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Correct.sorCrer wrote:With the world's largest economy, any grownup not interested in US politics is a blithering idiot.Lemoentjie wrote:There is some genuine derangement here. Why are saffers here so obsessed with US politics?saffer13 wrote:You lot are losing it. I'm flattered that you're all so concerned that I've taken up about half your posts on the last two pages
In many ways it's sad the GOP was one of the parties to endure, Trump would be a much better fit for the Know Nothing party. That's actually true both in jest and fact for anyone not familiar with the Know Nothingsfishfoodie wrote:Don't sell him short; he claimed he was the greatest since Lincoln !EverReady wrote:Liar. They wanted to bomb him and humiliate him all because he had the temerity to become the greatest leader the US has known since Roosevelt
Who; not many people know founded the Republican Party .....
My worry is that the shitgibbon wants to start another civil war
Yes, I don't think it was meant to be taken seriously.TheFrog wrote:I haven't read the whole article, but this assumes wrongly that criminal trials and political trials follow the same rules.Rinkals wrote:Here's a very strong argument against impeachment.
This is wrong, and this is actually the manipulation attempted by Trump's defense team who try to convince the Senate that an impeachment trial is a criminal trial. It is not. It is a political trial, and the question to be answered is whether or not Trump's behavior violate the Constitution and whether or not the President is fit for office given his behavior and dealings.
The two issues brought forward by the Democrats are:
- Abuse of power: ignoring Congressional vote and disposing of funds allocated to Ukraine to achieve his own personal objectives. This is actually quite an important vote here for the Senate, as it can totally undermine the Congress going forward. In other words, this redefines the balance of power between Executive and Legislative branches. There have been quite a number of abuses already by previous President (including Obama). I think the latest one before this issue was Trump diverting funds allocated to defense to build the wall on the Mexico border. Will the Senate say this is fine, even if that behavior is not for what the President believe is good for the country, but for what is good for his own personal purposes.
- Obstruction of Congress: this will vote will also further redefine the balance of power. Can the Executive Branch refuse to comply with Congressional votes? In particular, can they do this to obstruct the process of justice?
Those two votes have enormous consequences, as did the Democrat dismissal of Clinton's impeachment for lying under oath.
The USA are building for themselves a less and less democratic political organisation, that is concentrating powers in the hands of the President and could result in a mad man hurting country and world alike... At the same time as they pretend to be worried about North Korea and Iran...
I don't think that's quite right; he claimed to be a better president than Lincoln, didn't he? saying that he was the greatest since Lincoln implies Lincoln was greater..fishfoodie wrote:Don't sell him short; he claimed he was the greatest since Lincoln !EverReady wrote:Liar. They wanted to bomb him and humiliate him all because he had the temerity to become the greatest leader the US has known since Roosevelt
Who; not many people know founded the Republican Party .....
My worry is that the shitgibbon wants to start another civil war
So it's the Know Nothing versus the Do Nothing?piquant wrote:In many ways it's sad the GOP was one of the parties to endure, Trump would be a much better fit for the Know Nothing party. That's actually true both in jest and fact for anyone not familiar with the Know Nothingsfishfoodie wrote:Don't sell him short; he claimed he was the greatest since Lincoln !EverReady wrote:Liar. They wanted to bomb him and humiliate him all because he had the temerity to become the greatest leader the US has known since Roosevelt
Who; not many people know founded the Republican Party .....
My worry is that the shitgibbon wants to start another civil war
I know this was not meant to be taken seriously, but it contributes to the Republican story book in some ways, and this should be clarified at every opportunity. Impeachment is not a criminal trial.Rinkals wrote:Yes, I don't think it was meant to be taken seriously.TheFrog wrote:I haven't read the whole article, but this assumes wrongly that criminal trials and political trials follow the same rules.Rinkals wrote:Here's a very strong argument against impeachment.
This is wrong, and this is actually the manipulation attempted by Trump's defense team who try to convince the Senate that an impeachment trial is a criminal trial. It is not. It is a political trial, and the question to be answered is whether or not Trump's behavior violate the Constitution and whether or not the President is fit for office given his behavior and dealings.
