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merry! wrote:it was appreciated, turbo (see above).Turbogoat wrote:And after I took the time to give a nice answer
and yes, we agree, we should get to see the whole thing. potus may well declassify it..
@rinkals
so what's your problem? jessie given you the elbow?guy smiley wrote:So just for perspective, both Kiwias and Merry are older than I am.
Table of sunken battleship locationsWilson's Toffee wrote:They are going insane, the loony leftists. And The Don just carries on, undaunted. Like a battleship, unassailable ...
Table of sunken battleship locationsWilson's Toffee wrote:They are going insane, the loony leftists. And The Don just carries on, undaunted. Like a battleship, unassailable ...
he's had enough of the swamp and returning to law.shanky wrote:Trey Gowdy (no friend of the Dems) has seen the unredacted FISA documents and declared the investigation to be valid. As have other Republicans on the Committee
You don’t have to take anyone else’s word for it.
Let’s hope he has more success in private practice than he did prosecuting in public.merry! wrote:he's had enough of the swamp and returning to law.shanky wrote:Trey Gowdy (no friend of the Dems) has seen the unredacted FISA documents and declared the investigation to be valid. As have other Republicans on the Committee
You don’t have to take anyone else’s word for it.
a prosecutor, apparently..
shanky wrote:Let’s hope he has more success in private practice than he did prosecuting in public.merry! wrote:he's had enough of the swamp and returning to law.shanky wrote:Trey Gowdy (no friend of the Dems) has seen the unredacted FISA documents and declared the investigation to be valid. As have other Republicans on the Committee
You don’t have to take anyone else’s word for it.
a prosecutor, apparently..
No, Nunes is pathetic.merry! wrote:Kiwias wrote:I suspect merry! has a bit more hair but otherwiseshanky wrote:Trey Gowdy (no friend of the Dems) has seen the unredacted FISA documents and declared the investigation to be valid. As have other Republicans on the Committee
You don’t have to take anyone else’s word for it.
you're pathetic.
Wilson's Toffee wrote:shanky wrote:Let’s hope he has more success in private practice than he did prosecuting in public.merry! wrote:he's had enough of the swamp and returning to law.shanky wrote:Trey Gowdy (no friend of the Dems) has seen the unredacted FISA documents and declared the investigation to be valid. As have other Republicans on the Committee
You don’t have to take anyone else’s word for it.
a prosecutor, apparently..
He was a successful prosecutor before he entered politics, no ?
He used to be on tv as a prosecutor apparently..... could be setting himself up for a run at the White House one daymerry! wrote:he's had enough of the swamp and returning to law.shanky wrote:Trey Gowdy (no friend of the Dems) has seen the unredacted FISA documents and declared the investigation to be valid. As have other Republicans on the Committee
You don’t have to take anyone else’s word for it.
a prosecutor, apparently..
You're conversing with someone who doesn't realise that The Onion deals in parody.shanky wrote:Wilson's Toffee wrote:shanky wrote:Let’s hope he has more success in private practice than he did prosecuting in public.merry! wrote:he's had enough of the swamp and returning to law.shanky wrote:Trey Gowdy (no friend of the Dems) has seen the unredacted FISA documents and declared the investigation to be valid. As have other Republicans on the Committee
You don’t have to take anyone else’s word for it.
a prosecutor, apparently..
He was a successful prosecutor before he entered politics, no ?
It was a joke bro.
4071 wrote:Turbogoat wrote:Contemplating using an Executive order to bypass Congress and reduce taxes for the mega rich by about 100B is going to be pretty hard for them to spin to the Trumplestiltskins, but somehow they're going to swallow it, aren't they.Zico wrote:The loony leftists are with the Treasonous Kleptocrat. He's doing a better job than they ever could of wrecking the global capitalist order.Wilson's Toffee wrote:They are going insane, the loony leftists. And The Don just carries on, undaunted. Like a battleship, unassailable ...
