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Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:43 pm
by Rinkals
piquant wrote:
Santa wrote:
piquant wrote:
Santa wrote:
piquant wrote:Promise what?

I do think it's getting serious now, far more serious than I thought it would be. They're going to have to look into what happened within the WH around this issue that saw not just some whistleblower reports but some department's lawyers make criminal referrals to the DoJ when they learned what was going on. Oddly the criminal referrals seem to have gone away, but why, and who made that instruction?
The bombshell criminal referral by the CIA lawyer? Looks like a process thing to me. Also looks like effectively the same referral the IG made and the the DOJ already addressed.

I see nothing new. I see the same matter being dressed up again and again but looking fundamentally the same. And I see the 'investigation' being embellished with nonsense about diplomats feeling unundervalued or other similarly irrelevant shite.

I expect the Republicans will use this kind of shit strategy when they next have the House and there's a Dem in the WH. I hope they don't but I won't be surprised if they do and I will know who to blame.

And we're back to claims water isn't wet
Smoking gun. Why not vote?
Why not vote as a mean to authorise an impeachment inquiry?

I assume because they don't need to, such vote not being stipulated for. And I'd presume a certain amount of rigmarole might ensue with witnesses being called by those for and against, which could open lots of people up to being asked questions about all sorts, which isn't altogether a bad idea, but also would quickly cease being germane and allow Trump to try to through lots of shit around in the hope everyone and everything gets coated in an attempt to hide the issue theoretically under discussion.

Congress moves slowly at the best of times without going down that route.

Trump isn't wrong that he's not in effect lawyered up at this stage, but there's no requirement for that, this is only the fact finding part of the process, broadly equivalent to a grand jury hearing, whereas if it gets to the Senate that'll be the trial equivalent when Trump will get his representation and chance to present his case.

There's a fair argument it'd be better if neither side were giving a running commentary at this stage, but that doesn't seem realistic in the modern media landscape
I don't think he's looking for an answer: he's just looking for an opportunity to make himself look clever. A poor man's Seneca.

The fact that defending Trump doesn't necessarily lend itself to looking clever means that at some stage he's going to have to resort to claiming that it was all a windup to enrage the libtards and generate heat.

In the mean time he's always going to behave like a disingenuous twat.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:55 pm
by Santa
Interesting...
President Trump appears likely to win reelection next year, according to three different economic models Moody’s Analytics uses to measure presidential contests.

Moody’s modeling, which has only missed on one presidential election since 1980, found that Trump, who won by a 304-227 margin in the Electoral College in 2016, could easily surpass those results in 2020.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... reelection

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:18 pm
by eldanielfire
Bokkom wrote:Trump is a massive cvnt, no mistake.
The Russians TRY to influence the elections.
The Chinese TRY to influence elections.
The Israelis DO influence elections.
Did I miss anyone out?
The Trump/Russia conspiracy peddled by so many over the last nearly three years is a hoax.
Good summary. Not sure Israel influences elections, they certainly work to get the US government onside however.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:20 pm
by Santa
Seneca of the Night wrote:
EverReady wrote:It has to be surprising for it to be interesting
I'd say that's surprising.
I can only hope he does it with an even worse popular vote.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:25 pm
by eldanielfire
DonBillydeParis wrote:Image
:lol:

Genius!

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:10 pm
by Flockwitt
More stuff coming out of the wash to the surprise of nobody.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets ... spartanntp

A tax code breach wouldn't be enough to sink Trump on his own you might think, but the garbage is mounting up. I wouldn't be looking at economic models for surety that he'll get back in 2020.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:32 pm
by Trostan
Its important that Trump gets the 2020 win.

Otherwise the bored will be down several thousand pages and dozens of journos will be unemployed

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:22 pm
by The Optimist
Trump suggested the Kurds were releasing ISIS prisoners, but US officials say Turkish-backed forces are actually doing this.
Merikans, so much winning.

