Re: SA Politics thread
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:20 pm
How the fok would that work for us plebs. They just take it off our fokon pay.
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The owners would have to be asked and then take the risk .Average Joe wrote:How the fok would that work for us plebs. They just take it off our fokon pay.
That's the thing .Most prefer to do the right thing and be honest. You dont want to mess with SARS. We all have experienced some kind of grief from them. In December they almost broke me. It was like they had dried out all the other tits and it was my turn to feel the pain. O suspect they were looking for money to pay their bonuses. And we think to ourselves. WTF. The ANC is so corrupt and we are feeding themAverage Joe wrote:Corporates won't take the risk.
You can be thankful you have VAT inputs. They molested me without da vaseline.Sards wrote:That's the thing .Most prefer to do the right thing and be honest. You dont want to mess with SARS. We all have experienced some kind of grief from them. In December they almost broke me. It was like they had dried out all the other tits and it was my turn to feel the pain. O suspect they were looking for money to pay their bonuses. And we think to ourselves. WTF. The ANC is so corrupt and we are feeding themAverage Joe wrote:Corporates won't take the risk.
Ours was penalties from when we first started the business and had fokol clue. Threatened to shut us down if we didn't come up with a big chunk. Now bullets were flying around and we were under heavy air attacks with silly season and that was the last thing we had on our minds. To contest that is. Especially with the threat. They literally had us by the balls. PrickssorCrer wrote:You can be thankful you have VAT inputs. They molested me without da vaseline.Sards wrote:That's the thing .Most prefer to do the right thing and be honest. You dont want to mess with SARS. We all have experienced some kind of grief from them. In December they almost broke me. It was like they had dried out all the other tits and it was my turn to feel the pain. O suspect they were looking for money to pay their bonuses. And we think to ourselves. WTF. The ANC is so corrupt and we are feeding themAverage Joe wrote:Corporates won't take the risk.
They can't threaten to shut you down. They will debit the money straight off your account without asking.Sards wrote:Ours was penalties from when we first started the business and had fokol clue. Threatened to shut us down if we didn't come up with a big chunk. Now bullets were flying around and we were under heavy air attacks with silly season and that was the last thing we had on our minds. To contest that is. Especially with the threat. They literally had us by the balls. PrickssorCrer wrote:You can be thankful you have VAT inputs. They molested me without da vaseline.Sards wrote:That's the thing .Most prefer to do the right thing and be honest. You dont want to mess with SARS. We all have experienced some kind of grief from them. In December they almost broke me. It was like they had dried out all the other tits and it was my turn to feel the pain. O suspect they were looking for money to pay their bonuses. And we think to ourselves. WTF. The ANC is so corrupt and we are feeding themAverage Joe wrote:Corporates won't take the risk.
The economy would feel it first. In a tax boycott normally you would still pay tax but have it collected by a non-government trusted body. The idea being that the taxes are paid over once the issue is resolved.Bloutoria wrote:What would happen if everyone take an unpaid leave day on a specific day. Sure they will feel it.
It's the same thing. I am sure the bastards have a link in to when you get a Retirement annuity payout. A small one my mother had taken out for me matured. It was heartbreaking to see the money come in and disappear the next day. Next thing they were looking at our company.sorCrer wrote:They can't threaten to shut you down. They will debit the money straight off your account without asking.Sards wrote:Ours was penalties from when we first started the business and had fokol clue. Threatened to shut us down if we didn't come up with a big chunk. Now bullets were flying around and we were under heavy air attacks with silly season and that was the last thing we had on our minds. To contest that is. Especially with the threat. They literally had us by the balls. PrickssorCrer wrote:You can be thankful you have VAT inputs. They molested me without da vaseline.Sards wrote:That's the thing .Most prefer to do the right thing and be honest. You dont want to mess with SARS. We all have experienced some kind of grief from them. In December they almost broke me. It was like they had dried out all the other tits and it was my turn to feel the pain. O suspect they were looking for money to pay their bonuses. And we think to ourselves. WTF. The ANC is so corrupt and we are feeding themAverage Joe wrote:Corporates won't take the risk.