Take a look around. A lot of supposedly right-wing movements aren't being seriously challenged by the loony left, makes you wonder why?
Willing to get into Trade war for that kind of money, willing to shut down the gubmint for not funding his White Elephant Wall for similar sums, but why not? Tax breaks for the 1%.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphill ... 180e8525e1
Maybe...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 72111.html
It's a cultist's fervour and an unshakable belief in their master. They follow a doctrine of Trumpal Infallibility. If Trump and reality are in disagreement, then reality is wrong.Trump supporters trust the president more than their family and friends, poll finds
Donald Trump’s supporters trust the president for accurate information more than their own friends and family, according to a new poll.
CBS News asked more than 2,000 Americans who they turn to for accurate information, regardless of whether they agree with the source's views. Ninety-one per cent of strong Trump supporters said they turned to the president. Only 63 per cent said they looked to their friends and family.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, only 11 per cent of those who strongly supported the president who popularised the term “fake news” said they trusted the mainstream media for information. Americans’ trust in media as a whole slipped to its lowest point in history in September 2016 – two months before Mr Trump’s election – and has remained low ever since, according to Gallup survey results.
Since taking office, Mr Trump has regularly assailed the media and encouraged his supporters to trust in him above all else. Discussing his controversial trade policy at a veteran’s conference this month, Mr Trump told supporters: “Just remember, what you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening."
But Mr Trump regularly makes inaccurate or misleading statements himself. Just two days before the CBS survey was published, the president tweeted that his poll numbers were the highest in the “history of the Republican party”, including President Abe Lincoln. The first national presidential poll was conducted in 1936 – three decades after Lincoln died.
According to a Washington Post tally updated at the end of May, Mr Trump had made more than 3,200 false or misleading claims in the past 497 days.
Indictment is very unlikely I'd agree unless there is something more that is outright criminal in Trump's business activities. But an open and shut case of lying about collusion like that phone call in the Trump tower proven to be a discussion about Russia and evidence of associated obstruction of justice charges could see an impeachment even if the Dems don't get control of Congress.Ted. wrote:Not sure if this has been mentioned, but there is talk that Mueller is unlikely to indict Trump even if he does find anything indictable as he does not believe that a sitting predetermine can be indicted.
So, if that is correct, it will come down to who wins the PR war. As per 4071's post above, it will come down to belief which is largely down to Trump's and his legal team's PR with the oft repeated witch-hunt, no collusion, it's da dirty Dems, etc, etc, is quite likely the carry the day.
What?!! Are you telling me the ninja parade isn't real?!!!???Rinkals wrote: You're conversing with someone who doesn't realise that The Onion deals in parody.
it'll all kick off again when Huber's investigation hits the news.Seneca of the Night wrote:I'm not sure where Mueller thinks he's going with this. He is an intelligent and measured man. He must realise that the thing has gone politically right off the rails. A third of the electorate is so far in the tank for Trump that he's untouchable without serious consequences. Someone has got to find a way to call this to a delicate close with as little harm done as possible.Flockwitt wrote:Indictment is very unlikely I'd agree unless there is something more that is outright criminal in Trump's business activities. But an open and shut case of lying about collusion like that phone call in the Trump tower proven to be a discussion about Russia and evidence of associated obstruction of justice charges could see an impeachment even if the Dems don't get control of Congress.Ted. wrote:Not sure if this has been mentioned, but there is talk that Mueller is unlikely to indict Trump even if he does find anything indictable as he does not believe that a sitting predetermine can be indicted.
So, if that is correct, it will come down to who wins the PR war. As per 4071's post above, it will come down to belief which is largely down to Trump's and his legal team's PR with the oft repeated witch-hunt, no collusion, it's da dirty Dems, etc, etc, is quite likely the carry the day.
But given the nature of the wedge politics being played it's likely to leave a very embittered and divided public. Much better if Trump gets his at the ballot box.
Maybe throw Manafort in prison for 500 years, close up shop, retire to the pub. All sides could probably live with that.