The two issues brought forward by the Democrats are:
- Abuse of power: ignoring Congressional vote and disposing of funds allocated to Ukraine to achieve his own personal objectives. This is actually quite an important vote here for the Senate, as it can totally undermine the Congress going forward. In other words, this redefines the balance of power between Executive and Legislative branches. There have been quite a number of abuses already by previous President (including Obama). I think the latest one before this issue was Trump diverting funds allocated to defense to build the wall on the Mexico border. Will the Senate say this is fine, even if that behavior is not for what the President believe is good for the country, but for what is good for his own personal purposes.
- Obstruction of Congress: this will vote will also further redefine the balance of power. Can the Executive Branch refuse to comply with Congressional votes? In particular, can they do this to obstruct the process of justice?
Those two votes have enormous consequences, as did the Democrat dismissal of Clinton's impeachment for lying under oath.
The USA are building for themselves a less and less democratic political organisation, that is concentrating powers in the hands of the President and could result in a mad man hurting country and world alike... At the same time as they pretend to be worried about North Korea and Iran...
I agree that the impeachment has very little chance of success, but, as I've stated before, the worst possible outcome would be for a successful impeachment. In fact, in my opinion, the GOP would boost their chances of defeating the Democrats in next year's elections, were he to be impeached.
The important thing, as far as the Democrats are concerned, is that Trump's abuses are fully aired in public so that the American electorate can see it for themselves.
Well the left (and sorC) and equate the Iranian terrorist to Lady Diana cult status....in fact, the guy saved puppies and kittens from burning building in his spare time.BokJock wrote:Not true - I saw a photo of Chuck and Nancy in full on Muslim gear, they were posing in front of the Iranian flag and everythingpiquant wrote:I'm going out on a limb to suggest the Dems didn't and don't want to carry out terrorist attacks of any size or frequency against the USAWilson's Toffee wrote:If the Dems had their way, they would have bombed the White House on a daily basis umtill The Don quit.
Guess they wish...
Mmm... Interesting. Thank you for your valuable contribution.saffer13 wrote:Well the left (and sorC) and equate the Iranian terrorist to Lady Diana cult status....in fact, the guy saved puppies and kittens from burning building in his spare time.BokJock wrote:Not true - I saw a photo of Chuck and Nancy in full on Muslim gear, they were posing in front of the Iranian flag and everythingpiquant wrote:I'm going out on a limb to suggest the Dems didn't and don't want to carry out terrorist attacks of any size or frequency against the USAWilson's Toffee wrote:If the Dems had their way, they would have bombed the White House on a daily basis umtill The Don quit.
Guess they wish...
How would you categorize black folk that are pro-Trump or Republican? Just curious because you have the answers to it all.Rinkals wrote:The odd thing is that Trump is quite popular among the white population here.Lemoentjie wrote:There is some genuine derangement here. Why are saffers here so obsessed with US politics?saffer13 wrote:You lot are losing it. I'm flattered that you're all so concerned that I've taken up about half your posts on the last two pages
I'm not sure if it's blind hatred of Obama, sympathy with white supremacists, a childlike desire to defer to an authority figure as an ingrained product of a laager mentality or a combination of the three.
Perhaps Trump reminds them of John Vorster.
In any case, we are all affected by Trump's misrule and I don't think it's feasible to ask us to ignore it.
Hell, it's better than your C&P efforts of the impeachment trial updatesTheFrog wrote:Mmm... Interesting. Thank you for your valuable contribution.saffer13 wrote:Well the left (and sorC) and equate the Iranian terrorist to Lady Diana cult status....in fact, the guy saved puppies and kittens from burning building in his spare time.BokJock wrote:Not true - I saw a photo of Chuck and Nancy in full on Muslim gear, they were posing in front of the Iranian flag and everythingpiquant wrote:I'm going out on a limb to suggest the Dems didn't and don't want to carry out terrorist attacks of any size or frequency against the USAWilson's Toffee wrote:If the Dems had their way, they would have bombed the White House on a daily basis umtill The Don quit.
