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Drove through Cradock the other day - Jaysus the memories of being obliterated by them in tennis each year was tough

Now stop being a plum youngster.
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Wait, so you are 38, what is this whole youngster talk? I really don't get it to be honest

Stick with just stop being a plum then.

Bud if you think that WT was an appropriate poster then you haven't a clue

What?
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https://www.dailysun.co.za/News/National/current-land-claims-will-take-178-years-to-clear-20180517

Current land claims will take 178 years to clear.

Can someone with boots in the ground fill me in? The property we own and will move in to soon was previously owned by a white couple, I don't know about the owners before them but I would assume white as well.

What's our risk? And can I expect any government correspondence?


There is no risk. Nothing will change.


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What?
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I think I speak for 99% of the bored when I say good riddance to racist rubbish


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What?
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I think I speak for 99% of the bored when I say good riddance to racist rubbish

Did you report him as well? So him and Sard?


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What?
Are you for real?

I think I speak for 99% of the bored when I say good riddance to racist rubbish

Did you report him as well? So him and Sard?

Well Sard posted my personal info here without consent which is pretty pathetic and WT had reported me many times in the past which was pretty funny


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Big Nipper wrote:
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What?
Are you for real?

I think I speak for 99% of the bored when I say good riddance to racist rubbish

Did you report him as well? So him and Sard?

Well Sard posted my personal info here without consent which is pretty pathetic and WT had reported me many times in the past which was pretty funny

So you did report both. Got it.


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Spot on


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Spot on

For what? What did he say?


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You are a piece of work BN.


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I'm sure you concerned posters can start a "Justice for old Racist scumbag" thread


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I'm sure you concerned posters can start a "Justice for old Racist scumbag" thread

I repeat, what did he do/say?


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I'm sure you concerned posters can start a "Justice for old Racist scumbag" thread

I repeat, what did he do/say?

He for the umpteenth time used his classic racial stereotypes to knock a poster down.


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I'm sure you concerned posters can start a "Justice for old Racist scumbag" thread

I repeat, what did he do/say?

He for the umpteenth time used his classic racial stereotypes to knock a poster down.

Link?


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I'm sure you concerned posters can start a "Justice for old Racist scumbag" thread

I repeat, what did he do/say?

He for the umpteenth time used his classic racial stereotypes to knock a poster down.

Link?

It was probably 4 weeks ago, not sure which thread it was on.

You could ask the mods


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Bill Cosby thread


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https://www.power987.co.za/news/jeppe-boys-deputy-principal-gives-powerful-white-privilege-speech/


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I can't see that being terribly popular here.


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I dunno, it is very amusing. Would've struggled to contain my laughter when he started listing his examples if I was in the room.

I think he would be a massively popular poster if he was on this forum.


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I dunno, it is very amusing. Would've struggled to contain my laughter when he started listing his examples if I was in the room.

I think he would be a massively popular poster if he was on this forum.


The kiwis would love him. And Big Nipper.


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I dunno, it is very amusing. Would've struggled to contain my laughter when he started listing his examples if I was in the room.

I think he would be a massively popular poster if he was on this forum.

This post was made from across the Pond


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 Post subject: Re: SA Politics thread
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I see that Zuma is denying starting a new party. Along with saying that he hasn't broken the law and that the Gupta family never captured the state.


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I see that Zuma is denying starting a new party. Along with saying that he hasn't broken the law and that the Gupta family never captured the state.

Would be good news as it would dilute the power of the ANC, and perhaps negate some of the damage that the DA has done to itself this year


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I see that Zuma is denying starting a new party. Along with saying that he hasn't broken the law and that the Gupta family never captured the state.

Would be good news as it would dilute the power of the ANC, and perhaps negate some of the damage that the DA has done to itself this year

DA is fvcked. Their handling of the DeLille situation has been a shambles.
I've vote for them in their various guises for 30 odd years and can't see myself voting for them next year.
I think that there may be quite a few dissatisfied people like me with no party to vote for.


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Chilli wrote:
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Chilli wrote:
I see that Zuma is denying starting a new party. Along with saying that he hasn't broken the law and that the Gupta family never captured the state.

