry!
Turbogoat wrote:Page 1984, very Orwellian indeed. Maybe a quick quote of:
All those things you're seeing, all those things you're reading, they aren't real
alternative facts, no such thing as collusion extra double ungood doublespeak is in order.
are you ok?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:53 am
by Turbogoat
merry! wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:Page 1984, very Orwellian indeed. Maybe a quick quote of:
All those things you're seeing, all those things you're reading, they aren't real
alternative facts, no such thing as collusion extra double ungood doublespeak is in order.
are you ok?
I'm fine. You?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:32 am
by Zico
Wilson's Toffee wrote:They are going insane, the loony leftists. And The Don just carries on, undaunted. Like a battleship, unassailable ...
The loony leftists are with the Treasonous Kleptocrat. He's doing a better job than they ever could of wrecking the global capitalist order.

Take a look around. A lot of supposedly right-wing movements aren't being seriously challenged by the loony left, makes you wonder why?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:59 am
by Wilson's Toffee
Zico wrote:
Wilson's Toffee wrote:They are going insane, the loony leftists. And The Don just carries on, undaunted. Like a battleship, unassailable ...
The loony leftists are with the Treasonous Kleptocrat. He's doing a better job than they ever could of wrecking the global capitalist order.

Take a look around. A lot of supposedly right-wing movements aren't being seriously challenged by the loony left, makes you wonder why?

?

I've read the "treason" stuff, but kleptocrat ?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:29 am
by Turbogoat
Zico wrote:
Wilson's Toffee wrote:They are going insane, the loony leftists. And The Don just carries on, undaunted. Like a battleship, unassailable ...
The loony leftists are with the Treasonous Kleptocrat. He's doing a better job than they ever could of wrecking the global capitalist order.

Take a look around. A lot of supposedly right-wing movements aren't being seriously challenged by the loony left, makes you wonder why?
Contemplating using an Executive order to bypass Congress and reduce taxes for the mega rich by about 100B is going to be pretty hard for them to spin to the Trumplestiltskins, but somehow they're going to swallow it, aren't they.

Willing to get into Trade war for that kind of money, willing to shut down the gubmint for not funding his White Elephant Wall for similar sums, but why not? Tax breaks for the 1%.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphill ... 180e8525e1

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:29 am
by Rinkals
Zico wrote:
Wilson's Toffee wrote:They are going insane, the loony leftists. And The Don just carries on, undaunted. Like a battleship, unassailable ...
The loony leftists are with the Treasonous Kleptocrat. He's doing a better job than they ever could of wrecking the global capitalist order.

Take a look around. A lot of supposedly right-wing movements aren't being seriously challenged by the loony left, makes you wonder why?
Please don't strain his brain.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:45 am
by merry!
Trumplestiltskins
:lol:

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:35 am
by 4071
Turbogoat wrote:
Zico wrote:
Wilson's Toffee wrote:They are going insane, the loony leftists. And The Don just carries on, undaunted. Like a battleship, unassailable ...
The loony leftists are with the Treasonous Kleptocrat. He's doing a better job than they ever could of wrecking the global capitalist order.

Take a look around. A lot of supposedly right-wing movements aren't being seriously challenged by the loony left, makes you wonder why?
Contemplating using an Executive order to bypass Congress and reduce taxes for the mega rich by about 100B is going to be pretty hard for them to spin to the Trumplestiltskins, but somehow they're going to swallow it, aren't they.

Willing to get into Trade war for that kind of money, willing to shut down the gubmint for not funding his White Elephant Wall for similar sums, but why not? Tax breaks for the 1%.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphill ... 180e8525e1

Maybe...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 72111.html
Trump supporters trust the president more than their family and friends, poll finds

Donald Trump’s supporters trust the president for accurate information more than their own friends and family, according to a new poll.

CBS News asked more than 2,000 Americans who they turn to for accurate information, regardless of whether they agree with the source's views. Ninety-one per cent of strong Trump supporters said they turned to the president. Only 63 per cent said they looked to their friends and family.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, only 11 per cent of those who strongly supported the president who popularised the term “fake news” said they trusted the mainstream media for information. Americans’ trust in media as a whole slipped to its lowest point in history in September 2016 – two months before Mr Trump’s election – and has remained low ever since, according to Gallup survey results.

Since taking office, Mr Trump has regularly assailed the media and encouraged his supporters to trust in him above all else. Discussing his controversial trade policy at a veteran’s conference this month, Mr Trump told supporters: “Just remember, what you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening."

