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Oceanbreeze wrote:

Ted. wrote:

Seneca of the Night wrote:

Flockwitt wrote:

Ted. wrote:Not sure if this has been mentioned, but there is talk that Mueller is unlikely to indict Trump even if he does find anything indictable as he does not believe that a sitting predetermine can be indicted.

So, if that is correct, it will come down to who wins the PR war. As per 4071's post above, it will come down to belief which is largely down to Trump's and his legal team's PR with the oft repeated witch-hunt, no collusion, it's da dirty Dems, etc, etc, is quite likely the carry the day.

Indictment is very unlikely I'd agree unless there is something more that is outright criminal in Trump's business activities. But an open and shut case of lying about collusion like that phone call in the Trump tower proven to be a discussion about Russia and evidence of associated obstruction of justice charges could see an impeachment even if the Dems don't get control of Congress.

But given the nature of the wedge politics being played it's likely to leave a very embittered and divided public. Much better if Trump gets his at the ballot box.

I'm not sure where Mueller thinks he's going with this. He is an intelligent and measured man. He must realise that the thing has gone politically right off the rails. A third of the electorate is so far in the tank for Trump that he's untouchable without serious consequences. Someone has got to find a way to call this to a delicate close with as little harm done as possible.

Maybe throw Manafort in prison for 500 years, close up shop, retire to the pub. All sides could probably live with that.

Mueller simply can not, must not, take the political rhetoric and climate into account. He is there to investigate and report the investigations findings, no more, no less.

This was political from the get go! Infact It's the only reason why it's still going. If it was based on investigations finding alone it would have been binned a long time ago.

They haven't found any conclusive evidence whatsoever now for nearly 2 years. And worse now it's being reported that there's actually no crime in the first place. They've literally been digging for dirts everywhere and anywhere and every time they have come up short.

In the meantime Trump has continued to fulfil his campaign promises or attempt to in the face of overwhelming resistance.

These libtards haven't learnt anything. Trump says that there's alot of fake news rhetoric from the MSM and Dems. And when they continue to push the Russian narrative without any concrete evidence they're basically proving Trump right.

The Trump train is headed towards second term ville without even breaking a sweat!

Ted. wrote:

Seneca of the Night wrote:

Flockwitt wrote:

Ted. wrote:Not sure if this has been mentioned, but there is talk that Mueller is unlikely to indict Trump even if he does find anything indictable as he does not believe that a sitting predetermine can be indicted.

So, if that is correct, it will come down to who wins the PR war. As per 4071's post above, it will come down to belief which is largely down to Trump's and his legal team's PR with the oft repeated witch-hunt, no collusion, it's da dirty Dems, etc, etc, is quite likely the carry the day.

Indictment is very unlikely I'd agree unless there is something more that is outright criminal in Trump's business activities. But an open and shut case of lying about collusion like that phone call in the Trump tower proven to be a discussion about Russia and evidence of associated obstruction of justice charges could see an impeachment even if the Dems don't get control of Congress.

But given the nature of the wedge politics being played it's likely to leave a very embittered and divided public. Much better if Trump gets his at the ballot box.

I'm not sure where Mueller thinks he's going with this. He is an intelligent and measured man. He must realise that the thing has gone politically right off the rails. A third of the electorate is so far in the tank for Trump that he's untouchable without serious consequences. Someone has got to find a way to call this to a delicate close with as little harm done as possible.

Maybe throw Manafort in prison for 500 years, close up shop, retire to the pub. All sides could probably live with that.

Mueller simply can not, must not, take the political rhetoric and climate into account. He is there to investigate and report the investigations findings, no more, no less.

Dubh01 wrote:
It's great that we here on the bored have a man on the inside with Mueller. It's obvious from this post that OB is being given insider information none of us have seen or heard of...

Flockwitt wrote:

Ted. wrote:

Seneca of the Night wrote:

Flockwitt wrote:

Ted. wrote:Not sure if this has been mentioned, but there is talk that Mueller is unlikely to indict Trump even if he does find anything indictable as he does not believe that a sitting predetermine can be indicted.

So, if that is correct, it will come down to who wins the PR war. As per 4071's post above, it will come down to belief which is largely down to Trump's and his legal team's PR with the oft repeated witch-hunt, no collusion, it's da dirty Dems, etc, etc, is quite likely the carry the day.

Indictment is very unlikely I'd agree unless there is something more that is outright criminal in Trump's business activities. But an open and shut case of lying about collusion like that phone call in the Trump tower proven to be a discussion about Russia and evidence of associated obstruction of justice charges could see an impeachment even if the Dems don't get control of Congress.

