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Sorry wasn't clear. Was talking about the IDF section you posted.
Are they claiming only 11 deaths?

Dude get it together.
Of the 60 odd deaths 50 appear to be Hamas and 3 appear to be PIJ.

Hamas claim 50 of their activists were killed. Isn't Hamas the government in Gaza. Being a member does not mean you are part of their "military wing" or a terrorist.


I would think being a member of Hamas could ever so slightly increase your likelihood of being a terrorist, it is a listed terrorist organisation in Aus with some quite clear objectives

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The Brigades seek to establish a Palestinian Islamist state comprising Gaza, the West Bank and Israel, destroying Israel as a political entity in the process. Due to the disparity in the military capabilities of the Brigades and Israel, the Brigades have adopted terrorist tactics in their efforts to defeat Israel, including indiscriminate rocket attacks, suicide bombings and kidnappings. The Brigades have never demonstrated intent to conduct attacks outside of Israel and the Palestinian Territories or to target interests of countries other than Israel.
https://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/Lis ... gades.aspx


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What kind of a f**king moron would believe the US paid Iran $billions as part of the JCPOA? :roll:


Bimbo, Trump, GOP senators, GoP House Rep, The interesting crew, PR Conservatives and all manner of Trumpaloos. Never underestimate the amount of idiots in the world



You're another who thinks it was in isolation.... Jeez even trump diplomacy must be work for you.

If it's partly their money as well as money they are owed already then it's disingenuous to characterise it as payment. I believe you accept that so are now going down the "not in isolation" road. Well clearly it wasn't. Does that mean with your moved goalpost you now win at internet ?


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Sorry wasn't clear. Was talking about the IDF section you posted.
Are they claiming only 11 deaths?

Dude get it together.
Of the 60 odd deaths 50 appear to be Hamas and 3 appear to be PIJ.

Hamas claim 50 of their activists were killed. Isn't Hamas the government in Gaza. Being a member does not mean you are part of their "military wing" or a terrorist.



Eh?


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The first pictures of the glorious martyrs are out ... just a pity they weren't available at the time for display at the UN when that world body stood for a minute's silence to mourn their deaths ...
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BREAKING: KCNA says North Korea will "reconsider" summit with Trump if U.S. insists on it giving up nuclear program, says it will never give up its nuclear program in exchange for economic trade with the United States


Shucks!


Is Donald going to have to give back his Nobel Peace Prize?

NK is now beating the drums about how much they dislike Bolton and by inference the past negotiating tactics. I'd really like to know why that lead negotiator quit just before all this came down.

It would be a good thing if Trump could be successful here in some manner. I've often felt the USA was a prisoner of their own doctrine at times when it came from breaking through these cycles of deadlocks and having someone come from left field could be a route forward. However I've got a serious lack of confidence Trump is going to deliver here. Trump's done nothing actually constructive since taking office. He's had an orgy of undoing past legislation and deals (with no chance of putting a better deal in his term of office), his entire policy so far has been taking the easy route of deregulation. This is a positive opportunity to actually do something.

Precisely.

If he could get the DPRK to stop developing nuclear weapons and testing ballistic missiles with the capability of hitting mainland US, then one could possibly acknowledge that his term so far wasn't a complete disaster.

I very much doubt that History will be kind to Donald Trump (whatever Sen and his various acolytes might say), but it may be a tad less harsh should he manage to achieve any sort of result on the Korean peninsular.


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Has the fat orange cünt built that wall yet or was he full of shit after all?


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What kind of a f**king moron would believe the US paid Iran $billions as part of the JCPOA? :roll:


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You're another who thinks it was in isolation.... Jeez even trump diplomacy must be work for you.

If it's partly their money as well as money they are owed already then it's disingenuous to characterise it as payment. I believe you accept that so are now going down the "not in isolation" road. Well clearly it wasn't. Does that mean with your moved goalpost you now win at internet ?



You don't think Hamas are terrorists , I'm not accepting your judgment on these issues.