Care to elaborate on you position? Flipping of his election base?Killface wrote:http://politicsweb.co.za/documents/we-b ... age--mmusi
Constantly flipping off your base. Bold move.
Mmusi the pussy is the Theresa May of SA politics.
Will the DA merge into the ANC, NNP style after they face plant in May?
I guess when our Gini coefficient evens out.backrow wrote:hey saffas - when will BEE end ? never ?
or is there in theory some date in the future when blacks will no longer be oppressed and suffering by the Evil Honky ?
apartheid was in for what, 40 years, so surely BEE is halfway through by now ?
That’s what he thinks. The reality is that the base won’t flip, it will disperse.DraadkarD wrote:Care to elaborate on you position? Flipping of his election base?Killface wrote:http://politicsweb.co.za/documents/we-b ... age--mmusi
Constantly flipping off your base. Bold move.
Mmusi the pussy is the Theresa May of SA politics.
Will the DA merge into the ANC, NNP style after they face plant in May?
https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/south- ... I.POV.GINIDraadkarD wrote:I guess when our Gini coefficient evens out.backrow wrote:hey saffas - when will BEE end ? never ?
or is there in theory some date in the future when blacks will no longer be oppressed and suffering by the Evil Honky ?
apartheid was in for what, 40 years, so surely BEE is halfway through by now ?
The point is that the DA has a choice: either stay as a minority party looking after the narrow interests of the whites, or look to appeal to other sections of the population.DraadkarD wrote:Care to elaborate on you position? Flipping of his election base?Killface wrote:http://politicsweb.co.za/documents/we-b ... age--mmusi
Constantly flipping off your base. Bold move.
Mmusi the pussy is the Theresa May of SA politics.
Will the DA merge into the ANC, NNP style after they face plant in May?
It won't end. It's a good distraction from rampant corruption and nepotism that inflicts almost every country in Africa.backrow wrote:hey saffas - when will BEE end ? never ?
or is there in theory some date in the future when blacks will no longer be oppressed and suffering by the Evil Honky ?
apartheid was in for what, 40 years, so surely BEE is halfway through by now ?
Look, I am feel that it's unfair to use race as a criteria for employment policy, however, South Africa is different. Apartheid had a significant impact on socio-economic circumstances of especially black families in the country. Do you think it is fair to start on a blank slate and just say: "okay guys we are all equal now, so no excuses for being prosperous"?Killface wrote:
When will “redress policies” end?
I don't see it that way. I know they are loosing Afriform fluffers, but in a conservative city like Bloemfontein, people still will vote DA due to issues like service delivery, red tape and economic development are more important than supporting some transformation policies.Rinkals wrote: The point is that the DA has a choice: either stay as a minority party looking after the narrow interests of the whites, or look to appeal to other sections of the population.
You reckon companies can get away with employing whites...please explain how so that when the next inspection takes place I can justify it.DraadkarD wrote:Look, I am feel that it's unfair to use race as a criteria for employment policy, however, South Africa is different. Apartheid had a significant impact on socio-economic circumstances of especially black families in the country. Do you think it is fair to start on a blank slate and just say: "okay guys we are all equal now, so no excuses for being prosperous"?Killface wrote:
When will “redress policies” end?
The thing that enraged me the most is that the ANC government has wasted billions in corruption and wasteful expenditure, and tend to blame economic issues on a staunch Capitalist like me. However, if the DA says that it supports policy to see that we can ensure that equality is reach, I don't see how anyone can have a problem. The true injustice will be if racial BEE policies are imposed in a society where there is no racism in company employment, and I can ensure you that there are still a lot of white owned companies that employ lesser qualified whites in place of a better qualified "BEE" candidate. End that, and you end BEE policy.
Sards, it's not compulsory to be BEE compliant.Sards wrote:You reckon companies can get away with employing whites...please explain how so that when the next inspection takes place I can justify it.DraadkarD wrote:Look, I am feel that it's unfair to use race as a criteria for employment policy, however, South Africa is different. Apartheid had a significant impact on socio-economic circumstances of especially black families in the country. Do you think it is fair to start on a blank slate and just say: "okay guys we are all equal now, so no excuses for being prosperous"?Killface wrote:
When will “redress policies” end?