But given the nature of the wedge politics being played it's likely to leave a very embittered and divided public. Much better if Trump gets his at the ballot box.

I'm not sure where Mueller thinks he's going with this. He is an intelligent and measured man. He must realise that the thing has gone politically right off the rails. A third of the electorate is so far in the tank for Trump that he's untouchable without serious consequences. Someone has got to find a way to call this to a delicate close with as little harm done as possible.

Maybe throw Manafort in prison for 500 years, close up shop, retire to the pub. All sides could probably live with that.

Mueller simply can not, must not, take the political rhetoric and climate into account. He is there to investigate and report the investigations findings, no more, no less.

Seneca's point is exactly the scenario and attitude that Trump and his cronies have attempted to create. It is as fictional as the commander in chief's tweets. How much of the reality comes home to roost we'll just have to wait and see.

The reference for the investigation is to examine Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections, including exploring any links or coordination between Trump's 2016 presidential campaign and the Russian government, "and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation", and any other matters within the scope of 28 CFR 600.4 – Jurisdiction

Oceanbreeze wrote:

Flockwitt wrote:

Ted. wrote:

Seneca of the Night wrote:
I'm not sure where Mueller thinks he's going with this. He is an intelligent and measured man. He must realise that the thing has gone politically right off the rails. A third of the electorate is so far in the tank for Trump that he's untouchable without serious consequences. Someone has got to find a way to call this to a delicate close with as little harm done as possible.

Maybe throw Manafort in prison for 500 years, close up shop, retire to the pub. All sides could probably live with that.

Mueller simply can not, must not, take the political rhetoric and climate into account. He is there to investigate and report the investigations findings, no more, no less.

Seneca's point is exactly the scenario and attitude that Trump and his cronies have attempted to create. It is as fictional as the commander in chief's tweets. How much of the reality comes home to roost we'll just have to wait and see.

Unfortunately the only one attempting to create a fictional scenario are the anti Trump idiots with their Russian collusion narrative based on no concrete evidence but insinuation and slander!

And the reality of that has already come home to roost. One only has to watch the Senate hearings to realise the clutching at straws and desperation are sign of a fictional scenario constantly being replayed and each time hoping for a different outcome!

Oceanbreeze wrote: Unfortunately the only one attempting to create a fictional scenario are the anti Trump idiots with their Russian collusion narrative based on no concrete evidence but insinuation and slander!

And the reality of that has already come home to roost. One only has to watch the Senate hearings to realise the clutching at straws and desperation are sign of a fictional scenario constantly being replayed and each time hoping for a different outcome!

Saint wrote:For the benefit of those on here who seem to not understand the Mueller investigation

The reference for the investigation is to examine Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections, including exploring any links or coordination between Trump's 2016 presidential campaign and the Russian government, "and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation", and any other matters within the scope of 28 CFR 600.4 – Jurisdiction

So far he's uncovered plenty of evidence suggesting that Russia attempted to interfere, some evidence that might indicate attempts to co-ordinate with the Trump campaign, and plenty of evidence in the "any matters that arose" category.

Wilson's Toffee wrote:Former GOP politician under GWB, EPA administrator, current Hillary supporter, calling on The Don to step down.

Sore that he did not grab her by the pussy ? Silly bitch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KcvtpRVwdg

4071 wrote:

Wilson's Toffee wrote:Former GOP politician under GWB, EPA administrator, current Hillary supporter, calling on The Don to step down.

Sore that he did not grab her by the pussy ? Silly bitch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KcvtpRVwdg

You have issues with women.

What was your relationship with your mother like?

Saint wrote:For the benefit of those on here who seem to not understand the Mueller investigation

The reference for the investigation is to examine Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections, including exploring any links or coordination between Trump's 2016 presidential campaign and the Russian government, "and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation", and any other matters within the scope of 28 CFR 600.4 – Jurisdiction

So far he's uncovered plenty of evidence suggesting that Russia attempted to interfere, some evidence that might indicate attempts to co-ordinate with the Trump campaign, and plenty of evidence in the "any matters that arose" category.

4071 wrote:

Wilson's Toffee wrote:Former GOP politician under GWB, EPA administrator, current Hillary supporter, calling on The Don to step down.

Sore that he did not grab her by the pussy ? Silly bitch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KcvtpRVwdg

You have issues with women.

What was your relationship with your mother like?