But Mr Trump regularly makes inaccurate or misleading statements himself. Just two days before the CBS survey was published, the president tweeted that his poll numbers were the highest in the “history of the Republican party”, including President Abe Lincoln. The first national presidential poll was conducted in 1936 – three decades after Lincoln died.

According to a Washington Post tally updated at the end of May, Mr Trump had made more than 3,200 false or misleading claims in the past 497 days.
It's a cultist's fervour and an unshakable belief in their master. They follow a doctrine of Trumpal Infallibility. If Trump and reality are in disagreement, then reality is wrong.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:04 am
by Turbogoat
Cold logic and facts won't do anything to shake their fervour, far less any leftie crybaby liberal whining (or whatever the cool kids are calling it these days), they'll just see it as further evidence that their angelic Donald is being unfairly attacked.
Oh well, they can't vote more than once each.

Kinda interested in how Trump is going to spin the Billionaire payday now.
Can he just come out and say it's his peace offering to the Koch brothers? Probably not.
Can he call it some mass job creation scheme trickle down theory bollocks? Well he might, I guess.
Will he just not feel the need to bother giving his devotees an explanation for subverting the process to further enrich the richest of the rich? Probably.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:19 am
by shanky
Ot’s an interesting question.

Some insight might be gained from this article, which itself, is an interesting update on the effects and arguments of the recent other tax cuts

Hope you find it interesting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/25/busi ... ficit.html

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:59 am
by penguin
Seneca of the Night wrote:
4071 wrote:
It's a cultist's fervour and an unshakable belief in their master. They follow a doctrine of Trumpal Infallibility. If Trump and reality are in disagreement, then reality is wrong.
Every family has its share of frothing libtards.
...and a racist old uncle sat in the corner to call them frothing libtards.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:08 am
by Wilson's Toffee
The best meme/vid since this whole saga started ... :thumbup:





:lol:

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:22 am
by Turbogoat
shanky wrote:Ot’s an interesting question.

Some insight might be gained from this article, which itself, is an interesting update on the effects and arguments of the recent other tax cuts

Hope you find it interesting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/25/busi ... ficit.html
Good article and summary of events, cheers.
Given how angry and frothy Trump himself got whilst still a candidate about the national debt, it's quite enlightening to see how quickly he became sanguine about jacking up the national debt.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:25 am
by merry!
someone mentioned collusion..
FISA documents reveal FBI collusion

As various commentators predicted would be proven, the bulk of the information that formed the basis for the FISA warrant applications was the “dossier” of allegations about Donald Trump’s activities in Russia. This dossier was provided to the FBI by British spy Christopher Steele. Steele was hired during the 2016 presidential campaign by opposition research firm Fusion GPS, who was paid by Hillary Clinton’s law firm Perkins Coie, who was paid by the Clinton campaign and the DNC. The allegations were scandalous and completely unverified, in violation of federal statutes and FISA court rules.

In other words, the FBI used oppo research paid for by the Democrats as justification for government spying on a political opponent and other Americans.

But there’s more...

http://www.bostonherald.com/opinion/op_ ... lusion?amp
even boston, ma is disappointed in the democrats these days. :(

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:28 am
by penguin
Seneca of the Night wrote:
penguin wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
4071 wrote:
It's a cultist's fervour and an unshakable belief in their master. They follow a doctrine of Trumpal Infallibility. If Trump and reality are in disagreement, then reality is wrong.
Every family has its share of frothing libtards.
...and a racist old uncle sat in the corner to call them frothing libtards.
Two racist old uncles, an aunt, a spergy cousin, and going up.
You're really siding with the cream of the family ;)

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:30 am
by Turbogoat
merry! wrote:someone mentioned collusion..
FISA documents reveal FBI collusion

As various commentators predicted would be proven, the bulk of the information that formed the basis for the FISA warrant applications was the “dossier” of allegations about Donald Trump’s activities in Russia. This dossier was provided to the FBI by British spy Christopher Steele. Steele was hired during the 2016 presidential campaign by opposition research firm Fusion GPS, who was paid by Hillary Clinton’s law firm Perkins Coie, who was paid by the Clinton campaign and the DNC. The allegations were scandalous and completely unverified, in violation of federal statutes and FISA court rules.

In other words, the FBI used oppo research paid for by the Democrats as justification for government spying on a political opponent and other Americans.