Would be good news as it would dilute the power of the ANC, and perhaps negate some of the damage that the DA has done to itself this year

DA is fvcked. Their handling of the DeLille situation has been a shambles.
I've vote for them in their various guises for 30 odd years and can't see myself voting for them next year.
I think that there may be quite a few dissatisfied people like me with no party to vote for.

Indeed, I am similarly conflicted. What is the alternative? Cope?


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I have to admit that I don't know that much about COPE but really liked Lekota when he was Premier of the Freestate. He comes across as very astute.


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Big Nipper wrote:
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I see that Zuma is denying starting a new party. Along with saying that he hasn't broken the law and that the Gupta family never captured the state.

Would be good news as it would dilute the power of the ANC, and perhaps negate some of the damage that the DA has done to itself this year

DA is fvcked. Their handling of the DeLille situation has been a shambles.
I've vote for them in their various guises for 30 odd years and can't see myself voting for them next year.
I think that there may be quite a few dissatisfied people like me with no party to vote for.

Indeed, I am similarly conflicted. What is the alternative? Cope?


The DA have become money grabbers and are allowing over development of the City. They are squeezing the ratepayers and middle class, who are already under major pressure. I never was a fan of Helen Zille but I like Maimane. I am looking to vote for a smaller party for the local elections and maybe the DA for national. Maybe they will get the message. Maybe the new Federal Party or the one of the Christian parties. We will see.


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I like both of them, however I don't like the DA at this point.
I just fond them horribly arrogant and untrustworthy.


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Must be honest, I find the whole "privilege" thing to be BS. Why is it anybody's problem if somebody else did not have some sort of privilege? Would the All Blacks pick a lesser team because they are playing a team with less access to talent, coaching etc, just to be "fair"? Should Einstein pretend to be less intelligent because the rest of the world cannot match him? The world does not work like that.


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I have to admit that I don't know that much about COPE but really liked Lekota when he was Premier of the Freestate. He comes across as very astute.



I think he has turned out to be the most trustworthy of the current political bunch. He was indeed very good as premier of the OFS.

He was also the only politician who impressed me when parliament debated on the 'land grab bill'. He was totally against it, asking uncomfortable questions and saying white people are as much African as black people. He recently gave a speech at UNISA, and in that he talked about the real history of South Africa, how it wasn't only the whites who colonized SA, but also the Bantus from Northern Africa.

To think he had the nickname "Terror Lekota" under the apartheid regime, and now he's the only one who seems to make sense.

I too am disillusioned by the DA after two rather nasty run-ins with them, and also their current problems and the way they deal with it. Gone are the days of the PFP, a real democratic party.

I'm also considering voting COPE in the next election. Or I might just not be bothered to vote at all. I don't think democracy works lekker in African countries.


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I have to admit that I don't know that much about COPE but really liked Lekota when he was Premier of the Freestate. He comes across as very astute.



I think he has turned out to be the most trustworthy of the current political bunch. He was indeed very good as premier of the OFS.

He was also the only politician who impressed me when parliament debated on the 'land grab bill'. He was totally against it, asking uncomfortable questions and saying white people are as much African as black people. He recently gave a speech at UNISA, and in that he talked about the real history of South Africa, how it wasn't only the whites who colonized SA, but also the Bantus from Northern Africa.

To think he had the nickname "Terror Lekota" under the apartheid regime, and now he's the only one who seems to make sense.

I too am disillusioned by the DA after two rather nasty run-ins with them, and also their current problems and the way they deal with it. Gone are the days of the PFP, a real democratic party.

I'm also considering voting COPE in the next election. Or I might just not be bothered to vote at all. I don't think democracy works lekker in African countries.

The nickname "Terror" comes from his soccer playing days if my memory serves me right.

I thought that his opposition to the land expropriation was more because it is actually provided for in the Constitution already so there is no amendment needed and it is all just a storm in a tea cup.


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I dunno, it is very amusing. Would've struggled to contain my laughter when he started listing his examples if I was in the room.

I think he would be a massively popular poster if he was on this forum.

I think you have to take into account his audience.