The thing that enraged me the most is that the ANC government has wasted billions in corruption and wasteful expenditure, and tend to blame economic issues on a staunch Capitalist like me. However, if the DA says that it supports policy to see that we can ensure that equality is reach, I don't see how anyone can have a problem. The true injustice will be if racial BEE policies are imposed in a society where there is no racism in company employment, and I can ensure you that there are still a lot of white owned companies that employ lesser qualified whites in place of a better qualified "BEE" candidate. End that, and you end BEE policy.
I'm saying that they need to appeal to beyond their base if they want to challenge the ANC.DraadkarD wrote:I don't see it that way. I know they are loosing Afriform fluffers, but in a conservative city like Bloemfontein, people still will vote DA due to issues like service delivery, red tape and economic development are more important than supporting some transformation policies.Rinkals wrote: The point is that the DA has a choice: either stay as a minority party looking after the narrow interests of the whites, or look to appeal to other sections of the population.
Sards, I'm just talking out of certain cases I observed in Bloemfontien and Pretoria. People see BEE just as a target, and not as way to diversify the workforce and actually getting new fresh expertise in. Admin department are usually the slowest to transform in certain companies.Sards wrote:You reckon companies can get away with employing whites...please explain how so that when the next inspection takes place I can justify it.DraadkarD wrote:Look, I am feel that it's unfair to use race as a criteria for employment policy, however, South Africa is different. Apartheid had a significant impact on socio-economic circumstances of especially black families in the country. Do you think it is fair to start on a blank slate and just say: "okay guys we are all equal now, so no excuses for being prosperous"?Killface wrote:
When will “redress policies” end?
The thing that enraged me the most is that the ANC government has wasted billions in corruption and wasteful expenditure, and tend to blame economic issues on a staunch Capitalist like me. However, if the DA says that it supports policy to see that we can ensure that equality is reach, I don't see how anyone can have a problem. The true injustice will be if racial BEE policies are imposed in a society where there is no racism in company employment, and I can ensure you that there are still a lot of white owned companies that employ lesser qualified whites in place of a better qualified "BEE" candidate. End that, and you end BEE policy.
We are very strictly monitored.DraadkarD wrote:Sards, I'm just talking out of certain cases I observed in Bloemfontien and Pretoria. People see BEE just as a target, and not as way to diversify the workforce and actually getting new fresh expertise in. Admin department are usually the slowest to transform in certain companies.Sards wrote:You reckon companies can get away with employing whites...please explain how so that when the next inspection takes place I can justify it.DraadkarD wrote:Look, I am feel that it's unfair to use race as a criteria for employment policy, however, South Africa is different. Apartheid had a significant impact on socio-economic circumstances of especially black families in the country. Do you think it is fair to start on a blank slate and just say: "okay guys we are all equal now, so no excuses for being prosperous"?Killface wrote:
When will “redress policies” end?
The thing that enraged me the most is that the ANC government has wasted billions in corruption and wasteful expenditure, and tend to blame economic issues on a staunch Capitalist like me. However, if the DA says that it supports policy to see that we can ensure that equality is reach, I don't see how anyone can have a problem. The true injustice will be if racial BEE policies are imposed in a society where there is no racism in company employment, and I can ensure you that there are still a lot of white owned companies that employ lesser qualified whites in place of a better qualified "BEE" candidate. End that, and you end BEE policy.
Ok. We've changed direction again.handyman wrote:What a lot of companies is struggling with imo: It's tough enough to be profitable. Being profitable with a workforce that is not as efficient as possible is looking for trouble.
People in general aren't as hard working as a few years ago.
What what what...are you fu cked in the head.......Rinkals wrote:
Anyway, bottom line is that BEE is mostly a shambles and has been poorly implemented, but some measures surely need to be in place to counter the dominance of whites in business.
