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This move must make the school kids feel a lot more safe.

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US AR-15 maker Colt will stop producing the firearm for civilians because there are so many

Colt, a US firearms company that traces its history to the 1830s, announced it would suspend the production of rifles for the civilian market - including the AR-15, a weapon infamous for its popularity among the country's mass shooters.

There are already so many of the weapons in the country that the market is saturated, the manufacturer's president said in a statement, and executives decided "it is good sense to follow consumer demand."

"Given this level of manufacturing capacity, we believe there is adequate supply for modern sporting rifles for the foreseeable future," Dennis Veilleux said, adding that the pivot isn't permanent.

The announcement comes at the tail end of a summer bookended by mass shootings in Virginia Beach, Virginia; El Paso, Texas; Dayton, Ohio; and Odessa, Texas and as Democratic candidates for president have ratcheted up rhetoric on gun control.....



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That their competition has undercut the fuck out of them might also have something to do with it.


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This move must make the school kids feel a lot more safe.

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https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/ ... re-so-many

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US AR-15 maker Colt will stop producing the firearm for civilians because there are so many

Colt, a US firearms company that traces its history to the 1830s, announced it would suspend the production of rifles for the civilian market - including the AR-15, a weapon infamous for its popularity among the country's mass shooters.

There are already so many of the weapons in the country that the market is saturated, the manufacturer's president said in a statement, and executives decided "it is good sense to follow consumer demand."

"Given this level of manufacturing capacity, we believe there is adequate supply for modern sporting rifles for the foreseeable future," Dennis Veilleux said, adding that the pivot isn't permanent.

The announcement comes at the tail end of a summer bookended by mass shootings in Virginia Beach, Virginia; El Paso, Texas; Dayton, Ohio; and Odessa, Texas and as Democratic candidates for president have ratcheted up rhetoric on gun control.....



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What fuckin sport is that?


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:24 am 
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That their competition has undercut the fuck out of them might also have something to do with it.


Yep


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:24 am 
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Rinkals wrote:
Dark wrote:
This move must make the school kids feel a lot more safe.

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https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/ ... re-so-many

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US AR-15 maker Colt will stop producing the firearm for civilians because there are so many

Colt, a US firearms company that traces its history to the 1830s, announced it would suspend the production of rifles for the civilian market - including the AR-15, a weapon infamous for its popularity among the country's mass shooters.

There are already so many of the weapons in the country that the market is saturated, the manufacturer's president said in a statement, and executives decided "it is good sense to follow consumer demand."

"Given this level of manufacturing capacity, we believe there is adequate supply for modern sporting rifles for the foreseeable future," Dennis Veilleux said, adding that the pivot isn't permanent.

The announcement comes at the tail end of a summer bookended by mass shootings in Virginia Beach, Virginia; El Paso, Texas; Dayton, Ohio; and Odessa, Texas and as Democratic candidates for president have ratcheted up rhetoric on gun control.....



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What fuckin sport is that?

Human sport.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:24 am 
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Plastic Sarrie wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Dark wrote:
This move must make the school kids feel a lot more safe.

:(

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/ ... re-so-many

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US AR-15 maker Colt will stop producing the firearm for civilians because there are so many

Colt, a US firearms company that traces its history to the 1830s, announced it would suspend the production of rifles for the civilian market - including the AR-15, a weapon infamous for its popularity among the country's mass shooters.

There are already so many of the weapons in the country that the market is saturated, the manufacturer's president said in a statement, and executives decided "it is good sense to follow consumer demand."

"Given this level of manufacturing capacity, we believe there is adequate supply for modern sporting rifles for the foreseeable future," Dennis Veilleux said, adding that the pivot isn't permanent.

The announcement comes at the tail end of a summer bookended by mass shootings in Virginia Beach, Virginia; El Paso, Texas; Dayton, Ohio; and Odessa, Texas and as Democratic candidates for president have ratcheted up rhetoric on gun control.....



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What fuckin sport is that?

Human sport.


Running Man, Hunger Games?


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:36 am 
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Rinkals wrote:
Dark wrote:
This move must make the school kids feel a lot more safe.