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guy smiley wrote:Look at the right wing loonies frothing.

Wilson's Toffee wrote:

Saint wrote:For the benefit of those on here who seem to not understand the Mueller investigation

The reference for the investigation is to examine Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections, including exploring any links or coordination between Trump's 2016 presidential campaign and the Russian government, "and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation", and any other matters within the scope of 28 CFR 600.4 – Jurisdiction

So far he's uncovered plenty of evidence suggesting that Russia attempted to interfere, some evidence that might indicate attempts to co-ordinate with the Trump campaign, and plenty of evidence in the "any matters that arose" category.

Terms of reference for a witch hunt.

guy smiley wrote:Look at the right wing loonies frothing.

Saint wrote:

Wilson's Toffee wrote:

Saint wrote:For the benefit of those on here who seem to not understand the Mueller investigation

The reference for the investigation is to examine Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections, including exploring any links or coordination between Trump's 2016 presidential campaign and the Russian government, "and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation", and any other matters within the scope of 28 CFR 600.4 – Jurisdiction

So far he's uncovered plenty of evidence suggesting that Russia attempted to interfere, some evidence that might indicate attempts to co-ordinate with the Trump campaign, and plenty of evidence in the "any matters that arose" category.

Terms of reference for a witch hunt.

terms of reference drawn up by a Trump nominated Deputy Attorney General.

4071 wrote:

Oceanbreeze wrote:

Flockwitt wrote:

Ted. wrote:

Seneca of the Night wrote:
I'm not sure where Mueller thinks he's going with this. He is an intelligent and measured man. He must realise that the thing has gone politically right off the rails. A third of the electorate is so far in the tank for Trump that he's untouchable without serious consequences. Someone has got to find a way to call this to a delicate close with as little harm done as possible.

Maybe throw Manafort in prison for 500 years, close up shop, retire to the pub. All sides could probably live with that.

Mueller simply can not, must not, take the political rhetoric and climate into account. He is there to investigate and report the investigations findings, no more, no less.

Seneca's point is exactly the scenario and attitude that Trump and his cronies have attempted to create. It is as fictional as the commander in chief's tweets. How much of the reality comes home to roost we'll just have to wait and see.

Unfortunately the only one attempting to create a fictional scenario are the anti Trump idiots with their Russian collusion narrative based on no concrete evidence but insinuation and slander!

And the reality of that has already come home to roost. One only has to watch the Senate hearings to realise the clutching at straws and desperation are sign of a fictional scenario constantly being replayed and each time hoping for a different outcome!

Meanwhile, in the real world, four Americans have been charged and the trial of one of the man just started. Two more pleaded guilty to other offences. And 13 Russian nationals and 12 Russian intelligence officers have been indicted.

Collusion or no collusion, the investigation is uncovering a fair number of crimes and evidence of attacks on America. Surely that's a good thing?

Big Nipper wrote:

guy smiley wrote:Look at the right wing loonies frothing.

I seem to have triggered the old racist so much that he has me on ignore.

Score 1-0 to the good guys?

Oceanbreeze wrote:

4071 wrote:

Oceanbreeze wrote:

Flockwitt wrote:

Ted. wrote:
Mueller simply can not, must not, take the political rhetoric and climate into account. He is there to investigate and report the investigations findings, no more, no less.

Seneca's point is exactly the scenario and attitude that Trump and his cronies have attempted to create. It is as fictional as the commander in chief's tweets. How much of the reality comes home to roost we'll just have to wait and see.

Unfortunately the only one attempting to create a fictional scenario are the anti Trump idiots with their Russian collusion narrative based on no concrete evidence but insinuation and slander!

And the reality of that has already come home to roost. One only has to watch the Senate hearings to realise the clutching at straws and desperation are sign of a fictional scenario constantly being replayed and each time hoping for a different outcome!

Meanwhile, in the real world, four Americans have been charged and the trial of one of the man just started. Two more pleaded guilty to other offences. And 13 Russian nationals and 12 Russian intelligence officers have been indicted.

Collusion or no collusion, the investigation is uncovering a fair number of crimes and evidence of attacks on America. Surely that's a good thing?

Foreign agents guilty of attacks on America is not newsflash. That is literally in their job description just like the American agents who do similar things across the globe on foreign countries.

The only things that matters is that there's no evidence to prove that Trump colluded with the Kremlin. After all that was the allegation based on the dossier.