But there’s more...

http://www.bostonherald.com/opinion/op_ ... lusion?amp
even boston, ma is disappointed in the democrats these days. :(
If you read the actual FISA application, the Steele dossier isn't nearly as prominent as Devin Nunes would have you believe. The supporting evidence and validation for inquiry was presented to multiple judges (all Republican appointees) before it could proceed, and these had to be renewed by the Judges every 90 days.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:39 am
by merry!
Turbogoat wrote:
merry! wrote:someone mentioned collusion..
FISA documents reveal FBI collusion

As various commentators predicted would be proven, the bulk of the information that formed the basis for the FISA warrant applications was the “dossier” of allegations about Donald Trump’s activities in Russia. This dossier was provided to the FBI by British spy Christopher Steele. Steele was hired during the 2016 presidential campaign by opposition research firm Fusion GPS, who was paid by Hillary Clinton’s law firm Perkins Coie, who was paid by the Clinton campaign and the DNC. The allegations were scandalous and completely unverified, in violation of federal statutes and FISA court rules.

In other words, the FBI used oppo research paid for by the Democrats as justification for government spying on a political opponent and other Americans.

But there’s more...

http://www.bostonherald.com/opinion/op_ ... lusion?amp
even boston, ma is disappointed in the democrats these days. :(
If you read the actual FISA application, the Steele dossier isn't nearly as prominent as Devin Nunes would have you believe. The supporting evidence and validation for inquiry was presented to multiple judges (all Republican appointees) before it could proceed, and these had to be renewed by the Judges every 90 days.
so no problem seeing the unredacted bits, since it's all above board. :thumbup:

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:43 am
by Kiwias
merry! wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
merry! wrote:someone mentioned collusion..
FISA documents reveal FBI collusion

As various commentators predicted would be proven, the bulk of the information that formed the basis for the FISA warrant applications was the “dossier” of allegations about Donald Trump’s activities in Russia. This dossier was provided to the FBI by British spy Christopher Steele. Steele was hired during the 2016 presidential campaign by opposition research firm Fusion GPS, who was paid by Hillary Clinton’s law firm Perkins Coie, who was paid by the Clinton campaign and the DNC. The allegations were scandalous and completely unverified, in violation of federal statutes and FISA court rules.

In other words, the FBI used oppo research paid for by the Democrats as justification for government spying on a political opponent and other Americans.

But there’s more...

http://www.bostonherald.com/opinion/op_ ... lusion?amp
even boston, ma is disappointed in the democrats these days. :(
If you read the actual FISA application, the Steele dossier isn't nearly as prominent as Devin Nunes would have you believe. The supporting evidence and validation for inquiry was presented to multiple judges (all Republican appointees) before it could proceed, and these had to be renewed by the Judges every 90 days.
so no problem seeing the unredacted bits, since it's all above board. :thumbup:
Trolling Rule 101: never be so totally obvious.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:45 am
by Turbogoat
merry! wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
merry! wrote:someone mentioned collusion..
FISA documents reveal FBI collusion

As various commentators predicted would be proven, the bulk of the information that formed the basis for the FISA warrant applications was the “dossier” of allegations about Donald Trump’s activities in Russia. This dossier was provided to the FBI by British spy Christopher Steele. Steele was hired during the 2016 presidential campaign by opposition research firm Fusion GPS, who was paid by Hillary Clinton’s law firm Perkins Coie, who was paid by the Clinton campaign and the DNC. The allegations were scandalous and completely unverified, in violation of federal statutes and FISA court rules.

In other words, the FBI used oppo research paid for by the Democrats as justification for government spying on a political opponent and other Americans.

But there’s more...

http://www.bostonherald.com/opinion/op_ ... lusion?amp
even boston, ma is disappointed in the democrats these days. :(
If you read the actual FISA application, the Steele dossier isn't nearly as prominent as Devin Nunes would have you believe. The supporting evidence and validation for inquiry was presented to multiple judges (all Republican appointees) before it could proceed, and these had to be renewed by the Judges every 90 days.
so no problem seeing the unredacted bits, since it's all above board. :thumbup:
Yup. :thumbup:

You can blame the Judges nominated by Republicans for any of that, they saw all the stuff that was redacted. They aren't part of the FBI, and they're not shy about grilling anyone daring to ask for such a warrant. To get a warrant is bad enough, but to ask for continued use of one is more stringent, as they not only have to show the original need, but also what has been gleaned, and the need for yet more surveillance. It's not something that the Judges take lightly.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:45 am
by merry!
kiwas: :yawn:


glad we can agree, turbo. :thumbup:

#unredacted

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:46 am
by Turbogoat
Kiwias wrote:
merry! wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
merry! wrote:someone mentioned collusion..
FISA documents reveal FBI collusion

As various commentators predicted would be proven, the bulk of the information that formed the basis for the FISA warrant applications was the “dossier” of allegations about Donald Trump’s activities in Russia. This dossier was provided to the FBI by British spy Christopher Steele. Steele was hired during the 2016 presidential campaign by opposition research firm Fusion GPS, who was paid by Hillary Clinton’s law firm Perkins Coie, who was paid by the Clinton campaign and the DNC. The allegations were scandalous and completely unverified, in violation of federal statutes and FISA court rules.