Turkey, ISIS's airforce and artillery, Merika's ally.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:51 pm
by Rinkals
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Santa wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
EverReady wrote:It has to be surprising for it to be interesting
I'd say that's surprising.
I can only hope he does it with an even worse popular vote.
That would surprising. And intersting. And very funny.
Because it's absolutely hilarious to watch the Turks go after the YPG?

:thumbup:

Good on you, there's nothing like a good scrap, isn't there, Sen.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:08 pm
by Jay Cee Gee
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Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:23 pm
by Santa
Trump: Man of Peace. 8)

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:40 pm
by wamberal99
Santa wrote:Trump: Man of Peace. 8)

Well he certainly never got anywhere near the field of battle I suppose, thanks to his rich father and a complicit doctor.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:50 am
by eugenius
Everyone knows the Kurds were only in it for the money anyway .

Trump captured ISIS by himself in only two months .

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:42 am
by The Man Without Fear
eugenius wrote:Everyone knows the Kurds were only in it for the money anyway .

Trump captured ISIS by himself in only two months .
Lying eu so-called genius thinks that I beat ISIS in two months! FAKE NEWS! It was six weeks! Terrible reporting! SAD!

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:35 am
by eugenius
Very SAD !

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:06 pm
by piquant
Is Sondland going to testify? If so he's never getting the Secretary of State role he's after, but he might well be taking the view he's not paid $1 million for his job so he can go to jail to protect Trump

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:20 pm
by Saint
Jay Cee Gee wrote:Image
I genuinely thought that this was a piss take until I read it just now in other media

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:26 pm
by piquant
Saint wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:Image
I genuinely thought that this was a piss take until I read it just now in other media

You're not the only one. And again it should be possible straight away to simply discount it as real, but with Trump you know there's a chance given he is such a stable genius

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:33 pm
by Wilson's Toffee
A remarkably unorthodox but quote clear call to resolve problems through diplomacy and detente. Hail Donald !!

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:38 pm
by Kiwias
Wilson's Toffee wrote:A remarkably unorthodox but quote clear call to resolve problems through diplomacy and detente. Hail Donald !!
Ungrateful heathen bastard.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-e ... VuaOuf3jvM

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:48 pm
by ManInTheBar
No-one knows more about diplomacy than Donald, no-one

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:00 pm
by The Optimist
Trump squeezing off farts

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Oh yeah


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That's how I roll

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Oooh! Followed thru!

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Hehe!

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Brrrttt!

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Choo! Choo!

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Hmmm..

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:21 pm
by Rinkals
Turkey's Erdogan 'threw Trump's Syria letter in bin'

I'm not surprised.
In response, Turkish presidential sources told BBC Turkish: "President Erdogan received the letter, thoroughly rejected it and put it in the bin."

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:35 pm
by The Man Without Fear
By all reports the Democrats walked out of a meeting about Syria when he threw a massive temper tantrum (because he's a f**king imbecilic manchild not used to anything but yes men).
Details of the contentious encounter continued to emerge throughout Wednesday evening. Trump was said to have kicked off the meeting by bragging about his “nasty” letter to the Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, according to a Democrat familiar with the meeting who was granted anonymity by the Associated Press to discuss it.

Pelosi mentioned the House vote and Schumer began to read the president a quote from the former defense secretary James Mattis on the need to keep US troops in Syria to prevent a resurgent of Islamic State fighters.

But Trump cut Schumer off, complaining that Mattis was “the world’s most overrated general. You know why? He wasn’t tough enough.” Trump went on: “I captured Isis.”

Pelosi explained to Trump that Russia has always wanted a “foothold in the Middle East”, and now it now had one with the US withdrawal, according to a senior Democratic aide who was also granted anonymity.

“All roads with you lead to Putin,” the speaker said.

Then things escalated.

Trump said to Pelosi: “I hate Isis more than you do.” Pelosi responded, “You don’t know that.”

Schumer intervened at one point and said: “Is your plan to rely on the Syrians and the Turks?”

Trump replied: “Our plan is to keep the American people safe.”