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What kind of a f**king moron would believe the US paid Iran $billions as part of the JCPOA? :roll:


There's a couple of simpletons that believe that and the "plane full of cash" fallacies. Theres no arguing with them either.


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If this report is to be believed the rest of the Arab world is not happy with Hamas.

http://www.israelhayom.com/2018/05/16/e ... 0%8Eriots/


It's been known for a long time. They're Muslim Brotherhood. The gulf monarchies are vehemently anti-MB (apart from Qatar). They also take money from Iran.


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What kind of a f**king moron would believe the US paid Iran $billions as part of the JCPOA? :roll:


There's a couple of simpletons that believe that and the "plane full of cash" fallacies. Theres no arguing with them either.



You know there was a plane full of cash right ?


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Bullettyme wrote:
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What kind of a f**king moron would believe the US paid Iran $billions as part of the JCPOA? :roll:


There's a couple of simpletons that believe that and the "plane full of cash" fallacies. Theres no arguing with them either.

I don't think Bimbo's a moron; I think he's dishonest in his arguments and incapable of believing that he's not infallible.


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What kind of a f**king moron would believe the US paid Iran $billions as part of the JCPOA? :roll:


There's a couple of simpletons that believe that and the "plane full of cash" fallacies. Theres no arguing with them either.

I don't think Bimbo's a moron; I think he's dishonest in his arguments and incapable of believing that he's not infallible.



:lol: , do you think the deal was seprate from the Nuclear deal ? Do you think Obama was that lax, wow.


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Bullettyme wrote:
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What kind of a f**king moron would believe the US paid Iran $billions as part of the JCPOA? :roll:


There's a couple of simpletons that believe that and the "plane full of cash" fallacies. Theres no arguing with them either.


https://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/03/poli ... index.html

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The Obama administration secretly arranged a plane delivery of $400 million in cash on the same day Iran released four American prisoners and formally implemented the nuclear deal, US officials confirmed Wednesday.

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The money was flown into Iran on wooden pallets stacked with Swiss francs, euros and other currencies ....



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zt1903 wrote:
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Zico wrote:
What kind of a f**king moron would believe the US paid Iran $billions as part of the JCPOA? :roll:


There's a couple of simpletons that believe that and the "plane full of cash" fallacies. Theres no arguing with them either.


https://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/03/poli ... index.html

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The Obama administration secretly arranged a plane delivery of $400 million in cash on the same day Iran released four American prisoners and formally implemented the nuclear deal, US officials confirmed Wednesday.

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The money was flown into Iran on wooden pallets stacked with Swiss francs, euros and other currencies ....




Wow that was amazing coincidence on the timing.


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What kind of a f**king moron would believe the US paid Iran $billions as part of the JCPOA? :roll:


There's a couple of simpletons that believe that and the "plane full of cash" fallacies. Theres no arguing with them either.


https://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/03/poli ... index.html

Quote:
The Obama administration secretly arranged a plane delivery of $400 million in cash on the same day Iran released four American prisoners and formally implemented the nuclear deal, US officials confirmed Wednesday.

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The money was flown into Iran on wooden pallets stacked with Swiss francs, euros and other currencies ....



Ah well. It's not like they were paying them.


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Bullettyme wrote:
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Bullettyme wrote:
Zico wrote:
What kind of a f**king moron would believe the US paid Iran $billions as part of the JCPOA? :roll:


There's a couple of simpletons that believe that and the "plane full of cash" fallacies. Theres no arguing with them either.


https://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/03/poli ... index.html

Quote:
The Obama administration secretly arranged a plane delivery of $400 million in cash on the same day Iran released four American prisoners and formally implemented the nuclear deal, US officials confirmed Wednesday.

.....


The money was flown into Iran on wooden pallets stacked with Swiss francs, euros and other currencies ....



Ah well. It's not like they were paying them.



So there was a plane full of cash then. Simpletons eh?