I'm not sure that beige sticking plaster is necessarily symptomatic of the prevalence of white privilege, nor the ratio of white super heroes to black, but it's probably something that resonates with prepubescent boys. Also, he is responding to a speech by a previous speaker and perhaps it was brought up by him (or her).

However, I do think the main thrust of his speech is correct.

I think it's inescapable that whites in this country are the recipients of advantages that are not granted to the average Diepsloot resident.

I am, of course aware that there are white people who live under horrendous poverty, but even when one sees a white beggar or a white car guard, one is tempted to give them 5 or 10 or even a hundred Rand, as against the two or three that one might give a black beggar or car guard.

Likewise, I am aware that whites (and especially white males) are excluded from Government contracts under BEE rules which speaks of Black privilege, but I'm not entirely sure that this cancels out.

Anyone who went to school in this country prior to black majority rule is aware that there was a two tier system whereby the vast bulk of educational resources was devoted to the education of the minority whites, whereas the vast majority of the population received an inferior education. And, while the opening up of public schools formerly reserved for whites to pupils of all colours may have meant that the public purse may have been dispersed more equitably, many whites have simply used their superior earning power to remove their offspring to private schools where they are more likely to get a better education and the pupils left behind have been left behind to share dwindling resources.


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Rinkals wrote:
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I dunno, it is very amusing. Would've struggled to contain my laughter when he started listing his examples if I was in the room.

I think he would be a massively popular poster if he was on this forum.

I think you have to take into account his audience.

I'm not sure that beige sticking plaster is necessarily symptomatic of the prevalence of white privilege, nor the ratio of white super heroes to black, but it's probably something that resonates with prepubescent boys. Also, he is responding to a speech by a previous speaker and perhaps it was brought up by him (or her).

However, I do think the main thrust of his speech is correct.

I think it's inescapable that whites in this country are the recipients of advantages that are not granted to the average Diepsloot resident.

I am, of course aware that there are white people who live under horrendous poverty, but even when one sees a white beggar or a white car guard, one is tempted to give them 5 or 10 or even a hundred Rand, as against the two or three that one might give a black beggar or car guard.

Likewise, I am aware that whites (and especially white males) are excluded from Government contracts under BEE rules which speaks of Black privilege, but I'm not entirely sure that this cancels out.

Anyone who went to school in this country prior to black majority rule is aware that there was a two tier system whereby the vast bulk of educational resources was devoted to the education of the minority whites, whereas the vast majority of the population received an inferior education. And, while the opening up of public schools formerly reserved for whites to pupils of all colours may have meant that the public purse may have been dispersed more equitably, many whites have simply used their superior earning power to remove their offspring to private schools where they are more likely to get a better education and the pupils left behind have been left behind to share dwindling resources.

:lol:

A lot of caveats there. Most of the middle class is black, the entire government is also black.

But whites are privilege because of a Starbucks in America or something. It's some amusing shit this.

All you're really doing is campaigning for Afriforum.


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ox wagon wrote:
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I dunno, it is very amusing. Would've struggled to contain my laughter when he started listing his examples if I was in the room.

I think he would be a massively popular poster if he was on this forum.

I think you have to take into account his audience.

I'm not sure that beige sticking plaster is necessarily symptomatic of the prevalence of white privilege, nor the ratio of white super heroes to black, but it's probably something that resonates with prepubescent boys. Also, he is responding to a speech by a previous speaker and perhaps it was brought up by him (or her).

However, I do think the main thrust of his speech is correct.

I think it's inescapable that whites in this country are the recipients of advantages that are not granted to the average Diepsloot resident.

I am, of course aware that there are white people who live under horrendous poverty, but even when one sees a white beggar or a white car guard, one is tempted to give them 5 or 10 or even a hundred Rand, as against the two or three that one might give a black beggar or car guard.

Likewise, I am aware that whites (and especially white males) are excluded from Government contracts under BEE rules which speaks of Black privilege, but I'm not entirely sure that this cancels out.