:(

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/ ... re-so-many

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US AR-15 maker Colt will stop producing the firearm for civilians because there are so many

Colt, a US firearms company that traces its history to the 1830s, announced it would suspend the production of rifles for the civilian market - including the AR-15, a weapon infamous for its popularity among the country's mass shooters.

There are already so many of the weapons in the country that the market is saturated, the manufacturer's president said in a statement, and executives decided "it is good sense to follow consumer demand."

"Given this level of manufacturing capacity, we believe there is adequate supply for modern sporting rifles for the foreseeable future," Dennis Veilleux said, adding that the pivot isn't permanent.

The announcement comes at the tail end of a summer bookended by mass shootings in Virginia Beach, Virginia; El Paso, Texas; Dayton, Ohio; and Odessa, Texas and as Democratic candidates for president have ratcheted up rhetoric on gun control.....



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What fuckin sport is that?
The sport of marketing a military style weapon as anything but.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:10 am 
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BokJock wrote:
Plastic Sarrie wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Dark wrote:
This move must make the school kids feel a lot more safe.

:(

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/ ... re-so-many

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US AR-15 maker Colt will stop producing the firearm for civilians because there are so many

Colt, a US firearms company that traces its history to the 1830s, announced it would suspend the production of rifles for the civilian market - including the AR-15, a weapon infamous for its popularity among the country's mass shooters.

There are already so many of the weapons in the country that the market is saturated, the manufacturer's president said in a statement, and executives decided "it is good sense to follow consumer demand."

"Given this level of manufacturing capacity, we believe there is adequate supply for modern sporting rifles for the foreseeable future," Dennis Veilleux said, adding that the pivot isn't permanent.

The announcement comes at the tail end of a summer bookended by mass shootings in Virginia Beach, Virginia; El Paso, Texas; Dayton, Ohio; and Odessa, Texas and as Democratic candidates for president have ratcheted up rhetoric on gun control.....



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What fuckin sport is that?

Human sport.


Running Man, Hunger Games?



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This doesn't mean much. The patent for the AR-15 has expired, so the design is in the public domain and there are a shit ton of companies that make AR-15 based guns - apparently about 500.


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This doesn't mean much. The patent for the AR-15 has expired, so the design is in the public domain and there are a shit ton of companies that make AR-15 based guns - apparently about 500.



Was thinking earlier a decent PR team would have done the whole bullshit, "Stopping it due to social responsibility" route to get some feel good, a shed load would fall for, rather than the truth route.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:57 am 
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Dark wrote:
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This doesn't mean much. The patent for the AR-15 has expired, so the design is in the public domain and there are a shit ton of companies that make AR-15 based guns - apparently about 500.



Was thinking earlier a decent PR team would have done the whole bullshit, "Stopping it due to social responsibility" route to get some feel good, a shed load would fall for, rather than the truth route.


That could possibly count against them with the people who actually buy guns, though?


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sockwithaticket wrote:
Dark wrote:
deadduck wrote:
This doesn't mean much. The patent for the AR-15 has expired, so the design is in the public domain and there are a shit ton of companies that make AR-15 based guns - apparently about 500.



Was thinking earlier a decent PR team would have done the whole bullshit, "Stopping it due to social responsibility" route to get some feel good, a shed load would fall for, rather than the truth route.


That could possibly count against them with the people who actually buy guns, though?



Fair call, but I was thinking the positive PR from it in social media to pretend to listen to the anti NRA types would out weigh the negative they would get from the gun lovers.

One of those future "Look. We did this 3 years ago. Evidence we appreciate our responsibilities" type bollocks


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sockwithaticket wrote:
Dark wrote:
deadduck wrote:
This doesn't mean much. The patent for the AR-15 has expired, so the design is in the public domain and there are a shit ton of companies that make AR-15 based guns - apparently about 500.



Was thinking earlier a decent PR team would have done the whole bullshit, "Stopping it due to social responsibility" route to get some feel good, a shed load would fall for, rather than the truth route.


That could possibly count against them with the people who actually buy guns, though?


Will those people be brand loyal to Colt, or just go for a cheaper imitation? No idea myself.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:29 am 
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Nolanator wrote:
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Dark wrote:
deadduck wrote:
This doesn't mean much. The patent for the AR-15 has expired, so the design is in the public domain and there are a shit ton of companies that make AR-15 based guns - apparently about 500.