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Well there was a plane of cash, however it wasn't as payment for taking part in the deal. AFAIK it was their money to begin with.

And yes, simpletons.


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What kind of a f**king moron would believe the US paid Iran $billions as part of the JCPOA? :roll:


Bimbo, Trump, GOP senators, GoP House Rep, The interesting crew, PR Conservatives and all manner of Trumpaloos. Never underestimate the amount of idiots in the world


So the plane full of cash coincidentally arrived the day the Iranians signed the nuclear deal, what an idiot to think that was a related issue.


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I placed a proportion of the Pv/War insurance of all that lovely cash.
Eye watering rates, good old Lloyd’s underwriters: never there for the large print risks, but all over you for risks they can arbitrage.


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Well there was a plane of cash, however it wasn't as payment for taking part in the deal. AFAIK it was their money to begin with.

And yes, simpletons.



Yep,m a coincidence that money which had been disputed for nearly forty years arrived the day the nuclear deal was signed, total coincidence. F ucking hell.


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one view following the release of the Trump Tower testimonies

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The Trump Tower meeting is now ready for Ockham's razor: Those 20 minutes have resulted in more than a year of investigation, countless hours of testimony and tens of thousands of documents. The most obvious explanation, with the least assumptions, is that this was a case of blind and reckless desire overcoming judgment. It is called a "razor" precisely because it "shaves away" unnecessary, or in this case partisan, assumptions. When you shave away the unsupported facts, the Trump Tower meeting appears hardly complimentary but entirely legal


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/thehill.co ... robe%3famp


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Well there was a plane of cash, however it wasn't as payment for taking part in the deal. AFAIK it was their money to begin with.

And yes, simpletons.



Yep,m a coincidence that money which had been disputed for nearly forty years arrived the day the nuclear deal was signed, total coincidence. F ucking hell.


So as part of the agreement Iran wanted the money they were owed according to international law and upheld in court. As per your logic, I pay a bribe to a guy at the bank every month so the bank won't take my house.


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Well there was a plane of cash, however it wasn't as payment for taking part in the deal. AFAIK it was their money to begin with.

And yes, simpletons.



Yep,m a coincidence that money which had been disputed for nearly forty years arrived the day the nuclear deal was signed, total coincidence. F ucking hell.
What was disputed about it. It was Iranian money in US banks and they froze it when their embassy was raided and Americans held hostage.Then they kept it for 40 years. If I take your wallet and won't give it back to you unless you kiss my ass does that mean I'm paying you to kiss my ass or holding your wallet hostage until you comply with my demands.


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Senate Intel committee does what Intel committee's are suppose to do. bi-partisan review and confirm Russia meddled and were trying to help Trump win.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/16/politics ... index.html

So Dumb Devin and Co are now clashing with the senate.


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Nothing burger.
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Missing Files Motivated the Leak of Michael Cohen’s Financial Records

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-des ... al-records


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Senate Intel committee does what Intel committee's are suppose to do. bi-partisan review and confirm Russia meddled and were trying to help Trump win.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/16/politics ... index.html

So Dumb Devin and Co are now clashing with the senate.


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breaking with Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee who questioned the conclusion that the Russians were trying to help President Donald Trump get elected.

It's not surprising just depressing that this part is still a thing


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Principled policy wonk Ryan standing behind Nunes 100%.

Ryan has to be one of the biggest hollow men frauds going.


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Bullettyme wrote:
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What kind of a f**king moron would believe the US paid Iran $billions as part of the JCPOA? :roll:


There's a couple of simpletons that believe that and the "plane full of cash" fallacies. Theres no arguing with them either.

Everyone knew that Iran benefited more from the sales of their oil. Given the only transaction for oil sales was in US Dollars (Petro Dollar), this led to some believing that the US paid them. It wasn't directly however the deal enabled them to acrue financial resources.

And this is where Trump believed Iran would have attempted to build their nuclear programme anyway. However with the launch of the Petro Yuan earlier this year. Iran was for the first time given an alternative market to sell their oil. And given time they would have probably broken the deal themselves.