Anyone who went to school in this country prior to black majority rule is aware that there was a two tier system whereby the vast bulk of educational resources was devoted to the education of the minority whites, whereas the vast majority of the population received an inferior education. And, while the opening up of public schools formerly reserved for whites to pupils of all colours may have meant that the public purse may have been dispersed more equitably, many whites have simply used their superior earning power to remove their offspring to private schools where they are more likely to get a better education and the pupils left behind have been left behind to share dwindling resources.

:lol:

A lot of caveats there. Most of the middle class is black, the entire government is also black.

But whites are privilege because of a Starbucks in America or something. It's some amusing shit this.

All you're really doing is campaigning for Afriforum.

WTF?

Where did I deny that there was a black middle class? Where did I deny that the Government was black?

If you have no interest in discussing the issues that I raised, then fine, that's alright. I certainly don't mind.


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Must be honest, I find the whole "privilege" thing to be BS. Why is it anybody's problem if somebody else did not have some sort of privilege? Would the All Blacks pick a lesser team because they are playing a team with less access to talent, coaching etc, just to be "fair"? Should Einstein pretend to be less intelligent because the rest of the world cannot match him? The world does not work like that.

I think that's where most people go in different directions with this argument and it becomes sensitive. My pov is not one of having to apologize for being white or having certain privileges due to being white, but rather one of understanding the realities that people were oppressed due to nothing more than skin color and to make as if that didn't take place or to simply say "get over it" will do nothing in repairing those wrongs.

I think his use of examples was too much and not needed, some which he really would have no clue about regarding the details other than a few news snippets he'd be privy to over there, I do agree mostly with his argument though. I 100% support rewarding hard work, effort, etc. but at the same time am not oblivious to how certain races were not afforded the same opportunities I was.


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Bloutoria wrote:
Must be honest, I find the whole "privilege" thing to be BS. Why is it anybody's problem if somebody else did not have some sort of privilege? Would the All Blacks pick a lesser team because they are playing a team with less access to talent, coaching etc, just to be "fair"? Should Einstein pretend to be less intelligent because the rest of the world cannot match him? The world does not work like that.


Ja I tend to agree. I've followed these white privilege discussions over the last couple of years, and I still don't see a coherent argument or theory behind it, other than a collection of anecdotes like "imagine running a race and your opponent has a head start".

The world is an unfair, unjust place. It always has been. In my opinion, this privilege they speak of has much more to do with class than skin tone. It exists all over the world.

The sooner people start coming up with solutions rather than simply reconfiguring the problem over and over again, then progress will be made.


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Look, I agree, one cannot do anything about being born white, and I don't think we need to feel guilty about it.

But I do think it's important to acknowledge the advantages it gives us. I appreciate that there are some disadvantages to being born a pale male in South Africa, but in general, these are outweighed.


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Look, I agree, one cannot do anything about being born white, and I don't think we need to feel guilty about it.

But I do think it's important to acknowledge the advantages it gives us. I appreciate that there are some disadvantages to being born a pale male in South Africa, but in general, these are outweighed.


But what does this actually achieve?


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Must be honest, I find the whole "privilege" thing to be BS. Why is it anybody's problem if somebody else did not have some sort of privilege? Would the All Blacks pick a lesser team because they are playing a team with less access to talent, coaching etc, just to be "fair"? Should Einstein pretend to be less intelligent because the rest of the world cannot match him? The world does not work like that.

I think that's where most people go in different directions with this argument and it becomes sensitive. My pov is not one of having to apologize for being white or having certain privileges due to being white, but rather one of understanding the realities that people were oppressed due to nothing more than skin color and to make as if that didn't take place or to simply say "get over it" will do nothing in repairing those wrongs.

I think his use of examples was too much and not needed, some which he really would have no clue about regarding the details other than a few news snippets he'd be privy to over there, I do agree mostly with his argument though. I 100% support rewarding hard work, effort, etc. but at the same time am not oblivious to how certain races were not afforded the same opportunities I was.



Whites have been oppressed for 24 years....we do understand.


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Look, I agree, one cannot do anything about being born white, and I don't think we need to feel guilty about it.

But I do think it's important to acknowledge the advantages it gives us. I appreciate that there are some disadvantages to being born a pale male in South Africa, but in general, these are outweighed.


But what does this actually achieve?

It means you aren't continually banging on about how useless blacks are.

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