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How would/will you vote in a referendum?
Keep the law as it stands. 20%  20%  [ 32 ]
Repeal the 8th. 80%  80%  [ 125 ]
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 Post subject: Repealing the 8th
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It seems like only a matter of time before there will be another referendum on Ireland's most contentious issue and biggest political hot potato.
Although the various sections of society will probably have different opinions based on different circumstances from rape, incest, FFA, health of mother (physical and mental) all the way to complete freedom of choice, I'm guessing that it will be a yes or no question, at least to begin with and depending on the first answer.

Are you decided?


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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Piss off you tool.


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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Piss off you tool.


Shush, this is for grown ups only.


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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I have had two relations like friends pictures from the march today with one saying 'I'd like this government to be aborted ' and 'if I wanted the government in my womb I'd fûck a TD'. Because everybody is saying they are great girls I am going to vote no.


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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I have had two relations like friends pictures from the march today with one saying 'I'd like this government to be aborted ' and 'if I wanted the government in my womb I'd fûck a TD'. Because everybody is saying they are great girls I am going to vote no.


I'm not sure that the government would offer choice in that circumstance either.


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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I'm old enough to have campaigned and voted against it first time round, on the grounds that lawyers and medicine is not a good mix. Let lawyers play at parsing laws, and let doctors decide patients treatment.


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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I'd be for bringing back the latin mass myself.


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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Join the 20th century any time lads.


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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Listen Laurent we are not going around impregnating our mistresses night and day like you French lads. The only people who support abortion in Ireland are lesbian feminists and they don't even have a dog in the fight


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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While the 8th amendment is a mess, someone needs to tell me what we're going to replace it with, before I'd agree to repeal it.....

Ireland seems awash with easy answers these days:

Repeal the 8th
Spend more money
Tax the rich
Take the apple windfall
New Cath labs for everyone
Put the wind farms and pylons somewhere else

The more simplistic the slogan the more likely the proponents haven't a fooking clue what they are talking about.


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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rfurlong wrote:
While the 8th amendment is a mess, someone needs to tell me what we're going to replace it with, before I'd agree to repeal it.....

Ireland seems awash with easy answers these days:

Repeal the 8th
Spend more money
Tax the rich
Take the apple windfall
New Cath labs for everyone
Put the wind farms and pylons somewhere else

The more simplistic the slogan the more likely the proponents haven't a fooking clue what they are talking about.


Our very own Corbynites.


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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No Gavin Henson option? Not in the least bit interested tbh.


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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rfurlong wrote:
While the 8th amendment is a mess, someone needs to tell me what we're going to replace it with, before I'd agree to repeal it.....

Ireland seems awash with easy answers these days:

Repeal the 8th
Spend more money
Tax the rich
Take the apple windfall
New Cath labs for everyone
Put the wind farms and pylons somewhere else

The more simplistic the slogan the more likely the proponents haven't a fooking clue what they are talking about.


What the fudge :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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rfurlong wrote:
While the 8th amendment is a mess, someone needs to tell me what we're going to replace it with, before I'd agree to repeal it.....



From what I understand repealing the 8th just allows lawmakers to make the laws without holding a referendum each time.
Particularly when a woman's life is at risk, holding a referendum is not ideal time wise.

I think that it's fair to say that most reasonably minded, non brainwashed people would accept that there are circumstances where it is morally wrong for a woman to be denied a termination.

The worry would be that these reasonable people would still vote no on the grounds that it would "open the flood gates" to unlimited abortion rights.


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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For those of us not able to keep up with the speed of Irish politics (and I mean that, we still havent let the gays marry here), what is the eighth and what will repealing it do?

Before I get on my high horse I like to know these things.


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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The State acknowledges the right to life of the unborn and, with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother, guarantees in its laws to respect, and, as far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate that right.


Essentially bans abortion, even when there is a high risk that the mother will die without one and despite the fact that the baby won't survive. Its existence is barbaric and the whole situation is not helped by the battle ground being made between pro choice and pro life as opposed to focusing solely on the barbaric situations which can arise (not that that hasn't been highlighted too, sadly using a real life recent case).