Guess they wish...
Nicely doneTheFrog wrote:So it's the Know Nothing versus the Do Nothing?piquant wrote:In many ways it's sad the GOP was one of the parties to endure, Trump would be a much better fit for the Know Nothing party. That's actually true both in jest and fact for anyone not familiar with the Know Nothingsfishfoodie wrote:Don't sell him short; he claimed he was the greatest since Lincoln !EverReady wrote:Liar. They wanted to bomb him and humiliate him all because he had the temerity to become the greatest leader the US has known since Roosevelt
Who; not many people know founded the Republican Party .....
My worry is that the shitgibbon wants to start another civil war
Dave Chappelle and Clayton Bigsby come to mind.saffer13 wrote:How would you categorize black folk that are pro-Trump or Republican? Just curious because you have the answers to it all.Rinkals wrote:The odd thing is that Trump is quite popular among the white population here.Lemoentjie wrote:There is some genuine derangement here. Why are saffers here so obsessed with US politics?saffer13 wrote:You lot are losing it. I'm flattered that you're all so concerned that I've taken up about half your posts on the last two pages
I'm not sure if it's blind hatred of Obama, sympathy with white supremacists, a childlike desire to defer to an authority figure as an ingrained product of a laager mentality or a combination of the three.
Perhaps Trump reminds them of John Vorster.
In any case, we are all affected by Trump's misrule and I don't think it's feasible to ask us to ignore it.
100%.saffer13 wrote:On another note, can we all agree that the dinner conversation in the Conway household would be pretty entertaining...?
If entertaining means weird. Or maybe Kelly isn't batshit crazy in real lifesaffer13 wrote:On another note, can we all agree that the dinner conversation in the Conway household would be pretty entertaining...?
Very interesting couple, and hopefully role models in how to disagree without being disagreeable (at least to each other).penguin wrote:100%.saffer13 wrote:On another note, can we all agree that the dinner conversation in the Conway household would be pretty entertaining...?
Clinton Mafia vs. Biden Mafia....who wins?Seneca of the Night wrote:Tucker on the Biden crime family and why he is being pushed forward by the Democrats. Watch before it's removed: https://youtu.be/m80ccCNX1Zk
Biden crime family? Seriously?Seneca of the Night wrote:Tucker on the Biden crime family and why he is being pushed forward by the Democrats. Watch before it's removed: https://youtu.be/m80ccCNX1Zk
Trump mafia?saffer13 wrote:Clinton Mafia vs. Biden Mafia....who wins?Seneca of the Night wrote:Tucker on the Biden crime family and why he is being pushed forward by the Democrats. Watch before it's removed: https://youtu.be/m80ccCNX1Zk
Well Trump mafia won round one against Clinton Mafia. Biden seems weak in comparison to all that.TheFrog wrote:Trump mafia?saffer13 wrote:Clinton Mafia vs. Biden Mafia....who wins?Seneca of the Night wrote:Tucker on the Biden crime family and why he is being pushed forward by the Democrats. Watch before it's removed: https://youtu.be/m80ccCNX1Zk
That's where the Democrats may settle for a quick dismissal of the Trump's case at the Senate. They'll put up the necessary pretense of a fight, but they may not want things to become too obvious to the public.6.Jones wrote:I wonder how both sides of American politics feel about presiding over the descent of the American political system into low farce.
Interesting, you will of course back up that assertion. Iranian military general. I'm pro-abortion and pro death sentence.saffer13 wrote:Well the left (and sorC) and equate the Iranian terrorist to Lady Diana cult status....in fact, the guy saved puppies and kittens from burning building in his spare time.BokJock wrote:Not true - I saw a photo of Chuck and Nancy in full on Muslim gear, they were posing in front of the Iranian flag and everythingpiquant wrote:I'm going out on a limb to suggest the Dems didn't and don't want to carry out terrorist attacks of any size or frequency against the USAWilson's Toffee wrote:If the Dems had their way, they would have bombed the White House on a daily basis umtill The Don quit.