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Freestate has always had a lot of vote splitting between FF+ and DA. In a national election the ANC always wins, so voting for an opposition party is purely a choice based on principles. The DA are now running on a BEE ticket, something that is a failure. When nearly the entire DA was built on opposing BEE, which is the position that made it the official opposition.DraadkarD wrote:I don't see it that way. I know they are loosing Afriform fluffers, but in a conservative city like Bloemfontein, people still will vote DA due to issues like service delivery, red tape and economic development are more important than supporting some transformation policies.
I have long decided that the DA has completely lost the plot and like very much the way that Cope is becoming a very diversified and sensible party.ox wagon wrote:Freestate has always had a lot of vote splitting between FF+ and DA. In a national election the ANC always wins, so voting for an opposition party is purely a choice based on principles. The DA are now running on a BEE ticket, something that is a failure. When nearly the entire DA was built on opposing BEE, which is the position that made it the official opposition.DraadkarD wrote:I don't see it that way. I know they are loosing Afriform fluffers, but in a conservative city like Bloemfontein, people still will vote DA due to issues like service delivery, red tape and economic development are more important than supporting some transformation policies.
The DA are going to get hammered this election. If you quite like BEE and racial discrimination against minorities, you can pick other parties that do it better. If you don't like that, you're at a minimum going to be thinking about not voting for them. The DA position doesn't make sense, if they don't sort themselves out soon the ANC will be the least of their worries.
The most interesting thing about this election is if and how much the DA lose. Maybe the second most interesting thing is how much and if the EFF and FF+ gain.
This will be the first election in which I will not be voting for the DA in it's various guises.Sards wrote:I have long decided that the DA has completely lost the plot and like very much the way that Cope is becoming a very diversified and sensible party.ox wagon wrote:Freestate has always had a lot of vote splitting between FF+ and DA. In a national election the ANC always wins, so voting for an opposition party is purely a choice based on principles. The DA are now running on a BEE ticket, something that is a failure. When nearly the entire DA was built on opposing BEE, which is the position that made it the official opposition.DraadkarD wrote:I don't see it that way. I know they are loosing Afriform fluffers, but in a conservative city like Bloemfontein, people still will vote DA due to issues like service delivery, red tape and economic development are more important than supporting some transformation policies.
The DA are going to get hammered this election. If you quite like BEE and racial discrimination against minorities, you can pick other parties that do it better. If you don't like that, you're at a minimum going to be thinking about not voting for them. The DA position doesn't make sense, if they don't sort themselves out soon the ANC will be the least of their worries.
The most interesting thing about this election is if and how much the DA lose. Maybe the second most interesting thing is how much and if the EFF and FF+ gain.
What on earth are you talking about?Sards wrote:What what what...are you fu cked in the head.......Rinkals wrote:
Anyway, bottom line is that BEE is mostly a shambles and has been poorly implemented, but some measures surely need to be in place to counter the dominance of whites in business.
.
Why should one demographic be punished for having a dominant nature....dude you need to rethink your attitude.
Surely what you mean to say is that the free ( in terms of the recipients but not in terms of the taxpayers ) education should address the issue in its natural course.
Apart from the fact the leader of Cope was in cabinet when all the BEE policies, cadre deployment, etc were made and put into force in the late 90s and early 00s. The outcome of which we've seen fully decades after.Sards wrote:I have long decided that the DA has completely lost the plot and like very much the way that Cope is becoming a very diversified and sensible party.
Dude....you need to rethink your logic....What you are saying is that if one demographic has the ability to rise above another demographic to create employment they need to be suppressed and another demographic allowed to take over even though they are not driven or as capable as the more dominant demographic....that is fu cking insanity son.....Rinkals wrote:What on earth are you talking about?Sards wrote:What what what...are you fu cked in the head.......Rinkals wrote:
Anyway, bottom line is that BEE is mostly a shambles and has been poorly implemented, but some measures surely need to be in place to counter the dominance of whites in business.
.
Why should one demographic be punished for having a dominant nature....dude you need to rethink your attitude.
Surely what you mean to say is that the free ( in terms of the recipients but not in terms of the taxpayers ) education should address the issue in its natural course.
Who mentioned free education? I was alluding to the fact that the white education structures consumed the bulk of resources (certainly per capita) and the black education structures were inferior, and this only in passing to suggest that BEE twenty years ago would have been more of a problem to implement twenty years ago. It has very little to do with my argument.