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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CM11 wrote:
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The State acknowledges the right to life of the unborn and, with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother, guarantees in its laws to respect, and, as far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate that right.


Essentially bans abortion, even when there is a high risk that the mother will die without one and despite the fact that the baby won't survive. Its existence is barbaric and the whole situation is not helped by the battle ground being made between pro choice and pro life as opposed to focusing solely on the barbaric situations which can arise (not that that hasn't been highlighted too, sadly using a real life recent case).

Seems open and shut.
Who is voting against repealing it and why?


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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Farva wrote:
CM11 wrote:
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The State acknowledges the right to life of the unborn and, with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother, guarantees in its laws to respect, and, as far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate that right.


Essentially bans abortion, even when there is a high risk that the mother will die without one and despite the fact that the baby won't survive. Its existence is barbaric and the whole situation is not helped by the battle ground being made between pro choice and pro life as opposed to focusing solely on the barbaric situations which can arise (not that that hasn't been highlighted too, sadly using a real life recent case).

Seems open and shut.
Who is voting against repealing it and why?

Mullet, he hates women.


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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Mullet believes that women should die to uphold some old traditions?

Mullet, is this true?


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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Farva wrote:
CM11 wrote:
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The State acknowledges the right to life of the unborn and, with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother, guarantees in its laws to respect, and, as far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate that right.


Essentially bans abortion, even when there is a high risk that the mother will die without one and despite the fact that the baby won't survive. Its existence is barbaric and the whole situation is not helped by the battle ground being made between pro choice and pro life as opposed to focusing solely on the barbaric situations which can arise (not that that hasn't been highlighted too, sadly using a real life recent case).

Seems open and shut.
Who is voting against repealing it and why?


You would think it'd be a no brainer but as said above, there will still be people who vote no to repealing it because they think they're voting for full access to abortion in Ireland. There's also people arguing that the wording of the amendment does allow for doctor's to intervene but no doctor wants to get involved in a legal discourse every time they need to make a life or death call. Essentially they need to be able to prove their opinion that the baby has no chance and the mother definitely would have died in a court of law each and every time.

But the vote hasn't actually been called yet because the establishment parties (who in a lot of regards are still far preferable to any other options) are stuck up their own arses and living in the past so don't have an overwhelming will to call the referendum. In particular our PM seems to be completely against it. :(


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While I understand that Ireland can be a conservative country at times, what is the argument against general abortion anyway?
Surely the argument that bring an unwanted child into the world when the mother / father are not in a position to raise them is not the right decision.


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Farva wrote:
While I understand that Ireland can be a conservative country at times, what is the argument against general abortion anyway?
Surely the argument that bring an unwanted child into the world when the mother / father are not in a position to raise them is not the right decision.


I'd be firmly pro choice so I agree with you. The basic argument against as far as a I can see is that some people feel that conception = birth of baby with the actual birth just being when they come out into the world so abortion is murder.


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Farva wrote:
While I understand that Ireland can be a conservative country at times, what is the argument against general abortion anyway?
Surely the argument that bring an unwanted child into the world when the mother / father are not in a position to raise them is not the right decision.


The biggest battle here almost is going to be getting the govt to actually hold a referendum. Nobody wants to touch this.

The argument against will come from the religious loons mostly.


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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Farva wrote:
While I understand that Ireland can be a conservative country at times, what is the argument against general abortion anyway?
Surely the argument that bring an unwanted child into the world when the mother / father are not in a position to raise them is not the right decision.


Logical thought process doesn't come into the equation for these ideologues, they prefer the serotonin rush of collective self-righteous indignation in their little troglodyte heads. Reasonable discourse is not an option.


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I'd be firmly pro choice .


:lol:
Having twenty kids will do that to you.


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Nolanator wrote:
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I'd be firmly pro choice .


:lol:
Having twenty kids will do that to you.

:lol: :lol:


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Nolanator wrote:
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I'd be firmly pro choice .


:lol:
Having twenty kids will do that to you.