Guess they wish...
Why is that odd to you, out of interest? Given that the White House has actually had meetings with Afriforum, and shows at least more worry about the plight of farmers than any other administration, it's not surprising.Rinkals wrote:The odd thing is that Trump is quite popular among the white population here.Lemoentjie wrote:There is some genuine derangement here. Why are saffers here so obsessed with US politics?saffer13 wrote:You lot are losing it. I'm flattered that you're all so concerned that I've taken up about half your posts on the last two pages
I'm not sure if it's blind hatred of Obama, sympathy with white supremacists, a childlike desire to defer to an authority figure as an ingrained product of a laager mentality or a combination of the three.
Perhaps Trump reminds them of John Vorster.
In any case, we are all affected by Trump's misrule and I don't think it's feasible to ask us to ignore it.
Masterji wrote:Dave Chappelle and Clayton Bigsby come to mind.saffer13 wrote:How would you categorize black folk that are pro-Trump or Republican? Just curious because you have the answers to it all.Rinkals wrote:The odd thing is that Trump is quite popular among the white population here.Lemoentjie wrote:There is some genuine derangement here. Why are saffers here so obsessed with US politics?saffer13 wrote:You lot are losing it. I'm flattered that you're all so concerned that I've taken up about half your posts on the last two pages
I'm not sure if it's blind hatred of Obama, sympathy with white supremacists, a childlike desire to defer to an authority figure as an ingrained product of a laager mentality or a combination of the three.
Perhaps Trump reminds them of John Vorster.
In any case, we are all affected by Trump's misrule and I don't think it's feasible to ask us to ignore it.
wow, that is impressive, complete sentences and everything ; not exactly Andrew Neill in terms of questions about the biggest and best deficit ever but you know, baby stepsSeneca of the Night wrote:Just watching this extremely impressive interview with Trump and Maria bartiromo. Watch and learn. https://youtu.be/0YFIG9D8JO8
Where I have an issue with Tucker, is when he pretends to believe that Trump isn't of the same mold as these crooks. Of course, he is not as sophisticated and well organised as they are, he is basically a street thug who managed to make it to the top by a conjunction of lucky opportunities, but he is a thug nonetheless. Supporting a thug because he doesn't belong to the criminal in ties organisations isn't really the way you can improve your country and your democracy.Seneca of the Night wrote:Tucker on the Biden crime family and why he is being pushed forward by the Democrats. Watch before it's removed: https://youtu.be/m80ccCNX1Zk
Flockwitt wrote:Curious scientific fact, fecal matter does flow uphill.
https://us.yahoo.com/news/dc-sues-trump ... 59188.html
The broad spectrum of vocabulary used just shows the bright intellectual power behind this determined face...Seneca of the Night wrote:Just watching this extremely impressive interview with Trump and Maria bartiromo. Watch and learn. https://youtu.be/0YFIG9D8JO8
I don't know if they have a blind hatred of Obama, but I'd be surprised if they had white supremacy sympathies or were the product of Apartheid-era laager mentality, or carried any admiration for John Vorster.saffer13 wrote:How would you categorize black folk that are pro-Trump or Republican? Just curious because you have the answers to it all.Rinkals wrote:The odd thing is that Trump is quite popular among the white population here.Lemoentjie wrote:There is some genuine derangement here. Why are saffers here so obsessed with US politics?saffer13 wrote:You lot are losing it. I'm flattered that you're all so concerned that I've taken up about half your posts on the last two pages
I'm not sure if it's blind hatred of Obama, sympathy with white supremacists, a childlike desire to defer to an authority figure as an ingrained product of a laager mentality or a combination of the three.
Perhaps Trump reminds them of John Vorster.
In any case, we are all affected by Trump's misrule and I don't think it's feasible to ask us to ignore it.