Was thinking earlier a decent PR team would have done the whole bullshit, "Stopping it due to social responsibility" route to get some feel good, a shed load would fall for, rather than the truth route.


That could possibly count against them with the people who actually buy guns, though?


Will those people be brand loyal to Colt, or just go for a cheaper imitation? No idea myself.


As long as it has a tactical rail, and the Gub'mint can't take them, they aren't fussed


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Nolanator wrote:
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Dark wrote:
deadduck wrote:
This doesn't mean much. The patent for the AR-15 has expired, so the design is in the public domain and there are a shit ton of companies that make AR-15 based guns - apparently about 500.



Was thinking earlier a decent PR team would have done the whole bullshit, "Stopping it due to social responsibility" route to get some feel good, a shed load would fall for, rather than the truth route.


That could possibly count against them with the people who actually buy guns, though?


Will those people be brand loyal to Colt, or just go for a cheaper imitation? No idea myself.


I doubt they'd be particularly brand loyal, but I imagine any gun manufacturer who even paid so much as lip service to dropping something ostensibly in response to pressure form pro-regulation campaigning or due to some sense of social responsibility would be hammered by conservative press and social media.


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sockwithaticket wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
sockwithaticket wrote:
Dark wrote:
deadduck wrote:
This doesn't mean much. The patent for the AR-15 has expired, so the design is in the public domain and there are a shit ton of companies that make AR-15 based guns - apparently about 500.



Was thinking earlier a decent PR team would have done the whole bullshit, "Stopping it due to social responsibility" route to get some feel good, a shed load would fall for, rather than the truth route.


That could possibly count against them with the people who actually buy guns, though?


Will those people be brand loyal to Colt, or just go for a cheaper imitation? No idea myself.


I doubt they'd be particularly brand loyal, but I imagine any gun manufacturer who even paid so much as lip service to dropping something ostensibly in response to pressure form pro-regulation campaigning or due to some sense of social responsibility would be hammered by conservative press and social media.


Yeah, but they are not a political party.

The moaners would still vote republican and they might push some middles to vote republican.

Kind of win in voters picking party beats hassle from a minority getting annoyed about it but still voting the same way


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:19 pm 
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Rinkals wrote:
Dark wrote:
This move must make the school kids feel a lot more safe.

:(

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/ ... re-so-many

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US AR-15 maker Colt will stop producing the firearm for civilians because there are so many

Colt, a US firearms company that traces its history to the 1830s, announced it would suspend the production of rifles for the civilian market - including the AR-15, a weapon infamous for its popularity among the country's mass shooters.

There are already so many of the weapons in the country that the market is saturated, the manufacturer's president said in a statement, and executives decided "it is good sense to follow consumer demand."

"Given this level of manufacturing capacity, we believe there is adequate supply for modern sporting rifles for the foreseeable future," Dennis Veilleux said, adding that the pivot isn't permanent.

The announcement comes at the tail end of a summer bookended by mass shootings in Virginia Beach, Virginia; El Paso, Texas; Dayton, Ohio; and Odessa, Texas and as Democratic candidates for president have ratcheted up rhetoric on gun control.....



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What fuckin sport is that?

Shooting cans.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:14 pm 
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Dark wrote:
deadduck wrote:
This doesn't mean much. The patent for the AR-15 has expired, so the design is in the public domain and there are a shit ton of companies that make AR-15 based guns - apparently about 500.



Was thinking earlier a decent PR team would have done the whole bullshit, "Stopping it due to social responsibility" route to get some feel good, a shed load would fall for, rather than the truth route.



What??? And give every lawyer in the States evidence that you made a socially irresponsible weapon?

Got deep pockets?


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Turns out that maybe the whole shit-show is about to come down on them anyway with the supreme court siding with the Sandy Hook parents in the latest round of their action against Remington

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U.S. Supreme Court will not shield gun maker from Sandy Hook lawsuit

The people who sell the weapon of choice for mass killers are going to have to reveal exactly how they peddle their message that wielding a weapon designed for military combat makes sense for ordinary civilians.