The reference for the investigation is to examine Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections, including exploring any links or coordination between Trump's 2016 presidential campaign and the Russian government, "and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation", and any other matters within the scope of 28 CFR 600.4 – Jurisdiction

Oceanbreeze wrote: Foreign agents guilty of attacks on America is not newsflash. That is literally in their job description just like the American agents who do similar things across the globe on foreign countries.

The only things that matters is that there's no evidence to prove that Trump colluded with the Kremlin. After all that was the allegation based on the dossier.

Turbogoat wrote:

Oceanbreeze wrote: Foreign agents guilty of attacks on America is not newsflash. That is literally in their job description just like the American agents who do similar things across the globe on foreign countries.

The only things that matters is that there's no evidence to prove that Trump colluded with the Kremlin. After all that was the allegation based on the dossier.

Insert "You are literally too stupid to insult" gif here.

guy smiley wrote:

Hong Kong wrote:

Turbogoat wrote:

Oceanbreeze wrote: Foreign agents guilty of attacks on America is not newsflash. That is literally in their job description just like the American agents who do similar things across the globe on foreign countries.

The only things that matters is that there's no evidence to prove that Trump colluded with the Kremlin. After all that was the allegation based on the dossier.

Insert "You are literally too stupid to insult" gif here.

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Kiwias wrote:

guy smiley wrote:

Hong Kong wrote:

Turbogoat wrote:

Oceanbreeze wrote: Foreign agents guilty of attacks on America is not newsflash. That is literally in their job description just like the American agents who do similar things across the globe on foreign countries.

The only things that matters is that there's no evidence to prove that Trump colluded with the Kremlin. After all that was the allegation based on the dossier.

Insert "You are literally too stupid to insult" gif here.

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Kiwias wrote:

guy smiley wrote:

Hong Kong wrote:

Turbogoat wrote:

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Foreign agents guilty of attacks on America is not newsflash. That is literally in their job description just like the American agents who do similar things across the globe on foreign countries. 

The only  things that matters is that there's no evidence to prove that Trump colluded with the Kremlin. After all that was the allegation based on the dossier.[/quote]

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Aural breeze wrote: Unfortunately the only one attempting to create a fictional scenario are the anti Trump idiots with their Russian collusion narrative based on no concrete evidence but insinuation and slander!

And the reality of that has already come home to roost. One only has to watch the Senate hearings to realise the clutching at straws and desperation are sign of a fictional scenario constantly being replayed and each time hoping for a different outcome!

Seneca of the Night wrote:-7

piquant wrote:I'm still not convinced it's a good idea to approve an investigation on one basis and add a rider it can expand to any other matters arising. I'm also not convinced it's not a good idea so many crimes can attract such draconian charges that so compel cooperation with prosecutors, and Trump has had time to get to work updating that process, but oddly hasn't got around to any detailed reform of a hugely complex issue with a lot of political downside.

piquant wrote:I'm still not convinced it's a good idea to approve an investigation on one basis and add a rider it can expand to any other matters arising. I'm also not convinced it's not a good idea so many crimes can attract such draconian charges that so compel cooperation with prosecutors, and Trump has had time to get to work updating that process, but oddly hasn't got around to any detailed reform of a hugely complex issue with a lot of political downside.

penguin wrote:

Seneca of the Night wrote:-7

Trump's rating of Ruth Bader Ginsberg?

piquant wrote:I'm still not convinced it's a good idea to approve an investigation on one basis and add a rider it can expand to any other matters arising. I'm also not convinced it's not a good idea so many crimes can attract such draconian charges that so compel cooperation with prosecutors, and Trump has had time to get to work updating that process, but oddly hasn't got around to any detailed reform of a hugely complex issue with a lot of political downside.

Yer Man wrote:

piquant wrote:I'm still not convinced it's a good idea to approve an investigation on one basis and add a rider it can expand to any other matters arising. I'm also not convinced it's not a good idea so many crimes can attract such draconian charges that so compel cooperation with prosecutors, and Trump has had time to get to work updating that process, but oddly hasn't got around to any detailed reform of a hugely complex issue with a lot of political downside.

So, you stop a car for a broken tail-light and then notice a dead body in the back seat - but can't investigate that because... her emails?

Oceanbreeze wrote:

Dubh01 wrote:
It's great that we here on the bored have a man on the inside with Mueller. It's obvious from this post that OB is being given insider information none of us have seen or heard of...

You don't need insider information. Infact you don't even need a college degree. All you need is a little bit of common sense. Unfortunately in the present World of libtards chaos, that's not so common!