:lol: :thumbup:


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Since I last posted 15 babies have been saved by the 8th and Stats has welcomed little Derek into the world


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EverReady wrote:
Since I last posted 15 babies have been saved by the 8th and Stats has welcomed little Derek into the world


Approx 3,500 women travelled to the UK for abortions last year, with am sure around the same number going this year, your not going be able to "save" these babies. These women, couples deserve some dignity


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Onelostbear wrote:
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Since I last posted 15 babies have been saved by the 8th and Stats has welcomed little Derek into the world

Approx 3,500 women travelled to the UK for abortions last year, with am sure around the same number going this year, your not going be able to "save" these babies. These women, couples deserve some dignity


So essentially all this does is restrict terminations to those with the determination and ability to travel for one.


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Before anybody goes all biblical about the influence of the Catholic Church let's not forget that Northern Irish women are in a similar predicament thanks to the dark age misogynistic views of the Presbyterian loons there.


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EverReady wrote:
Since I last posted 15 babies have been saved by the 8th and Stats has welcomed little Derek into the world


Has he run out of names?


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Mr. Very Popular wrote:
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Since I last posted 15 babies have been saved by the 8th and Stats has welcomed little Derek into the world


Has he run out of names?


This is his second Derek and I think he has three Maurice's.

Sefton why do all the Irish women go to Liverpool to get abortions? I'd go to somewhere hot and has shopping like Majorca. I should start a website.


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Edinburgh01 wrote:
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Since I last posted 15 babies have been saved by the 8th and Stats has welcomed little Derek into the world

Approx 3,500 women travelled to the UK for abortions last year, with am sure around the same number going this year, your not going be able to "save" these babies. These women, couples deserve some dignity


So essentially all this does is restrict terminations to those with the determination and ability to travel for one.


Basically yes. But the worst cases are those where the mother is in hospital with no ability to travel and the doctors unwilling to risk legal sanction.


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EverReady wrote:
Since I last posted 15 babies have been saved by the 8th and Stats has welcomed little Derek into the world

Are you satirising the bad guys or a bad guy? I've got my virtue signalling stick all ready but don't want to jump in too soon.

BTW I saw Brooklyn last night, I thought it was just wonderful.


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Farva wrote:
While I understand that Ireland can be a conservative country at times, what is the argument against general abortion anyway?
Surely the argument that bring an unwanted child into the world when the mother / father are not in a position to raise them is not the right decision.

The argument is we dont like killing babies


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HighKingLeinster wrote:
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While I understand that Ireland can be a conservative country at times, what is the argument against general abortion anyway?
Surely the argument that bring an unwanted child into the world when the mother / father are not in a position to raise them is not the right decision.

The argument is we dont like killing babies


No one is asking you to.


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The State acknowledges this is a Catholic country and blah blah blah


Essentially bans abortion, even when there is a high risk that the mother will die without one and despite the fact that the baby won't survive. Its existence is barbaric and the whole situation is not helped by the battle ground being made between pro choice and pro life as opposed to focusing solely on the barbaric situations which can arise (not that that hasn't been highlighted too, sadly using a real life recent case).


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CM11 wrote:
HighKingLeinster wrote:
Farva wrote:
While I understand that Ireland can be a conservative country at times, what is the argument against general abortion anyway?
Surely the argument that bring an unwanted child into the world when the mother / father are not in a position to raise them is not the right decision.

The argument is we dont like killing babies


No one is asking you to.

Assuming serious, that's a pretty pathetic argument.
Just because trained medical practitioners are carrying out the process- does not change the fact that it is still cold, calculated murder.


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CM11 wrote:
HighKingLeinster wrote:
Farva wrote:
While I understand that Ireland can be a conservative country at times, what is the argument against general abortion anyway?
Surely the argument that bring an unwanted child into the world when the mother / father are not in a position to raise them is not the right decision.

The argument is we dont like killing babies


No one is asking you to.

Assuming serious, that's a pretty pathetic argument.
Just because trained medical practitioners are carrying out the process- does not change the fact that it is still cold, calculated murder.


:lol: every sperm is sacred


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