And you might find yourselfSeneca of the Night wrote:Water flowing underground, same as it ever was. On the road to nowhere, burning down the house.Uthikoloshe wrote:Any day now, the same as it always was.
Any day now.
US politics has been described as a pendulumRinkals wrote:I don't think anyone expects Trump to be gone anytime soon.
I think he is a deeply divisive force who is doing a lot of damage that won't be easily repaired, so it would be beneficial if they could get rid of him sooner rather than later, but I suspect that his support base will sustain him at least until the next Presidential election.
I'm fully expecting Oprah's election come 2020.shanky wrote:US politics has been described as a pendulumRinkals wrote:I don't think anyone expects Trump to be gone anytime soon.
I think he is a deeply divisive force who is doing a lot of damage that won't be easily repaired, so it would be beneficial if they could get rid of him sooner rather than later, but I suspect that his support base will sustain him at least until the next Presidential election.
Trump got elected because of what went before him
The next guy/gal will be appointing black lesbian whales to the cabinet
And we won’t think that’s strange
Seneca of the Night wrote:Not only that Ocean B, it turns out collusion isn't even a crime:Oceanbreeze wrote:That's funny. We have never seen any conclusive evidence to prove Trump colluded with the Kremlin in relation to his campaign. Those Senate hearings was just truly remarkable in its failure. The line of questioning and desperation to find something was truly revealing.obelixtim wrote:He's getting desperate, I think he knows the walls are closing in on him and the end is coming. These tweets show he has no idea how to get out of the hole he's dug for himself. The struggles of a drowning man clutching at straws. Its demented behaviour.Hong Kong wrote:Donald J. Trump
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3h Is Robert Mueller ever going to release his conflicts of interest with respect to President Trump, including the fact that we had a very nasty & contentious business relationship, I turned him down to head the FBI (one day before appointment as S.C.) & Comey is his close friend..
And now all we have is, to quote WT "frothing and bitching" and clutching at straws from the demented Killary libtards.
The Trump train is headed towards second term ville without even breaking a sweat!
So these clowns have been investigating the President for something he didn't do, which isn't even a crime, even if he did it, which he didn't.President Donald Trump's attorney, Rudolph Giuliani, asserted Monday that "collusion is not a crime," and declared that the president is "absolutely innocent."
"I have been sitting here looking in the federal code trying to find collusion as a crime," Giuliani said in an interview on Fox News Channel's "Fox & Friends." "Collusion is not a crime."
What a fcking shambles. Call it off.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/30/trump-l ... crime.html
That's brilliant. First they haven't got one iota of evidence and second the crime they've alleged Trump to have committed is not even a crime. What a monumental failure!
See that's just it. Trump doesn't really do spin. He just lies outright. And he does it loudly and brazenly enough that everyone runs around screaming about the lie. Especially the MSM and it really helps him with is supporters because they know it's fake news. Unless and until more of his supporters are truly fcuked by his policies he'll always have support. Fortunately, we're seeing more stories of that exact thing happening.Turbogoat wrote:Cold logic and facts won't do anything to shake their fervour, far less any leftie crybaby liberal whining (or whatever the cool kids are calling it these days), they'll just see it as further evidence that their angelic Donald is being unfairly attacked.
Oh well, they can't vote more than once each.
Kinda interested in how Trump is going to spin the Billionaire payday now.
Can he just come out and say it's his peace offering to the Koch brothers? Probably not.
Can he call it some mass job creation scheme trickle down theory bollocks? Well he might, I guess.
Will he just not feel the need to bother giving his devotees an explanation for subverting the process to further enrich the richest of the rich? Probably.