Pelosi said: “That’s not a plan. That’s a goal.”

Trump turned to Pelosi and complained about Barack Obama’s “red line” over Syria. According to Schumer, he then called her “a third-rate politician”.

At that point, Steny Hoyer of Maryland, the House majority leader, interjected: “This is not useful.”

Pelosi and Hoyer stood and left the meeting. As they did, Trump said: “Goodbye, we’ll see you at the polls.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... mp-meeting

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:46 pm
by ticketlessinseattle
Everything is a popularity contest with rhis fcuk wit

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:56 pm
by The Man Without Fear
He probably thinks Bobby Lashley beat Umaga in a real fight, too.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:38 pm
by Flockwitt
FFS. That letter. Lincoln must be rolling in his grave.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:46 pm
by ticketlessinseattle
I assumed that letter is a pisstake from the onion ?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:49 pm
by ManInTheBar
ticketlessinseattle wrote:I assumed that letter is a pisstake from the onion ?
Appears not

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle ... VuaOuf3jvM

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:06 pm
by Akkerman
MILLIONS of lives just saved by trump & pence :shock:

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:23 pm
by Uncle Fester
ManInTheBar wrote:
ticketlessinseattle wrote:I assumed that letter is a pisstake from the onion ?
Appears not

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle ... VuaOuf3jvM
:uhoh:

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:36 pm
by DragonKhan
Anddddddddddddd Turkey has announced a ceasefire with the Kurds

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:59 pm
by AlanBengio
Saint wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:Image
I genuinely thought that this was a piss take until I read it just now in other media
I cannot believe he really wrote that... come on
At least I am relieved I spotted him as a madman since day one
Seriously - get the red button out of his hands; the man is f.u.cked up and mad way more than Caligula

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:38 pm
by Rinkals
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Rinkals wrote:Turkey's Erdogan 'threw Trump's Syria letter in bin'

I'm not surprised.
In response, Turkish presidential sources told BBC Turkish: "President Erdogan received the letter, thoroughly rejected it and put it in the bin."
Deep state.
Yeah.

I'm sure that makes sense in your own head.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:42 pm
by Rinkals
ticketlessinseattle wrote:Everything is a popularity contest with rhis fcuk wit
Yes. It's about ratings.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:04 pm
by The Man Without Fear
It's also about naked greed. G7 summit to be held at one of his golf clubs.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:19 pm
by ticketlessinseattle
AlanBengio wrote:
Saint wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:Image
I genuinely thought that this was a piss take until I read it just now in other media
I cannot believe he really wrote that... come on
At least I am relieved I spotted him as a madman since day one
Seriously - get the red button out of his hands; the man is f.u.cked up and mad way more than Caligula
I guess The A team was on cartoonito....i pity the fool....

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:26 pm
by Masterji
ticketlessinseattle wrote:
AlanBengio wrote:
Saint wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:Image
I genuinely thought that this was a piss take until I read it just now in other media
I cannot believe he really wrote that... come on
At least I am relieved I spotted him as a madman since day one
Seriously - get the red button out of his hands; the man is f.u.cked up and mad way more than Caligula
I guess The A team was on cartoonito....i pity the fool....
It's got to be a parody- the President of the United States can't be this thick, and even if he was, some adviser would write something that sounds intelligent. I won't believe it, until he denies it.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:34 pm
by wamberal99
DragonKhan wrote:Anddddddddddddd Turkey has announced a ceasefire with the Kurds

Nobody bothered to ask the Kurds whether they wanted it, of course, or whether they agreed to the terms, whatever they are. And apparently it is only for 72 hours or so.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:49 pm
by fishfoodie
AlanBengio wrote:
I cannot believe he really wrote that... come on
At least I am relieved I spotted him as a madman since day one
Seriously - get the red button out of his hands; the man is f.u.cked up and mad way more than Caligula
Caligula just made his horse a consul; Trump put a horses ass in charge of ME Peace .... & drug prevention, etc, etc