Trump had to break the deal now so the sanctions can be re-introduced before the petro yuan gains momentum and give Iran a viable option to developing their nuclear programme.

North Korea have already shown that it can be done without oil riches. Imagine an Iran with oil resources to fund their programme. No wonder Israel is getting nervous.


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Yeah. Nah.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/douglasbul ... 84ed476a14


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this is just like a game of Civilisation really ... smashing !!! :lol: :lol: :(


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this is just like a game of Civilisation really ... smashing !!! :lol: :lol: :(


Hopefully we’ll eventually move into a more recent era.


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Maybe you should also read analysis from a Chinese based article


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Botha Boy wrote:
this is just like a game of Civilisation really ... smashing !!! :lol: :lol: :(

History unfortunately backs up that claim bruh! :nod:


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this is just like a game of Civilisation really ... smashing !!! :lol: :lol: :(


Hopefully we’ll eventually move into a more recent era.

Are we talking pre Trump and Brexit era?


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Maybe you should also read analysis from a Chinese based article


I don’t need to read a Chinese article to know there’s a difference between a physical commodity market and a derivatives market.


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Of course, you’re right

I was answering the Bimbo’s question, and keeping it simple, like.



So simply , what should Israel do on the border ?


Unicorn Inc Cameras and trusted traders, of course!
Are you simple or summat ?


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Maybe you should also read analysis from a Chinese based article


I don’t need to read a Chinese article to know there’s a difference between a physical commodity market and a derivatives market.

No one is disputing your knowledge here bruh.

China were the first to introduce paper money 500 years before the practice caught on in Europe in the 17th century. They're not exactly new to creating alternative markets and currency. I'm merely suggesting that perhaps you should consider reading their analysis too on top of the US version and try to be open minded about it.


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It's this sort of thing no doubt decried as Hamas propaganda that piss me off. So unnecessary.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180 ... ed-youths/


That is foul.

Still, I guess it won't stop certain types from pontificating. Loathsome scum is too harsh.



“Certain types “ ? Go on be less candid ,


Were your ears burning, Bimbo?

Disingenuous, wrong, being a bit of a dick maybe, but I'm not sure you have been pontificating too much of late.


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Leaving aside the simplistic reduction of Israel/Palestine into good guys/bad guys and having to pick sides in the whole thing, what was the point of moving the US embassy?

It's been considered before, and isn't inherently a bad thing, although as can be seen is definitely going to provoke unhealthy reactions.

So why do it? What is to be gained? It was done without any form of deal being made, despite it being something that the Israeli side would well have been willing to trade for. Concessions could have been made, something in it to benefit the US and/or the Palestinians and the long term stability of the region, but no, lets just hand that one over.

Promises were made by Trump about dealing with the Middle East, without taking sides, and making the very best deals possible... so where is this deal making?

Sadly, this just look like one more policy-by-impulse with no real strategy, simply driven by the need to feed the ego of a President who wants to have something that he can say other Presidents didn't do.
I listen to an interview with the US Ambassador to Israel under Obama, which identified well the missed opportunity.

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/14/61109766 ... -jerusalem


Thanks Mike. I heard a similar opinion on National radio the other day. Good points made.

Pity Trump couldn't bring himself to listen to a previous President's man on the ground. Instead he has his usual fuckwits blundering about doing heaven knows what.


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What kind of a f**king moron would believe the US paid Iran $billions as part of the JCPOA? :roll:


There's a couple of simpletons that believe that and the "plane full of cash" fallacies. Theres no arguing with them either.

I don't think Bimbo's a moron; I think he's dishonest in his arguments and incapable of believing that he's not infallible.



:lol: , do you think the deal was seprate from the Nuclear deal ? Do you think Obama was that lax, wow.

He doesn't actually contribute materially to the discussion but sets up things he knows you didn't say in order to score cheap points.

As I say: dishonest.


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