That's good news for all Americans. The mothers and fathers of the children slaughtered at Sandy Hook Elementary School, through their lawsuit against Remington Arms over the sale and marketing of AR-15 assault rifles, may succeed in bringing a sorely needed measure of accountability to the firearms industry.

The US Supreme Court on Tuesday passed on taking up Remington's appeal of a Connecticut Supreme Court decision that cleared the way for the Sandy Hook families to continue their suit against Remington, the manufacturer of the Bushmaster used in the slaying on December 14, 2012.


It was the right decision, and it sets the stage for a critical phase in the struggle against the NRA and the gun industry.

The AR-15 and its variants, the massively popular civilian version of the M-16 military assault rifle, have become "America's rifle," according to the National Rifle Association.

They have also become the weapons of choice in mass murders - including the 2018 Parkville shooting (17 dead), the 2017 Sutherland Springs church shooting (26 dead), the 2017 Las Vegas shooting (58 dead, hundreds injured), the 2015 San Bernardino attack (14 dead), and, of course, the 2012 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Up until now, because of a 2005 federal law, the gun manufacturing industry has not been held accountable for its role in manufacturing, selling and marketing these weapons to those who would use them to kill. But the Sandy Hook families are seeking to change that.

They are seeking information about Remington's marketing strategy for the Bushmaster AR-15.

The question is whether gun manufacturers such as Remington actively marketed assault weapons such as the AR-15 "to civilians for criminal purposes" in violation of the state's consumer protection laws, Connecticut Supreme Court Justice Richard Palmer wrote in the March decision.

"We also conclude that Congress has not clearly manifested an intent to extinguish the traditional authority of our legislature and our courts to protect the people of Connecticut from the pernicious practices alleged in the present case.

"The regulation of advertising that threatens the public's health, safety, and morals has long been considered a core exercise of the states' police powers," Justice Palmer wrote.

Remington appealed to the US Supreme Court. The court on Tuesday announced that it would not overturn the decision, despite urging from the NRA, 22 members of the US House of Representatives and 10 states.

Now, Remington's secret marketing strategy could be subject to subpoena in the lawsuit in Connecticut courts as the process of discovery in the case moves forward. The decision paves the way for other states to use the same strategy, based on their own consumer protection laws.

"The M.O. of any big industry is to reveal as little as possible," Josh Koskoff, a lawyer for the families, said.

"But in many ways the goal of this lawsuit is to shed light on those documents so the families can see how the gun used in this shooting was marketed, so we will do everything we can to insure that this is a transparent process."

As the case moves forward, the courts may succeed in doing what Congress has been unable to - stop or slow the spread of weapons that should be off the streets.

Those who disagree with the ruling lean on the Second Amendment, but the AR-15 is different from other rifles used for target shooting, hunting or legitimate recreational purposes. It is capable of rapid fire and destruction on a far greater scale. Such weapons do not belong in civilian hands.

The tobacco companies settled lawsuits after the truth of how they were marketing cigarettes came to light. Purdue Pharma is being held responsible for marketing Oxycontin when it knew the drug's dangers. Now Remington is going to have to answer for its tactics as well.

This is an important step toward meaningful reform of a gun industry that for too long has been able to evade responsibility for its role in some of this nation's saddest chapters.

- This editorial was published by The Hartford Courant


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:41 pm 
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Colt is run by idiots. They can't get anything right. For years they sold AR-15s with sear blocks and oversized pins. Then when they changed to properly sized pins, their prices were too high.

In any event, it is easier and cheaper to assemble an AR-15 from parts.

At one time Colt entered into a joint venture with Ceska Zbrojovka, the Czech firearms maker. CZ makes a line of superb weapons, but Colt still found a way to mess up


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Won’t lie, this is not the first internet link with Bushmaster in that I’ve seen


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This doesn't mean much. The patent for the AR-15 has expired, so the design is in the public domain and there are a shit ton of companies that make AR-15 based guns - apparently about 500.



Was thinking earlier a decent PR team would have done the whole bullshit, "Stopping it due to social responsibility" route to get some feel good, a shed load would fall for, rather than the truth route.

The gun lobby would lose their shit if any manufacturer came out with that


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