Surely you can see that it's not beneficial to have the economic power of the country concentrated in white hands?
On free tertiary education, I would like to see Primary and Secondary education improved to the point where tertiary students aren't completely out of their depth first.
He has worked friggin hard and is making all the right noises and his policies are fair for all. He has also gone about installing representatives based on acumen rather than racist policies. I am very impressed with how he has taken a flailing ship and made it attractive to voters. His drive and passion deserves the reward it reaps....the DA is lost .......ox wagon wrote:Apart from the fact the leader of Cope was in cabinet when all the BEE policies, cadre deployment, etc were made and put into force in the late 90s and early 00s. The outcome of which we've seen fully decades after.Sards wrote:I have long decided that the DA has completely lost the plot and like very much the way that Cope is becoming a very diversified and sensible party.
Lekota is a cunning operator. He knew Cope were almost dead, he also knew the DA were struggling. So he made some speeches opposing the ANC more strongly than the DA. And now he's certain to be returned back to parliament, and continue his ride on the gravy train collecting a salary. If he hadn't of done that, Cope may have gone extinct and his salary along with it.
Yes, Cope have probably done it the right way, originating from the struggle side rather than being derived from what are perceived (by the black population) as part of the Apartheid. (You and I know that the DA are descended from the PFP and Helen Suzman, but the average voter doesn't see it that way, particularly when they have been joined by former Nats, a point that the ANC has not been shy to push).Sards wrote:I have long decided that the DA has completely lost the plot and like very much the way that Cope is becoming a very diversified and sensible party.ox wagon wrote:Freestate has always had a lot of vote splitting between FF+ and DA. In a national election the ANC always wins, so voting for an opposition party is purely a choice based on principles. The DA are now running on a BEE ticket, something that is a failure. When nearly the entire DA was built on opposing BEE, which is the position that made it the official opposition.DraadkarD wrote:I don't see it that way. I know they are loosing Afriform fluffers, but in a conservative city like Bloemfontein, people still will vote DA due to issues like service delivery, red tape and economic development are more important than supporting some transformation policies.
The DA are going to get hammered this election. If you quite like BEE and racial discrimination against minorities, you can pick other parties that do it better. If you don't like that, you're at a minimum going to be thinking about not voting for them. The DA position doesn't make sense, if they don't sort themselves out soon the ANC will be the least of their worries.
The most interesting thing about this election is if and how much the DA lose. Maybe the second most interesting thing is how much and if the EFF and FF+ gain.
What?Sards wrote:Dude....you need to rethink your logic....What you are saying is that if one demographic has the ability to rise above another demographic to create employment they need to be suppressed and another demographic allowed to take over even though they are not driven or as capable as the more dominant demographic....that is fu cking insanity son.....Rinkals wrote:What on earth are you talking about?Sards wrote:What what what...are you fu cked in the head.......Rinkals wrote:
Anyway, bottom line is that BEE is mostly a shambles and has been poorly implemented, but some measures surely need to be in place to counter the dominance of whites in business.
.
Why should one demographic be punished for having a dominant nature....dude you need to rethink your attitude.
Surely what you mean to say is that the free ( in terms of the recipients but not in terms of the taxpayers ) education should address the issue in its natural course.
Who mentioned free education? I was alluding to the fact that the white education structures consumed the bulk of resources (certainly per capita) and the black education structures were inferior, and this only in passing to suggest that BEE twenty years ago would have been more of a problem to implement twenty years ago. It has very little to do with my argument.
Surely you can see that it's not beneficial to have the economic power of the country concentrated in white hands?
On free tertiary education, I would like to see Primary and Secondary education improved to the point where tertiary students aren't completely out of their depth first.
?Rinkals wrote:What?Sards wrote:Rinkals wrote:
but some measures surely need to be in place to counter the dominance of whites in business.
Dude....you need to rethink your logic....What you are saying is that if one demographic has the ability to rise above another demographic to create employment they need to be suppressed and another demographic allowed to take over even though they are not driven or as capable as the more dominant demographic....that is fu cking insanity son.....
That's not what I'm saying at all.