In other words, the FBI used oppo research paid for by the Democrats as justification for government spying on a political opponent and other Americans.

But there’s more...

http://www.bostonherald.com/opinion/op_ ... lusion?amp
even boston, ma is disappointed in the democrats these days. :(
If you read the actual FISA application, the Steele dossier isn't nearly as prominent as Devin Nunes would have you believe. The supporting evidence and validation for inquiry was presented to multiple judges (all Republican appointees) before it could proceed, and these had to be renewed by the Judges every 90 days.
so no problem seeing the unredacted bits, since it's all above board. :thumbup:
Trolling Rule 101: never be so totally obvious.
And after I took the time to give a nice answer :blush:

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:58 am
by Rinkals
Turbogoat wrote:
merry! wrote:someone mentioned collusion..
FISA documents reveal FBI collusion

As various commentators predicted would be proven, the bulk of the information that formed the basis for the FISA warrant applications was the “dossier” of allegations about Donald Trump’s activities in Russia. This dossier was provided to the FBI by British spy Christopher Steele. Steele was hired during the 2016 presidential campaign by opposition research firm Fusion GPS, who was paid by Hillary Clinton’s law firm Perkins Coie, who was paid by the Clinton campaign and the DNC. The allegations were scandalous and completely unverified, in violation of federal statutes and FISA court rules.

In other words, the FBI used oppo research paid for by the Democrats as justification for government spying on a political opponent and other Americans.

But there’s more...

http://www.bostonherald.com/opinion/op_ ... lusion?amp
even boston, ma is disappointed in the democrats these days. :(
If you read the actual FISA application, the Steele dossier isn't nearly as prominent as Devin Nunes would have you believe. The supporting evidence and validation for inquiry was presented to multiple judges (all Republican appointees) before it could proceed, and these had to be renewed by the Judges every 90 days.
I think Merry is on a mission to prove that, whatever OB and WT teach us about the low water mark of intelligence of Fijians and South Africans respectively, the English can go one better.

As regards Trump's devoted following, I suspect this is a result of his reality TV show and that his devotees feel that they know the man more intimately than they actually do because of this.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:58 am
by merry!
Turbogoat wrote:And after I took the time to give a nice answer :blush:
it was appreciated, turbo (see above).

and yes, we agree, we should get to see the whole thing. potus may well declassify it..


:lol: @rinkals

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:04 pm
by obelixtim
merry! wrote:
Trumplestiltskins
:lol:
They follow Rumpledforeskin….

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:05 pm
by Kiwias
merry! wrote:kiwas: :yawn:


glad we can agree, turbo. :thumbup:

#unredacted
Your idiotic regurgitation of the Fox take on the FISA warrant justifies no more than my response.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:05 pm
by shanky
Trey Gowdy (no friend of the Dems) has seen the unredacted FISA documents and declared the investigation to be valid. As have other Republicans on the Committee

You don’t have to take anyone else’s word for it.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:08 pm
by Kiwias
shanky wrote:Trey Gowdy (no friend of the Dems) has seen the unredacted FISA documents and declared the investigation to be valid. As have other Republicans on the Committee

You don’t have to take anyone else’s word for it.
I suspect merry! has a bit more hair but otherwise

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Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:13 pm
by Ted.
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but there is talk that Mueller is unlikely to indict Trump even if he does find anything indictable as he does not believe that a sitting predetermine can be indicted.

So, if that is correct, it will come down to who wins the PR war. As per 4071's post above, it will come down to belief which is largely down to Trump's and his legal team's PR with the oft repeated witch-hunt, no collusion, it's da dirty Dems, etc, etc, is quite likely the carry the day.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:17 pm
by merry!
Kiwias wrote:
shanky wrote:Trey Gowdy (no friend of the Dems) has seen the unredacted FISA documents and declared the investigation to be valid. As have other Republicans on the Committee

You don’t have to take anyone else’s word for it.
I suspect merry! has a bit more hair but otherwise

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you're pathetic.