Seneca of the Night wrote:It's stories like this that make for chilling reading, and makes one reflect on the lived experience of being a trump supporter in a hostile world. I shudder when I realise this could have been me. If I lived in Florida. And Rinkals was my farmboy:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/flo ... -affidavitA Florida construction worker has been arrested on suspicion of killing his childhood friend and boss - a Trump supporter, during an argument which may have erupted over politics, according to Orange County Sheriff's Detective Fabian Ramirez.
That is a shit post, really poor from you.Seneca of the Night wrote:It's stories like this that make for chilling reading, and makes one reflect on the lived experience of being a trump supporter in a hostile world. I shudder when I realise this could have been me. If I lived in Florida. And Rinkals was my farmboy:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/flo ... -affidavitA Florida construction worker has been arrested on suspicion of killing his childhood friend and boss - a Trump supporter, during an argument which may have erupted over politics, according to Orange County Sheriff's Detective Fabian Ramirez.
Seneca will draw his custom conclusion, whatever the facts.Saint wrote:Seneca of the Night wrote:It's stories like this that make for chilling reading, and makes one reflect on the lived experience of being a trump supporter in a hostile world. I shudder when I realise this could have been me. If I lived in Florida. And Rinkals was my farmboy:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/flo ... -affidavitA Florida construction worker has been arrested on suspicion of killing his childhood friend and boss - a Trump supporter, during an argument which may have erupted over politics, according to Orange County Sheriff's Detective Fabian Ramirez.
Have you read that? He's not anti-Trump, he's anti-Government.
Got fudge all to do with being a Trump supporter in an evil world where those commit deep state dems are out to get you
I always thought you did live in Florida, and Rinkals was a farmboy. I've seen South African forwards so I know what farmboys look like.Seneca of the Night wrote:It's stories like this that make for chilling reading, and makes one reflect on the lived experience of being a trump supporter in a hostile world. I shudder when I realise this could have been me. If I lived in Florida. And Rinkals was my farmboy:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/flo ... -affidavitA Florida construction worker has been arrested on suspicion of killing his childhood friend and boss - a Trump supporter, during an argument which may have erupted over politics, according to Orange County Sheriff's Detective Fabian Ramirez.
So, killers are heroes.EverReady wrote:You and I both know that when it comes to the crunch the guys who will do the killing are liberals. Conservatives at their very core are scared and that is why 83% of medal of honour winners support the Democrats since the 1960's. You can find the evidence for that on Liberal treehouse.com and zerobushSeneca of the Night wrote:It's stories like this that make for chilling reading, and makes one reflect on the lived experience of being a trump supporter in a hostile world. I shudder when I realise this could have been me. If I lived in Florida. And Rinkals was my farmboy:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/flo ... -affidavitA Florida construction worker has been arrested on suspicion of killing his childhood friend and boss - a Trump supporter, during an argument which may have erupted over politics, according to Orange County Sheriff's Detective Fabian Ramirez.
Liberals have so many medals of honour they just throw them away.....as geniusly exposed by swiftboat veterans for Bush ; remember John Kerry had so many medals (7) form Vietnam that he threw some away..... ; now Bush spent the Vietnam war coked off his tits blowing through dads cash (see a pattern here ?) but managed to convince "conservatives" that he was the tough Patriot needed to protect the US against Saddam and another 9/11, his WMD's or whatever the latest version was at the time./EverReady wrote:You and I both know that when it comes to the crunch the guys who will do the killing are liberals. Conservatives at their very core are scared and that is why 83% of medal of honour winners support the Democrats since the 1960's. You can find the evidence for that on Liberal treehouse.com and zerobushSeneca of the Night wrote:It's stories like this that make for chilling reading, and makes one reflect on the lived experience of being a trump supporter in a hostile world. I shudder when I realise this could have been me. If I lived in Florida. And Rinkals was my farmboy:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/flo ... -affidavitA Florida construction worker has been arrested on suspicion of killing his childhood friend and boss - a Trump supporter, during an argument which may have erupted over politics, according to Orange County Sheriff's Detective Fabian Ramirez.