Mueller simply can not, must not, take the political rhetoric and climate into account. He is there to investigate and report the investigations findings, no more, no less.Seneca of the Night wrote:I'm not sure where Mueller thinks he's going with this. He is an intelligent and measured man. He must realise that the thing has gone politically right off the rails. A third of the electorate is so far in the tank for Trump that he's untouchable without serious consequences. Someone has got to find a way to call this to a delicate close with as little harm done as possible.Flockwitt wrote:Indictment is very unlikely I'd agree unless there is something more that is outright criminal in Trump's business activities. But an open and shut case of lying about collusion like that phone call in the Trump tower proven to be a discussion about Russia and evidence of associated obstruction of justice charges could see an impeachment even if the Dems don't get control of Congress.Ted. wrote:Not sure if this has been mentioned, but there is talk that Mueller is unlikely to indict Trump even if he does find anything indictable as he does not believe that a sitting predetermine can be indicted.
So, if that is correct, it will come down to who wins the PR war. As per 4071's post above, it will come down to belief which is largely down to Trump's and his legal team's PR with the oft repeated witch-hunt, no collusion, it's da dirty Dems, etc, etc, is quite likely the carry the day.
But given the nature of the wedge politics being played it's likely to leave a very embittered and divided public. Much better if Trump gets his at the ballot box.
Maybe throw Manafort in prison for 500 years, close up shop, retire to the pub. All sides could probably live with that.
He is a bit like Sen now, just phoning it in.
That shit is still going?guy smiley wrote:I just read about that.shanky wrote:QAnon, brother
There is water at the bottom of the ocean. Under the water, carry the water.
The faithful are strongflaggETERNAL wrote:That shit is still going?guy smiley wrote:I just read about that.shanky wrote:QAnon, brother
There is water at the bottom of the ocean. Under the water, carry the water.
Has the Orange Buffoon forgotten that Sessions recused himself from the Russia investigation and presumably can not intervene to stop it?Hong Kong wrote:https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/01/trump-u ... t-now.html
We have fallen through the looking glass that is looking through the looking glass
This was political from the get go! Infact It's the only reason why it's still going. If it was based on investigations finding alone it would have been binned a long time ago.Ted. wrote:Mueller simply can not, must not, take the political rhetoric and climate into account. He is there to investigate and report the investigations findings, no more, no less.Seneca of the Night wrote:I'm not sure where Mueller thinks he's going with this. He is an intelligent and measured man. He must realise that the thing has gone politically right off the rails. A third of the electorate is so far in the tank for Trump that he's untouchable without serious consequences. Someone has got to find a way to call this to a delicate close with as little harm done as possible.Flockwitt wrote:Indictment is very unlikely I'd agree unless there is something more that is outright criminal in Trump's business activities. But an open and shut case of lying about collusion like that phone call in the Trump tower proven to be a discussion about Russia and evidence of associated obstruction of justice charges could see an impeachment even if the Dems don't get control of Congress.Ted. wrote:Not sure if this has been mentioned, but there is talk that Mueller is unlikely to indict Trump even if he does find anything indictable as he does not believe that a sitting predetermine can be indicted.
So, if that is correct, it will come down to who wins the PR war. As per 4071's post above, it will come down to belief which is largely down to Trump's and his legal team's PR with the oft repeated witch-hunt, no collusion, it's da dirty Dems, etc, etc, is quite likely the carry the day.
But given the nature of the wedge politics being played it's likely to leave a very embittered and divided public. Much better if Trump gets his at the ballot box.
Maybe throw Manafort in prison for 500 years, close up shop, retire to the pub. All sides could probably live with that.
As does Mueller.
I feel a song coming onTurbogoat wrote:As does Mueller.
I was thinking he's a bit like the Terminator, unstoppable. He could have a GnR soundtrack - Use your Collusion.Kiwias wrote:I feel a song coming onTurbogoat wrote:As does Mueller.
Old Man Mueller
To quote Isaiah Berlin*, FarQ and the whores you rode in on.Kiwias wrote:The faithful are strongflaggETERNAL wrote:That shit is still going?guy smiley wrote:I just read about that.shanky wrote:QAnon, brother
There is water at the bottom of the ocean. Under the water, carry the water.
